Cowboys or Raiders?

[RocketTRN]

You knew this thread was coming guys.

Dallas vs Oakland.

I think Dallas will take this one against the struggling Raiders.

Dallas 35 Oakland 21

Oakland scores on 70+ yard TD pass, interception return, and 1 good drive with a run to finish it.

[southlake thug]

I think Dallas will pull it off. But i wouldn't be suprised if the Raiders won. As the great Sean Salisbury once said, "the raiders are the best 0-3 team in the league."

[RocketTRN]

Didn't the Raiders hang with Philly yesterday?

[southlake thug]

Yeah.. Granted Philly played awful and McNabb could barely throw becasue of injuries. Oakland really isn't that bad. Just keep loosing close games to good teams.

[CoppellCowboy57]

and they had great field postion all night long...no kicker for philly...If the raiders were a good team they would have beaten the Eagle...

Random Fact did you know during WWII The stealers and eagle combined teams to make the StealGuls...

[dragons08]

raiders worst team in the nfl........oh wait didnt they say that about the 49ers, the boys SHOULD win, but if they have the mistakes last week, oakland will captalize better than san fran did

[Reaganrattler07]

Struggling Raiders?

Raiders have lost some pretty close games....Oakland will take this one.

[wide-e-wide]

Who knows?
I will say with the way the Cowboys secondary has been playing....
Having Randy Moss on your fantasy team should pay off big time.
That secondary should not be that horrible. They have a lot of talent back
there...but they sure haven't showcased any of it.

[Reaganrattler07]

Who knows?
I will say with the way the Cowboys secondary has been playing....
Having Randy Moss on your fantasy team should pay off big time.
That secondary should not be that horrible. They have a lot of talent back
there...but they sure haven't showcased any of it.

Secondary is Dallas' weakspot.....I say just throw a few long balls to Moss. It's in Oakland, right?

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah it's in Oakland. In fact the Cowboys didn't even travel back to Dallas after the game. The stayed in Oxnard and will practice there all week.

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah it's in Oakland. In fact the Cowboys didn't even travel back to Dallas after the game. The stayed in Oxnard and will practice there all week.

Heck, why not?....only a few miles away from San Fran.......for some reason I forgot about all that.

[southlake thug]

The Iggles could be in some trouble if the injuries to McNabb and Akers are as serious as they sound. So far this season, the Eagles are #1 in total offense, and #5 in total defense. Pretty solid.

[Reaganrattler07]

The Iggles could be in some trouble if the injuries to McNabb and Akers are as serious as they sound. So far this season, the Eagles are #1 in total offense, and #5 in total defense. Pretty solid.

Haha, the Iggles....but now Akers is out for the season or something, and Mcnabb looks worse and worse.....Do the Iggles have anything to back up Mcnabb?

[southlake thug]

Akers is deffinetly NOT out for the season. More like a couple of weeks. And McNabb is pretty banged up, but I would still take him over just about every QB in the league. They have a bye week in 3 weeks which should give the team a little rest.

They have Koy Detmer to back up Donovan and they also have Mike Machman. Koy went 9-9 for like 100 yds. 2 weeks ago.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Akers is deffinetly NOT out for the season. More like a couple of weeks. And McNabb is pretty banged up, but I would still take him over just about every QB in the league. They have a bye week in 3 weeks which should give the team a little rest.

They have Koy Detmer to back up Donovan and they also have Mike Machman. Koy went 9-9 for like 100 yds. 2 weeks ago.


Koy Detmer could start on some teams *coughs*, well maybe but you get the idea. Mcnabb can play hurt, hes a good QB either way, i say they should leave him out of the Dallas game so he can recover :)

[dada]

Yeah.. Granted Philly played awful and McNabb could barely throw becasue of injuries. Oakland really isn't that bad. Just keep loosing close games to good teams.
A lot of teams would be 0-3 if they played the first 3 games the Raiders have...

[Reaganrattler07]

A lot of teams would be 0-3 if they played the first 3 games the Raiders have...

Had a small comeback against the Pats at home at the season opener, lost a close one against Kansas city, and had a good comeback against Philly...I look for them to dismantle Dallas.

Akers probably isn't out for the season....but he no doubt worsened his injury.

[FootballJunkie]

Kerry Collins will look like Jim Plunket in the Super Bowl against the Cowboy secondary and Randy Moss will have a career day as Roy Williams gets burned again and again!!!! :D Raiders win by 17.

[Reaganrattler07]

Kerry Collins will look like Jim Plunket in the Super Bowl against the Cowboy secondary and Randy Moss will have a career day as Roy Williams gets burned again and again!!!! :D Raiders win by 17.

Hey, don't be dissin' mah boy Roy :rolleyes: ! Haha, he could've used an excuse against the Skins but the same thing happened in San Fran and he got burned again! Maybe they should put someone else in there....

I wonder if Roy has pictures of Santana and the other guy from San Fran in his house with bullseyes on them.

[wide-e-wide]

Kerry Collins will look like Jim Plunket in the Super Bowl against the Cowboy secondary and Randy Moss will have a career day as Roy Williams gets burned again and again!!!! :D Raiders win by 17.


A safety getting burned ...week after week...
Do you two actually watch the games? Or do you just turn it on
and do crossword puzzles?

I'm almost positive ...there isn' a receiver in the league that would call out Roy...it would be a huge mistake. Let's not lose focus...he is Roy Williams 'ya know? The same guy that was quoted as saying "I become aroused when a guy goes across the middle"

Dan Patrick laughed for 3 segments after Roy said that....

[Reaganrattler07]

A safety getting burned ...week after week...
Do you two actually watch the games? Or do you just turn it on
and do crossword puzzles?

I'm almost positive ...there isn' a receiver in the league that would call out Roy...it would be a huge mistake. Let's not lose focus...he is Roy Williams 'ya know? The same guy that was quoted as saying "I become aroused when a guy goes across the middle"

Dan Patrick laughed for 3 segments after Roy said that....

Well, apparently he doesn't learn well from a first mistake....Santana Moss. And then against the 49ers he distanced him self so much from the recievers that go deep.....I think it's time for the other Moss to have fun with Roy.

[wide-e-wide]

Do you people actually think the Cowboys would go out and pay Anthony Henry and Aaron Glenn...not to mention Terrance Newman...millions of dollars...and on game day ...have Roy Williams covering Randy Moss?
Good Lord..........have you ever actually watched a game...or what?
ROY WILLIAMS IS A SAFETY....
AND THE BOARDS GO ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE WINDOWS AGGY!

[GTown02]

I think Roy is out of position... he is a hard hitter, but he cant cover those deep routes... He should gain like 10 LBs and play Linebacker, would get his chance to kill someone every play... he would love that position better than safety...

[Reaganrattler07]

I think Roy is out of position... he is a hard hitter, but he cant cover those deep routes... He should gain like 10 LBs and play Linebacker, would get his chance to kill someone every play... he would love that position better than safety...

Whenever a ball goes deep it is the Safety's job to cover him, the Cornerback goes along with it as a backup (in the long situation). But the safety covers long recievers or if he sees a run, drop in and tackle. I'd take Sean Taylor over Roy any day.

[wide-e-wide]

That is correct...but if the corner is covering the man ...and he gets past him....THE FREAKIN' CORNER GOT BURNED....NOT THE SAFETY!

and Sean Taylor over Roy Williams...surely there is somewhere in San Antonio that could give you some help with your addiction to crack.
That is just dumb.

[Reaganrattler07]

That is correct...but if the corner is covering the man ...and he gets past him....THE FREAKIN' CORNER GOT BURNED....NOT THE SAFETY!

and Sean Taylor over Roy Williams...surely there is somewhere in San Antonio that could give you some help with your addiction to crack.
That is just dumb.

Well when the Cowboys were like 3rd and 8, Bledsoe threw it to Crayton and Sean hit Crayton so hard the ball popped out whereas Roy fell asleep on two plays that were nearly alike that cost the "Boys" the game....

Advantage----> Sean Taylor

And i don't think Roy hits as hard as Taylor does.

[GTown02]

Whenever a ball goes deep it is the Safety's job to cover him, the Cornerback goes along with it as a backup (in the long situation). But the safety covers long recievers or if he sees a run, drop in and tackle. I'd take Sean Taylor over Roy any day.
Maybe you didnt read what I said... I said he should NOT play safety... he should gain some LBs and play Linebacker... he would be happier there, getting the chance to kill someone every play. :eek: He tries too hard to obliterate someone isntead of trying to make the tackle, and he has a hard time covering the deep balls.

[RocketTRN]

Had a small comeback against the Pats at home at the season opener, lost a close one against Kansas city, and had a good comeback against Philly...I look for them to dismantle Dallas.

Akers probably isn't out for the season....but he no doubt worsened his injury.

Dude, Kansas City got beat by the Broncos pretty bad. I don't know what the final was, but it was 30-3 when I turned it off. Dallas will win unless the secondary gives up some long ones again.

[wide-e-wide]

It will never happen. Darren Woodson was a linebacker at Arizona St.
He played safety his entire career in the NFL.
The Cowboys didn't draft Roy Williams for pass coverage. They drafted him because he knocks people into the middle of next week. And he is the best safety in the league.
Either that or the whole...Pro Bowl thing is just a joke.

[GoOwls]

Whenever a ball goes deep it is the Safety's job to cover him, the Cornerback goes along with it as a backup (in the long situation). But the safety covers long recievers or if he sees a run, drop in and tackle. I'd take Sean Taylor over Roy any day.

I read this thread and decided to go back and review the long plays of the last two weeks against the Cowboys secondary. In each case there were 3 or 4 receivers running intermediate or deep patterns. In each case, one of the underneath guys blew a coverage, or a corner got beat, leaving the 2 safeties to choose between 3 or 4 receivers to cover. By the time the QB threw the ball to the most open receiver, it was too late for the safety in the zone to make the coverage. In fact, in one case, Williams had to choose between 3 receivers in a split second, and it was just enough for the 49ers. receiver to get by.

Conclusion: Yes Roy Williams is out of place in deep coverage, however, in each case noted by the self proclaimed experts on this board, Williams was put in a position to cover 2 or more recievers due to blown underneath coverage, and with the talent in this league, 1 can't cover 2 or more. Any capable QB will easily disect that kind of blown coverage. The Cowboys need to shore up the underneath stuff in their nickel package and corners if this problem is to stop.

Willaims was like the little boy with his finger in the dike and there were more holes than he could plug up.

Also Skins, you ever heard of man-on-man coverage? It's a very popular means of covering outside receivers. Cornerbacks in "Man" coverage are responsible for their outside receiver, releasing the safety in his zone to cover inside receivers or play the run. It was obvious in half of the cases that Henry was in "Man" coverage and blew it and in one case, the nickel safety blew his deep responsibility. The fact that Williams came in late made him appear to be beaten in the coverage, but in reality, his responsibility was inside and he was only reacting to a play that the other guys blew.

If you need any more lessons in Football 101, let me know.

[wide-e-wide]

Hey..hey....this a a PG board GoOwls...

[Reaganrattler07]

Maybe you didnt read what I said... I said he should NOT play safety... he should gain some LBs and play Linebacker... he would be happier there, getting the chance to kill someone every play. :eek: He tries too hard to obliterate someone isntead of trying to make the tackle, and he has a hard time covering the deep balls.

Yeah, I know you said he needed to be repositioned......maybe your right but I obviously don't follow the Cowboys too much. But enough to know that Roy isn't that good of a safety.

As for Oakland...I still say they'll beat Dallas.

I don't see how a Pro Bowler can have this happen twice within a minute.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y10/vegeta613/hp9-19-05oo.jpg

[Reaganrattler07]

I read this thread and decided to go back and review the long plays of the last two weeks against the Cowboys secondary. In each case there were 3 or 4 receivers running intermediate or deep patterns. In each case, one of the underneath guys blew a coverage, or a corner got beat, leaving the 2 safeties to choose between 3 or 4 receivers to cover. By the time the QB threw the ball to the most open receiver, it was too late for the safety in the zone to make the coverage. In fact, in one case, Williams had to choose between 3 receivers in a split second, and it was just enough for the 49ers. receiver to get by.

Conclusion: Yes Roy Williams is out of place in deep coverage, however, in each case noted by the self proclaimed experts on this board, Williams was put in a position to cover 2 or more recievers due to blown underneath coverage, and with the talent in this league, 1 can't cover 2 or more. Any capable QB will easily disect that kind of blown coverage. The Cowboys need to shore up the underneath stuff in their nickel package and corners if this problem is to stop.

Willaims was like the little boy with his finger in the dike and there were more holes than he could plug up.


Well, if he's so good of a Safety, he should be reading the quarterback's eyes....last time I remember (and I did only see it once) he was lookin' at that reciever all along. Sure he's a good player...otherwise he wouldn't be playing in the NFL....but from what I've seen he obviously can't cover the long ball too well.

[FootballJunkie]

A safety getting burned ...week after week...
Do you two actually watch the games? Or do you just turn it on
and do crossword puzzles?

I'm almost positive ...there isn' a receiver in the league that would call out Roy...it would be a huge mistake. Let's not lose focus...he is Roy Williams 'ya know? The same guy that was quoted as saying "I become aroused when a guy goes across the middle"

Dan Patrick laughed for 3 segments after Roy said that....

If he gets aroused when someone goes across the middle then it looks like he needs Viagra when someone goes deep because he is playing pretty limp in that regard.

[RocketTRN]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/IRV11209200323.jpg
Why does Glenn look like he isn't even trying when Sean Taylor (who happens to be a safety) looks like he is running as hard as he can?

Yeah, you guys forgot about that flea-flicker.

[Reaganrattler07]

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/IRV11209200323.jpg
Why does Glenn look like he isn't even trying when Sean Taylor (who happens to be a safety) looks like he is running as hard as he can?

Yeah, you guys forgot about that flea-flicker.

Only difference is, like I said earlier, Sean learned after that mistake. And besides, it was a trick play....your ONLY touchdown came off a trick play.

[wide-e-wide]

And everybody knows you only get 1 point for trick plays...Only real plays get you 6 points.

And by the way...the entire 'Skins defense fell for it.

[Reaganrattler07]

And everybody knows you only get 1 point for trick plays...Only real plays get you 6 points.

And by the way...the entire 'Skins defense fell for it.

trick (trk) n.

1. An act or procedure intended to achieve an end by deceptive or fraudulent means. See Synonyms at wile.
2. A mischievous action; a prank.

Hence the trick play....Y'all take shots at our offense but the only thing your offense could achieve (without a trick play) is 2 field goals and one missed one.

[RocketTRN]

trick (trk) n.

1. An act or procedure intended to achieve an end by deceptive or fraudulent means. See Synonyms at wile.
2. A mischievous action; a prank.

Hence the trick play....Y'all take shots at our offense but the only thing your offense could achieve (without a trick play) is 2 field goals and one missed one.

HAHA, YOUR Defense got PRANKED.

[RocketTRN]

Oh wait, Glenn IS working hard. He is modeling that beatiful Throwback jersey.

[Reaganrattler07]

HAHA, YOUR Defense got PRANKED.

HAHA, YOUR Team also lost.

[RocketTRN]

HAHA, YOUR Team also lost.

HAHA, oh crap you have a point.

[Reaganrattler07]

HAHA, oh crap you have a point.

Yeah.....I'm kinda anxious to see the game between Skins and Seahawks....as for the Raiders....I still kinda think they're gonna win. It'll be close but I think the Raiders will pull it out....

[ThEgReAtOnE]

A safety getting burned ...week after week...
Do you two actually watch the games? Or do you just turn it on
and do crossword puzzles?

I'm almost positive ...there isn' a receiver in the league that would call out Roy...it would be a huge mistake. Let's not lose focus...he is Roy Williams 'ya know? The same guy that was quoted as saying "I become aroused when a guy goes across the middle"

Dan Patrick laughed for 3 segments after Roy said that....

That's my boy Roy!!!

Yap...I remember back in them OU/UT days! [sighs] :D

Oh, anyways Dallas will win 28-17.

[Reaganrattler07]

That's my boy Roy!!!

Yap...I remember back in them OU/UT days! [sighs] :D

Oh, anyways Dallas will win 28-17.

I say Oakland...28-17.

[lonny23]

and they had great field postion all night long...no kicker for philly...If the raiders were a good team they would have beaten the Eagle...

Random Fact did you know during WWII The stealers and eagle combined teams to make the StealGuls...
They were the Steagles and were terrible. They fought over who would be coach and as bad they were, they should've been called the Seagulls! :D

If you don't understand the joke, you've never been around seagulls.

[lonny23]

Heck, why not?....only a few miles away from San Fran.......for some reason I forgot about all that.
Oxnard is over 300 miles from SF, but it makes sense for them to stay out there.

[lonny23]

A safety getting burned ...week after week...
Do you two actually watch the games? Or do you just turn it on
and do crossword puzzles?

I'm almost positive ...there isn' a receiver in the league that would call out Roy...it would be a huge mistake. Let's not lose focus...he is Roy Williams 'ya know? The same guy that was quoted as saying "I become aroused when a guy goes across the middle"

Dan Patrick laughed for 3 segments after Roy said that....
Roy loves to light guys up. You better run deep if you have to go up against Roy. I know they don't want to come across the middle.

[lonny23]

Kerry Collins will look like Jim Plunket in the Super Bowl against the Cowboy secondary and Randy Moss will have a career day as Roy Williams gets burned again and again!!!! :D Raiders win by 17.
The Raiders won't win by 17 or at all. Moss can and has lit Dallas up, but I'll take the Cowboys. Dallas finally has an offense that can keep up with Moss.

[lonny23]

I think Roy is out of position... he is a hard hitter, but he cant cover those deep routes... He should gain like 10 LBs and play Linebacker, would get his chance to kill someone every play... he would love that position better than safety...
I can't argue with that. He's better suited as a LB than safety.

[lonny23]

Well when the Cowboys were like 3rd and 8, Bledsoe threw it to Crayton and Sean hit Crayton so hard the ball popped out whereas Roy fell asleep on two plays that were nearly alike that cost the "Boys" the game....

Advantage----> Sean Taylor

And i don't think Roy hits as hard as Taylor does.
I don't pay a lot of attention to Sean Taylor, but I'm pretty sure Roy hits harder. That dude hits HARD!

[CoppellCowboy57]

*runns across the middle of the field* BOOM

thank you...


Anway...

A trick play is ment to trick a team yes. But teams should be ready for that...i mean the trick play they used, was one of the oldest trick plays in the book... i mean sirously it was a hb pass, it wasnt a reverse, come on now...your supposed to stay at home make sure its not a trick play...Now i would have droped that ball Glenn Caught...but thats because I cant catch worth anything

[lonny23]

*runns across the middle of the field* BOOM

thank you...


Anway...

A trick play is ment to trick a team yes. But teams should be ready for that...i mean the trick play they used, was one of the oldest trick plays in the book... i mean sirously it was a hb pass, it wasnt a reverse, come on now...your supposed to stay at home make sure its not a trick play...Now i would have droped that ball Glenn Caught...but thats because I cant catch worth anything
The thing about trick plays is they're designed to give you a temporary advantage. You still have to win the game with a traditional offense. Sometimes a trick play is put in just to set up another play later on and vice-versa. I've always said to stay at home and expect the pass until you know they're past the line of scrimmage and have to run.

[Reaganrattler07]

The Raiders won't win by 17 or at all. Moss can and has lit Dallas up, but I'll take the Cowboys. Dallas finally has an offense that can keep up with Moss.

Well, if Randy is better than Santana, guess they can't keep up with him :D

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Well, if Randy is better than Santana, guess they can't keep up with him :D

Randy and TO are the best in the NFL!!


Redskins88 make your pick for this week!! Survivor Football!!

[Reaganrattler07]

The thing about trick plays is they're designed to give you a temporary advantage. You still have to win the game with a traditional offense. Sometimes a trick play is put in just to set up another play later on and vice-versa. I've always said to stay at home and expect the pass until you know they're past the line of scrimmage and have to run.

Very true...and their offense managed two field goals...

And Taylor (the guy supposed to cover the reciever) figured it was a trick play but he couldn't turn around fast enough, lost his footing and Glenn(?) was able to get a few steps ahead....but Taylor made up for it with that hit on Crayton! :D

[Reaganrattler07]

Randy and TO are the best in the NFL!!


Redskins88 make your pick for this week!! Survivor Football!!

How does that work? i jsut choose a team and if i lose, i'm outta the game?

[Reaganrattler07]

I also like your sig Lonny...and no, they don't take my computer away....I've actually never got grounded....

[RocketTRN]

I also like your sig Lonny...and no, they don't take my computer away....I've actually never got grounded....

The funny thing about that video in your sig is that you can clearly see Taylor hitting the ball, the ONLY reason that ball went flying as far as it did. Clinton Portis went head up with Roy Williams and fumbled the ball.

[wide-e-wide]

He also threw Brunell about 5 yards backwards...
Sean Taylor can't hold Roy's freakin' jock.
Well I guess he could if he stole it...and we all know he
has those criminal advantages.