My analysis of these 3 games

[lonny23]

OK, sports fans. I'm going to give my take on the 3 games in the next 3 posts. I'll start with the #1 team in the nation.

SLC is getting almost 300 yards more a game than their opponents and they're winning by a lot. They still score a lot and McElroy will hit 4K yards this week. The difference this year is they're holding teams down in yards. They've played good offensive teams, but they're shutting them down and a lot of the points and yards have been late in the game and with backups in there. They are more susceptible to the pass than running, but that gets minimized with Claybon's injury. The running attack still gets almost 200 yards a game and you have to respect all aspects of their offense. We all know they're well-coached and they have different gears. This is a top team.

Lufkin has talent. Not having Claybon will hurt, but not as much as last week. They didn't always win like they needed to, but they kept winning this year. In the playoffs, they've played pretty much to their opponent's level. Outlaw deserves a lot of credit for winning so much. They came through last week when Cove got back in the game and that's a testament to the team.

I realize how tight the last 2 games were and this game is in Lufkin's backyard, but it's not going to be as close this time. It would be closer with Claybon, but SLC is and has been the better team all year.

SLC 31
Lufkin 14

[lonny23]

Katy-SV are almost mirror images of each other in style. This game is in Katy's back yard. SV has played a tougher schedule. Katy has scored more during the year, but really dodged a bullet last week. SV was good all year, but really stepped it up for the playoffs. They're really scoring on offense right now.

The district champion from the best district in the state will beat the best Team in Region 3 from a weaker district. This game will have a lot of back and forth action and nobody should miss it.

SV 38
Katy 28

[lonny23]

Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

[Redneckn]

If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.

[lonny23]

If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.
Why El Salvador?

[BAMF cowboy]

If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.

just like how they were overrated this year and wouldn't go the season undefeated. Just how IMac would end their season early. Just how Allen's spread offense would take it to the defense? Just like Abilene was supposed to avenge last years loss. Just like Plano's defense was going to completely shut down the offense (props to plano though, they played great)

in conclusion, yes i can see now why SLC will crumble

[Redneckn]

Lonny. I want to be in ms-13. So I figured if I claimed to be ElSalvadore, they might let me in. That way I can be a redneck in mexican gang. :D


DragonCrew. Just my opinion. Let's not get all testy about it.

[TrojanHorse03]

Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

THANK YOU LONNY. I knew ud come through, even nice enough to give us a score prediction. That was real nice adding that score at the end of the ball game too. Trinity posters, I implore u to WAIT TILL SATURDAY NIGHT :D !

[lonny23]

THANK YOU LONNY. I knew ud come through, even nice enough to give us a score prediction. That was real nice adding that score at the end of the ball game too. Trinity posters, I implore u to WAIT TILL SATURDAY NIGHT :D !
I did my homework before posting that. You won't score those 4 or more TD's you're used to.

[SmilinTiger]

Katy-SV are almost mirror images of each other in style. This game is in Katy's back yard. SV has played a tougher schedule. Katy has scored more during the year, but really dodged a bullet last week. SV was good all year, but really stepped it up for the playoffs. They're really scoring on offense right now.

The district champion from the best district in the state will beat the best Team in Region 3 from a weaker district. This game will have a lot of back and forth action and nobody should miss it.

SV 38
Katy 28

OK Lonny. When Katy takes SV down, we don't want to hear from you for those 7 days. DEAL?

[bugw09]

I did my homework before posting that. You won't score those 4 or more TD's you're used to.

Lonny, of the few months that I've been posting you have seemed to be one of the most reasonable posters, but now you are just being ridiculous. Don't let readers believe that your prediction is an unbiased one when you obviously liked Judson to begin with. And don't say that you are famous for making gutsy prediction because you aren't. The majority of the time you have picked the favorite to win and this time it is Trinity. If you don't want to pick Trinity, fine, if you really think they will lose 24-7(hahaha), fine, but don't lead other to believe that you actually are neutral to these two teams.

[pack98]

Well i am going to take a line from the old ball coach Lee corso

if SLC wins it is going to be "closer than the experts think"


GO PANTHERS

[theloneranger]

Lonny, of the few months that I've been posting you have seemed to be one of the most reasonable posters, but now you are just being ridiculous. Don't let readers believe that your prediction is an unbiased one when you obviously liked Judson to begin with. And don't say that you are famous for making gutsy prediction because you aren't. The majority of the time you have picked the favorite to win and this time it is Trinity. If you don't want to pick Trinity, fine, if you really think they will lose 24-7(hahaha), fine, but don't lead other to believe that you actually are neutral to these two teams.
Careful bug.........:o....... you dont want to read a long post do ya????? If you do then keep it up and you will. Please dont upset Lonny:D

[TrojanHorse03]

Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

All incorrect answers mister Lonny.

No. The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

TRINITY'S FINAL EXAM ON SATURDAY, DEC. 10 at 12 p.m. DON'T BE LATE ;) !

[theloneranger]

Well i am going to take a line from the old ball coach Lee corso

if SLC wins it is going to be "closer than the experts think"


GO PANTHERS
Ill take one to "I agree"!!!:)

[bullrock]

That's BOLD Lonny. You're fixin' to start a fight. I may agree with the teams you picked, but I am a little surprised at the scores. And in case you didn't notice, I have now surpassed the 400 post mark this year. That equals about two good days of posting for you.

[LUFPAN]

Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

Congratulations Lonny on making the homer pick of the week. Converse ,IMO, is the team least likely to win of the picks you made. Not knocking on them they play with lots of heart and pride, they've just got the biggest mountain to climb.

[SmilinTiger]

Jerry @ tfr.com has it

Trinity by 6
SLC by 11
Katy by 3

He definitely has the winners. Spread to be determined.

[lonny23]

OK Lonny. When Katy takes SV down, we don't want to hear from you for those 7 days. DEAL?
My deal was the Judson game.

[TrojanWebman]

Please tell me you are one of the scouts for Judson.

[TrojanHorse03]

Please tell me you are one of the scouts for Judson.

Yeah that would be nice!

[lonny23]

Lonny, of the few months that I've been posting you have seemed to be one of the most reasonable posters, but now you are just being ridiculous. Don't let readers believe that your prediction is an unbiased one when you obviously liked Judson to begin with. And don't say that you are famous for making gutsy prediction because you aren't. The majority of the time you have picked the favorite to win and this time it is Trinity. If you don't want to pick Trinity, fine, if you really think they will lose 24-7(hahaha), fine, but don't lead other to believe that you actually are neutral to these two teams.
I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

[lonny23]

Careful bug.........:o....... you dont want to read a long post do ya????? If you do then keep it up and you will. Please dont upset Lonny:D
I don't usually say everything in the first post, so I post more if I get a little feedback.

[lonny23]

That's BOLD Lonny. You're fixin' to start a fight. I may agree with the teams you picked, but I am a little surprised at the scores. And in case you didn't notice, I have now surpassed the 400 post mark this year. That equals about two good days of posting for you.
Congrats on 400. I was looking at your posts a few days ago and you had like 6 going into August and still had less than 100 going into September.

[lonny23]

That's BOLD Lonny. You're fixin' to start a fight. I may agree with the teams you picked, but I am a little surprised at the scores. And in case you didn't notice, I have now surpassed the 400 post mark this year. That equals about two good days of posting for you.
I know these games tend to be close, but I just feel like there will be larger margins this week.

[nathan00427]

Now the big one!

Trinity has a bunch of big guys on the OL. They have a great rushing offense and get big passing plays, too. Their defense has been pretty good overall and has been real good in some games.

Judson was all defense for most of the year and struggled a lot. They never gave up and got to the title game. I won't lie and will tell you this is the easiest game to pick this week. Judson is the better team and will win.

Trinity is just not a complete enough team to beat Judson. They turn the ball over too much and have had penalty problems this year, but have improved in that area. They don't punt well and never really had to do it very much. It looks like they had trouble snapping the ball this year because there are some very odd 2 point conversions in their boxscores. They missed quite a few extra points and only got 1 FG all year. Trinity really got hammered on defense in some games and they gave up plenty of big plays. They were not fast starters in a good amount of their games and they struggled quite a bit with the better teams they played (none of them were as good as Judson, though). They do a great job running the ball down your throat and got a lot of big plays on offense.

Judson has the perfect defense for ET. They have a great secondary that can cover the WR's and great speed all over. They play great gap control defense and they need that against a larger ET line. They cause turnovers and don't give up big plays. They make you drive it down the field on them and take their chances they'll get a turnover or stop you. The offense is coming around and they're going to grind out yards and take away time with the running attack. They can put it in the air, too. I don't think ET will get the same plays this week that they're accustomed to. Westfield was a better, more complete team than ET. I really think Judson is a team of destiny and they're not going to lose a game in Round Rock of all places.

Judson 24
Trinity 7

here comes the stats-man out of me.

121 offensive possesions for trinity this year.
90 touchdowns
1 fg
11 turnovers
19 punts

that includes time with the backups in (which is where you can find most of those punts)

90 tds/11 turnovers -- basically a 9:1 ratio.

you know what, let judson force a turnover while ET drops 63. i think if that happened, trinity would still find a way to win.

so you judson boys dont get ur panties in a wad -- i dont think trinity will score that much, i was just putting it in perspective. but to think they can hold trinity to 7 is absurd.

[TrojanHorse03]

I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

Which team does what will certainly be determined on Saturday. Its a shame u wont be there to see it....

No. The rankings are only there to try and give an idea of the best teams in the state when there's no tangible way to compare them. The playoffs are the ultimate test, and the real teams will survive and be there in the end.

TRINITY'S FINAL EXAM ON SATURDAY, DEC. 10 at 12 p.m. DON'T BE LATE !

[lonny23]

here comes the stats-man out of me.

121 offensive possesions for trinity this year.
90 touchdowns
1 fg
11 turnovers
19 punts

that includes time with the backups in (which is where you can find most of those punts)

90 tds/11 turnovers -- basically a 9:1 ratio.

you know what, let judson force a turnover while ET drops 63. i think if that happened, trinity would still find a way to win.

so you judson boys dont get ur panties in a wad -- i dont think trinity will score that much, i was just putting it in perspective. but to think they can hold trinity to 7 is absurd.
Nobody thought Katy would hold SLC to 15 and SV held them to 27 last year.

Westfield had 5 turnovers going into last week and had 4 for the game. You've had 2 turnovers in 3 games out of the last 5. 11 is still a good amount in spite of the offensive firepower. Judson will get at least a few turnovers off of you.

[TrojanHorse03]

Nobody thought Katy would hold SLC to 15 and SV held them to 27 last year.

Westfield had 5 turnovers going into last week and had 4 for the game. I looked at all the boxscores on the DMN and you have more than 11 turnovers.

No we do not. Trevor has 4 interceptions on the year. and 7 fumbles actually sounds about right. 11 turnovers was also mentioned in Saturday's postgame.

[TrojanHorse03]

By the way u havent exactly been in a rush to mention Judson stats by the way. By the way I'm gonna give u some advice because I respect ur loyalty to ur team(even though u FIRED Judson :confused: :rolleyes: ). Seeing as u havent seen ur team all year and certainly havent seen Trinity it really would be in your best interest to wait to saturday to go to make so many bold statements. Right now your walking in a minefield blindfolded.

[nate]

Lonny, do you remember the Katy offense in '97 when they won the title over Longview? That's what I think of when I watch this Trinity offense. The linemen are not just gigantic. They are also very quick and good at getting past the defensive line to the LBs and secondary. Add to that 2 very capable TEs bigger than anyone Judson will line up in its front 7 and you, my friend, have an impossible force to stop.

Back in '97, Katy had a great line, maybe the best I've ever seen in a high school team. That season, Katy had 2 great RBs that ran all over opposing defenses all year.

This season, Trinity has an amazing line and great TEs to cap it off. Their 2 RBs are better than anyone Judson has seen, Westfield included. Judson may slow down the Trojan offense, but there's no chance you will hold them to under 200 yds of rushing offense and 24-28 points. Given Judson's inability to score a whole lot, that should give Trinity enough to win this game.

[lonny23]

No we do not. Trevor has 4 interceptions on the year. and 7 fumbles actually sounds about right. 11 turnovers was also mentioned in Saturday's postgame.
I went back to change it. You have 2 each in 3 of the last 5 games.

[TrojanWebman]

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

This game isn't 265 vs 65. It's Judson vs Trinity. Let the best team win.

[lonny23]

By the way u havent exactly been in a rush to mention Judson stats by the way. By the way I'm gonna give u some advice because I respect ur loyalty to ur team(even though u FIRED Judson :confused: :rolleyes: ). Seeing as u havent seen ur team all year and certainly havent seen Trinity it really would be in your best interest to wait to saturday to go to make so many bold statements. Right now your walking in a minefield blindfolded.
Hey, you know how the prediction game goes. Sometimes what you think you see comes to pass and sometimes it blows up in your face. I believe what I said will come to pass and we can all see on Saturday.

[TrojanHorse03]

I went back to change it. You have 2 each in 3 of the last 5 games.

And how many turnovers does JUDSON have on the year?

[lonny23]

And how many turnovers does JUDSON have on the year?
I don't know because the paper doesn't have all the boxscores. Maybe somebody knows. I'm going to bed. Maybe I'll count when I get up.

[implacable44]

Congratulations Lonny on making the homer pick of the week. Converse ,IMO, is the team least likely to win of the picks you made. Not knocking on them they play with lots of heart and pride, they've just got the biggest mountain to climb.


I assume you mean as in pure physical size right ? like comparing the size of the O-line to a mountain ? - surely you don't think it is more difficult to beat Trinity - who has already lost once this year to SGP than it is going to be for Lufkin to beat SLC ? a team that has beaten Lufkin in the past and now Lufkin is without their starting QB ? Surely you recognize Lufkin has the biggest mountain to climb ?

[farmerfan]

I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game except last week. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.

[TrojanHorse03]

I don't know because the paper doesn't have all the boxscores. Maybe somebody knows. I'm going to bed. Maybe I'll count when I get up.

Exactly, get where the blindfolded in a minefield analogy comes from. There's nothing wrong with saying u think ur team is going to win or what score, just dont claim u came to this conclusion based on a accurated analysis of the numbers. Just say u think *JUDSON IS REALLY AWESOME* and you'll actually come off better.

[nathan00427]

I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

[bugw09]

I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.


Lonny, those are all fair if not bad reasons that you think you think Judson will win. But that is not the point. The point is is that you shouldn't post as though you were unbiased. Even if Trinity was a complete favorite and nobody thought Judson was going to win, you would still find enough meaningless facts to support a Judson win because you're a fan.

[farmerfan]

Lonny, do you remember the Katy offense in '97 when they won the title over Longview? That's what I think of when I watch this Trinity offense. The linemen are not just gigantic. They are also very quick and good at getting past the defensive line to the LBs and secondary. Add to that 2 very capable TEs bigger than anyone Judson will line up in its front 7 and you, my friend, have an impossible force to stop.

Back in '97, Katy had a great line, maybe the best I've ever seen in a high school team. That season, Katy had 2 great RBs that ran all over opposing defenses all year.

This season, Trinity has an amazing line and great TEs to cap it off. Their 2 RBs are better than anyone Judson has seen, Westfield included. Judson may slow down the Trojan offense, but there's no chance you will hold them to under 200 yds of rushing offense and 24-28 points. Given Judson's inability to score a whole lot, that should give Trinity enough to win this game.

man great minds think alike. I had not seen your post when I started posting mine. Must be something in that Denton County water system :D

[TrojanHorse03]

I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.

By the way I forgot to mention, while Trinity is ever capable of the big play, what Trinity felt they learned from SGP was to be more patient. And a direct result was Nance having 45 carries and 300 plus yds vs. Mac, and 100 plus for Laderrick. While they still have some games where they make an effort to get it to our underrated wide receivers for long touchdowns. The have no problem with committing to the running game. Because people seem to think our offensive line isnt conditioned, and then its their defense thats getting tired and not having fun anymore :D . They understand those 3-4 yd gains in the first quarter have gotten longer with each quarter, untill they alway turn in to 40 yd+ plus runs in the 3rd and 4th quarters.

[implacable44]

man great minds think alike. I had not seen your post when I started posting mine. Must be something in that Denton County water system :D

well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.

[TrojanHorse03]

well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.

C'mon NO ONE is saying all that. We're just saying u can celebarate what Judson has done without bashing Trinity.

[TrojanHorse03]

I'm just gonna say it some of Judson's fan, even some of the most decorated have actually been sounding like the Westfield fans thinking they already played the D1 state championship game. Thats just asking for trouble!

[TrojanHorse03]

I'll break it down more:

One team turns the ball over less.

One team plays better defense (both run and pass).

One team punts better.

One team makes more big plays in special teams.

One team makes more big plays on defense.

One team has a better kicking game.

One team doesn't come out half-stepping and then decide to play.

One team is better than anybody else the other team has played all year and beat a better team than the one they're playing this week.

I'm not trying to start an argument over the score and I do believe it will be 24-7. Trinity wins one way and if that way gets stopped, they'll lose. They are good enough that it worked for 14 weeks, but it won't work this week.

I don't think Trinity gets all the easy scores on long plays this week. Judson will make them work for TD's. The Rockets will also take time off of the clock with their own running game.

Exhibit L :D !

[implacable44]

I'm just gonna say it some of Judson's fan, even some of the most decorated have actually been sounding like the Westfield fans thinking they already played the D1 state championship game. Thats just asking for trouble!

is the adverse true ? or is it just Judson that should walk lightly on thin ice -- be careful what we say so as not to offend that mighty force in Useless, Texas?

[theloneranger]

well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.
Good TIMES!!!!!! Nice post Dude:)

[B2BStateChamps92_93]

i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

Judson is better than Trinity....how's that!!

District 6 Overall

Team W L W L PPG PAPG
Irving MacArthur (7) 9-1 6 1 25.3 16.6
Euless Trinity (1) 9-1 6 1 46.0 16.6
South Grand Prairie (2) 9-1 6 1 30.2 14.2
Coppell (3) 5-5 4 3 25.5 21.1
Irving Nimitz (5) 6-4 3 4 23.4 20.7
Hurst Bell (6) 3-7 2 5 15.9 28.3
Irving (8) 4-6 1 6 21.5 26.0
Grand Prairie (4) 0-10 0 7 9.1 38.7

This is what we call a weak district!

K. Fossil Ridge (6-4) 20
Plano East (6-5) 20
EP Franklin (11-1) 14
A&M Consol. (11-2) 6

These are the teams that you beat to get to where you are, you notice that the teams with worse records still put up points against you.

That combined with the Judson "swarm" defense will be the end of EU!

Let the "Firestorm" begin!

[TrojanHorse03]

Judson is better than Trinity....how's that!!

District 6 Overall

Team W L W L PPG PAPG
Irving MacArthur (7) 9-1 6 1 25.3 16.6
Euless Trinity (1) 9-1 6 1 46.0 16.6
South Grand Prairie (2) 9-1 6 1 30.2 14.2
Coppell (3) 5-5 4 3 25.5 21.1
Irving Nimitz (5) 6-4 3 4 23.4 20.7
Hurst Bell (6) 3-7 2 5 15.9 28.3
Irving (8) 4-6 1 6 21.5 26.0
Grand Prairie (4) 0-10 0 7 9.1 38.7

This is what we call a weak district!

K. Fossil Ridge (6-4) 20
Plano East (6-5) 20
EP Franklin (11-1) 14
A&M Consol. (11-2) 6

These are the teams that you beat to get to where you are, you notice that the teams with worse records still put up points against you.

That combined with the Judson "swarm" defense will be the end of EU!

Let the "Firestorm" begin!

Hmmm didnt see u during those 4 losses and probably not before last week. I guess u should make the most of ur two week stay :D ! This firestorm is gonna resemble the Challenger. :cool:

[implacable44]

Hmmm didnt see u during those 4 losses and probably not before last week. I guess u should make the most of ur two week stay :D !

well since we will be state champs for the entire year he can stay for longer than that -- and we can discuss the victory and th 2-o record against Useless for the whole year. But since his signature talks about the 92 and 93 state titles -well makes me wonder if he played on that team that spanked Trinity - oh wait - I forgot about all the stats and stuff - sorry - yeah we will all be gone soon - with our tail between our legs running from the mighty trojans.

[TrojanHorse03]

yeah we will all be gone soon - with our tail between our legs running from the mighty trojans.

Very well put!

[gritty52]

I knew the useless word was coming. Is all this mess about us losing 1 game coming from a bunch that has lost 4???? We will see if they can stop the 5A player of the year!! No one else has we;ll see.:D :D

[BigFoot]

I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.
Are you venturing down to Round Rock Farmer?

[implacable44]

I knew the useless word was coming. Is all this mess about us losing 1 game coming from a bunch that has lost 4???? We will see if they can stop the 5A player of the year!! No one else has we;ll see.:D :D

Greg Mcelroy transferred to Trinity ?

[TrojanHorse03]

Greg Mcelroy transferred to Trinity ?

He wishes :D , the hawgs never let the QB touched.

[implacable44]

He wishes :D , the hawgs never let the QB touched.

who is this 5a player of the year then ?

[TrojanHorse03]

Man it is so tempting to provide u with some inside dish on what publications have already selected Dimitri Nance as player of the year. But they have to wait to the conclusion of the playoffs. Out of respect I cannot divulge any more info untill Saturday night :cool: . I'll put it on a bible though.

[implacable44]

Man it is so tempting to provide u with some inside dish on what publications have already selected Dimitri Nance as player of the year. But they have to wait to the conclusion of the playoffs. Out of respect I cannot divulge any more info untill Saturday night :cool: . I'll put it on a bible though.

honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.

[southlake thug]

honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.


Wow. Implac - are you alright? I have never heard this kind of banter from you.

[farmerfan]

Are you venturing down to Round Rock Farmer?

I am seriously thinking about it. With Lufkin and SLC being as far away as they are. This game sounds very tempting. Last time I was at a Judson state title game, a state record for most points scored by a winning team was accomplished (only to have our cross town rivals top that record by 1 pt the following year).

[TexasRed6x]

Man it is so tempting to provide u with some inside dish on what publications have already selected Dimitri Nance as player of the year. But they have to wait to the conclusion of the playoffs. Out of respect I cannot divulge any more info untill Saturday night :cool: . I'll put it on a bible though.

Horse - Judson fans will never under estimate Trinity period, we know what a talented team you have. Westfield too was loaded, with agreat runningback as well. I have a friend that went to the Tyler/ Trinity game and he even called me when they were playing to tell me how good your team is. Trinity will be favored as you well know, and Judson understands that they are the underdog, again nothing to lose and everything to gain. I for one respect what Trininty has done this year, and thought all along that it would be Trinity and Westfield in the finals, someone just forgot to tell Judson that they were not suppose to win the game, and that is why we play the games.

[implacable44]

Wow. Implac - are you alright? I have never heard this kind of banter from you.


ssshhhhh don't tell the others man - I can't have the SLC faithful knowing that most of the time I just try to get under their skin. the truth is the truth. You can't knock this kid for what he has done. I really hope he gets his offer he wants from Stanford.

[farmerfan]

honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.


If ever a year to award Co players of the year this would be it. What Nance and McElroy have done for their respective teams is incredible. Nance is over the 3000 yard mark, something very rarely seen. He has guided his team to a state title game apperance and has yet to be stopped all year.
McElroy is the same way. He has led the machine to another impressive year. His leadership was awesome agaisnt Plano.
Both players are deserving of this award and if ever a co poy was given, this would be the appropriate year to do so.

[TrojanHorse03]

Horse - Judson fans will never under estimate Trinity period, we know what a talented team you have. Westfield too was loaded, with agreat runningback as well. I have a friend that went to the Tyler/ Trinity game and he even called me when they were playing to tell me how good your team is. Trinity will be favored as you well know, and Judson understands that they are the underdog, again nothing to lose and everything to gain. I for one respect what Trininty has done this year, and thought all along that it would be Trinity and Westfield in the finals, someone just forgot to tell Judson that they were not suppose to win the game, and that is why we play the games.

O no doubt, these are 2 of the most respected programs in the state going at it . And I also find this to be the most intriguing matchup of the week. I think all this discussion on Monday is all in fun, outta great anticipation for a great 4 quarter battle worthy of a championship game. I've simply been sparring a bit :D .

[KaTyTiGeRChIcK07]

OK Lonny. When Katy takes SV down, we don't want to hear from you for those 7 days. DEAL?


Could not agree with you more:) :)

[TrojanHorse03]

honestly if anybody but Mcelroy gets 5a player of the year it is a joke and only because a southlake player has gotten it the past 2 years and people are starting to believe it is the system. That kid performed up to all expectations and might have even exceeded them - he has great receivers and a great system but he has to execute. If he doesn't get it -- it will be much like when Jordan got dogged and they gave it to Malone because Jordan had won it so many times.

McElroy is certainly a GREAT player as I have certainly said if this was the Heisman he'd be a lock for New York. But u must admit that Michael Jordan analagy is over the top. 3,000 yds rushing is truly rarified air.

[implacable44]

McElroy is certainly a GREAT player as I have certainly said if this was the Heisman he'd be a lock for New York. But u must admit that Michael Jordan analagy is over the top. 3,000 yds rushing is truly rarified air.

I dont think it is over the top - it wasn't like Malone didn't have a great year. I mean he is probably the best power forward of all time - (debatable) and here we are talking about a guy running behind the "biggest and best O-line" possibly in history but at least definitely since the " 97 Katy team". So how can I not attribute the majority of his success to that o-line ? maybe they should get 5a poy as a unit. 3,000 yards is definitely impressive but according to the Trojan faithful that line makes all the difference.

[bullrock]

Well, football is a team thing. Do you honestly think McElroy could toss for 4,000 plus yards without a good O-line?

[BigFoot]

I am seriously thinking about it. With Lufkin and SLC being as far away as they are. This game sounds very tempting. Last time I was at a Judson state title game, a state record for most points scored by a winning team was accomplished (only to have our cross town rivals top that record by 1 pt the following year).
Post if you are going ...we will look for you....going Friday night ...it is easier on the grandchildren that way.

[implacable44]

Well, football is a team thing. Do you honestly think McElroy could toss for 4,000 plus yards without a good O-line?

nope but i already stated that -- he had great receivers and he has a good o-line that gives him time.

[RocketTRN]

i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

He wasn't insulting the haka.

Judson BARELY LOST 4 times. These are the scores: 19-20(Judson leading at half), 7-21(tied at half), 14-23(Judson leading at half), 0-14(no offensive production). You act like Judson got blown out 4 times. Its just like we said last week, it doesn't matter how many losses we had during the season. What matters is that we got in the playoffs and we are now appearing for the 10th time in the 5A State Championship.

Just because you have scored a lot of points all year doesn't mean you will saturday. Talk to Westfield, they know what its like to average 45 ppg and only put up 14 against our D. Copperas Cove averaged 35 ppg and only scored 20. Laredo Nixon averaged 36 ppg and only scored 13. Harlingen averaged 36 ppg and only scored 15. This defense is used to holding high scoring teams to low points. The most points put on the Judson D all year was 28, which was against O'Connor in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

This game will be a close one, and if anyone hasn't decided what game to goto, go to the Judson-Trinity game because its gonna be good.

[farmerfan]

Post if you are going ...we will look for you....going Friday night ...it is easier on the grandchildren that way.

I understand. I will know by friday afternoon. I will let you know once I have made up my mind.

[TrojanHorse03]

I dont think it is over the top - it wasn't like Malone didn't have a great year. I mean he is probably the best power forward of all time - (debatable) and here we are talking about a guy running behind the "biggest and best O-line" possibly in history but at least definitely since the " 97 Katy team". So how can I not attribute the majority of his success to that o-line ? maybe they should get 5a poy as a unit. 3,000 yards is definitely impressive but according to the Trojan faithful that line makes all the difference.

I want to clear up a funny misconception. When people hear the words Trinity o-line they always just assume we have the biggest line in the state, and in many years that be true. But i accessed one of my favorite articles and here's the measurements.

C 6-2 239
ST 5-9 372
SG 6-3 273
QT 5-8 263
QT 6-2 310

The 372 is what really throws it off. To put that in perspective in 2001 it looked like this

C 6-2 262
ST 6-5 315
SG 6-1 285
QG 6-2 285
QT 6-3 330

Basically Trinity has had bigger lines, and other good backs before but what can't be forgot is none of them have ever even come anywhere near 3,000 yds rushing and 40 total touchdowns :eek: ! But here's more.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/high_school/13141312.htm

Said Trinity coach Steve Lineweaver: "Under the radar is not anymore. We have a very good line, but he has really good vision and good balance. We go into scrimmages with ourselves in the spring. When Dimitri's in there, those things go 60 [yards]; when some of the other guys are in there, they go six with the same blocking."

The size of the offensive line is a knock on the Trojans backs. It averages about 290 pounds per man, but a good running back must still find and read the holes.

"Once they get past the line of scrimmage, that line ain't going 10 yards down the field," said South Grand Prairie coach David Fisher, whose team beat Trinity but gave up 228 yards to Nance. "At that point, a back's instincts take over. Nance has the ability to run over people, around people, by people.

"He finishes everything he runs. There may be times around the goal line when you have a guy in position and he just runs through them. You can't coach that, you're either a physical guy with that mentality or you're not."

IN THE KNOW

A measure of his talent

How Dimitri Nance's rushing totals this season compare with statistics for the 11 running backs in the Star-Telegram preseason State 100 recruiting list:


Player, School (where committed) Ht. Wt. Car. Yds. TDs
Dimitri Nance, Trinity 5-10 195 203 2,134 30
Jamaal Evans, Irving 5-9 175 264 1,793 12
Baron Batch, Midland (Texas Tech) 5-10 170 184 1,591 21
Antwan Cobb, Pflugerville 6-0 200 162 1,372 10
Derke Robinson, Hebron (Texas) 6-1 205 163 1,298 12
Vondrell McGee, Longview, (Texas) 5-9 180 144 1,235 16
Emmanuel Moody, Coppell (Texas) 6-1 195 169 1,141 14
Trent Hines, Midland Lee, (Texas A&M) 6-2 205 174 987 10
Michael Goodson, Klein Collins, (Okla. St.) 6-0 195 99 973 8
Donte Bean, North Garland 5-9 180 191 968 12
Cornell Tarrant, Dallas Samuel 5-11 185 129 587 7
Latreal Cooper, Cuero, (Texas A&M) 6-2 200 72 347 8

[theloneranger]

I want to clear up a funny misconception. When people hear the words Trinity o-line they always just assume we have the biggest line in the state, and in many years that be true. But i accessed one of my favorite articles and here's the measurements.

C 6-2 239
ST 5-9 372
SG 6-3 273
QT 5-8 263
QT 6-2 310

The 372 is what really throws it off. To put that in perspective in 2001 it looked like this

C 6-2 262
ST 6-5 315
SG 6-1 285
QG 6-2 285
QT 6-3 330

Basically Trinity has had bigger lines, and other good backs before but what can't be forgot is no one has every even come anywhere near 3,000 yds rushing and 40 total touchdowns :eek: ! But here's more.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/high_school/13141312.htm

Said Trinity coach Steve Lineweaver: "Under the radar is not anymore. We have a very good line, but he has really good vision and good balance. We go into scrimmages with ourselves in the spring. When Dimitri's in there, those things go 60 [yards]; when some of the other guys are in there, they go six with the same blocking."

The size of the offensive line is a knock on the Trojans backs. It averages about 290 pounds per man, but a good running back must still find and read the holes.

"Once they get past the line of scrimmage, that line ain't going 10 yards down the field," said South Grand Prairie coach David Fisher, whose team beat Trinity but gave up 228 yards to Nance. "At that point, a back's instincts take over. Nance has the ability to run over people, around people, by people.

"He finishes everything he runs. There may be times around the goal line when you have a guy in position and he just runs through them. You can't coach that, you're either a physical guy with that mentality or you're not."

IN THE KNOW

A measure of his talent

How Dimitri Nance's rushing totals this season compare with statistics for the 11 running backs in the Star-Telegram preseason State 100 recruiting list:


Player, School (where committed) Ht. Wt. Car. Yds. TDs
Dimitri Nance, Trinity 5-10 195 203 2,134 30
Jamaal Evans, Irving 5-9 175 264 1,793 12
Baron Batch, Midland (Texas Tech) 5-10 170 184 1,591 21
Antwan Cobb, Pflugerville 6-0 200 162 1,372 10
Derke Robinson, Hebron (Texas) 6-1 205 163 1,298 12
Vondrell McGee, Longview, (Texas) 5-9 180 144 1,235 16
Emmanuel Moody, Coppell (Texas) 6-1 195 169 1,141 14
Trent Hines, Midland Lee, (Texas A&M) 6-2 205 174 987 10
Michael Goodson, Klein Collins, (Okla. St.) 6-0 195 99 973 8
Donte Bean, North Garland 5-9 180 191 968 12
Cornell Tarrant, Dallas Samuel 5-11 185 129 587 7
Latreal Cooper, Cuero, (Texas A&M) 6-2 200 72 347 8
Damn Trojan..........thats a pretty impressive post:cool: . Well just have to see what lonny has to say when gets back to the boards.:D

[nathan00427]

I dont think it is over the top - it wasn't like Malone didn't have a great year. I mean he is probably the best power forward of all time - (debatable) and here we are talking about a guy running behind the "biggest and best O-line" possibly in history but at least definitely since the " 97 Katy team". So how can I not attribute the majority of his success to that o-line ? maybe they should get 5a poy as a unit. 3,000 yards is definitely impressive but according to the Trojan faithful that line makes all the difference.

i've watched 8 or 9 of trinitys games this year, and it is a combination of the line and dimitri.

like, the line generally gets him to the linebackers/secondary untouched, but not a whole lot after that. dimitri has made a lot of these incredible runs on his own, by juking or running over linebackers and members of the secondary. if he was an average back, he'd get about 5 yards per carry. hes phenomenal though, so hes getting around 10. hes very deserving (along with mcelroy) for at least a share of the 5a player of the year award.

[drgnbkr]

ssshhhhh don't tell the others man - I can't have the SLC faithful knowing that most of the time I just try to get under their skin. the truth is the truth. You can't knock this kid for what he has done. I really hope he gets his offer he wants from Stanford.

Nobody can handle the truth! Did'nt you hear Jack Nicholson?..:D

[lonny23]

I dont know where you are getting this slow start stuff from. Since the I-Mac game, Trinity has scored a TD on its first possesion of each game except last week. Trinity has a very difficult ground game to contain. They do not rely on the big play, rather they just move their way down field chipping away with runs of 3 yards then 5 yards then 4 yards then 7 yards then a 10 yard run followed by another 5 yard run followed by another 10-15 yard run then they will hit you with the play action followed by a TD. This offense is very difficult to contain for 48 mins. They are going to get their points and they are going to get their yards. SGP has every bit as good a defense as Judson has and Trinity still rushed for over 300 yards on them and scored 28 points. That was probably the worst offensive game Trinity has played all year and they still moved the ball well and scored points. Against I-Mac they had at least 2 chances to score but didnt, one was a dropped pass on a trick play and the other was at the end of the game when Coach Lineweaver took a knee inside I-Mac's 5 yard line.
I love your homersim Lonny, but you sound like a fool to say Trinity will only score 7 pts, you have not seen them play once. All you have to go on is what other people post as well as newspaper clippings. I think a lot of your information is skewed. Im not saying Trinity will blow Judson out, but I can honestly say Judson will not hold Trinity to under 200 yards rushing. If you think you have them beat by stopping the running game, then you are in for a surprise. Vittatoe can beat you with his arm. He has not needed it as much this year as he did last year, but he is still very dangerous. Trinity has a great TE and some very big athletic receivers, Judson will get lulled into the PA and Vittatoe will bust a big one on the Rockets this week.
This running game is the cloeset thing to 96 Lewisville as I have seen. I firmly believe it can't be stopped.
Also Trinity only does have 11 turnoves on the year.
Slow start was not meant to be whether they scored first or not. I was just saying their play in the first half doesn't match some of the 2nd half efforts. You want to play good after halftime, but they've needed it a fair number of times.

Maybe they can't be stopped. I think Judson has a better defense than SGP. It wasn't an accident they held that Westfield bunch to almost 300 yards under their average. Westfield scored a lot this year in many ways and got 7 off of their offense and 7 more on a punt return that should've never counted because of a clip.

[lonny23]

Exactly, get where the blindfolded in a minefield analogy comes from. There's nothing wrong with saying u think ur team is going to win or what score, just dont claim u came to this conclusion based on a accurated analysis of the numbers. Just say u think *JUDSON IS REALLY AWESOME* and you'll actually come off better.
You're right it's much more than numbers. I'm trying to use as many resources as I can. That's hard when you're stuck over here and can't even watch videos. I reported what I felt like the stats told me.

[lonny23]

Lonny, those are all fair if not bad reasons that you think you think Judson will win. But that is not the point. The point is is that you shouldn't post as though you were unbiased. Even if Trinity was a complete favorite and nobody thought Judson was going to win, you would still find enough meaningless facts to support a Judson win because you're a fan.
I'll be 100% honest with you. Champ asked right after the SW game who I thought would win and I made some comments about Judson winning, but I thought they might lose. When I started digging into stuff, I came to the conclusion, "There's no way they're going to lose." I know it's football and weird stuff happens, etc. but I honestly don't see how ET will beat a more well-rounded team. In the State Finals, you have to have more to go on than an offense that just pummels people.

[lonny23]

man great minds think alike. I had not seen your post when I started posting mine. Must be something in that Denton County water system :D
Whatever it is, they need to fix it FAST!:p

[lonny23]

well there you have it. Call Coach Rackley and tell him to forget it. We just won't show up because Goliath is coming to town - yet another Goliath - I seem to remember hearing all of this last week when the annointed D1 champion was coming to town and Judson would be shocked. Judson had no chance. - They had no chance to make the playoffs because of the point spread they needed - It is hopeless. Stay home Judson stay home and I won't bother to make the Drive from Keller either because it will just be pointless against this "unstoppable" team that has no state championships - lost to South Grand Prarie and has the best line since KAty of 97. It is hopeless- There will be no mighty ducks - no little engine that could - no rocky -- no cinderella man those are all just fantasies. No Pistons over the Lakers for the NBA title - it just isn't gonna happen. We have been shown stats - reminded of our meager record and small size -- reminded that we have no star players no standout performances. I will stay home and cut the grass.
I seem to remember David picking up 5 rocks. We still have 1 left!:D

[lonny23]

I'm just gonna say it some of Judson's fan, even some of the most decorated have actually been sounding like the Westfield fans thinking they already played the D1 state championship game. Thats just asking for trouble!
I'm not like the Westfield game, because they didn't even consider matchups. I've thought about how our quick defense will play against your glaciers. We're still the underdog in the polls, so it's not like we can just show up and win. I hoped this would be a good discussion and I think so far it's been OK. You guys are great, but you're tooting your own horn, too. That's fine with me. You believe in Trinity and I believe in Judson.

[lonny23]

Exhibit L :D !
That's right. Lonny at his finest!:p

[lonny23]

I knew the useless word was coming. Is all this mess about us losing 1 game coming from a bunch that has lost 4???? We will see if they can stop the 5A player of the year!! No one else has we;ll see.:D :D
I agree, using that phrase is useless!:D

Judson fans and bandwagon Judson fans, please don't call them useless. That just makes things worse and causes fights. Let's disagree over the X's and O's.

[Crank_It]

now look what you've done lonny!:D haha, my prediction is judson by 7

[lonny23]

I am seriously thinking about it. With Lufkin and SLC being as far away as they are. This game sounds very tempting. Last time I was at a Judson state title game, a state record for most points scored by a winning team was accomplished (only to have our cross town rivals top that record by 1 pt the following year).
You're bad luck and you're welcome to stay away!:D You're also welcome to not post for a week after telling me I was right!:p

[RocketQB]

i can live with 11 turnovers (im sure judson has close to or more than that)

judsons d might be better than trinity's, i havent seen so i dont know.

trinity doesn't really punt at all, so saying they dont punt well is a non-factor.

trinity's special teams has been solid all year. no huge plays (other than when kickoffs go dimitri's way), but not many negative plays either

trinity's D has scored 2 touchdowns of their own, and forced 26 turnovers, which isn't shabby either.

trinity doesnt really kick, but when the kicker is called upon he makes his kicks (1/1!)

you're insulting the haka? what does that have to do with anything once game starts?

finally, judson beat westfield WITHOUT THEIR BEST PLAYER DURING THE SECOND HALF.

why dont you talk up how good judson is instead of trying to bash trinity. people keep overlooking....THEY LOST 4 TIMES THIS YEAR. trinity BARELY lost ONCE. why does that always seem to be forgotten?

You say Judson beat Westfield without their best player during the second half. Well, injuries happen! Not taking anything away from Beasley because he is a great player; however, he did not move the ball when he was in the game. Westfield did not score until after the backup came in. Also, you say people overlook the fact that Judson lost 4 times this year? No one overlooked that fact. It's part of the record. I can say this. During those 4 loses, Judson had anywhere from 6 to 13 players out during those games. They just never use "not having their starters" as an excuse when they lose. Now everyone is back and they are back on their game. Finally, you say Trinity barely lost once, well a "barely" lost is still a lost, right?

[lonny23]

Damn Trojan..........thats a pretty impressive post:cool: . Well just have to see what lonny has to say when gets back to the boards.:D
I read that yesterday. Nance is a great back. I still say he won't run all over Judson like those other teams. Judson just flat-out has a better defense than those DFW teams.

[lonny23]

now look what you've done lonny!:D haha, my prediction is judson by 7
Hey, I was reading a bunch of stuff about how they're going to beat us by 20, score more than 40, etc. and I had to pull a Fox News and be, "Fair and Balanced!":p

[farmerfan]

Slow start was not meant to be whether they scored first or not. I was just saying their play in the first half doesn't match some of the 2nd half efforts. You want to play good after halftime, but they've needed it a fair number of times.

Maybe they can't be stopped. I think Judson has a better defense than SGP. It wasn't an accident they held that Westfield bunch to almost 300 yards under their average. Westfield scored a lot this year in many ways and got 7 off of their offense and 7 more on a punt return that should've never counted because of a clip.


how do you know a clip should have been called? your litterally half way around the world and their are no television broadcast of semifinal games. That statement right there is just laughable.

You think Judson has a better defense than SGP? how would you know being out in k-stan? tell me which SGP game did you see? how can you judge someone when you have yet to even see them play?

[farmerfan]

Slow start was not meant to be whether they scored first or not. I was just saying their play in the first half doesn't match some of the 2nd half efforts. You want to play good after halftime, but they've needed it a fair number of times.

Maybe they can't be stopped. I think Judson has a better defense than SGP. It wasn't an accident they held that Westfield bunch to almost 300 yards under their average. Westfield scored a lot this year in many ways and got 7 off of their offense and 7 more on a punt return that should've never counted because of a clip.


Minus the AMC game there play in the 1st half has been exceptional. They had over 20 at the half against Ridge, they had 42 at hte half agaisnt PESH, they had around 50 at the half against Franklin. I have no idea where you are getting this wild idea of they get off to slow starts from. Once again showing how your information is very skewed.

[farmerfan]

I'll be 100% honest with you. Champ asked right after the SW game who I thought would win and I made some comments about Judson winning, but I thought they might lose. When I started digging into stuff, I came to the conclusion, "There's no way they're going to lose." I know it's football and weird stuff happens, etc. but I honestly don't see how ET will beat a more well-rounded team. In the State Finals, you have to have more to go on than an offense that just pummels people.

More well rounded? What exactly is it about Judson that makes them a more well rounded team than Trinity or anyone they have played? I love how you seem to be overlooking other factors as Judson's offense plays into the strentgth of Trinity's defense. Trinity is very good at stopping the run. Its not like Judson is some kind of pass happy team. Trinity has stopped any team this year that ran the football.
You want to talk about well rounded. Trinity's offense is very well rounded. With Nance having the season he is having, most people tend to forget how good Lederrick Handy is. This guy has also rushed for 1000 yards averaging no more than 10 carries a game. He is a big weapon that is in my mind a better back than Nance. He is quicker and stronger and will flat run you over. Trinity also has a very capable QB in Trevor Vittatoe who has a outstanding arm and makes great defcisions. He has a good TE, as well as a few good receivers to throw to. Trinity has killed just about everyone they have played this year with the pass. By doing this, you cant just crowd the line of scrimmage and expect to stop their offense. Once you realize you have to respect the pass, they wiill bust another big running play on you.
Keep believing that all Trinity is, is a offense that just pummels people, of course not having seen them play at all this year, I would expect you to state false claims about them. Doesnt shock me one bit.

[farmerfan]

I read that yesterday. Nance is a great back. I still say he won't run all over Judson like those other teams. Judson just flat-out has a better defense than those DFW teams.


PESH, SGP, I-Mac and DeSoto all have good defenses. That is purely opinion on your part to say Judson has a better defense than those DFW teams. Also Trinity ran wild on both Midland and Tyler Lee as well as wore down Consol while Nance racked up another 200 yard rushing day. Coach Lineweaver is a offensive genius, he will have this offense ready for anything and everything Judson will throw at them this week.

[TrojanHorse03]

First of all o I want to thank u Lonny for what u are doing, so don't take my comments about u not seeing the 2 teams as much the wrong way. Let me say even though I'm a strong Trinity backer let me clear up a few things. Westfield losing their QB was big, but I kept hearing about how Iraq didnt have weapons of mass destruction but Westfield sure did. Judson's defense is good, Westfield's "loaded" offense shouldn't of completely folded as as result of the loss of Beasley. Come playoff time injuries happen and you must account for them. Judson defense believe it or not no, hot air is better and certainly faster than SGP. The theme of this week is saving their best game for last and taking their game to yet another level and show how much we grown since SGP. By the way Lonny I'm gonna warn u of this one more time like Moses to pharoah, the misconceptions of Trinity will work in our favor again. I was nice enough to provide u with heights and weights, if Judson underestimates the athleticism of our offensive line and that they just lean on people at the snap of the people, the rockets will be on their @ss! Also our defense and special teams is championship caliber as well, I don't even care if you think they are weak, becasue thats what everybody's been thinking :D , c my point now, there going to be weak untill the finish the job. Great Evaluator could u do them a favor and provide them with a link to insidehighschoolfootball so at the very least the can see how fast those icebergs are getting to the next level.

[lonny23]

how do you know a clip should have been called? your litterally half way around the world and their are no television broadcast of semifinal games. That statement right there is just laughable.

You think Judson has a better defense than SGP? how would you know being out in k-stan? tell me which SGP game did you see? how can you judge someone when you have yet to even see them play?
I have my sources.;) Don't go Johnnie Cochran on me!;)

[lonny23]

Minus the AMC game there play in the 1st half has been exceptional. They had over 20 at the half against Ridge, they had 42 at hte half agaisnt PESH, they had around 50 at the half against Franklin. I have no idea where you are getting this wild idea of they get off to slow starts from. Once again showing how your information is very skewed.
They've played 14 games. I'm not just talking about the playoffs. I listened to that Franklin game on the radio and they didn't score 50 at the half in my time zone!:p They got 35 points in the 3rd quarter.:D

[lonny23]

More well rounded? What exactly is it about Judson that makes them a more well rounded team than Trinity or anyone they have played? I love how you seem to be overlooking other factors as Judson's offense plays into the strentgth of Trinity's defense. Trinity is very good at stopping the run. Its not like Judson is some kind of pass happy team. Trinity has stopped any team this year that ran the football.
You want to talk about well rounded. Trinity's offense is very well rounded. With Nance having the season he is having, most people tend to forget how good Lederrick Handy is. This guy has also rushed for 1000 yards averaging no more than 10 carries a game. He is a big weapon that is in my mind a better back than Nance. He is quicker and stronger and will flat run you over. Trinity also has a very capable QB in Trevor Vittatoe who has a outstanding arm and makes great defcisions. He has a good TE, as well as a few good receivers to throw to. Trinity has killed just about everyone they have played this year with the pass. By doing this, you cant just crowd the line of scrimmage and expect to stop their offense. Once you realize you have to respect the pass, they wiill bust another big running play on you.
Keep believing that all Trinity is, is a offense that just pummels people, of course not having seen them play at all this year, I would expect you to state false claims about them. Doesnt shock me one bit.
Hey, I know exactly how many yards they have in the air. They don't throw a lot, but get like 20 yards an attempt. They do pound you and throw some. I said nothing wrong. I believe in being responsible for my word. I'm not a fly-by-night guy around here. I don't make picks on games without doing some research before talking. Yes, I say stuff in passing sometimes, but when I start giving reasons for a team to win and stuff, you know I went back to analyze a little.

[TrojanHorse03]

They've played 14 games. I'm not just talking about the playoffs. I listened to that Franklin game on the radio and they didn't score 50 at the half in my time zone!:p They got 35 points in the 3rd quarter.:D

It was 21 in the first half vs. Franklin. 56 vs. Midland Lee. 50 vs. Irving.
35 vs GP. And 42 vs. PESH. If I wasn't so lazy I'd do that math on what the average score is in the first quarter and first half, but i can say with confidence we average around 20 or more points in the first half. But here's my question ur suggesting that Trinity starts slow, but are u suggesting the Judson starts faster :D. LOL Trinity honestly might average in the first half, more than half as much as Judson does over the course of entire game this year. But I will say this the game will be interesting. Having studied Judson on tape the thing thats sticks with me is a ton of speed on both sides of the ball. I will sing the honest truth though, Judson's defense is better and faster than SGP, and our offense couldnt love it more. They are anxious to show how much they have grown since SGP. I think the 4 underrated units in this game, the trinity defense, the judson, offense, and both special team units will also provided some memorable battles.

[lonny23]

PESH, SGP, I-Mac and DeSoto all have good defenses. That is purely opinion on your part to say Judson has a better defense than those DFW teams. Also Trinity ran wild on both Midland and Tyler Lee as well as wore down Consol while Nance racked up another 200 yard rushing day. Coach Lineweaver is a offensive genius, he will have this offense ready for anything and everything Judson will throw at them this week.
All I know is this is what Judson gave up yard wise in these games this year:

Cove 242
SV 153
Westfield 113

THAT'S why I said they have a better defense. Those are top teams!

[farmerfan]

Hey, I know exactly how many yards they have in the air. They don't throw a lot, but get like 20 yards an attempt. They do pound you and throw some. I said nothing wrong. I believe in being responsible for my word. I'm not a fly-by-night guy around here. I don't make picks on games without doing some research before talking. Yes, I say stuff in passing sometimes, but when I start giving reasons for a team to win and stuff, you know I went back to analyze a little.

Well then please inform me on how Judson is more well rounded than Trinity? Tell me who at QB for Judson can throw the football as good as Trevor Vittatoe? Does Judson have a two headed monster in the backfield that has yet to be stopped this year?
The one are Judson has a advantage on Trinity is on the defensive side of the football, however it is not a large advantage. Trinity is a good defensive football team and as I stated above the strentghs of Judson play right into the hands of this Trinity offense.
Where the big difference lies is in the offense. Trinity has a huge advantage over Judson on the offensive side of the ball. Trinity has more weapons and they use them adequately. But then again I guess reading newspapers and listening to the radio qualifies you as a great judge on outcomes of games.
You have done nothing to prove you analyzed why Judson is going to win. It is your opinion on thinking Judson will win, however it shows pure hommerism to suggest Judson will beat Trinity 24-7, suggesting that score shows to me you have not done much research.

[farmerfan]

All I know is this is what Judson gave up yard wise in these games this year:

Cove 242
SV 153
Westfield 113

THAT'S why I said they have a better defense. Those are top teams!

That same SV team who made it to the finals didnt even crack 100 yards of total offense against Carroll.

[TrojanHorse03]

Well then please inform me on how Judson is more well rounded than Trinity? Tell me who at QB for Judson can throw the football as good as Trevor Vittatoe? Does Judson have a two headed monster in the backfield that has yet to be stopped this year?
The one are Judson has a advantage on Trinity is on the defensive side of the football, however it is not a large advantage. Trinity is a good defensive football team and as I stated above the strentghs of Judson play right into the hands of this Trinity offense.
Where the big difference lies is in the offense. Trinity has a huge advantage over Judson on the offensive side of the ball. Trinity has more weapons and they use them adequately. But then again I guess reading newspapers and listening to the radio qualifies you as a great judge on outcomes of games.
You have done nothing to prove you analyzed why Judson is going to win. It is your opinion on thinking Judson will win, however it shows pure hommerism to suggest Judson will beat Trinity 24-7, suggesting that score shows to me you have not done much research.

Yeah my only problem is your evidence to suggest Judson is more well rounded than Trinity, is well...LACKING.

[lonny23]

First of all o I want to thank u Lonny for what u are doing, so don't take my comments about u not seeing the 2 teams as much the wrong way. Let me say even though I'm a strong Trinity backer let me clear up a few things. Westfield losing their QB was big, but I kept hearing about how Iraq didnt have weapons of mass destruction but Westfield sure did. Judson's defense is good, Westfield's "loaded" offense shouldn't of completely folded as as result of the loss of Beasley. Come playoff time injuries happen and you must account for them. Judson defense believe it or not no, hot air is better and certainly faster than SGP. The theme of this week is saving their best game for last and taking their game to yet another level and show how much we grown since SGP. By the way Lonny I'm gonna warn u of this one more time like Moses to pharoah, the misconceptions of Trinity will work in our favor again. I was nice enough to provide u with heights and weights, if Judson underestimates the athleticism of our offensive line and that they just lean on people at the snap of the people, the rockets will be on their @ss! Also our defense and special teams is championship caliber as well, I don't even care if you think they are weak, becasue thats what everybody's been thinking :D , c my point now, there going to be weak untill the finish the job. Great Evaluator could u do them a favor and provide them with a link to insidehighschoolfootball so at the very least the can see how fast those icebergs are getting to the next level.
I don't think you guys have a weak defense, but there will be a meeting in the middle. Judson has a great defense and you have a great offense. There's a good chance we can't keep the same numbers on defense as some games, but you guys won't put up the same offensive numbers as usual, either. Since you won't have the ball as much, your defense will look worse than normal, but not terrible. I see it all adding up to a Judson win and it's fine you don't. You're doing a pretty good job discussing the game.

I don't want anybody to think I'm saying that your guys can't move because it's obvious they can. You can run with brute strength, but you guys obviously have a little more because you pass block good enough to throw the ball down the field on occasion.

[TrojanHorse03]

I don't think you guys have a weak defense, but there will be a meeting in the middle. Judson has a great defense and you have a great offense. There's a good chance we can't keep the same numbers on defense as some games, but you guys won't put up the same offensive numbers as usual, either. Since you won't have the ball as much, your defense will look worse than normal, but not terrible. I see it all adding up to a Judson win and it's fine you don't. You're doing a pretty good job discussing the game.

I don't want anybody to think I'm saying that your guys can't move because it's obvious they can. You can run with brute strength, but you guys obviously have a little more because you pass block good enough to throw the ball down the field on occasion.

I actually agree with that statement. This game will be won in preparation, who can play above and beyond what they have done all year.

[lonny23]

It was 21 in the first half vs. Franklin. 56 vs. Midland Lee. 50 vs. Irving.
35 vs GP. And 42 vs. PESH. If I wasn't so lazy I'd do that math on what the average score is in the first quarter and first half, but i can say with confidence we average around 20 or more points in the first half. But here's my question ur suggesting that Trinity starts slow, but are u suggesting the Judson starts faster :D. LOL Trinity honestly might average in the first half, more than half as much as Judson does over the course of entire game this year. But I will say this the game will be interesting. Having studied Judson on tape the thing thats sticks with me is a ton of speed on both sides of the ball. I will sing the honest truth though, Judson's defense is better and faster than SGP, and our offense couldnt love it more. They are anxious to show how much they have grown since SGP. I think the 4 underrated units in this game, the trinity defense, the judson, offense, and both special team units will also provided some memorable battles.
Good post. I never said it before, but I'm banking on our speed beating your strength.

[my3sons]

If you flip the teams, I would agree.

I don't think Judson will win it.
I don't think Katy will lose it.
I do think that SLC will crumble.


What makes you think SLC will crumble? Was it the previous 61 wins or the 1 loss in 62 games?

[lonny23]

Well then please inform me on how Judson is more well rounded than Trinity? Tell me who at QB for Judson can throw the football as good as Trevor Vittatoe? Does Judson have a two headed monster in the backfield that has yet to be stopped this year?
The one are Judson has a advantage on Trinity is on the defensive side of the football, however it is not a large advantage. Trinity is a good defensive football team and as I stated above the strentghs of Judson play right into the hands of this Trinity offense.
Where the big difference lies is in the offense. Trinity has a huge advantage over Judson on the offensive side of the ball. Trinity has more weapons and they use them adequately. But then again I guess reading newspapers and listening to the radio qualifies you as a great judge on outcomes of games.
You have done nothing to prove you analyzed why Judson is going to win. It is your opinion on thinking Judson will win, however it shows pure hommerism to suggest Judson will beat Trinity 24-7, suggesting that score shows to me you have not done much research.
There's another thing you're not considering and that's who Trinity is playing. I can give you stats and a bunch of other stuff, but the fact remains that Judson finds ways to win games. They make plays when they need to. You don't know where it's coming from.

[}THS{LaNcEr]

i just wanna know, mr. 24-7.

where will your precious rockets be getting 24 points from?

wait...let me get this straight...you're saying that their offense is going to get 24 points?

well now that's silly.
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There's another thing you're not considering and that's who Trinity is playing. I can give you stats and a bunch of other stuff, but the fact remains that Judson finds ways to win games. They make plays when they need to. You don't know where it's coming from.


please...please...put up stats. in the legal world, your argument is worthless because you base it on opinions and empty statements. use numbers to reinforce your theory.

[TrojanHorse03]

Good post. I never said it before, but I'm banking on our speed beating your strength.

Only one problem, thats what everybdy thought the battle is versus Trinity. Trinity has plenty of strength, but the most overall athletcism I've ever seen at Trinity. Judson has more speed on either side of the ball than us and any team we've played this year. But much like UT were not a fun team to play on both sides of the ball, cause both of our lines are just plain nasty. Many speedy teams have just got worn to a nub by us.

[lonny23]

That same SV team who made it to the finals didnt even crack 100 yards of total offense against Carroll.
If we're talking about last year, SLC still had to score 10 in the 4th to win by 3. It doesn't matter what the numbers said that game. I'm a numbers guy, but they aren't everything and that's especially true for Judson, SV, and Katy.

[lonny23]

Yeah my only problem is your evidence to suggest Judson is more well rounded than Trinity, is well...LACKING.
OK, you guys are heavier. That should make you more well-rounded!:p

[lonny23]

What makes you think SLC will crumble? Was it the previous 61 wins or the 1 loss in 62 games?
I started a thread about 3 games and this discussion died for some reason. I don't see them crumbling. Those guys are HARD to beat.

[lonny23]

i just wanna know, mr. 24-7.

where will your precious rockets be getting 24 points from?

wait...let me get this straight...you're saying that their offense is going to get 24 points?

well now that's silly.
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please...please...put up stats. in the legal world, your argument is worthless because you base it on opinions and empty statements. use numbers to reinforce your theory.
They'll get at least 1 TD off of a return and I bet they pass for a TD, too. All I need is 1 more TD and a FG.

[farmerfan]

There's another thing you're not considering and that's who Trinity is playing. I can give you stats and a bunch of other stuff, but the fact remains that Judson finds ways to win games. They make plays when they need to. You don't know where it's coming from.

And who is Judson playing? Trinity has played just as many solid football teams as Judson has. You benefited from a cake walk to the state semifinals, so dont come on here talking to me like Trinity has played a soft schedult while Judson was rolling top competition. Fact is Trinity just beat AMC by a larger margin than anyone in their district did and that includes Cove. I guess Trinity doesnt find ways to win games. I guess Judson is the only team to ever make a state championship game who finds way to win games, in fact they are the only team to ever make it to a title game with a winning record because they find ways to win games. They are also the only team who has ever made plays when they needed to. All other teams just fold and dont know how to win games or make plays. Thanks for the information I know find myself to be even smarter than I once thought.

[lonny23]

Only one problem, thats what everybdy thought the battle is versus Trinity. Trinity has plenty of strength, but the most overall athletcism I've ever seen at Trinity. Judson has more speed on either side of the ball than us and any team we've played this year. But much like UT were not a fun team to play on both sides of the ball, cause both of our lines are just plain nasty. Many speedy teams have just got worn to a nub by us.
Judson plays like I post. They just keep fighting. I've got like 3 or 4 of you guys in here right now!:D They're going to keep coming back and have the heart of a champion.

[lonny23]

And who is Judson playing? Trinity has played just as many solid football teams as Judson has. You benefited from a cake walk to the state semifinals, so dont come on here talking to me like Trinity has played a soft schedult while Judson was rolling top competition. Fact is Trinity just beat AMC by a larger margin than anyone in their district did and that includes Cove. I guess Trinity doesnt find ways to win games. I guess Judson is the only team to ever make a state championship game who finds way to win games, in fact they are the only team to ever make it to a title game with a winning record because they find ways to win games. They are also the only team who has ever made plays when they needed to. All other teams just fold and dont know how to win games or make plays. Thanks for the information I know find myself to be even smarter than I once thought.
I'm glad I can be of assistance!:D

[TrojanHorse03]

Judson plays like I post. They just keep fighting. I've got like 3 or 4 of you guys in here right now!:D They're going to keep coming back and have the heart of a champion.

You'll find out on saturday, unfortunately too late, that Trinity has had to fight for every thing they've ever got. If u guys beat us it'll because ur just better than us. JUDSON WILL NOT OUTWORK TRINITY FOR A WIN!

[bullrock]

Here's my take. Judson won't have trouble with the huge offensive line. They won't have trouble with the defensive line and our DB's will cover the receivers. We'll get some points whether it's with the defense, special teams or offense. The one achilles heal, in my mind, is Nance. I rememeber 13 years ago when we last met this team we had a running back that tore them up. They knew where the ball was going to go before it was snapped and they couldn't do anything about. Maybe a little "Deja Vu"? One thing all defenses underestimate is the ability of a great back, and Nance is one, look at his production, they are better than Jerods, is to make the play. Whether it's running around you or over you. It appears to me this kid is the show as Beasley was for WF. If, and this is a big if, we can figure out a way to neutralize him then that should make the playing field a little more even. I'm looking forward to watching this kid play. He is what our offense is missing this year.

[Jtate862003]

I will take Judson over trinity as well.........Speed kills..........Lee played trinity last year in the semis and i think this jusdson team is really similiar to lee.......

Judson 24

Trinity 17

[implacable44]

And who is Judson playing? Trinity has played just as many solid football teams as Judson has. You benefited from a cake walk to the state semifinals, so dont come on here talking to me like Trinity has played a soft schedult while Judson was rolling top competition. Fact is Trinity just beat AMC by a larger margin than anyone in their district did and that includes Cove. I guess Trinity doesnt find ways to win games. I guess Judson is the only team to ever make a state championship game who finds way to win games, in fact they are the only team to ever make it to a title game with a winning record because they find ways to win games. They are also the only team who has ever made plays when they needed to. All other teams just fold and dont know how to win games or make plays. Thanks for the information I know find myself to be even smarter than I once thought.

blah blah blah blah farmer fan - blah blah blah puke trojan 03 blah blah blah vomit gasp this lancer sigh - balh balh comit - gargle gargle puke -

that is all I can understand when you guys talk - blah blah blah HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL

give me proof -show me stats show me this -- Saturday can't come fast enough.

[TrojanHorse03]

blah blah blah blah farmer fan - blah blah blah puke trojan 03 blah blah blah vomit gasp this lancer sigh - balh balh comit - gargle gargle puke -

that is all I can understand when you guys talk - blah blah blah HUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRLLLLLLLLLLL

give me proof -show me stats show me this -- Saturday can't come fast enough.

Thats funny how selective hearing works, actually we have no compulsion to prove anythingto u, the team will take care of dat just fine. But I cant wait to ur off the message boards for a year either :D !

[TrojanHorse03]

I will take Judson over trinity as well.........Speed kills..........Lee played trinity last year in the semis and i think this jusdson team is really similiar to lee.......


Only one problem '05 Trinity is better than both of those teams that played in the semis last year. But heres to hoping the Judson football team thinks were as good as last year, so shhhh :D !

[implacable44]

Thats funny how selective hearing works, actually we have no compulsion to prove anythingto u, the team will take care of dat just fine. But I cant wait to ur off the message boards for a year either :D !

you must be ******** or something - I am no coward. Judson loses and I will be here the same - I will recognize the Trinity football team as D1 state champs with their first state championship ...ever. I might remind you of the 52-0 pounding Judson gave you last time while doing so but I will recognize your victory SHOULD it happen all the same. -as for you -I don't expect to see you for some time after we do the SEVEN.

[TrojanHorse03]

you must be ******** or something - I am no coward. Judson loses and I will be here the same - I wi