QB Spike

[KT2000]

This didn't really fit on the other boards, so I'll put it here.

It's a really slow morning today, and in my stupor I realized how much I'm annoyed by the QB spike to stop the clock. To me, that shouldn't be allowed. Offenses should be required to either use a timeout if they have one or line up and run a legit play. The spike is intentional grounding as far as I'm concerned.

I see it as the football equivalent of being able to call a timeout when you are falling out of bounds in basketball. Equally crappy rule in my opinion that cuts the offense too much slack.

What do you think?

[Tut]

This didn't really fit on the other boards, so I'll put it here.

It's a really slow morning today, and in my stupor I realized how much I'm annoyed by the QB spike to stop the clock. To me, that shouldn't be allowed. Offenses should be required to either use a timeout if they have one or line up and run a legit play. The spike is intentional grounding as far as I'm concerned.

I see it as the football equivalent of being able to call a timeout when you are falling out of bounds in basketball. Equally crappy rule in my opinion that cuts the offense too much slack.

What do you think?

Right on both counts!!!

The qb should at least have to take a step back and throw it over a receiver's head. The way it works now is the definition of intentional grounding.

As for the basketball thing...the first time I saw it, I almost puked. How has possession been established? You should have the ball with a foot in bounds. Otherwise, it's not your ball.

[HUM398]

Right on both counts!!!

The qb should at least have to take a step back and throw it over a receiver's head. The way it works now is the definition of intentional grounding.

As for the basketball thing...the first time I saw it, I almost puked. How has possession been established? You should have the ball with a foot in bounds. Otherwise, it's not your ball.

Im not a fan of the QB spike either, i think its really stupid...if you dont have anymore timeouts the only way you should be able to stop the clock is throwing and incomplete pass or running out of bounds... To me its cheap.

[Humblefied]

This didn't really fit on the other boards, so I'll put it here.

It's a really slow morning today, and in my stupor I realized how much I'm annoyed by the QB spike to stop the clock. To me, that shouldn't be allowed. Offenses should be required to either use a timeout if they have one or line up and run a legit play. The spike is intentional grounding as far as I'm concerned.

I see it as the football equivalent of being able to call a timeout when you are falling out of bounds in basketball. Equally crappy rule in my opinion that cuts the offense too much slack.

What do you think?

don't really have an opinion on this one. I don't think it would matter if it was in there or not because then teams would throw incomplete passes on purpose, like just pick the reciever by the sideline and jack it over his head. It wouldn't matter either way.

As for the basketball thing, I don't look at as giving the offense too much slack but the guys who hustle a reason to hustle. What about the defense that slaps the ball away and runs to get it? Can't you give them so credit and reward for giving up a little of themselves.

[Favpack]

It really doesn't bother me that much. But, I do hate the fake spike deal that Marino pulled several years ago - that should be outlawed - or they should allow the d-line to jack the qb if he even thinks about a fake.

[Firebird]

I've actually never really given it much thought, just accepted it as one of the rules of the game. But yeah, now that I think about it, why ISN'T it intentional grounding. But, just taking a quick drop and firing over the wide man's head would accomplish the same thing in only a fraction more time. To me, its six of one and half a dozen of another.

[KT2000]

I just think you should have to put the ball in play. I believe it'd still be grounding if they just launched the ball out of bounds from the pocket unless it was near a receiver and deemed catchable. Who knows, maybe the QB throws to a spot without really looking and it's picked off. Football is obviously a game of strategy, and I just feel like spiking is a pretty brainless thing to get away with. Maybe I'm just nitpicking here though.

[Firebird]

I really see your point. But, then again, do we really want to give up all those last minute, no-time out miracle drives that are made possible by refs going easy on intentional grounding calls? You have to have a little wriggle room in there.

[Humblefied]

I really see your point. But, then again, do we really want to give up all those last minute, no-time out miracle drives that are made possible by refs going easy on intentional grounding calls? You have to have a little wriggle room in there.

I concur...

[dragonfootballfan]

if the spike was made illegal I think that the quarterback would go back into the shotgun about 7 yards back and a runningback about 5 yards back facing the QB and on the snap of the ball, the qb would just throw the ball at the feet of the runningback.

[Humblefied]

There really just seems way too many ways to get around the intentional grounding rule when it comes to spiking the ball or trying to get away with it. Who knows, maybe this issue has come up with members of the NFL and they have talked about it and figured that it just makes everybody's day easier to allow spikes. Kinda curious to know how the rulebook actually explains the spike and makes legal.

[slorch]

it doesn't bother me, because IMO the offense is still giving up a down to spike it, plus, how many times have we seen a flub-up on the snap or delivery- Joe Psarcek anyone? ask someone over 35, if you don't know who this is:p .

The rules are all about not giving an unfair advantage to someone, right(at least supposedly?) There is still some risk in the play, and it cost them a precious play. There are alot more plays involving the QB chunking it away to avoid a sack that get me unnerved( not in HS, but college and especially pros)
I vote that the current rule allowing the spike is OK.

[BAMF cowboy]

This didn't really fit on the other boards, so I'll put it here.

It's a really slow morning today, and in my stupor I realized how much I'm annoyed by the QB spike to stop the clock. To me, that shouldn't be allowed. Offenses should be required to either use a timeout if they have one or line up and run a legit play. The spike is intentional grounding as far as I'm concerned.

I see it as the football equivalent of being able to call a timeout when you are falling out of bounds in basketball. Equally crappy rule in my opinion that cuts the offense too much slack.

What do you think?

i dont mind it that much, it gives offenses more opportunities in key drives but ive always wondered how its not considered grounding? who's to say the qb cant drop back a step, make a quick read, and spike it if no one is open?

[slorch]

i dont mind it that much, it gives offenses more opportunities in key drives but ive always wondered how its not considered grounding? who's to say the qb cant drop back a step, make a quick read, and spike it if no one is open?
I don't have the rule book but it has something to do with it being the QB's first move and his proximity to the LOS, as he cannot spike it from the shotgun formation.

[FeeltheHaka]

This didn't really fit on the other boards, so I'll put it here.

It's a really slow morning today, and in my stupor I realized how much I'm annoyed by the QB spike to stop the clock. To me, that shouldn't be allowed. Offenses should be required to either use a timeout if they have one or line up and run a legit play. The spike is intentional grounding as far as I'm concerned.

I see it as the football equivalent of being able to call a timeout when you are falling out of bounds in basketball. Equally crappy rule in my opinion that cuts the offense too much slack.

What do you think?

KT, I can see your point, it does seem frustrating. I look at it as one of those things that adds strategy to football. Also, the quarterback could find another way to stop the clock just as everyone posted before. One could also make the argument that your team should just get far enough ahead so another score won't make a difference. You do have a great point that the spike is kind of intentional grounding.

As far as Basketball, if you are athletic enough to call a timeout while falling out of bounds, the maybe you deserve a timeout! Either way, in basketball you are burning a timeout.

[Reaganrattler07]

Lol, I was watching a game wiht my dad and they did the spike and I asked him "dad...isn't that intentional grounding".

But I do think it is a nice thing to have. I mean, they lose a down and they have the normal playclock.

And on a more humorous side....has anyone ever seen a QB spike it on 4th down?:p

[BAMF cowboy]

Lol, I was watching a game wiht my dad and they did the spike and I asked him "dad...isn't that intentional grounding".

But I do think it is a nice thing to have. I mean, they lose a down and they have the normal playclock.

And on a more humorous side....has anyone ever seen a QB spike it on 4th down?:p

yep we lost a game in middle school because of it!

[Humblefied]

you know something in the NFL i never ever really understood was the 2 minute warning. I think that is unnecessary and gives the offense way too many chances. the spike I can see because its strategy but why do they need a 2 minute warning.

Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread. It just kinda came to me.

[Tut]

you know something in the NFL i never ever really understood was the 2 minute warning. I think that is unnecessary and gives the offense way too many chances. the spike I can see because its strategy but why do they need a 2 minute warning.

Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread. It just kinda came to me.

It's an automatic commercial for tv. Might as well call it a tv time out.

[Humblefied]

I went to a football game for the first time two years ago and they had so many of those. It was so disappointing because it really breaks the flow of the game.

[FeeltheHaka]

I thought of something else. If the spike wasn't allowed, then the QB might throw a questionable pass/intetional grounding play. If the happens, then the offense gets a timeout while the refs. debate it. Offenses would spend practice time creating a play that is so debatable that it causes a delay. Also, the end of the game is highly emotional. If fans, players and coaches leave the stadium angry about calls, it can lead to parking lot trouble. Just some speculation and food for thought.

[Reaganrattler07]

yep we lost a game in middle school because of it!

Lol, poor kid....that's gotta be the biggest mental mistake ever

[RocklandDragon]

This didn't really fit on the other boards, so I'll put it here.

It's a really slow morning today, and in my stupor I realized how much I'm annoyed by the QB spike to stop the clock. To me, that shouldn't be allowed. Offenses should be required to either use a timeout if they have one or line up and run a legit play. The spike is intentional grounding as far as I'm concerned.

I see it as the football equivalent of being able to call a timeout when you are falling out of bounds in basketball. Equally crappy rule in my opinion that cuts the offense too much slack.

What do you think?

Since the spike is engrained in my mind as being a part of football, I can't see the game without it. Besides, it might stop the clock but you lose a down. A very important down.

Sorry KT, I must disagree with you on this one.

:eek:

[mojotrain]

Since the spike is engrained in my mind as being a part of football, I can't see the game without it. Besides, it might stop the clock but you lose a down. A very important down.

Sorry KT, I must disagree with you on this one.


:eek:

I'm hesitant to post this matter on this string but if I post it where it belongs no one will read it. Along the same lines as the spike, in a basketball game the ball is going out of bounds a player whose team knocked it out saves it by finding a opposing player standing near out of bounds or out of bounds and throws it at him it bounces off of this players body and go's out. I presume its legal and I love it but shouldn't throwing the ball at a opponent be a foul? Some kids are great at this.

[FeeltheHaka]

I'm pretty sure that is illegal in Basketball. Too lazy to look it up right now. I know it was when I played Basketball as a kid.

[KT2000]

Every time I look at this thread, I'm reminded of just how bored I was that day to start a thread bashing the spike, lol. I'll be after the chain gang's movement speed (or lack thereof) next. The season really needs to start.

[Tut]

I'm pretty sure that is illegal in Basketball. Too lazy to look it up right now. I know it was when I played Basketball as a kid.
I believe it's legal unless the ref sees it as an intent to injure (like throwing in at the head). I know it was something I did. We were taught to bounce it off the legs. Of course back then, you couldn't call time out while falling out of bounds.

[Tut]

Every time I look at this thread, I'm reminded of just how bored I was that day to start a thread bashing the spike, lol. I'll be after the chain gang's movement speed (or lack thereof) next. The season really needs to start.
The chain gangs speed will be important in college now. Yeah, let's nitpick. :eek:

The season starts this week. We're all ready!!! :)

[The King]

I don't have a problem with it since the team loses a down. the Bad thing is when a QB or coach loses track of down and distance and does it on the 4th down.

However I think all teams should have a guy on a horse on the sidelines to throw the ball to so that you can knock him off the horse like in varsity blues that way we all know the QB did something on that play

[lonny23]

It really doesn't bother me that much. But, I do hate the fake spike deal that Marino pulled several years ago - that should be outlawed - or they should allow the d-line to jack the qb if he even thinks about a fake.
Buddy Ryan had Randall Cunningham do that to Dallas in Philly one time. The score went from 30-20 to 37-20 on the last play of the game.

[lonny23]

it doesn't bother me, because IMO the offense is still giving up a down to spike it, plus, how many times have we seen a flub-up on the snap or delivery- Joe Psarcek anyone? ask someone over 35, if you don't know who this is:p .

The rules are all about not giving an unfair advantage to someone, right(at least supposedly?) There is still some risk in the play, and it cost them a precious play. There are alot more plays involving the QB chunking it away to avoid a sack that get me unnerved( not in HS, but college and especially pros)
I vote that the current rule allowing the spike is OK.
Joe Pisarcik plays happen, but that was a case of Philly trying to run the clock out and you saw a lot more knees taken after that play.

[lonny23]

Lol, I was watching a game wiht my dad and they did the spike and I asked him "dad...isn't that intentional grounding".

But I do think it is a nice thing to have. I mean, they lose a down and they have the normal playclock.

And on a more humorous side....has anyone ever seen a QB spike it on 4th down?:p
I've seen QB's spike on 4th, but can't give you the team. I think Colorado's 5th down play vs. Missouri came after a 4th down spike.

[lonny23]

I have no problem with the spike, calling timeout when falling out of bounds, or throwing the ball off of your opponent.

Yes, you were bored to bring it up!:D

[el papa tigre]

i don' like the spike either. i watched the qb at the acm/katy freshman game spike the ball three times. the first was sucessful, the second hit the center on the leg (technically that would have been an inelgible receiver, i guess. the ref pondered it for a second, then reset the ball), the third he fumbled trying to spike and the clock ran out.

[BeauxGeezy]

Lol, I was watching a game wiht my dad and they did the spike and I asked him "dad...isn't that intentional grounding".

But I do think it is a nice thing to have. I mean, they lose a down and they have the normal playclock.

And on a more humorous side....has anyone ever seen a QB spike it on 4th down?:p


I saw Bomar spike the ball last year when OU was trying to let the clock run out. I thought Stoops was going to explode on the sideline.

[svhorns]

Yep QB spike is a... how could I put this.... is a feminine thing to do if you ask me... should be takin out of the game... If you want the clock to stop run a pass play get your butt out of the tackle box and throw it away...

[SFARocketGrad]

i always liked the Varsity Blues clock stopping play. Snap it and fling it past your receiver at the opponents mascot.

[svhorns]

i always liked the Varsity Blues clock stopping play. Snap it and fling it past your receiver at the opponents mascot.
haha yea... it worked