The Ags lose another commit

[jtk1519]

This is the downside to early recruiting. The Aggies have now lost 5 of their previous commits, the latest being LB Dravannti Johnson. He joins Damion Square, Britt Mitchell, Aundre Dean and Leroy Chevalier. Some of this is getting out of hand. I hope the NCAA steps in at some point.

[BlackandRed05]

This is the downside to early recruiting. The Aggies have now lost 5 of their previous commits, the latest being LB Dravannti Johnson. He joins Damion Square, Britt Mitchell, Aundre Dean and Leroy Chevalier. Some of this is getting out of hand. I hope the NCAA steps in at some point.

Why did he do that?

[jtk1519]

Why did he do that?

I don't know but he has changed his tune tremendously. When he committed to A&M he talked about bringing back the "Wrecking Crew" and now he's telling A&M he doesn't even want them pursuing him anymore. The speculation on other boards is that Johnson was under the impression the 4-2-5 defensive scheme Fran brought in last year was just a temporary thing and that as soon as the defensive recruiting picked up, they would switch to a more conventional 4-3 or even a 3-4 like A&M ran during the true Wrecking Crew days. However, Fran ran the 4-2-5 at TCU and it looks like he will stick with that defense.

To make matters worse, supposedly Johnson will be in Austin this weekend. Texas is supposed to be on the verge of offering and getting a commit from Lynn Katoa (http://www.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=62257&sport=1) from Utah and maybe even Jon Major (http://www.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=45376&sport=1) from Colorado, so I don't know where Johnson would fit into all of that.

[svfootball45]

so where is aundre dean gonna go

[exbearkat]

so where is aundre dean gonna go

Has switched his from A&M to UCLA.

[t-long20]

poor aggy

[jakerz]

wowo that has to suck. lemme guess...he goes to USC? i want the kid from kansas as our final signing/LB

[TXFOOSBALL]

wowo that has to suck. lemme guess...he goes to USC? i want the kid from kansas as our final signing/LB

NOO..I want arthur brown. He is awesome. Hoping Nd can get him or Filer as their last LB of this class.

[Texasfrog]

This is the downside to early recruiting. The Aggies have now lost 5 of their previous commits, the latest being LB Dravannti Johnson. He joins Damion Square, Britt Mitchell, Aundre Dean and Leroy Chevalier. Some of this is getting out of hand. I hope the NCAA steps in at some point.

Ya I agree. The NCAA should step in. Those coaches that sign those long term contracts and then throw them in the face of the players and schools should be stopped !!

As far as 18 year old kids changing there minds. Well, I do have a issue with that myself. Dont verbally commit if you aint really committing.

But trust me, there is a lot of things the NCAA should "FIX" and the thing they should fix first is two face lying coaches because what they do is 100X worse then what these 18 year old kids are doing.

[Bobcat81]

Boy..talk about salt in a flesh wound. This does not look good for A&M recruiting. Did this kind of paper tossing go on last year?:confused: :confused:

[#1DawgFan]

If they don't want to go to A & M then we don't want them. Life is full of disappointments. Can't really be upset for something that might have been. I imagine the Aggies will find a way to carry on;)

[Reaganrattler07]

This is probably as meaningful as them committing in the first place.

We'll get our recruits, everyone will, but I'm not losing sleep because these kids broke their word.

[jakerz]

This is probably as meaningful as them committing in the first place.

We'll get our recruits, everyone will, but I'm not losing sleep because these kids broke their word.

He sure is a good LB though.

[Reaganrattler07]

He sure is a good LB though.

I don't doubt that.

But whoever we find to replace him will be sufficient....for me, at least.

[scooter!]

Shoulda been a Longhorn. :D

[stevefoxsc]

Shoulda been a Longhorn. :D

god gave me the intelligence to choose the path of the horn.

[jtk1519]

You can add Kendall Wright to the decommit list.

[TIGER BUD]

You can add Kendall Wright to the decommit list.

Fellas the cupboard is bare and has been for a while IMO it aint gonna get any better. I must admit when Fran showed up I was all about it but really if you look at what he has done at other schools (other than Alabama in which always has atheletes) it's not Big 12 football nor could he ever rise to that competition some times it's better to be lucky than good as was the case last season

[slorch]

Fellas the cupboard is bare and has been for a while IMO it aint gonna get any better. I must admit when Fran showed up I was all about it but really if you look at what he has done at other schools (other than Alabama in which always has atheletes) it's not Big 12 football nor could he ever rise to that competition some times it's better to be lucky than good as was the case last season

he still gets better classes than 9 other schools in the Big XII. The cupboard isn't bare, it just has stuff rotting on the shelf.
Stop making excuses for Fran. He's still getting the talent, he's just doing less with it.

[LGVAg]

he still gets better classes than 9 other schools in the Big XII. The cupboard isn't bare, it just has stuff rotting on the shelf.
Stop making excuses for Fran. He's still getting the talent, he's just doing less with it.

I definitely agree. He killed the careers of great talent such as Reggie McNeal and Justin Warren which pains me even more to see East Texans go down. Also, Jorvorskie Lane is definitely going down that path of not being used correctly. We had NO players drafted. I repeat, NO players drafted. BAYLOR had more players drafted than we did. A 9-3 year with 4 "guaranteed" wins (almost lost to Army) is the only thing saving his job, and a win over t.u. He's still like 2-15 against the top teams of the Big XII. I want him gone.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

What has FranCHOKEY done? He coaches to the level of his talent. He makes potentially great players, average, and average players, horrific. A&M was once a program full of SPEED and ATHLETICISM, before Fran arrived. They held a Top 15 ranking for defense, almost every season, while Slocum was HC. Since then, they've been glad to break the Top 40.

Check it out...

A&M, defensively, last year...

Sacks - 86th in the country
Tackles for a Loss - 102nd in the country
Interceptions - 79th in the country
Pass D - 41st in the country
Rushing D - 46th in the country
Scoring D - 32nd
Total D - 37th

Slocum's "Wrecking Crew" defense led the SWC in all four statistical categories from 1991 through 1993 and also led the nation in total defense in 1991. Just to let you guys know, in his first 3 yrs as HC, Slocum mopped the floor with the then-ranked #12 Notre Dame Irish, in the Cotton Bowl, 35-10... and in 1990 performed possibly the worst beat down of a Top 10 team, by a Non-Top 10 team, when A&M destroyed a Ty Detmer-led #9 BYU, 65-14:eek: , in the Holiday Bowl.

Did you know?...

Slocum...
Had 50 players drafted in 14 yrs as HC, at A&M. (Which averages 3.6 players, per year.)
Plus he secured a 123-47-2 record, with several Top 15-20 finishes, including a few Top 10 finishes. (An average of 8.8 wins per year, with 3.3 losses.)

FranCHOKEY...
Has had 3 players drafted in 4 yrs as HC. (Less than 1 player, per year... if that's possible... in a football state like Texas. )
Plus, he has secured a 25-23 record. (An average of 6.25 wins per year, with 5.75 losses.)

This is going nowhere fast, and recruits know it. Why do they want to sink with the "USS Franchokey"? Until Denny is gone, A&M will suffer.

[lonny23]

I definitely agree. He killed the careers of great talent such as Reggie McNeal and Justin Warren which pains me even more to see East Texans go down. Also, Jorvorskie Lane is definitely going down that path of not being used correctly. We had NO players drafted. I repeat, NO players drafted. BAYLOR had more players drafted than we did. A 9-3 year with 4 "guaranteed" wins (almost lost to Army) is the only thing saving his job, and a win over t.u. He's still like 2-15 against the top teams of the Big XII. I want him gone.
No, the Baylor punter got drafted over zero Aggies!:p

As far as the East Texas kids go, they just need to smarten up and head west!:D

[TIGER BUD]

he still gets better classes than 9 other schools in the Big XII. The cupboard isn't bare, it just has stuff rotting on the shelf.
Stop making excuses for Fran. He's still getting the talent, he's just doing less with it.

it's bare I tell you if it were up to me I would buy fran ,gary arnell along with dollar bill a one way ticket to lubbock

[LGVAg]

No, the Baylor punter got drafted over zero Aggies!:p

As far as the East Texas kids go, they just need to smarten up and head west!:D

...That's what I just said...

[jtk1519]

it's bare I tell you if it were up to me I would buy fran ,gary arnell along with dollar bill a one way ticket to lubbock

The cupboard is not bare. That's just a convienent excuse to mask the true problem... horrible coaching, even worse player development and the biggest problem... an attitude of laziness and acceptance of mediocrity that permeates the entire football program. Just go to any fan board and look at the talk. Word after word after word about beating Texas, but far less about getting raped in the Holiday Bowl.

Look at Fran's recruiting classes. His first ranked 10th best in the nation... ahead of Auburn, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan who all have gone to BCS bowls since. His second ranked 13th best in the nation... ahead of Penn State, Auburn, Notre Dame, Cal, etc. His third recruiting class ranked 8th in the nation... ahead of teams like Ohio State, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, etc. It's been these past two classes that have seen recruiting take a nose dive and that is because recruits aren't stupid. They have seen Fran pull in top 10 level talent and deliver top 30 type results. Now, kids are committing to them early, but bailing as soon as a better program comes calling.

A&M has made a commitment to mediocrity so Aggies should not complain when mediocrity is achieved. The day somebody over there decides to set their goals a little higher is the day A&M stops getting laughed at.

[LGVAg]

A&M has made a commitment to mediocrity so Aggies should not complain when mediocrity is achieved. The day somebody over there decides to set their goals a little higher is the day A&M stops getting laughed at.

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything because I just got off a banning, but you could have used a better choice of words here.

[jtk1519]

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything because I just got off a banning, but you could have used a better choice of words here.

What words? Nothing I said was even lose to offensive.

[slorch]

The cupboard is not bare. That's just a convienent excuse to mask the true problem... horrible coaching, even worse player development and the biggest problem... an attitude of laziness and acceptance of mediocrity that permeates the entire football program. Just go to any fan board and look at the talk. Word after word after word about beating Texas, but far less about getting raped in the Holiday Bowl.

Look at Fran's recruiting classes. His first ranked 10th best in the nation... ahead of Auburn, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan who all have gone to BCS bowls since. His second ranked 13th best in the nation... ahead of Penn State, Auburn, Notre Dame, Cal, etc. His third recruiting class ranked 8th in the nation... ahead of teams like Ohio State, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, etc. It's been these past two classes that have seen recruiting take a nose dive and that is because recruits aren't stupid. They have seen Fran pull in top 10 level talent and deliver top 30 type results. Now, kids are committing to them early, but bailing as soon as a better program comes calling.

A&M has made a commitment to mediocrity so Aggies should not complain when mediocrity is achieved. The day somebody over there decides to set their goals a little higher is the day A&M stops getting laughed at.


you're completely off base here.





















not even winning could keep my from laughing at aggy.:D

[LGVAg]

What words? Nothing I said was even lose to offensive.

I didn't say it was offensive. I just said that you could have used different words. For example, it's hard for you to laugh at "aggy" when, you know... they just beat t.u.

[t-long20]

I didn't say it was offensive. I just said that you could have used different words. For example, it's hard for you to laugh at "aggy" when, you know... they just beat t.u.

there we go with the "look dad we beat big brother" argument well i dont blame you considering thats the only thing you have to brag about aggy,and it doesnt happen very often so enjoy it while you can

[jtk1519]

I didn't say it was offensive. I just said that you could have used different words. For example, it's hard for you to laugh at "aggy" when, you know... they just beat t.u.

Huh? You want me to use a mocking term like "aggy"?

BTW, it's very easy to laugh at the Aggies when they beat Texas, get massacred in their bowl game and then do nothing but crow about 12-7 for the next several months. That's priceless humor.

[LGVAg]

Huh? You want me to use a mocking term like "aggy"?

BTW, it's very easy to laugh at the Aggies when they beat Texas, get massacred in their bowl game and then do nothing but crow about 12-7 for the next several months. That's priceless humor.

I'm trying not to get banned here, so I'll just say nice job on claiming a moral victory through Cal and leave this thread because in 1990, plenty of Horn fans still talk about 28-27 and not about 46-3 (ranked #3 in the country mind you).

[jtk1519]

I'm trying not to get banned here, so I'll just say nice job on claiming a moral victory through Cal and leave this thread because in 1990, plenty of Horn fans still talk about 28-27 and not about 46-3 (ranked #3 in the country mind you).

What?! I was 8 in 1990. What the hell do I care about 1990?

There's no moral victory here and that's what I'm trying to get across, but Aggie fans tend to be so paranoid that they can't see a valid point through their clouded eyes. Look, use the search function just above and look up everything I have ever said about the Big XII. Or, I can sum it up for you... the Big XII sucks. I mean bad. I want Texas to compete for national championships every year and that cannot happen with this worthless conference sucking the way it does. I want A&M to be strong. I want ou (sucks) to be strong. I want Tech to be strong. I want Nebraska to be strong. I want them to be strong so that when Texas beats them, it is noticed by the voters. So that when December rolls around and there in an unbeaten Texas, an unbeaten SEC team and an unbeaten Pac 10 team, Texas is given the edge in the computers and voter's minds because the strength of this conference warrants that and that cannot happen so long as A&M is embarrassing themselves against Army, losing to Baylor or making two bowl games under Fran and losing them both by a combined score of 83-17.

I want A&M to be good... I really do. I may one of the few Horn fans to say that, but I do and my reasons are purely selfish. A good A&M team makes a win over them all the better. There's no moral victory. A&M won in Austin fair and square. They out-toughed the defending national champions and they should be proud. The problem is that there cannot be a good A&M team if A&M goes out and beats Texas... the best team in the conference and defending national champions, and then follows that up by getting their teeth kicked in by a second rate Pac 10 team. A&M is arguably the most underachieving college football team this decade and it pisses me off because it hurts my Horns. I long for the day when they can consistently not suck and that day will not come until Aggies realize the cupboard is not bare... the bar is too low.

[LP-79]

JTK I think that you said it all right there. I agree with all you said. I am, not a longhorn fan, neither am I a aggie or tech fan. I am just a fan of great football. I do not care who wins the National championship as long as it is a Texas college. And they play the toughest opponents in conderence not in a bowl game.

[#1DawgFan]

Guys lets not get this started again. It was going so well for some time. Why worry what Texas fans think of A & M and why worry about what A & M fans think of UT? I just don't see that ever changing because they are two brothers that will always give each other a hard time. It doesn't matter to me what someone else says about A & M because I love the school and will be a fan through thick and thin. I also like Tech, Baylor and UT and always will. The fans on the other hand are the ones you love to hate.

[TIGER BUD]

What?! I was 8 in 1990. What the hell do I care about 1990?

There's no moral victory here and that's what I'm trying to get across, but Aggie fans tend to be so paranoid that they can't see a valid point through their clouded eyes. Look, use the search function just above and look up everything I have ever said about the Big XII. Or, I can sum it up for you... the Big XII sucks. I mean bad. I want Texas to compete for national championships every year and that cannot happen with this worthless conference sucking the way it does. I want A&M to be strong. I want ou (sucks) to be strong. I want Tech to be strong. I want Nebraska to be strong. I want them to be strong so that when Texas beats them, it is noticed by the voters. So that when December rolls around and there in an unbeaten Texas, an unbeaten SEC team and an unbeaten Pac 10 team, Texas is given the edge in the computers and voter's minds because the strength of this conference warrants that and that cannot happen so long as A&M is embarrassing themselves against Army, losing to Baylor or making two bowl games under Fran and losing them both by a combined score of 83-17.

I want A&M to be good... I really do. I may one of the few Horn fans to say that, but I do and my reasons are purely selfish. A good A&M team makes a win over them all the better. There's no moral victory. A&M won in Austin fair and square. They out-toughed the defending national champions and they should be proud. The problem is that there cannot be a good A&M team if A&M goes out and beats Texas... the best team in the conference and defending national champions, and then follows that up by getting their teeth kicked in by a second rate Pac 10 team. A&M is arguably the most underachieving college football team this decade and it pisses me off because it hurts my Horns. I long for the day when they can consistently not suck and that day will not come until Aggies realize the cupboard is not bare... the bar is too low.

THE CUPBOARD IS BARE THESE SO CALLED GREAT RECRUITING CLASSES ARE OVER RATED AND THE PROBLEM WITH A&M FOOTBALL IS WELL BEYOND COACHING ISSUES I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES NOT ONE TIME HAVE I MADE AN EXCUSE FOR A&M

[jtk1519]

THE CUPBOARD IS BARE THESE SO CALLED GREAT RECRUITING CLASSES ARE OVER RATED AND THE PROBLEM WITH A&M FOOTBALL IS WELL BEYOND COACHING ISSUES I'M NOT MAKING EXCUSES NOT ONE TIME HAVE I MADE AN EXCUSE FOR A&M

Ummm... that's great man, but unless you are LVAg's other personality, I don't know why you are responding or taking issue with what I said.

I do find your comment about A&M's classes being overrated quite humorous though. Funny how all the experts can get A&M's classes wrong while getting pretty much everyone else right.

[TIGER BUD]

Ummm... that's great man, but unless you are LVAg's other personality, I don't know why you are responding or taking issue with what I said.

I do find your comment about A&M's classes being overrated quite humorous though. Funny how all the experts can get A&M's classes wrong while getting pretty much everyone else right.

OH I GUESS YOUR THE AGGIE GURU OR SOMETHING YES YOU'RE RIGHT I JUST LIKE TO GET YOU ALL SPUN UP BY THE WAY YOU POST I BET THE OLD BLOOD PRESSURE IS CAUSING YOUR EYES TO BULGE OUT OF YOUR RIGHTEOUS SKULL

[jtk1519]

oh I Guess Your The Aggie Guru Or Something Yes You're Right I Just Like To Get You All Spun Up By The Way You Post I Bet The Old Blood Pressure Is Causing Your Eyes To Bulge Out Of Your Righteous Skull

AND I BET YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON LOOKS LIKE.

[elprezidente]

AND I BET YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON LOOKS LIKE.

LMAO! I wAs GoNnA sAy ThE sAmE tHiNg.

oh and i would like to ask if this banter went on when i was banned....or did it (with me having no hand in this) start up when i got back? cuz i will laugh if its a yes

[jtk1519]

LMAO! I wAs GoNnA sAy ThE sAmE tHiNg.

oh and i would like to ask if this banter went on when i was banned....or did it (with me having no hand in this) start up when i got back? cuz i will laugh if its a yes

I'M SURE YOU ARE SOMEHOW TO BLAME FOR ALL OF THIS.

[elprezidente]

I'M SURE YOU ARE SOMEHOW TO BLAME FOR ALL OF THIS.

CaLl Me ScApEgOaT!1!1!1!

and elprez laughs

[jtk1519]

CaLl Me ScApEgOaT!1!1!1!

and elprez laughs

ALRIGHT, MR. GOAT.

[lonny23]

it's bare I tell you if it were up to me I would buy fran ,gary arnell along with dollar bill a one way ticket to lubbock
They're not welcome in Lubbock!:mad:

[lonny23]

What?! I was 8 in 1990. What the hell do I care about 1990?

There's no moral victory here and that's what I'm trying to get across, but Aggie fans tend to be so paranoid that they can't see a valid point through their clouded eyes. Look, use the search function just above and look up everything I have ever said about the Big XII. Or, I can sum it up for you... the Big XII sucks. I mean bad. I want Texas to compete for national championships every year and that cannot happen with this worthless conference sucking the way it does. I want A&M to be strong. I want ou (sucks) to be strong. I want Tech to be strong. I want Nebraska to be strong. I want them to be strong so that when Texas beats them, it is noticed by the voters. So that when December rolls around and there in an unbeaten Texas, an unbeaten SEC team and an unbeaten Pac 10 team, Texas is given the edge in the computers and voter's minds because the strength of this conference warrants that and that cannot happen so long as A&M is embarrassing themselves against Army, losing to Baylor or making two bowl games under Fran and losing them both by a combined score of 83-17.

I want A&M to be good... I really do. I may one of the few Horn fans to say that, but I do and my reasons are purely selfish. A good A&M team makes a win over them all the better. There's no moral victory. A&M won in Austin fair and square. They out-toughed the defending national champions and they should be proud. The problem is that there cannot be a good A&M team if A&M goes out and beats Texas... the best team in the conference and defending national champions, and then follows that up by getting their teeth kicked in by a second rate Pac 10 team. A&M is arguably the most underachieving college football team this decade and it pisses me off because it hurts my Horns. I long for the day when they can consistently not suck and that day will not come until Aggies realize the cupboard is not bare... the bar is too low.
Your best hope is that Tech can start getting the A&M recruits and you won't see them waste the talent. They've beaten A&M 9 of the last 12 years and I bet none of those 12 years did Tech have a better recruiting class. It kills me to think that Tech has been better than A&M over the last decade and still can't out-recruit them. I think the location is a big barrier.

[jtk1519]

Your best hope is that Tech can start getting the A&M recruits and you won't see them waste the talent. They've beaten A&M 9 of the last 12 years and I bet none of those 12 years did Tech have a better recruiting class. It kills me to think that Tech has been better than A&M over the last decade and still can't out-recruit them. I think the location is a big barrier.

I don't care if it's Tech or Baylor or Okie Lite. I'm just tired of this conference being considered a joke.

[twcpfan1]

What?! I was 8 in 1990. What the hell do I care about 1990?

There's no moral victory here and that's what I'm trying to get across, but Aggie fans tend to be so paranoid that they can't see a valid point through their clouded eyes. Look, use the search function just above and look up everything I have ever said about the Big XII. Or, I can sum it up for you... the Big XII sucks. I mean bad. I want Texas to compete for national championships every year and that cannot happen with this worthless conference sucking the way it does. I want A&M to be strong. I want ou (sucks) to be strong. I want Tech to be strong. I want Nebraska to be strong. I want them to be strong so that when Texas beats them, it is noticed by the voters. So that when December rolls around and there in an unbeaten Texas, an unbeaten SEC team and an unbeaten Pac 10 team, Texas is given the edge in the computers and voter's minds because the strength of this conference warrants that and that cannot happen so long as A&M is embarrassing themselves against Army, losing to Baylor or making two bowl games under Fran and losing them both by a combined score of 83-17.

I want A&M to be good... I really do. I may one of the few Horn fans to say that, but I do and my reasons are purely selfish. A good A&M team makes a win over them all the better. There's no moral victory. A&M won in Austin fair and square. They out-toughed the defending national champions and they should be proud. The problem is that there cannot be a good A&M team if A&M goes out and beats Texas... the best team in the conference and defending national champions, and then follows that up by getting their teeth kicked in by a second rate Pac 10 team. A&M is arguably the most underachieving college football team this decade and it pisses me off because it hurts my Horns. I long for the day when they can consistently not suck and that day will not come until Aggies realize the cupboard is not bare... the bar is too low.

For the Horns to compete for a National Championship, it would have helped if they totally dominated what you refer to as a sucky conference. But they could not do it last year. Not much the other schools in the Big 12 can do about that. It would also help if the program did more with the quality recruits year in year out, with 2005 being the exception obviously.

[TIGER BUD]

They're not welcome in Lubbock!:mad:

oh come on send out the welcome wagon

[elprezidente]

For the Horns to compete for a National Championship, it would have helped if they totally dominated what you refer to as a sucky conference. But they could not do it last year.

we arent talkin about this year. we're talkin bout the past and couple and how all the "analysts" say is weak weak weak.

almost blowing one to army doesnt help our arguement.

i say we make the WAC our new conference. invite the SUC, cal, ucla, tceh, tcu(maybe) dirtburgler, traffic cone aggy, smurf turf aggy (if they can even think about being legit), those "sips" (of course), and another QUALITY team i am forgetting.

[jtk1519]

For the Horns to compete for a National Championship, it would have helped if they totally dominated what you refer to as a sucky conference. But they could not do it last year. Not much the other schools in the Big 12 can do about that. It would also help if the program did more with the quality recruits year in year out, with 2005 being the exception obviously.

The Horns have consistently out-performed their recruiting rankings. Next tired old cliche, please.

[elprezidente]

The Horns have consistently out-performed their recruiting rankings. Next tired old cliche, please.

DONT TALK TO YOUR SPORTS "daddy" THAT WAY! THEY BEAT YALL!

that means that ther are for real. they have meaning. they can run with the big dogs. ask tceh.

[jakerz]

For the Horns to compete for a National Championship, it would have helped if they totally dominated what you refer to as a sucky conference. But they could not do it last year. Not much the other schools in the Big 12 can do about that. It would also help if the program did more with the quality recruits year in year out, with 2005 being the exception obviously.

You act like Texas gets a #1 national recruiting class every year. Texas is usually in the #5-10 range, and most years they are somewhat a #5-10 ranking in the final rankings.

[twcpfan1]

The Horns have consistently out-performed their recruiting rankings. Next tired old cliche, please.

would you say that applied to 2006? You are the one that said Texas' NC aspirations is being hindered by the weak conference they are in. So it puzzles me how you equate outperforming their recruiting ranking to not being able to win a weak a$$ conference.

[elprezidente]

would you say that applied to 2006? You are the one that said Texas' NC aspirations is being hindered by the weak conference they are in. So it puzzles me how you equate outperforming their recruiting ranking to not being able to win a weak a$$ conference.

The Horns have consistently out-performed their recruiting rankings. Next tired old cliche, please.

that means on a regular basis. like seigga consistently has a flub up to ruin thoughts of a nat'l championship.

[Texasfrog]

would you say that applied to 2006? You are the one that said Texas' NC aspirations is being hindered by the weak conference they are in. So it puzzles me how you equate outperforming their recruiting ranking to not being able to win a weak a$$ conference.

I think you have to take into account many things when it comes down to it. First, the class you sign on "signing day" might look totally different 3 & 4 years later. Plus, one thing that's hard to see in a kid many times is their " Heart, passion and desire" to get better while in college.

I mean look at the NFL draft. How many of those kids drafted on Day One were Top National 100 kids coming out of High School ? I bet usually those first 100 dudes drafted by the NFL, only about 25-30 of them were High School National 100.

That's why I dont get all wrapped up on how many "STARS" some 18 year old kid has by his name.

I have a "2-Star" (6-2/205/4.6) kid with a "Heart of a Lion" or a "5-Star"-(6-3/225/4.5) kid that has a questionable work ethic but he is on every National recruiting Top 100. I'll go with the "2-Star."

I always think it's interesting to look at these recruiting classes 4 years later and seeing where many of them ended up. Some are NFL draft picks and some are headed to Jail.

[jtk1519]

would you say that applied to 2006?

2006 is actually the prefect example of Texas out-performing it's recruiting rankings. Texas was ranked #13 in the final AP poll last year. The Horns 2005 recruiting class ranked #20 in the nation. That '05 recruiting class included such key contributers as Colt McCoy, Jamaal Charles, Jermichael Finley, Quan Cosby, Roy Miller, etc. The '04 class that featured a lot of other contributers like Bobino, Okam, Orakpo, Ulatoski, Dockery, Shipley, etc. was ranked the 10th best recruiting class in the nation.

What I have been posing all this time are hypotheticals. Hypotheticals that apply to the dirt burglars just as much as they do Texas. Did you know that if Texas had won the Big XII last year and gone unbeaten through conference play, not one single computer poll (using their averages and trends at the time) would have placed Texas ahead of Florida and at least half of the computer polls would have had Texas ranked behind 2 loss Michigan.

Here's another interesting fact. In 2005, the year Texas won the national title, the early BCS polls had USC has a clear #1, Texas at #2, but an unbeaten Virginia Tech quickly rising. The computer polls showed that had Virginia Tech gone unbeaten that year, they would have easily surpassed Texas in the Polls and gone on to play in the BCS title game, despite the fact that Texas pretty easily won the Big XII. That is because most of the computer polls had the Big XII ranked the 4th best conference or worst.

[lonny23]

oh come on send out the welcome wagon
They can stay put in College Station. They have a good thing going on down there. There are many football fans in Texas that are thrilled with their performance!:D

[lonny23]

we arent talkin about this year. we're talkin bout the past and couple and how all the "analysts" say is weak weak weak.

almost blowing one to army doesnt help our arguement.

i say we make the WAC our new conference. invite the SUC, cal, ucla, tceh, tcu(maybe) dirtburgler, traffic cone aggy, smurf turf aggy (if they can even think about being legit), those "sips" (of course), and another QUALITY team i am forgetting.
Who is traffic cone aggy? I know the others.

[yallerjacket]

Who is traffic cone aggy? I know the others.

I believe that's another term for Okie Lite.

[elprezidente]

Who is traffic cone aggy? I know the others.

okie lite

[TIGER BUD]

They can stay put in College Station. They have a good thing going on down there. There are many football fans in Texas that are thrilled with their performance!:D

Yea right, can't you help a brotha out just one time:rolleyes:

[TIGER BUD]

:confused:The cupboard is not bare. That's just a convienent excuse to mask the true problem... horrible coaching, even worse player development and the biggest problem... an attitude of laziness and acceptance of mediocrity that permeates the entire football program. Just go to any fan board and look at the talk. Word after word after word about beating Texas, but far less about getting raped in the Holiday Bowl.

Look at Fran's recruiting classes. His first ranked 10th best in the nation... ahead of Auburn, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan who all have gone to BCS bowls since. His second ranked 13th best in the nation... ahead of Penn State, Auburn, Notre Dame, Cal, etc. His third recruiting class ranked 8th in the nation... ahead of teams like Ohio State, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, etc. It's been these past two classes that have seen recruiting take a nose dive and that is because recruits aren't stupid. They have seen Fran pull in top 10 level talent and deliver top 30 type results. Now, kids are committing to them early, but bailing as soon as a better program comes calling.

A&M has made a commitment to mediocrity so Aggies should not complain when mediocrity is achieved. The day somebody over there decides to set their goals a little higher is the day A&M stops getting laughed at.

[AE 8008]

so where is aundre dean gonna go

where you been

[jtk1519]

where you been

This thread is old. For some reason, TIGER BUD decided to bump it after almost a year. I still don't know why, but this thread is about a year old.

[#1DawgFan]

This thread is old. For some reason, TIGER BUD decided to bump it after almost a year. I still don't know why, but this thread is about a year old.

I was thinking the same thing:confused:

[AE 8008]

oh, ok

[CedarHillDad]

WTF!!! I am reading page 1 of this thread and wondering, why are they talking about Fran and old info. I look at the date and voila!:eek::Censor::eek: