Hip-hop's Simmons wants to remove offensive words

[TXFOOSBALL]

Russell Simmons recommended eliminating the words "*****," "ho" and "n-word" from the recording industry, considering them "extreme curse words."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/music_nm/usa_hiphop_dc

Not sure really sure that rappers will adhere to his reccomendations.

[Reaganrattler07]

If they don't then what people should do is just start using them.

If they're that offensive then they shouldn't use them.

[BlackandRed05]

If they couldnt use those words,then it would be the shortest hip hop recording ever. All you would hear on it was
BLEEEEEEEEEEEEP.

[TXFOOSBALL]

If they couldnt use those words,then it would be the shortest hip hop recording ever. All you would hear on it was
BLEEEEEEEEEEEEP.

Rap would be nothing witout those three words :rolleyes:

[Reaganrattler07]

Rap would be nothing witout those three words :rolleyes:

I don't listen to "gangsta rap" so I wouldn't tell a difference.

[BlackandRed05]

I don't listen to "gangsta rap" so I wouldn't tell a difference.

There is other rap? I know back in the early years there wasnt any words like that, but nowadays its in most all of it.

[Reaganrattler07]

There is other rap? I know back in the early years there wasnt any words like that, but nowadays its in most all of it.

Lol, like .0000001% of it isn't gangsta.

[svhorns]

Lol, like .0000001% of it isn't gangsta.

wrong... actually since the south has took over the rap game... alot of rappers are doing "snap" beats and coming up with more dancing songs...

[BlackandRed05]

Lol, like .0000001% of it isn't gangsta.

:D

[jakerz]

No one says "Nigg**", with an "r".

[svhorns]

No one says "Nigg**", with an "r".

the only time someone says it with an "R" is when they are insulting on purpose...

[Bobcat81]

No one says "Nigg**", with an "r".

What's the difference? Ebonic or no ebonics...it still says the same thing

[lonny23]

Russell Simmons recommended eliminating the words "*****," "ho" and "n-word" from the recording industry, considering them "extreme curse words."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/music_nm/usa_hiphop_dc

Not sure really sure that rappers will adhere to his reccomendations.
How about words like Southlake Carroll State Champions?

That's offensive, too!:p

[jakerz]

What's the difference? Ebonic or no ebonics...it still says the same thing

"Nigge(r)" is a black man that wears slave chains around his neck.
"Nigg(a)" is a black man that wears a gold chain around his neck.

- Tupac Shakur

[TXFOOSBALL]

"Nigge(r)" is a black man that wears slave chains around his neck.
"Nigg(a)" is a black man that wears a gold chain around his neck.

- Tupac Shakur


My black friends call each other "nigg(a)s" but they dont wear gold chains around their necks. How do you explain that. :D

[Bobcat81]

Russell Simmons recommended eliminating the words "*****," "ho" and "n-word" from the recording industry, considering them "extreme curse words."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/music_nm/usa_hiphop_dc

Not sure really sure that rappers will adhere to his reccomendations.

It's just my opinion, but i think that would be a good place to start. Rap music is one of the most violent types of music out on the world music market and is a major promotor of the attitude exhibitted in our youth today.

If they want the respect of the rest of civilized adult society, then maybe they should clean up their act. People are persuaded by what they hear and see on public networks so i think it would be a benefit to say the least, that some of it should be ban for content. Otherwise, they shouldn't be offended when someone outside the circle uses the same vocabulary or terms.

I think 90% of it should be thrown in a pile and torched

[dada]

It's just my opinion, but i think that would be a good place to start. Rap music is one of the most violent types of music out on the world music market and is a major promotor of the attitude exhibitted in our youth today.

If they want the respect of the rest of civilized adult society, then maybe they should clean up their act. People are persuaded by what they hear and see on public networks so i think it would be a benefit to say the least, that some of it should be ban for content. Otherwise, they shouldn't be offended when someone outside the circle uses the same vocabulary or terms.

I think 90% of it should be thrown in a pile and torched

I grew up "sneaking" listening to 2 Live Crew....NWA......etc. I am a product of this and I think I made it out OK. I kind of agree with Russell....it's a start. Now if someone in the rap game with noteriety(sp)....let's say Ludacris decided to make an entire album without offensive words and promotes it as that...and is sucessful in doing so....it could show that it could be done....it will eliminate all these talent-less rappers who are ruining the music. I'm not saying he would have to go "Wil Smith" on us....but Luda could probably do it and keep his street cred as well as his cross over audience. Anyone can get a nice baseline these days and yell profranities and sell records.....Rap is so watered down now that I barely listen to it....I was driving to dallas a few weeks ago and heard the same beat over and over...only the title of the song changed..."two step"...."wipe me down"...."rock your hips"...."pop, lock and drop it"......Biggie and Pac are rolling in their graves now.

and back to the N word...I use it...I know it's wrong...but I know when and where to use it. There is a double standard...yes it's wrong...but.....they way I look at it...You can call your kids ********....but if someone else does....those are fighting words. I hear women call each other the "B" word all the time, but I know I can't use that in a "non-offensive" way.....that's just how it is....the sun rises...grass is green....fish swim.

[LoneRocket]

It's just my opinion, but i think that would be a good place to start. Rap music is one of the most violent types of music out on the world music market and is a major promotor of the attitude exhibitted in our youth today.

If they want the respect of the rest of civilized adult society, then maybe they should clean up their act. People are persuaded by what they hear and see on public networks so i think it would be a benefit to say the least, that some of it should be ban for content. Otherwise, they shouldn't be offended when someone outside the circle uses the same vocabulary or terms.

I think 90% of it should be thrown in a pile and torched

There is violence, Sex and Drugs in some Rock 'n' Roll music also.

[LoneRocket]

I grew up "sneaking" listening to 2 Live Crew....NWA......etc. I am a product of this and I think I made it out OK. I kind of agree with Russell....it's a start. Now if someone in the rap game with noteriety(sp)....let's say Ludacris decided to make an entire album without offensive words and promotes it as that...and is sucessful in doing so....it could show that it could be done....it will eliminate all these talent-less rappers who are ruining the music. I'm not saying he would have to go "Wil Smith" on us....but Luda could probably do it and keep his street cred as well as his cross over audience. Anyone can get a nice baseline these days and yell profranities and sell records.....Rap is so watered down now that I barely listen to it....I was driving to dallas a few weeks ago and heard the same beat over and over...only the title of the song changed..."two step"...."wipe me down"...."rock your hips"...."pop, lock and drop it"......Biggie and Pac are rolling in their graves now.

and back to the N word...I use it...I know it's wrong...but I know when and where to use it. There is a double standard...yes it's wrong...but.....they way I look at it...You can call your kids ********....but if someone else does....those are fighting words. I hear women call each other the "B" word all the time, but I know I can't use that in a "non-offensive" way.....that's just how it is....the sun rises...grass is green....fish swim.

If the CEO’s and the Boards (not the subsidiaries) of the major music companies (Sony, EMI, CBS, etc), distribution companies and radio stations make the decision they are not going to allow the sale/play of music with those words it will stop. It will cause the local talent to change if the want to make money (that will take care of street cred) or they will do what Ice Tee had done back in the day sale music out of the of his trunk. I do not think the Boards of CBS and Sony would open up one of their meetings playing a song or video with those words in it.

[dada]

There is violence, Sex and Drugs in Rock 'n' Roll also.

On televison...in Bugs......video games....everywhere. Hip Hop is the scapegoat.

[LoneRocket]

On televison...in Bugs......video games....everywhere. Hip Hop is the scapegoat.

Desperate housewives?

[dada]

Desperate housewives?

WTF??? BUGS?? Did I write that? Hell was I thinking....I meant BOOKS?

[dada]

If the CEO’s and the Boards (not the subsidiaries) of the major music companies (Sony, EMI, CBS, etc), distribution companies and radio stations make the decision they are not going to allow the sale/play of music with those words it will stop. It will cause the local talent to change if the want to make money (that will take care of street cred) or they will do what Ice Tee had done back in the day sale music out of the of his trunk. I do not think the Boards of CBS and Sony would open up one of their meetings playing a song or video with those words in it.

That wouldnt work.....that's why they have the "explicit" sticker....The major companies will ride that until the wheels fall off.

[LoneRocket]

That wouldnt work.....that's why they have the "explicit" sticker....The major companies will ride that until the wheels fall off.

If it makes money they won't touch it.

[dada]

If it makes money they won't touch it.

I just think that it's gonna take a major Rapper to set the example...someone who is still relevant in the community and has a public appeal. If KRS-1 gets on the radio promoting an album with no offensive words...whose gonna care. It's gonna take a Luda....Nelly......Outkast type to do it. It might help the industry all the way around...it will keep the underground artist underground. Times have changed so much that being Underground is a good thing. You wil actually have to have TALENT to make it with the major companies....not just a gimmick rapper(Mike JONES!) getting a deal.

[LoneRocket]

I just think that it's gonna take a major Rapper to set the example...someone who is still relevant in the community and has a public appeal. If KRS-1 gets on the radio promoting an album with no offensive words...whose gonna care. It's gonna take a Luda....Nelly......Outkast type to do it. It might help the industry all the way around...it will keep the underground artist underground. Times have changed so much that being Underground is a good thing. You wil actually have to have TALENT to make it with the major companies....not just a gimmick rapper(Mike JONES!) getting a deal.

I remember 2 or 3 years ago when it was reported that 50 Cent’s and The Game's crew were having gun battles Rev Al Sharpton and his National Action Network told 50 Cent and The Game that his group was going to shut them down where they will never sale another record and that he was going to the FCC if they did not stop the violence. They did stop shooting at each other because they knew they would not be able to make as much money as they were use to. It can be done if they want to do it.

[pack0808]

I grew up "sneaking" listening to 2 Live Crew....NWA......etc. I am a product of this and I think I made it out OK. I kind of agree with Russell....it's a start. Now if someone in the rap game with noteriety(sp)....let's say Ludacris decided to make an entire album without offensive words and promotes it as that...and is sucessful in doing so....it could show that it could be done....it will eliminate all these talent-less rappers who are ruining the music. I'm not saying he would have to go "Wil Smith" on us....but Luda could probably do it and keep his street cred as well as his cross over audience. Anyone can get a nice baseline these days and yell profranities and sell records.....Rap is so watered down now that I barely listen to it....I was driving to dallas a few weeks ago and heard the same beat over and over...only the title of the song changed..."two step"...."wipe me down"...."rock your hips"...."pop, lock and drop it"......Biggie and Pac are rolling in their graves now.

and back to the N word...I use it...I know it's wrong...but I know when and where to use it. There is a double standard...yes it's wrong...but.....they way I look at it...You can call your kids ********....but if someone else does....those are fighting words. I hear women call each other the "B" word all the time, but I know I can't use that in a "non-offensive" way.....that's just how it is....the sun rises...grass is green....fish swim.



Great points dada

[pack75]

IMO, one rapper that doesn't use as much profanity as the others is Chamillionaire. Listen to the "Sound of Revenge" album and compare it to a 50 Cent or Eminem album(for example) and you'll see the difference.

Honestly I'd rather listen to the edited version of a CD from Wal-Mart instead of all of that unnecessary profanity. It gets old after a while.

[dada]

I remember 2 or 3 years ago when it was reported that 50 Cent’s and The Game's crew were having gun battles Rev Al Sharpton and his National Action Network told 50 Cent and The Game that his group was going to shut them down where they will never sale another record and that he was going to the FCC if they did not stop the violence. They did stop shooting at each other because they knew they would not be able to make as much money as they were use to. It can be done if they want to do it.

I don't think Many of "US" take Sharpton seriously....I think they did that just for TV.....they are right back at each others throats. Maybe that would have worked 1989-90....but Piracy, underground labels....etc....their music would have still made it out. As long as there is a market, the product, good or crappy will make it out. An OUTSIDE souurce isnt going to make this happen. It' s gonna take some one on the Inside to say "look guys, I made an album without using the "N" word...didnt' degrade one single women and I still sold 2 million records......it's time for us to grow up and change...lets get rid of all the negative images that feed into sterotypes"

[dada]

IMO, one rapper that doesn't use as much profanity as the others is Chamillionaire. Listen to the "Sound of Revenge" album and compare it to a 50 Cent or Eminem album(for example) and you'll see the difference.

Lyricaly Chamillionare=UT... 50 cent=Rice.

and for the record...Sound of revenge is one of the WORST thing Cham put out. No disrespect....but grab some of his Older CD's. Color Changing Click, Water Boy....Get your mind correct.....etc.

[pack75]

Lyricaly Chamillionare=UT... 50 cent=Rice.

and for the record...Sound of revenge is one of the WORST thing Cham put out. No disrespect....but grab some of his Older CD's. Color Changing Click, Water Boy....Get your mind correct.....etc.

LOL!:p

[pack75]

Lyricaly Chamillionare=UT... 50 cent=Rice.

and for the record...Sound of revenge is one of the WORST thing Cham put out. No disrespect....but grab some of his Older CD's. Color Changing Click, Water Boy....Get your mind correct.....etc.

Man, he needs to re-release his older albums then, cause I thought "Sound of Revenge" was pretty solid. IMO, Chamillionaire is the definition of a lyrical rapper.

[dada]

LOL!:p

Cham hands down is one of the best.

My favorite Freestyle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFOwXYJEIn0

[dada]

Man, he needs to re-release his older albums then, cause I thought "Sound of Revenge" was pretty solid. IMO, Chamillionaire is the definition of a lyrical rapper.

Which one? The one he put out or the crap Paid-n-full put out with Cham and paul?

Get your mind Correct is classic...I have BOTH versions....regular and screwed and chopped.....

[Bobcat81]

I grew up "sneaking" listening to 2 Live Crew....NWA......etc. I am a product of this and I think I made it out OK. I kind of agree with Russell....it's a start. Now if someone in the rap game with noteriety(sp)....let's say Ludacris decided to make an entire album without offensive words and promotes it as that...and is sucessful in doing so....it could show that it could be done....it will eliminate all these talent-less rappers who are ruining the music. I'm not saying he would have to go "Wil Smith" on us....but Luda could probably do it and keep his street cred as well as his cross over audience. Anyone can get a nice baseline these days and yell profranities and sell records.....Rap is so watered down now that I barely listen to it....I was driving to dallas a few weeks ago and heard the same beat over and over...only the title of the song changed..."two step"...."wipe me down"...."rock your hips"...."pop, lock and drop it"......Biggie and Pac are rolling in their graves now.

and back to the N word...I use it...I know it's wrong...but I know when and where to use it. There is a double standard...yes it's wrong...but.....they way I look at it...You can call your kids ********....but if someone else does....those are fighting words. I hear women call each other the "B" word all the time, but I know I can't use that in a "non-offensive" way.....that's just how it is....the sun rises...grass is green....fish swim.


Yes, you turned out ok Dada.

I can remember back in the late 80's when there were several young groups rising in popularity in the Houston area. One in particular that i remember (can't remember the name of the group). who had been shot in the eye and wanted himself to be photographed being wheeled into Ben Taub on a gurney just to promote his album..I thought it was just insane the things that were happening to promote the music. "DFL" happened to be another young group that tried to get a start but they all ended up being killed. The "Nickel" was just a violent place back in the 80's as was much of the rest of Houston.

Who was that group? I want to say it was the "Geto Boys" but i think i'm wrong about that.

[dada]

Yes, you turned out ok Dada.

I can remember back in the late 80's when there were several young groups rising in popularity in the Houston area. One in particular that i remember (can't remember the name of the group). who had been shot in the eye and wanted himself to be photographed being wheeled into Ben Taub on a gurney just to promote his album..I thought it was just insane the things that were happening to promote the music. "DFL" happened to be another young group that tried to get a start but they all ended up being killed. The "Nickel" was just a violent place back in the 80's as was much of the rest of Houston.

Who was that group? I want to say it was the "Geto Boys" but i think i'm wrong about that.

You are correct..Bushwick Bill shot himself in the eye and as they were rushing him to the hospital they snapped a picture and used it for an album cover. You had the Geto Boys which spawned the 5th Ward Boys and the 5th Ward juveniles.

[stevefoxsc]

Russell Simmons recommended eliminating the words "*****," "ho" and "n-word" from the recording industry, considering them "extreme curse words."


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070423/music_nm/usa_hiphop_dc

Not sure really sure that rappers will adhere to his reccomendations.

AND I MOTHER ******* AGREE!!! Ho is one thing the BeYiyatch word is another and being a partial african american the N word is just stupid now...
[taco] = B word
[Orc] = N word
[cofe] = F word
[bubble gum] = a word
Growing up mixed race puts you in compromising positions at times. If you aren't exactly black then your white, but if your black then your a [Orc]. And by being black but being called white means to follow into the urban terminology of being a [Orc]. that means

"Yo Yo ShAwTy WaT iT DoO Kin FoLk, Aye Yo My [orc] WaTs Da DaYuM DeAl HolLa AtChA bOy." [Orc] Communication's amongst others.
Good afternoon sir, do you happen to have the time? MaN Yo A wHytE bOi My [orc]

Do you think any will listen? They all know it's wrong, but as long as people continue to purchase albums. They will supply.

[Orc] Basically is to describe whose black whose your home boy everything... It's basically a culture issue that's been tried to be resolved buts yet to progress.

Now i know Hispanics go around saying "Que pasa EsE whats going on lil joker simon cardanal tell la EsE it's going down tonight holmes." But Ese isn't exactly a degrading term.

Agree with dada though women hate the word but they use it just as much when they really get pissed. OH I KNOW THAT [taco] DID NOT JUST CALL ME A [taco] I'MA BEAT THAT [taco], STUPID MOTHER[cofe] [taco].

And women do it all the time. For instance if a guy never gives a girl a time of day they run into a state of denial saying stuff like "please he only get's ho's and [tacos]." You can add sluts and whores in there too. But at the same time a girl with the guy may be saying " please that stupid [taco] is just mad cause she aint got my man, i can't stand that ho [bubble gum] [taco]."

[pack75]

Cham hands down is one of the best.

My favorite Freestyle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFOwXYJEIn0

I can't even check out the youtube link from this computer, but I'm pretty sure it's on point.

[dada]

AND I MOTHER ******* AGREE!!! Ho is one thing the BeYiyatch word is another and being a partial african american the N word is just stupid now...

Growing up mixed race puts you in compromising positions at times cause if you arent exactly black then your white but if your black then your a nIa and by being black but being called white means to follow into the urban terminology of being a nia. that means

"Yo Yo ShAwTy WaT iT DoO Kin FoLk, Aye Yo My NiA WaTs Da DaYuM DeAl HolLa AtChA bOy."

Do you think any will listen? They all know it's wrong, but as long as people continue to purchase albums. They will supple.

nIa Basically is to describe whose black and whose not in short... It's basically a culture issue that's been tried to be resolved buts yet to progress.

Now i know Hispanics go around saying "Que pasa EsE whats going on lil joker simon cardanal tell la EsE it's going down tonight holmes." But Ese isn't exactly a degrading term.

Hell yeah Ni@@a....ya feel me? "bout time a nia like russel step in a regulate in dis biatch.:D

[dada]

I can't even check out the youtube link from this computer, but I'm pretty sure it's on point.

Oooh...make sure you save that link.....you don't want to miss that one. Let me try to post the video instead of the link....KT dosent want posters posting videos....but I'm DADA....I got mind control over KT....try this:
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rFOwXYJEIn0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rFOwXYJEIn0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

[dada]

Oooh...make sure you save that link.....you don't want to miss that one. Let me try to post the video instead of the link....KT dosent want posters posting videos....but I'm DADA....I got mind control over KT....try this:
<object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rFOwXYJEIn0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rFOwXYJEIn0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"></embed></object>

didnt work....sorry....lol

[KT2000]

Is it time to bring back the dakill thread?

[dada]

Is it time to bring back the dakill thread?

Damn...someone got under my handle and posted some crap about you KT....let me find out who was at my desk.. How DARE them!

[dada]

Is it time to bring back the dakill thread?

You notice that guy never posted here again after that?....lol we showed him!

[eingedikid]

The words in question aren't nearly teh issue as much as it is the attitude, images and concepts presented at times. If some of these concepts are still going to be the content of the lyrics, it needs to be much less explicitly obvious and instead a little more subtle and tactful (kind of like how some rather "saucy" songs from the Jazz and Swing eras, and those that were done by Rock and R&B artists early on were done).

Mainstream Hip Hop needs to return to the genre's roots in the art of story-telling, spoken word and a real DJ, either that or they need to try and get some live instrumentation into the mix such as Mojoe and Bavu Blakes of the Soulful Texas Hip Hop Live Movement are doing. Those guys are actually onto something, because I thought I read a while back that even Q-Tip is now trying to assemble a jazz-type crew oflive musicians to accompany whatever rhymes he comes up with in the future. In addition to the over-emphasis in Crunk and Snap music on basically what amounts to rhymes about "the club"---a strip club basically and hence a high level of emphasis on downright pornogrghy, the over-simplified beats are probably a result of how artists have been deterred these past few years from using samples; hence a real DJ on the "wheels of steel" has gone by the wayside. Is it possible that even good Hip Hop is actually best performed only as part of a street or block party, a neo-soul type cafe or coffee house as opposed to something that can make it onto the radio, or MTV or BET? I hope not. Then again, when money drives what makes it onto the airwaves, it makes it far too easy to produce a bunch of disposable music, especially when you don't have to pay real musicians or even a DJ. And, of course, sex and violence always sells, and hence this is a necessary component of any accompanying videos, which of course must include an ample supply of "video hoes," and several members of the male species that present a very poor and demeaning portrayal of african american men as well.

Here's an interesting article
http://www.jayquan.com/hipr&b.htm

[eingedikid]

Here is a very good article framing the issue by Davey D.

http://www.thuglifearmy.com/news/?id=3627

[drgnbkr]

The words in question aren't nearly teh issue as much as it is the attitude, images and concepts presented at times. If some of these concepts are still going to be the content of the lyrics, it needs to be much less explicitly obvious and instead a little more subtle and tactful (kind of like how some rather "saucy" songs from the Jazz and Swing eras, and those that were done by Rock and R&B artists early on were done).

Mainstream Hip Hop needs to return to the genre's roots in the art of story-telling, spoken word and a real DJ, either that or they need to try and get some live instrumentation into the mix such as Mojoe and Bavu Blakes of the Soulful Texas Hip Hop Live Movement are doing. Those guys are actually onto something, because I thought I read a while back that even Q-Tip is now trying to assemble a jazz-type crew oflive musicians to accompany whatever rhymes he comes up with in the future. In addition to the over-emphasis in Crunk and Snap music on basically what amounts to rhymes about "the club"---a strip club basically and hence a high level of emphasis on downright pornogrghy, the over-simplified beats are probably a result of how artists have been deterred these past few years from using samples; hence a real DJ on the "wheels of steel" has gone by the wayside. Is it possible that even good Hip Hop is actually best performed only as part of a street or block party, a neo-soul type cafe or coffee house as opposed to something that can make it onto the radio, or MTV or BET? I hope not. Then again, when money drives what makes it onto the airwaves, it makes it far too easy to produce a bunch of disposable music, especially when you don't have to pay real musicians or even a DJ. And, of course, sex and violence always sells, and hence this is a necessary component of any accompanying videos, which of course must include an ample supply of "video hoes," and several members of the male species that present a very poor and demeaning portrayal of african american men as well.

Here's an interesting article
http://www.jayquan.com/hipr&b.htm

Man, you speak a language that is unfamiliar to me. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it appears that there is a lot to the genre besides ho's and "N" words...I personally don't like the style, but I clearly don't understand it...and maybe if I did, I would be more tolerant..

[eingedikid]

Man, you speak a language that is unfamiliar to me. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it appears that there is a lot to the genre besides ho's and "N" words...I personally don't like the style, but I clearly don't understand it...and maybe if I did, I would be more tolerant..
There's definitely much more to the genre than all that. Unfortunately, the genre has been progressively hijacked for the better part of the past 15 years or so by thug elements. And this "hijacking" is on a one-way flight of "self-destruction" unless some things change. Otherwise, the "passengers" may need to take things into their own hands in Flight 93 style. People that dislike or fear Hip Hop are almost ready and willing to shoot down the "plane" before it reaches "DC" (aka permanetly destorys the overall culture) and many of the "passengers" (aka the lovers of Hip Hop that knows its true potential for positive creativity) are more than ready at this point to storm the "cockpit" (aka the mainstream radio and music industry) if necesary and put an end to the minstrel-show non-sense of so much of the mainstream Hip Hop that makes it onto the airwaves and onto videos---even if this includes if necessary putting out of business or severely hurting the bottom line of the radio and music industry (ie, "crashing the plane near Shanksville instead of in DC").

[NSStangs#1fan]

It seems like a lot of the rap artists today aren't here to stay. They make one or 2 songs that get really big and then it's over. Dada I agree w/ u when u say we need a big name rapper to turn things around. I know Jibbs refuses to cuss in his music but sadly for him he's caught up in this swirl of the one-hit-wonders. The most recent rapper who's made it big on the airways that I can see sticking around is Cham and b4 him it was 50 @ least that I can remember. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Unfortunatly for Hip hop it has gotten itself in a sticky situation and rappers can't seem to do anything right. Gangster rap's finally got the boot @ least from the airways and after being under the lens for so many yrs. "Crunk" & "Snap" music take over and now there are other problems. Some one made a good point, hip hop is the scapegoat. Violence, sex, drugs, etc. have been portrayed in movies for years so how can we blame one w/o blaming the other?

[t-long20]

It's just my opinion, but i think that would be a good place to start. Rap music is one of the most violent types of music out on the world music market and is a major promotor of the attitude exhibitted in our youth today.

If they want the respect of the rest of civilized adult society, then maybe they should clean up their act. People are persuaded by what they hear and see on public networks so i think it would be a benefit to say the least, that some of it should be ban for content. Otherwise, they shouldn't be offended when someone outside the circle uses the same vocabulary or terms.

I think 90% of it should be thrown in a pile and torched

i feel the same way for rock music

[jakerz]

i feel the same way for rock music

Exactly.

[Bobcat81]

i feel the same way for rock music

I would have to agree. There is quite a bit of rock music out there that could stand a good dose of clorox. Stuff i wouldn't give .02 cents for nor ever care to listen too.

Some of this new style rock...if you can call it that, is just a bunch of wild strumming on a dirty guitar, with a lot of un-audible yelling into a microphone. I don't get that stuff either. But i guess it appeals to some.

Being in my mid 40's though, a lot of people my age would probably look down on that fact that i'm a huge Nickleback fan.. :rolleyes:

[AE 8008]

Rap would be nothing witout those three words :rolleyes:



rap is already nothing.