Who will win: Cowboys or Redskins?

[RocketTRN]

I think the Cowboys will win.

They need to win so they shove what Gibbs said in his face. He called Cowboy fans "ugly"

I know the game isn't untill 9-19, but Lets see what people say now.

[Reaganrattler07]

Lol, he was joking! He just wants the fans riled up for the game. I think the "ugliest" fans are in Oakland...

I think the Redskins will take it this year. Offense should be getting pretty good. And the defense will be just as good or even better.

I wish I could go up to Dallas for the game, though....

[dragons08]

i'll be the unbiased one here, and take the cowboys

[Reaganrattler07]

Who is your team Dragons08?

[dragons08]

Who is your team Dragons08?
now dont laugh, the Chicago Bears

[Reaganrattler07]

Lol, it's alright, your team is your team. Can't take that away from you....

[Reaganrattler07]

Woo-hoo! Another person voted for the Skins! Your awesome whoever you are!

[dragons08]

Lol, it's alright, your team is your team. Can't take that away from you....
at least were getting better, i expect a good year this year

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah....at least they weren't as bad as the 49ers.....and y'all did disappoint me on Thanksgiving day, lol.

[dragons08]

Yeah....at least they weren't as bad as the 49ers.....and y'all did disappoint me on Thanksgiving day, lol.
i was going to go to that game, thank god i didnt, man i would of been embarssed

[Reaganrattler07]

Lol, that's kinda how I feel about goin' to Dallas for the Redskins game. I think I'm gonna try and go next year....

Was that game in Dallas or in Chicago?

[dragons08]

Lol, that's kinda how I feel about goin' to Dallas for the Redskins game. I think I'm gonna try and go next year....

Was that game in Dallas or in Chicago?
dallas, on turkey day, the bears wore those oragne uniforms, which looked kind of cool, cause they reminded me of the fighitng illini uniforms

[Reaganrattler07]

Dallas had their throwback uniforms or something didn't they? I just remember making a comment on how ugly they were :p ....and yes, I'll come out and admit it before people start saying it, the Redskins have had their share of bad looking uniforms...

[dragons08]

Dallas had their throwback uniforms or something didn't they? I just remember making a comment on how ugly they were :p ....and yes, I'll come out and admit it before people start saying it, the Redskins have had their share of bad looking uniforms...
what team hasnt? all teams had bad uniforms at somepoint, except newly formed teams of course

[Reaganrattler07]

Well, when the Redskins had yellow helmets with an R on each side those were pretty bad....and then a few years back they used the "70th anniversary", Coach Gibbs told them to throw out the atrocities....

[dragons08]

the cubs never had real bad ones, maybe their early 1900's were bad, the bears had one that one year when they played at the illinis' field, 03 i think, and the MNF game against green bay, the bears wore those ugly uniforms, staright dark blue, it looked horrible

[Reaganrattler07]

Lol, I think every single team's uniform in the early 1900's were pretty ugly....course that's when they wore the leather helmets, right?

[dragons08]

Lol, I think every single team's uniform in the early 1900's were pretty ugly....course that's when they wore the leather helmets, right?
didnt know they wore leather helmets in baseball? or in the year 2003..i think we confused each other haha

[Reaganrattler07]

Lol, yeah we did....I thought you were still talking about the Bears.

[dragons08]

Lol, yeah we did....I thought you were still talking about the Bears.
i was, i was talking about their 2003 uniforms

[Reaganrattler07]

the cubs never had real bad ones, maybe their early 1900's were bad, the bears had one that one year when they played at the illinis' field, 03 i think, and the MNF game against green bay, the bears wore those ugly uniforms, staright dark blue, it looked horrible

You said the Cubs....but yeah, after reading through it thoroughly, i can see it was about football now.

[dragons08]

You said the Cubs....but yeah, after reading through it thoroughly, i can see it was about football now.
yup i did speak of the cubs only briefly, so you become a nats fan? they have cool uniforms IMO

[Reaganrattler07]

Nope....Yankees.

Redskins, Spurs, Yankees.....

[dragons08]

Nope....Yankees.

Redskins, Spurs, Yankees.....
yankees? are you kidding me! at least its not the cardnials..

[Reaganrattler07]

We'll let the numbers speak for themselves

Yankees: 58-50

Cubs: 54-56


and the Cardinals aren't too bad...69-41

:p

[dragons08]

We'll let the numbers speak for themselves

Yankees: 58-50

Cubs: 54-56


and the Cardinals aren't too bad...69-41

:p
hmm if i spent 200 plus mil, id expect a team winning the division, not a team 4 games back in the WC

[Reaganrattler07]

Well, I'm not that much into baseball....but the only team I really sort of keep up with are the Yankees.

[dragons08]

Well, I'm not that much into baseball....but the only team I really sort of keep up with are the Yankees.
oh, why not a texan team, the rangers or stros?

[Reaganrattler07]

I dunno...I guess I started liking them the same way I started liking the Redskins...my dad watching them on tv.

[dragons08]

I dunno...I guess I started liking them the same way I started liking the Redskins...my dad watching them on tv.
make sense, i like my teams because i lived in illinois for like 13 years,

[Reaganrattler07]

In or around Chicago?

[dragons08]

In or around Chicago?
basically how southlake is to dallas

[Reaganrattler07]

Ah ok....my dad grew up near DC in Virginia and thats how he started off with the Redskins....lol, I never knew about the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry until like middle school, all my friends who were cowboys fans always looked at me wierd when I talked about the Redskins....

[dragons08]

Ah ok....my dad grew up near DC in Virginia and thats how he started off with the Redskins....lol, I never knew about the Cowboys-Redskins rivalry until like middle school, all my friends who were cowboys fans always looked at me wierd when I talked about the Redskins....
haha you sure follow your teams, not one bears fan doesnt know about the packers-bears rivarly, i think we hold the all time record, but once the pack got farve, they beat us like everytime, i hope favre retires soon..

[Reaganrattler07]

Favre looks old enough to......I think he's starting to come in with gray hairs.

Haha, maybe now Parcells wants to recruit him (old QB)

[dragons08]

Favre looks old enough to......I think he's starting to come in with gray hairs.

Haha, maybe now Parcells wants to recruit him (old QB)
nope, favre isnt the oldest qb out there, once bledsoe is ran out of town, then its favre's turn..

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah I know he isn't the oldest but Parcells just seems to be goin after any thats just about to retire.....I think he's just worried about keeping his job.

[dragons08]

Yeah I know he isn't the oldest but Parcells just seems to be goin after any thats just about to retire.....I think he's just worried about keeping his job.
i think he wants the expeirence players becasue you dont know what to except with a rookie, or guy with no expeirence so i guess hes trying to win now

[Reaganrattler07]

Well, it's gotten to the point where Parcells NEEDS a decent season....to keep his job. Whereas Joe Gibbs is planning for the future...picking up Jason Campbell. I think that might've been to help future coach Gregg Williams.

[dragons08]

Well, it's gotten to the point where Parcells NEEDS a decent season....to keep his job. Whereas Joe Gibbs is planning for the future...picking up Jason Campbell. I think that might've been to help future coach Gregg Williams.
gibbs leaving soon? he needs to get back to nascar, tony stewart is on fire

[Reaganrattler07]

Lol, Gibbs is a life-long Skin....his son is running the business. Course his other son is a coach on the Redskins.

[dragons08]

Lol, Gibbs is a life-long Skin....his son is running the business. Course his other son is a coach on the Redskins.
so one son is in foootball, other is running Joe Gibbs Racing?

[Reaganrattler07]

Pretty much so.....check out www.joegibbsracing.com

Coy Gibbs is "Quality Control - Offense"...not sure what the heck that is...

And the other one is running Joe Gibbs Racing.

[dragons08]

Pretty much so.....check out www.joegibbsracing.com

Coy Gibbs is "Quality Control - Offense"...not sure what the heck that is...

And the other one is running Joe Gibbs Racing.
weird title, quality control offense? maybe just a little name to get him a job?

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, I've never heard of that position before but I think he wanted to be a coach so his dad gave him a spot to start...im guessing. But I think he also needs someone he can consult with who knows the new game and they can talk new strategies.

[dragons08]

Yeah, I've never heard of that position before but I think he wanted to be a coach so his dad gave him a spot to start...im guessing. But I think he also needs someone he can consult with who knows the new game and they can talk new strategies.
yup most likely

[Reaganrattler07]

He's also surrounded himself with great coaches......esepcially Gregg Williams, responsible for one of the best defenses.

[dragons08]

He's also surrounded himself with great coaches......esepcially Gregg Williams, responsible for one of the best defenses.
thats always a smart thing to do, surround yourself with greatness

[Reaganrattler07]

And Joe Bugel, who was responsible for the "Dirtbags" (O-line, known as the Hogs in the 80's). He's pretty good too. Bill Musgrave as quarterbacks coach.....Ramsey needs him. and they supposedly have a good special teams coach.

[dragons08]

And Joe Bugel, who was responsible for the "Dirtbags" (O-line, known as the Hogs in the 80's). He's pretty good too. Bill Musgrave as quarterbacks coach.....Ramsey needs him. and they supposedly have a good special teams coach.
but in reality, it relies mostly on the players, the coaches can only do so much

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, but players come and go....it's what the coaches mold them into. But players need to have decent talent though...

[dragons08]

Yeah, but players come and go....it's what the coaches mold them into. But players need to have decent talent though...
yup or they need the system to utilze their strenghts

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah....something Spurrier really didn't do with Patrick Ramsey. But Gibbs can make a bad quarterback look pretty good. Did it with Theismann and Rypien.

[dragons08]

Yeah....something Spurrier really didn't do with Patrick Ramsey. But Gibbs can make a bad quarterback look pretty good. Did it with Theismann and Rypien.
i always liked ramsey, it seems he always tries his best and dealt with all that crap he went through

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, Ramsey's cool....I used to have him as the desktop wallpaper but changed to Clinton Portis. I think Ramsey just needs to work on decision making and quality passes. Like on short passes he'd throw bullets and people couldn't catch them....one of the more famous were Rod Gardner where they started makin' fun of him cause he "Dropped it like it's hot". and Coles had a foot problem and wasn't happy with the team.

[dragons08]

Yeah, Ramsey's cool....I used to have him as the desktop wallpaper but changed to Clinton Portis. I think Ramsey just needs to work on decision making and quality passes. Like on short passes he'd throw bullets and people couldn't catch them....one of the more famous were Rod Gardner where they started makin' fun of him cause he "Dropped it like it's hot". and Coles had a foot problem and wasn't happy with the team.
coles was traded to the jets for somebody wasnt he?

[Reaganrattler07]

Santana Moss.....he's gonna most likely be our go to guy. We also signed David Patten (Patriots) who will probably be the second reciever. They said that the recieving corps can really move and create seperation...

[dragons08]

Santana Moss.....he's gonna most likely be our go to guy. We also signed David Patten (Patriots) who will probably be the second reciever. They said that the recieving corps can really move and create seperation...
you guys o should be fine, with portis, pretty good recivers, good qb, hows the oline?

[Reaganrattler07]

For the oline. we signed Center Casey Rabach from Maryland, we have right tackle Jon Jansen(got a season ending injury in the first preseason game) returning which I heard he is awesome and other than that they should be fine. Just need to open up a hole for Portis. Maybe they can recreate his first run against Tampa Bay.

[dragons08]

For the oline. we signed Center Casey Rabach from Maryland, we have right tackle Jon Jansen(got a season ending injury in the first preseason game) returning which I heard he is awesome and other than that they should be fine. Just need to open up a hole for Portis. Maybe they can recreate his first run against Tampa Bay.
no offense but i think portis is a great back dont get me wrong, but a little overrated, because of hte numbers he put up in denver, where it seems anyback can excel

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, he is....and he isn't really suited for Joe Gibbs offense. Gibbs' offense was to get a big huge running back like John Riggins. And now cause Portis isn't too big he needed to change his offense a bit. But yeah, he put up pretty big numbers in Denver.

[dragons08]

Yeah, he is....and he isn't really suited for Joe Gibbs offense. Gibbs' offense was to get a big huge running back like John Riggins. And now cause Portis isn't too big he needed to change his offense a bit. But yeah, he put up pretty big numbers in Denver.
clarret will put up big numbers as well, then leave denver and suck

[Reaganrattler07]

Probably....maybe Denver just has a talented o-line....

[dragons08]

Probably....maybe Denver just has a talented o-line....
who knows what it is, but whatever it is its working

[Reaganrattler07]

can't complain there. so long as it works.

[dragons08]

can't complain there. so long as it works.
yup, hows the d looking on the skins?

[Reaganrattler07]

Should be pretty good...just about the same as last year. And I was lookin' at the scores on all the games and in about 90% of the ones we lost, we were within a touchdown....kinda got me mad at the offense.

[dragons08]

Should be pretty good...just about the same as last year. And I was lookin' at the scores on all the games and in about 90% of the ones we lost, we were within a touchdown....kinda got me mad at the offense.
imagine having the bears offense, oh man they cost us to many games

[Reaganrattler07]

Well, they didn't have "throw'em at your feet" Brunell.....if I remember when the Skins and Bears were playing, Skins were up 13-10 with seconds left and the Bears threw the ball right into Shawn Taylor's hands....yeah, Shawn Taylor, the same one facing charges in Florida.

[dragons08]

Well, they didn't have "throw'em at your feet" Brunell.....if I remember when the Skins and Bears were playing, Skins were up 13-10 with seconds left and the Bears threw the ball right into Shawn Taylor's hands....yeah, Shawn Taylor, the same one facing charges in Florida.
im sure the bears set records for most qb's used in a season, we used chad hutcherson, thats how bad we were last year

[Reaganrattler07]

I remember seeing something that the starter hurt his knee jumping for the endzone and i really couldn't quite see HOW he injured it, but they said it was pretty bad.

[dragons08]

I remember seeing something that the starter hurt his knee jumping for the endzone and i really couldn't quite see HOW he injured it, but they said it was pretty bad.
grossman got nailed and screwed his knee

[Reaganrattler07]

Oh ok...I knew it was in the leg somewhere....is he gonna be back for this season?

[dragons08]

Oh ok...I knew it was in the leg somewhere....is he gonna be back for this season?
yea hes fine now, i except big things from him, like the rest of chi town

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah...i hate it when teams lose their better players to injuries....cause its like your not seeing the real thing but just backups playing....

[dragons08]

Yeah...i hate it when teams lose their better players to injuries....cause its like your not seeing the real thing but just backups playing....
and it just screws up game plans and timing and everything, espically being a qb that gets injured

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, thats one of the things that sucked when Ramsey replaced Brunell....they had adjusted to Brunell and then went back to Ramsey. But Ramsey finished the year pretty good, so everyone's expecting a pretty good year out of him this year.

[dragons08]

Yeah, thats one of the things that sucked when Ramsey replaced Brunell....they had adjusted to Brunell and then went back to Ramsey. But Ramsey finished the year pretty good, so everyone's expecting a pretty good year out of him this year.
thats good, rex has a ton of pressure, he got hurt 2 years in a row, end of rookie season and last year, he never had a chacne to devlop, so i hope this is the year

[Reaganrattler07]

Should be interesting to see how this year unfolds...

[dragons08]

Should be interesting to see how this year unfolds...
yea it should, theres always a surprise team or 2, it could be a lot of teamsthis year

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah....NFC East should be more competitive this year, as well as all around the league.

[dragons08]

Yeah....NFC East should be more competitive this year, as well as all around the league.
yea, i dont htink no 8-8 teams get in this year i say 10-6 wil be about the cutoff roughly

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, it was kinda weird how everyone (except the Eagles) in the NFC East got 6-10 records....I think it'll be higher. If Ramsey can get comfortable with passing and Portis can start running, then I think the Redskins will go 10-6, 11-5. Cause most games we played last year, we lost by a touchdown. And a field goal on both Dallas games.

[dragons08]

Yeah, it was kinda weird how everyone (except the Eagles) in the NFC East got 6-10 records....I think it'll be higher. If Ramsey can get comfortable with passing and Portis can start running, then I think the Redskins will go 10-6, 11-5. Cause most games we played last year, we lost by a touchdown. And a field goal on both Dallas games.
i think you guys will go 9-7 or 10-6, i dont think 11-5, looking at your schedule i see this, i think you'll beat us (the bears), i think lose to the boys, lose to the seahawks, lose to broncos, beat cheifs, beat 49ers, beat hte giants, lose to eagles, beat to bucs, beat raiders, lose to chargers, lose to rams, beat cards, beat boys, beat giants, lose eagles, so i guess 9-7 roughly, still a bigg improvment over 04

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.

[dragons08]

Yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
i didnt even realize we played you, first game, its in ahh Fed Ex field (is that what you call it?)

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah.....some people think its jinxed....cause I think since we've been there I don't think we've been in the playoffs....some people wanna go back to RFK (Robert F. Kennedy) Stadium. It's on Sunday, Sept. 11 I think....I wonder if we'll get it here....

[dragons08]

Yeah.....some people think its jinxed....cause I think since we've been there I don't think we've been in the playoffs....some people wanna go back to RFK (Robert F. Kennedy) Stadium. It's on Sunday, Sept. 11 I think....I wonder if we'll get it here....
most likely not, i might get nfl sunday ticket though, not sure though, we'll probally get it based on the boys and texans

rfk where the nats play right?

[Reaganrattler07]

Yup....I guess someone had to use the stadium...

That's what sucks about being down here.....can't see a lot of Redskins games....same goes for you and Chicago.

[dragons08]

Yup....I guess someone had to use the stadium...

That's what sucks about being down here.....can't see a lot of Redskins games....same goes for you and Chicago.
i do get to catch a lot of cubs game though, i got directtv and we got the fox sports net pack and stuff, so when they play on there i can usually watch it, also when they play on WGN i can watch that as well, i was able to get some illini games as well, the bears games i can only get on monday night football, sunday night football, or nfl sunday ticket, usually they dont show the bears game on cbs or fox cause of cowboys/texans games

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, I wanna get the Fox Sports Net package.....parents don't wanna get Sunday Ticket though :mad:

But I've been trying to convince my dad to get Fox Sports Net, so I think I may get that one.

[dragons08]

Yeah, I wanna get the Fox Sports Net package.....parents don't wanna get Sunday Ticket though :mad:

But I've been trying to convince my dad to get Fox Sports Net, so I think I may get that one.
that commerical is so catchy, also the like 8? game on one screen is awesome, but since i dont have it, i just use the NFL channel, they usually sort through and show scores and stats and stuff, its good enough i guess

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, the NFL Channel has quickly become my favorite channel. Although they do replay some of the stuff too many times though....yeah, that multiple games channel looked pretty cool.....shame i can't have it :(

[dragons08]

Yeah, the NFL Channel has quickly become my favorite channel. Although they do replay some of the stuff too many times though....yeah, that multiple games channel looked pretty cool.....shame i can't have it :(
i guess between the NFL network, ESPN, and ESPNNEWS, we'll catch highlights of our teams

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, I guess so....shame we can't watch the actual games though...

[dragons08]

Yeah, I guess so....shame we can't watch the actual games though...
yea oh well, i quit watching my cubs, their embarssing me

[Reaganrattler07]

They'll be good again in due time.

[dragons08]

They'll be good again in due time.
well, they let us down 2 years in a row, underachievers

[Reaganrattler07]

Redskins haven't had a winning season since 1999.

[dragons08]

Redskins haven't had a winning season since 1999.
but how many superbowls do you guys have? more than 1 i belive (bears have only one)

[Reaganrattler07]

Three....all by Joe Gibbs.

[dragons08]

Three....all by Joe Gibbs.
well thats as many as the bears (1) and the cubs (world series 2) combined..it sucks being a chicago fan

[Reaganrattler07]

Your forgetting the Bulls.....

[dragons08]

Your forgetting the Bulls.....
well, them and the blackhawks, have like 10? i think combined bulls got 6 hawks got i dont know how mayn

[Reaganrattler07]

However much it is, is a lot.....

[dragons08]

However much it is, is a lot.....
nothing since like 96, so its been awhile, the illini are the only team i felt had a chacne to win it all, they lost to stupid UNC

[Reaganrattler07]

At least they got close.....and the Bulls did go into the playoffs until they lose to....the Wizards?

[dragons08]

At least they got close.....and the Bulls did go into the playoffs until they lose to....the Wizards?
oh yea thats right! i dont see a championship coming to the bulls this year though i'll give them another 2-3 years

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, they were a pretty young team....2-3 years sounds about right.

[dragons08]

Yeah, they were a pretty young team....2-3 years sounds about right.
yea, the blackhawks, might be good, the NHL, will be a surprise this year, on the good and bad teams

[Reaganrattler07]

Well, considering there wasnt a season last year, its hard to know what to expect.

[dragons08]

Well, considering there wasnt a season last year, its hard to know what to expect.
that and all the FA going all over

[RocketTRN]

when you make a poll, is the first selection always Red? I should have put the Redskins on top, then the Cowboys. That would have matched the colors. I know Gibbs was just kidding, he said so in a press conference afterwards.

[wide-e-wide]

Well in recent years the Cowboys have absolutely owned Washington.
I'll take Dallas in both games. Is there anyway Dallas can play the 'Skins on Theismann's birthday again? I just wanted to hear the entire crowd sing Happy Birthday again.
The old Cowboys fans will remember what I'm talking about. I think it was in '83 or '84 when it happened.

[Reaganrattler07]

Those were the two years that the Skins went to the Superbowl....won the first, lost the second....

But do you call winning by 3 points "absolutely owning them"?

[dragons08]

Those were the two years that the Skins went to the Superbowl....won the first, lost the second....

But do you call winning by 3 points "absolutely owning them"?
when he said that, i think he meant number of wins over the last x amount of years

[wide-e-wide]

Those were the two years that the Skins went to the Superbowl....won the first, lost the second....

But do you call winning by 3 points "absolutely owning them"?

I'm talking about recent history...the Skins have won 1 out of how many?
11?12?....that's owning them.

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, but the only one that really matters is last years....course most of the Dallas players have been playing since the 80's...so maybe that is good thing for you all.