Heisman

[Mad Hatter]

who do you guys think are the early hesiman canidates ?


id go with

Vince Young
Reggie Bush
Adrian Peterson
Tedd Ginn JR

[jtk1519]

My prediction for the 5 finalist (in random order)...

QB Vince Young - Texas
WR/RB/KR Reggie Bush - USC
QB Chris Leak - Florida
QB Matt Leinart - USC
QB Drew Tate - Iowa

Darkhorses...

WR/KR Ted Ginn Jr. - Ohio State
QB Chad Henne - Michigan
RB Adrian Peterson - land theives
RB Laurence Maroney - Minnesota

Controversial darkhorse ...

WR/RB/KR Ramonce Taylor - Texas - You may call this a homer pick, but I really think this offense is perfect for somebody like Ramonce. It gives him a chance to be used 100 different ways and really showcase his skills. In the VERY limited action he saw last year, RT averaged over 10 yards a carry, over 20 yards a reception and finished 3rd on the team in all-purpose yards... as a true freshman. I really look for him to have the same kind of buzz surrounding him that Reggie Bush did last year simply because he can do so many things so well. I actually like RT more than Ginn simply because Ramonce is a far more polished football player than Ginn ever was last year.

I dont know who will win the Heisman, but I dont think it will be Leinart. He should be a finalist though.

[dragons08]

vince young
matt linehart
adrian peterson
reggie bush
drew tate
chirs leak

one of those six win it, thats in just random order

[garlandowl08]

Its too early to start guessing this. If Texas loses their first game to Ohio state, and Vince and crew have a really bad game (a bif if, I know), then that could throw off the whole season heisman wise. I mean, the Heisman is for the player who faultered the least, or not at all, and played great. If you even have one scratch on your record, its hard to overcome.

[GarlandOwl06]

No question, itll be the same guy who won it last year. Without a doubt. All you homers are talking about Vince Young...GET REAL! And yes, USC will win a 3rd national title.

[pack0808]

No question, itll be the same guy who won it last year. Without a doubt. All you homers are talking about Vince Young...GET REAL! And yes, USC will win a 3rd national title.


without a doubt???? do you know how hard it is to win a heisman 2 years in a row?? how many times has it been done in history?? :rolleyes: everything has to fall in place. a unbelievable season stat wise, your team needs to win a lot of games, and you have to be basically injury free. so you saying without a doubt it will be the same guy is without a doubt insane. :eek:

[jtk1519]

No question, itll be the same guy who won it last year. Without a doubt. All you homers are talking about Vince Young...GET REAL! And yes, USC will win a 3rd national title.

Leinart is a long shot at best. He won last year in what was a pretty weak race. The total number of votes Leinart received was the second lowest since 1989. The only winner with fewer votes was Eric Crouch in '01... the year he, Rex Grossman and Ken Dorsey finished with 100 votes of each other.

Alex Smith wasnt going to win because he played for a "second tier" school and had the "product of the system" tag on him... he didnt stand a chance.

Peterson and Bush would have been tough picks because one was a true freshman and the other was a true soph... Heisman voters dont like voting for guys that young, especially freshmen.

White could have won, but Peterson being in the race split their votes (each received just over 900 votes). If JJ arrington or Cedric Benson is in the final 5 instead of Peterson, then White would have won the Heisman pretty easily.

I'm not saying Leinart was weak, but he had a little easier road than I think he will have this year. Voters dont like giving out a second Heisman so Leinart is already a couple votes down. He'll be a finalist, but he wont win.

[GarlandOwl06]

I think he has the tag as the best QB by far in the nation. Which IMO pencils him in as the favorite for the hesiman voting. And USC will win the most games in the nation so that also makes him the favorite.

[jtk1519]

I think he has the tag as the best QB by far in the nation. Which IMO pencils him in as the favorite for the hesiman voting. And USC will win the most games in the nation so that also makes him the favorite.

He's not the best. He's just on the best team. I believe I heard on ESPN the other night that USC has 5 players who are considered "Heisman hopefulls." Any QB surrounded by talent like that is gonna put up good numbers and get a lot of pub.

[TechGuy07]

I would throw Jarrett Hicks in as a darkhorse, but he will never win it, because of that stupid "system" arguement.

[GarlandOwl06]

He's not the best. He's just on the best team. I believe I heard on ESPN the other night that USC has 5 players who are considered "Heisman hopefulls." Any QB surrounded by talent like that is gonna put up good numbers and get a lot of pub.

If Leinart had gone into the draft last year he would have been the the #1 pick. You name me some better QB's than him...

[jtk1519]

If Leinart had gone into the draft last year he would have been the the #1 pick. You name me some better QB's than him...

True, and he'll probably be the #1 pick in the next draft... that doesnt make him the best. Tim Couch was picked #1 overall in '99 while Daunte Culpepper was picked #11. You tell me who the better QB is.

Leinart will be the #1 pick because he is a very safe pick... the same reason he won the Heisman last year. He's a good QB... not great. He has the size the NFL wants. He plays in an NFL type offense. He plays for a former HC in the NFL. He use to play for an OC who is now in the NFL. Leinart is about as ready for the NFL as any QB in the country. Again, that doesnt make him the best QB in college football.

The NFL will take a 6'5 230 guy like Leinart over a 6'1 210 guy like Chris Leak or a 5'11 190 guy like Drew Tate just because of their size and the offenses they play in. It doesnt matter what kind of sick numbers they put up, the NFL wants big guys and will almost always take one over a smaller guy.

So, you want to know who I think is the best QB in college football... it's Omar Jacobs from Bowling Green. As a 6'4 220 soph., Jacobs completed 67% of his passes for over 4000 yards with 41 TDs to just 4 INTs... and he did without a fraction of the talent around him that Leinart has. He's also mobile enough to add 300 yards and couple TDs on the ground.

Leinart is good... very good, but it is my opinion that any number of QBs from Omar Jacobs to Chris Leak to Chad Henne could put up numbers just as good or even better than Leinarts with all the talent that USC has.

[wide-e-wide]

but who does Bowling Green play?
Laredo United South....and who else?

[jtk1519]

but who does Bowling Green play?
Laredo United South....and who else?

Oklahoma, Marshall, Toledo, etc. Before you try and tell me that his numbers are so good because he's playing against weaker teams, remember that he is also playing with a weaker team. Sure, he's playing against mid-major defenses, but he's also playing behind a mid-major O-line. He's throwing to mid-major WRs and handing off to mid-major RBs. There's not a ton of talent to stop him on offense, but there's not a lot of talent to help him out either. It all balances out in the end.

[GarlandOwl06]

True, and he'll probably be the #1 pick in the next draft... that doesnt make him the best. Tim Couch was picked #1 overall in '99 while Daunte Culpepper was picked #11. You tell me who the better QB is.

Leinart will be the #1 pick because he is a very safe pick... the same reason he won the Heisman last year. He's a good QB... not great. He has the size the NFL wants. He plays in an NFL type offense. He plays for a former HC in the NFL. He use to play for an OC who is now in the NFL. Leinart is about as ready for the NFL as any QB in the country. Again, that doesnt make him the best QB in college football.

The NFL will take a 6'5 230 guy like Leinart over a 6'1 210 guy like Chris Leak or a 5'11 190 guy like Drew Tate just because of their size and the offenses they play in. It doesnt matter what kind of sick numbers they put up, the NFL wants big guys and will almost always take one over a smaller guy.

So, you want to know who I think is the best QB in college football... it's Omar Jacobs from Bowling Green. As a 6'4 220 soph., Jacobs completed 67% of his passes for over 4000 yards with 41 TDs to just 4 INTs... and he did without a fraction of the talent around him that Leinart has. He's also mobile enough to add 300 yards and couple TDs on the ground.

Leinart is good... very good, but it is my opinion that any number of QBs from Omar Jacobs to Chris Leak to Chad Henne could put up numbers just as good or even better than Leinarts with all the talent that USC has.

OMAR JACOBS IS BETTER THAN MATT LEINART!?!?!?!?!!? BE SERIOUS! I'm not even going to say anything, I'll just let you soak in what you said.

[jtk1519]

OMAR JACOBS IS BETTER THAN MATT LEINART!?!?!?!?!!? BE SERIOUS! I'm not even going to say anything, I'll just let you soak in what you said.

The numbers dont lie.

[pack0808]

numbers lie all the time. you always have to look at the competition when comparing the numbers of 2 players on 2 different teams. it only makes sense. i am not saying this bowling green qb is not very good but we will not know how good until he faces better competition. a qb like rothlesberger from mami of ohio turned out pretty good though. my iowa hawks were the only really good team miami of oh played in his senior year and iowa won 21-3 and the hawks shut him out. their defense does that to most lately though. that was the only game they lost that year because of their weak schedule. so looking at that and you would think rothlesberger is not that good facing great competition?? wrong!! he is now one of the best qb's in the nfl for the steelers. my point, it is hard to tell either way when these guys are playing for a smaller college team with less comp.

[dada]

Omar Jacobs will put up better numbers than anyone and dont be suprised if they upset OU.

[pack0808]

better then a texas tech qb??

[jtk1519]

numbers lie all the time. you always have to look at the competition when comparing the numbers of 2 players on 2 different teams. it only makes sense. i am not saying this bowling green qb is not very good but we will not know how good until he faces better competition. a qb like rothlesberger from mami of ohio turned out pretty good though. my iowa hawks were the only really good team miami of oh played in his senior year and iowa won 21-3 and the hawks shut him out. their defense does that to most lately though. that was the only game they lost that year because of their weak schedule. so looking at that and you would think rothlesberger is not that good facing great competition?? wrong!! he is now one of the best qb's in the nfl for the steelers. my point, it is hard to tell either way when these guys are playing for a smaller college team with less comp.


Again, while he is playing against weaker competition, he is also playing with a weaker supporting cast. He's not lining up behind the Texas O-line or handing off to the USC RBs or throwing to the Ohio State WRs. He's putting up the best numbers in the country without a fraction of the talent around him that Vince, Leinart, Tate, etc. have around them. Like I said... it all balances out. Guys like Byron Leftwich, Chad Pennington and Ben Roethlisberger have gone on to prove that point time and time again.

[pack0808]

you can still never tell. i heard you the first time on your point about being on a weaker team but that still does not change my mind. for every rothlesberger and leftwich their has been a lot more supposed big time mid american players that put up big numbers that did not do anything.

[jtk1519]

you can still never tell. i heard you the first time on your point about being on a weaker team but that still does not change my mind. for every rothlesberger and leftwich their has been a lot more supposed big time mid american players that put up big numbers that did not do anything.

True, but nothing compared to the number of Pac 10 QBs that have put up big numbers and flopped outside of college. Ryan Leaf anyone.

[wide-e-wide]

Omar Jacobs will put up better numbers than anyone and dont be suprised if they upset OU.

I will go on the record and say that I would bet my paycheck every week for the rest of the year on that one.

[jtk1519]

I will go on the record and say that I would bet my paycheck every week for the rest of the year on that one.

I wouldnt make that bet. I'm not saying Bowling Green will win, but last year, the year the land thieves made it to the NC game, Bowling Green hung 26 points on the Sooners and started to give them fits towards the 4th quarter. Jacobs completed 59% of his passes for 218 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs in that game. I believe BG lost that game by 16... and that was in Norman. BG's problem was that they could only muster 63 yards on the ground. This year, the game is in Bowling Green and even most Sooner fans expect the land thieves to struggle early on.

Again, I'm not saying BG will win this game, but it does have all the making for an early upset. Especially with all the work the land thieves had to do to replace all their lost players. Remember, they are having to replace 3 of their 4 starters on the D-line, their best LB and 2 of their 4 starting DBs. Not to mention all the holes on offense they have to fill.

[dada]

I will go on the record and say that I would bet my paycheck every week for the rest of the year on that one.

You're lucky I'm not a gambling man :)

[farmerfan]

OU and Bowling Green dont even play this year. The game that people are predicting as a upset is when Bowling Green travels to Madison in the 1st week of the season and takes on the Badgers at Camp Randall.

[dada]

OU and Bowling Green dont even play this year. The game that people are predicting as a upset is when Bowling Green travels to Madison in the 1st week of the season and takes on the Badgers at Camp Randall.

Man! My sources SUCK....or my mind is that fried. Oh well....Bowling Green goes undefeated this years and screws up the BCS.

[jtk1519]

OU and Bowling Green dont even play this year. The game that people are predicting as a upset is when Bowling Green travels to Madison in the 1st week of the season and takes on the Badgers at Camp Randall.

My bad. I thought they had a home and home series with the land thieves.

[pack0808]

Man! My sources SUCK....or my mind is that fried. Oh well....Bowling Green goes undefeated this years and screws up the BCS.


hey if bowling green's only real challenge is wisconsin then they should definitely go undefeated. i know the big 10 and i can tell you why?? although wisconsin is usually very tough to beat on their home turf, this year should be much different. wisconsin should have one of their worst teams in recent history. they will be lucky to win 3 games if you ask me. they lost 13 senior starters from last year's team :eek: including several nfl picks and it does not look good at all in replacing those players because of several mediocre recruiting seasons lately. even last year when they won 9 in a row they lost their last 3 games with all these players. they were 9-0 and lost to michigan st 41-14 my iowa hawks 30-7 and they lost a very close game to georgia 24-21 in the outback bowl. my point, they will not be 1/4th of the team they were last year when going 9-3 and i expect bowling green to win that game so please do not think that is a big win for bowling green when it happens. wisconsin will be lucky to win 1 game next year in the big 10. mark my words!! now if bowling green was playing at iowa- won 19 in a row at home, ohio st, or michigan and they got a win then they could definitely have some bragging rights.

[farmerfan]

The trip to Madison will still be a daunting task for the Falcons, Camp Randal is one of the toughest stadiums to play at in America. Another tough road game for Bowling Green will be the trip to Boise to take on the blue turf boys. I think that Bowling Green will go 1-1 in those games, with a better chance of beating Wisconsin than Boise State, but it still would be considered a upset if Bowling Green beats Wisconsin, just because it is a mid major going into a hostile environment and beating a team such as Wisconsin.

[pack0808]

i know winning at wisconsin is usually very tough task farmer but wisconsin is really going to be down this year in my opinion. maybe i am wrong but i do not think so. they lost too much last year and they do not really have the talent to replace the void this year.

[farmerfan]

I was not trying to argue with you pack, you probably know the Big Ten as good as anyone on this board, and I take your word if you say Wisconsin will be down, you have been right on in a lot of your points about the Big Ten and Iowa over the last couple years. I also respect a fan of a program from the Big Ten as you are with Iowa, so many people claim to be Michigan and Ohio State fans cause of the popular pick, but you seem to have always stuck by your Hawkeyes. I also said and feel as tough as it is to win in Madison, that I think Bowling Greens tougher game will come at Boise State, something about that place gives teams fits, and Boise is supposed to have one of their best teams ever this year, heck Bowling Green could lose both those games, but after reading what you said, and in some magazines today, I think that BG has more than a great shot to beat the Badgers, every guru on ESPN has even said the same thing, one thing for sure though, if Jacobs can put up great numbers against those two teams and find a way to win, then he will solidify himself among the nations elite as far as QB's go.

[pack0808]

oh i was not trying to argue with you i was just making a point. i read from several sources including my iowa hawkeye magazines that i get in the mail that wisconsin was do for a major down year. the professionals have been wrong before but it seems they have some good points after looking into why. i am a very loyal fan to all my teams by the way win or lose. i have been a iowa hawkeye football and basketball fan since i was a little kid. my parents were born and raised in iowa and my dad turned me into a hawkeye fan since i can remember. i am a huge big 10 fan in texas is a distant 2nd place besides in baseball and i sometimes cheer for a&m because of the lufkin players. i am just as loyal to lufkin in hs, celtics and rockets in the nba, astros in mlb, cowboys and steelers in the nfl. i am with those teams win or lose and i cannot stand fake fans that cheer for just the winners. those types are anything but real fans. i know you are a loyal fan to your lewisville farmers and boston redsox right? who do you cheer for in college football??

[farmerfan]

Loyal as can be to both those teams, in fact i have a flight leaving tommorow morning at 6:30, my mom got me tickets to the Sox/yankee series this weekend, so you can imagine im on cloud 9 right now, even though its a yankee series, the pennant race has heated up, heck i could be going to sundays game with us trailing the empire by .5 a game, I hope not but it very well could be the case. I also love going to Boston bars and engaing in sports discussion's with some of the die hards, it does not take them long to figure out Im from Texas, and instantly they bring up HS football and how big it is as well as the passion for football, some are snobish about it, but for the most part its pretty civilized conversation until a political topic gets brought up, I should keep my mouth shut in those situations, but I just feel I have to spread the good word up there when it calls :D .

As far as college football is concerned, I really dont have a favorite team, my late father tried to drill into me that cheering for all Texas teams is a good thing, he always used to get frustrated with me when I would root against Texas. I like to try to just be a college football fan, I love the game and I think without having a team to follow, it takes away from a great experience, however I could not tolerate the months of September or October worrying about two teams, the Sox give me enough to worry about.

[pack0808]

that would be an awsome experience to watch the yanks/redsox at fenway or the bronx. have fun!! and you sound like me with the political stuff. as you know i cannot help but share my opinion just like you do and i might get myself in trouble in a boston bar. lol

[wide-e-wide]

Got kicked out of Fenway once. I was with a group of about 30 sailors....
Long story short...after a few of the fellas started chanting "Buuuuuuckner....Buuuuuuckner....Buuuuuckner" there was a semi-brawl. I was not one of the ones chanting. Although, I was quite drunk and laughing my (bleep) off. Interesting experience. At least they waited until the 8th to start the chant. And probably 50% of those guys were New Yorkers.

[GarlandOwl06]

If Omar Jacobs is better than Leinart than why is Leinart gonna be the first pick in the draft most likely

[jtk1519]

If Omar Jacobs is better than Leinart than why is Leinart gonna be the first pick in the draft most likely

For the same reason Eli Manning was picked over Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer over Byron Leftwich, etc. Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman and Tee Martin were all drafted ahead of Tom Brady. Does that mean they're better than Brady? Of course not. The NFL draft is not and never has been a way to measure talent.

Most every draft expert will tell you that Alex Smith was not the best athlete in the draft this year, but he was the #1 pick because San Francisco didnt need the best athlete, they needed the best QB. You can rest assured of this, if the team with the #1 pick in next years draft doesnt need a QB, Matt Leinart will NOT be the #1 overall pick.

[farmerfan]

Got kicked out of Fenway once. I was with a group of about 30 sailors....
Long story short...after a few of the fellas started chanting "Buuuuuuckner....Buuuuuuckner....Buuuuuckner" there was a semi-brawl. I was not one of the ones chanting. Although, I was quite drunk and laughing my (bleep) off. Interesting experience. At least they waited until the 8th to start the chant. And probably 50% of those guys were New Yorkers.

That isn't funny :D, well maybe it is, i could see how a brawl started, and could see how you would get kicked out. The rules at Fenway have changed so much now, security was a hassle, but well worth it, the atmosphere was second to none, but the alcohol remains absurd, paid 6 bucks for a beer, and went to some of the bars around Fenway after the game, no shots are sold after any home game, the two bars i went to were the Caskin Flagon, and Game On, had some interesting conversations, and of course someone had to bring up politics, but nothing to serious. For the most part I enjoyed the trip minus the thurs,sat and sunday games.

[wide-e-wide]

6 bucks is absurd...but at Minute Maid they are 7.50 and not very cold.
Who among us remembers $1 Dome dogs and $2 beer at the Astrodome?
I miss those days.......

BTW...I've been to about 14-15 of the current ballparks and I must say Fenway is right up there. Probably tied with Wrigley as my favorite. My least favorite was Milwaukee....and Shea Stadium sucked too. The old Rangers stadium was horrible as well.

[GarlandOwl06]

For the same reason Eli Manning was picked over Ben Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer over Byron Leftwich, etc. Giovanni Carmazzi, Chris Redman and Tee Martin were all drafted ahead of Tom Brady. Does that mean they're better than Brady? Of course not. The NFL draft is not and never has been a way to measure talent.

Most every draft expert will tell you that Alex Smith was not the best athlete in the draft this year, but he was the #1 pick because San Francisco didnt need the best athlete, they needed the best QB. You can rest assured of this, if the team with the #1 pick in next years draft doesnt need a QB, Matt Leinart will NOT be the #1 overall pick.

All of those guys are better than the next guy. No matter what you say, there is no good point saying that Jacobs is better than Leinart. That is absurd. You are probably not a big USC fan because you know that if somehow Texas got to the Rose Bowl this year it would get uggggly!!

[jtk1519]

All of those guys are better than the next guy. No matter what you say, there is no good point saying that Jacobs is better than Leinart. That is absurd. You are probably not a big USC fan because you know that if somehow Texas got to the Rose Bowl this year it would get uggggly!!

So I'm supposed to dislike every team Texas could potentially play? Wow! You must be an aggy with an attitude like that. I have no reason to like or dislike USC. Frankly, until Pete Carroll showed up, USC was nothing more than a sorry Pac 10 team that didnt garner the attention that UTEP receives. Of course, as an aggy fan, you are in kind of a nice position. You will never have to worry about playing the likes of USC or Michigan in Bowl games. All you will have to worry about are the Baylors of the world and of course getting your a** handed to you when you are lucky enough to make a bowl game.

There is no way to truly settle a debate between Leinart and Jacobs. Jacobs crushes Leinart in the stat dept., but Leinart has the Heisman and championships. The two will probably never meet on the college football field, so only time will truly settle this debate.

However, I ask you to consider this... It is pretty much a given that Leinart is surrounded by one of the greatest groups of talent in college football. It's been said by several that Jacobs (or a lot of other QBs) could step in at USC and put up Leinart like numbers, but I ask you this... how would Leinart do if he were at Bowling Green? Would he be able to throw for over 4000 yards, 40+ TDs and only 4 INTs? Just something to think about.

[pack0808]

it is really 7.50 a beer?? my lord!! and there was nothing better then 1 dollar dome dogs and 2 dollar beers at the dome. on milwaukee?? you have to be talking about their old stadium right?? that one was trash but they have a nice new ballpark and they just hosted the all star game a few years back when we had the tie.

[wide-e-wide]

The "old" stadium in Milwaukee is the one I went to. It was horrible...haven't been to the new one but it looks nice.

Yes...7 freakin' 50 a beer at Minute Maid...I was blown away by that one.
and it was 16oz.....Dude I can get a six-pack of 16oz at HEB for 4.99.

[farmerfan]

at least it is 16oz, at Fenway the size of the cups are no larger than a regular plastic cup, its pitiful, I would guess maybe 10oz's, no matter what, nothing beats a fenway frank and a beer, the good thing is that Fenway has over 10 beers on tap.
Out of all the stadiums I have been to, Fenway still ranks number 1, however Camden Yards is right there behind it, I have been to games at the Oakland Coliseum, Candlestick Park, Jack Murphy (Qualcom) in San Diego, old Arlington and the old Fulton County some of those stadiums where great to see as a kid, but as I have gotten older, I have realized that nothing beats the comfort and luxury of the newer ballparks.

[dada]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=heismanhopefulsandallame&prov=tsn&type=lgns


How can you NOT put Vince on this list. I mean Ginn is getting a LOT of Hype..hope he can live up to it...I have a feeling Peterson wont do the numbers he had last year.
Just my opinion.

[wide-e-wide]

It would be awesome if this were the list-

Reggie McNeal
Vince Young
Adrian Peterson
Drew Tate

An all-texan Heisman race.

[dada]

Omar Jacobs had another great game today.....how did this guy get out of Florida without being recruited by one of the big schools there.....too bad Bowling Green dosent have a defense.

[Reaganrattler07]

It would be awesome if this were the list-

Reggie McNeal
Vince Young
Adrian Peterson
Drew Tate

An all-texan Heisman race.

I'm surprised you put Reggie....

[jtk1519]

Omar Jacobs had another great game today.....how did this guy get out of Florida without being recruited by one of the big schools there.....too bad Bowling Green dosent have a defense.

He will probably be deserving of at least a trip to New York, but I doubt he will get it. I will tell you this, if I could pick any QB in college football to start for my team, I would pick Jacobs and I wouldnt even hesitate.

[pack0808]

You are crazy JTK!! I would take Tate, Leinart, and Mcneil any day over him. He had a big day vs a very big10 weak wisconsin team and still lost by 2 td's. I would love to see him come to Iowa. The last time a big time qb came to Iowa from that conference was Rothlesberger and Iowa won 21-3 and he had no chance. He has only lost 1 game since and that was to the Patriots. By the way this makes me think of a quiz, Can you name the only black qb to ever win a super bowl?? Seriously, He is a talented qb but he is untested in that weak conference. He might turn out like Rothlesberger but i doubt it?? Did you see what Boise did when they had a chance to play with the big boys today. I have heard them whine for 2 years on how if they had a chance they could beat the big boys in college football. The coach said the game today was the biggest in Boise history. Did you see that game today vs Georgia?? Reality has set in in Idaho i promise you that!!

[jtk1519]

There's always an excuse, but all the while Jacobs puts up sick numbers without half the talent around him that the big boys have.

[dada]

You are crazy JTK!! I would take Tate, Leinart, and Mcneil any day over him. He had a big day vs a very big10 weak wisconsin team and still lost by 2 td's. I would love to see him come to Iowa. The last time a big time qb came to Iowa from that conference was Rothlesberger and Iowa won 21-3 and he had no chance. He has only lost 1 game since and that was to the Patriots. By the way this makes me think of a quiz, Can you name the only black qb to ever win a super bowl?? Seriously, He is a talented qb but he is untested in that weak conference. He might turn out like Rothlesberger but i doubt it?? Did you see what Boise did when they had a chance to play with the big boys today. I have heard them whine for 2 years on how if they had a chance they could beat the big boys in college football. The coach said the game today was the biggest in Boise history. Did you see that game today vs Georgia?? Reality has set in in Idaho i promise you that!!
Look at his stats...this is a normal game for him.......the MAC produces great NFL QB's..........Does Wisconsin play Iowa this Year? Lets see if Tate can do the same against him.

[LHSLion11]

Heisman Candidates

Adrian Peterson (OU)
Omar Jacobs (Bowling Green)
Matt Leinart (USC)
Reggie Bush (USC)
Chris Leak (Florida)

one of those 5 will win it this year

[wide-e-wide]

Chris Leak?
ummmmmmmm where's Superman?

[jtk1519]

You might take Peterson out. His Heisman chances took an extreme nose dive yesterday.

[farmerfan]

You are crazy JTK!! I would take Tate, Leinart, and Mcneil any day over him. He had a big day vs a very big10 weak wisconsin team and still lost by 2 td's. I would love to see him come to Iowa. The last time a big time qb came to Iowa from that conference was Rothlesberger and Iowa won 21-3 and he had no chance. He has only lost 1 game since and that was to the Patriots. By the way this makes me think of a quiz, Can you name the only black qb to ever win a super bowl?? Seriously, He is a talented qb but he is untested in that weak conference. He might turn out like Rothlesberger but i doubt it?? Did you see what Boise did when they had a chance to play with the big boys today. I have heard them whine for 2 years on how if they had a chance they could beat the big boys in college football. The coach said the game today was the biggest in Boise history. Did you see that game today vs Georgia?? Reality has set in in Idaho i promise you that!!


Pack I just got back from Athens, and all I can say is wow. I never epected BSU to get blown out, but after watching this game, I know why. The talent level of the big boys and the MAC is unreal. Some will say that Zambrowsky lost the game for BSU, I just think he had never faced a team with speed like he saw from UGA.
After watching the Wisconsin game today, Jacobs is a good QB, but in no way would I take him over Leinart. Leinart will show many accross America that it was more than Norm Chow as to why that offense was so successful.

[jtk1519]

Boise State isnt in the MAC.

[farmerfan]

I was not refering to Boise, I know they are in the WAC, i was refering to Bowling Green and comparing there game against Wisconsin as to that of Boise's game with UGA.

[pack0808]

Look at his stats...this is a normal game for him.......the MAC produces great NFL QB's..........Does Wisconsin play Iowa this Year? Lets see if Tate can do the same against him.


Iowa embarrassed Wisconsin last year and that against a much much better Wisconsin team. The badgers lost almost everybody and had a couple of weak recruiting classes. They will be lucky to finish 7th in the Big 10 this year. The transfer rb they got saved them this week. Tate can throw on anybody and he has proven that. The guy is just ridiculously accurate.