Ted Ginn Jr. is a playmaker

[BlackandRed05]

Seems that some of the NFL coaches are talking about his small frame ( 6' 1" 175 lbs.) but I say he is a great player to have on any NFL team. What do you think?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Alva46VA2Lp6DnKP537xPBNDubYF?slug=jc-ginn041807&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Owls06]

I hope the cowboys get him in the first round.. we really need a good kick/punt returner and that is exactly what he is.. i hope he can become like a devin hester

[jtk1519]

He's 5'11 and he isn't worth a 1st round pick. He won't be able to contribute on anything more than returns and even as a WR will never be a true #1 target. Devin Hester is a good comparison... a very good return man and marginal position player. Of course, Hester wasn't picked until late in the 2nd round which is where Ginn should probably go.

[Texasfrog]

He'll be a very good NFL player. Maybe never the #1 or even #2 WR's on many NFL teams but he'll be a very solid PR/KR and make a #3 Wr's that defensive teams have to respect.

He'll go in the 1st rd somewhere..

PS. I do think he'll be injury prone in the NFL and he'll spend a lot of time on the sidelines wearing civi's because he'll be on the non-active list.

[SGP 06 Alumni]

are you guys forgetting about another small framed guy who is a hell of a #1 WR?? Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers come to mind? How about Santana Moss of the Washington Redskins? Don't say a small framed WR can't be a #1 or #2 in the NFL, because they can. I'm not saying that Ginn will be, but it is a possibility. He has outstanding hands, and really runs his routs well. Remember when he torched Texas last year? He's definately a threat on special teams, but can possibly be one on offense as well.

[jtk1519]

are you guys forgetting about another small framed guy who is a hell of a #1 WR?? Steve Smith of the Carolina Panthers come to mind? How about Santana Moss of the Washington Redskins? Don't say a small framed WR can't be a #1 or #2 in the NFL, because they can. I'm not saying that Ginn will be, but it is a possibility. He has outstanding hands, and really runs his routs well. Remember when he torched Texas last year? He's definately a threat on special teams, but can possibly be one on offense as well.

The difference is that while Moss and Smith are short, they are both fairly stout as well. Both are shorter than Ginn, but they also have 15-20 pounds on him which is pretty huge. Ted Ginn is down right frail in build.

That and your comments about Ginn's hands and route running is pretty much the opposite of what every scout is saying about him. Aside from his build, the biggest knocks on Ginn are that he drops too many passes and he is a terrible route runner. He was rarely asked to test the middle of the field at Ohio State and was mostly asked to run simple streaks and post patterns as well as screens where he could just use his speed. He was rarely asked to challenge a defense as a WR. His speed is world class, but I don't know why you spend a first round pick on a receiver who will likely never be a #1 target. There are a couple of teams like Jacksonville, San Diego or Kansas City who could afford to take a player like Ginn in the 1st round since they won't need him to contribute as a WR early on. They can take more time with him and allow him to develop.

If you want a good return man and small, marginal receiver, why not wait until day 2 and draft Johnnie Lee Higgins or Yamon Figurs. Both have produced on the field about as good or better than Ginn. Both are about the same size and as fast (Figurs has posted the best 40 time among all prospects) and both will save you millions of dollars, contribute from day 1 on returns and you wont have the pressure to get them on the field as a receiver that you will with Ginn.

[Texasfrog]

The difference is that while Moss and Smith are short, they are both fairly stout as well. Both are shorter than Ginn, but they also have 15-20 pounds on him which is pretty huge. Ted Ginn is down right frail in build.

That and your comments about Ginn's hands and route running is pretty much the opposite of what every scout is saying about him. Aside from his build, the biggest knocks on Ginn are that he drops too many passes and he is a terrible route runner. He was rarely asked to test the middle of the field at Ohio State and was mostly asked to run simple streaks and post patterns as well as screens where he could just use his speed. He was rarely asked to challenge a defense as a WR. His speed is world class, but I don't know why you spend a first round pick on a receiver who will likely never be a #1 target. There are a couple of teams like Jacksonville, San Diego or Kansas City who could afford to take a player like Ginn in the 1st round since they won't need him to contribute as a WR early on. They can take more time with him and allow him to develop.

If you want a good return man and small, marginal receiver, why not wait until day 2 and draft Johnnie Lee Higgins or Yamon Figurs. Both have produced on the field about as good or better than Ginn. Both are about the same size and as fast (Figurs has posted the best 40 time among all prospects) and both will save you millions of dollars, contribute from day 1 on returns and you wont have the pressure to get them on the field as a receiver that you will with Ginn.


I think Johnnie Higgins goes Day 1. Probabably late 3rd.

[svhorns]

He's 5'11 and he isn't worth a 1st round pick. He won't be able to contribute on anything more than returns and even as a WR will never be a true #1 target. Devin Hester is a good comparison... a very good return man and marginal position player. Of course, Hester wasn't picked until late in the 2nd round which is where Ginn should probably go.

Ginn to Tennessee first round...:D

[0utlaw]

I'll agree with jtk to a certain extent

Ginn seems to be only good on streaks and screens.However when it comes to route patterns ginn is blah.

but his speed his amazing(supposedly he hits a high 4.2 @ the forty)

Despite what we have to say about him,he's going to end up in the 1st round.(in my opinion possibly tampa)

[KT2000]

I think he goes in the first round. Weight gaining won't be a problem. The NFL's got all kinds of solutions for that. Teams will look at his raw ability and draft on that. They will have a belief they can coach him up as a receiver, but that you can't coach his speed and quickness.

[HUM398]

I think he goes in the first round. Weight gaining won't be a problem. The NFL's got all kinds of solutions for that. Teams will look at his raw ability and draft on that. They will have a belief they can coach him up as a receiver, but that you can't coach his speed and quickness.

i really dont see him ever being a successful WR, maybe but i have my doubts about his Route running.

But his speed is very impressive.

[jtk1519]

Ginn will go in the first round... no question. I just don't think he's worth it. If Jacksonville (my team) takes him, I won't be too upset since Jacksonville really doesn't have any pressing needs, but if Tennessee takes him (my other team) I will cry... seriously.

BTW, has anybody noticed how long it took him to recover from a sprained foot? He injured it in early January and was still complaining about it when he ran his 40 four months later. I've sprained everything you can sprain and that seems kinda long. I honestly think injuries are going to be a problem for him.

[KT2000]

He needs to put on about 20 pounds. He'd be even faster.

[svhorns]

Ginn will go in the first round... no question. I just don't think he's worth it. If Jacksonville (my team) takes him, I won't be too upset since Jacksonville really doesn't have any pressing needs, but if Tennessee takes him (my other team) I will cry... seriously.

BTW, has anybody noticed how long it took him to recover from a sprained foot? He injured it in early January and was still complaining about it when he ran his 40 four months later. I've sprained everything you can sprain and that seems kinda long. I honestly think injuries are going to be a problem for him.

Injuries didnt seem to bother San Diego from drafting Antonio Cromartie in the first round... he was out the whole season and still was drafted in the 1st round... hes lightning quick and is going to be a major threat on special teams and maybe even become a good CB

[jtk1519]

Injuries didnt seem to bother San Diego from drafting Antonio Cromartie in the first round... he was out the whole season and still was drafted in the 1st round

What other pressing needs did San Diego have? They could afford to take a high risk/reward project because they didn't really have any gaping holes elsewhere.

I guess I should clarify and say that for a certain few teams who don't have any huge holes to fill, Ginn would make a solid first round choice for them. Teams like Jacksonville, Denver, Dallas, Kansas City, San Diego, etc. Such teams can afford to take a project like Ginn because they have the luxury of time. Time to allow him to adapt. What Ginn is not, is the kind of WR you build a receiving core around. He is and always will be a complimentary receiver. Any team drafting him needs to have a solid #1 WR already on the roster. That is why the talk of Tennessee drafting him makes me nervous. Tennessee has very little proven help at WR right now. They don't need a WR like Ginn who may be a #2 or #3 receiver in time. They need a guy who can step in and be the man now. Ultimately, I think that is why they go after Meachem or Jarrett with their first pick.

[78 Spartan]

If this were 1964 and NFL defenses were still playing man coverage, he'd be revolutionary like Bob Hayes was.

But if Bob Hayes were coming into the NFL draft right now, he'd be nothing but a KR prospect. Too small, not great hands, etc.

I wouldn't invest more than a third round pick for a guy who is only likely to impact special teams. Maybe a situational slot receiver, but certainly not a go-to guy against NFL defenses.

Of course, somebody will take him higher and will be looking at a high risk / high reward situation. I'd just rather invest first and second round picks on guys who are pretty sure things to play big roles for many years among the starting 22.

[t-long20]

i think once ginn puts on the weight he needs and develops into his routes he could be real good in the league

[wide-e-wide]

Ginn is a playmaker.................if you're into glorified kick returners.
He's this generation's version of Desmond Howard or Rocket Ismail....only not as good.

[t-long20]

Ginn is a playmaker.................if you're into glorified kick returners.
He's this generation's version of Desmond Howard or Rocket Ismail....only not as good.

i just hope no one jumps on him in the endzone after a td

[jtk1519]

Even Kirk Herbstreit... the ultimate Ohio State homer... said on ESPiN that Ginn is 2-3 years away from being a contributer on offense.

[svhorns]

Even Kirk Herbstreit... the ultimate Ohio State homer... said on ESPiN that Ginn is 2-3 years away from being a contributer on offense.

He also said OU is going to beat Texas this year at the Cotton Bowl... about 3 days ago

[jtk1519]

He also said OU is going to beat Texas this year at the Cotton Bowl... about 3 days ago

He said he gives Mobilhoma a slight edge because of their defense which returns something like 11 of their top 12 tacklers from last year. I don't agree with his prediction, but it wasn't near as wild as predicting the Aggies to win the Big XII in '05.

[TheBigPeach]

He's 5'11 and he isn't worth a 1st round pick. He won't be able to contribute on anything more than returns and even as a WR will never be a true #1 target. Devin Hester is a good comparison... a very good return man and marginal position player. Of course, Hester wasn't picked until late in the 2nd round which is where Ginn should probably go.

I strongly disagree. As a Buckeye Fan I have to say my 1 time trip up to Columbus he always is great. He will be good in the NFL

[slorch]

instead of jumping into the stands when he scores a TD, Ginn could just jump onto pole vault pit pad- that should alleviate the celebratory injuries...:D

[jtk1519]

I strongly disagree. As a Buckeye Fan I have to say my 1 time trip up to Columbus he always is great. He will be good in the NFL

He may very well be "good", but when you are a team with as many holes as Miami has, you don't spend your first pick... #9 overall on a player that might one day be "good".

[slorch]

Dear Dolphins,
picking a known quantity with a high draft choice is truly overrated.

signed,
the Houston Texans

[USC_Ray]

Firt off..Kirk is the one who also said Miami would win the NC last year..his credibility is worthless in my book.. second..Teddy gInn is two yrs away from being a dominan t receiver... but with his speed,a nd agility, Miami should find great use in him at as a returner... After all Football is a game of field position

[Texasfrog]

He also said OU is going to beat Texas this year at the Cotton Bowl... about 3 days ago

He better go play QB for OU then because they dont have one.;)

[Texasfrog]

Firt off..Kirk is the one who also said Miami would win the NC last year..his credibility is worthless in my book.. second..Teddy gInn is two yrs away from being a dominan t receiver... but with his speed,a nd agility, Miami should find great use in him at as a returner... After all Football is a game of field position

I dont ever see Ted Ginn reaching the same par as a Tim Brown did in the NFL.

I do see him being another version of Dante Hall just slightyly taller. He'll be a great KR & PR and he'll add about (35 rec- 5tds a year) and always be a threat for reverse and other exotic plays on offense.

Basically Miami just drafted a great special team player (KR/PR) which isnt really that bad a deal. Every team would love to have an "ELITE" guy like that.

[TheBigPeach]

Firt off..Kirk is the one who also said Miami would win the NC last year..his credibility is worthless in my book.. second..Teddy gInn is two yrs away from being a dominan t receiver... but with his speed,a nd agility, Miami should find great use in him at as a returner... After all Football is a game of field position

I saw a guy in Columbus with a Kirk is my Homeboy shirt once. I wish I had that picture.

[USC_Ray]

I saw a guy in Columbus with a Kirk is my Homeboy shirt once. I wish I had that picture.

lol..that woulda been funny to see.... it have his headshot with two thumbs up?

[t-long20]

tedd ginn will most likely be another devin hester