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[HUM398]

Here it is...No Breaks.. Just the Spring game.. its about 18 mins in length.

UT Spring football (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtRA2stsKNg)

[wide-e-wide]

Vondrell is gonna be a freaking beast dude. Hook 'em

[jakerz]

I think I'll be a beast someday....


Hook Em'

[HUM398]

Vondrell is gonna be a freaking beast dude. Hook 'em

Definitely. He may be that back we need to take a pounding up the middle. I really like what i saw.

Was it just me or did or did the return game look really good?

[jakerz]

Cosby looked good returning.

Colt+Sweed+Cosby+Pittman+Shipley is gonna cause havoc.

Please Jamaal....don't be afraid to get hit.

[HUM398]

Cosby looked good returning.

Colt+Sweed+Cosby+Pittman+Shipley is gonna cause havoc.

Please Jamaal....don't be afraid to get hit.


I dont think Jamal is afraid of getting hit, its just not his running style. It never has been. His instinct is to avoid the tackle and get more yards..Instead of pounding through the line. He has to learn how to put his shoulder down.

He has been running around, under, and above tackles since ive been watching him (HS)

[jtk1519]

Jamaal is scared to death to get hit. With good reason probably since he gets banged up every time he does get hit. He got injured in the Spring game just running out of bounds.

[HUM398]

Jamaal is scared to death to get hit. With good reason probably since he gets banged up every time he does get hit. He got injured in the Spring game just running out of bounds.

I don't think so dude... I just think that he isnt ever going to be able to run out of the Spread the way the coaches want him to.... he needs to Run out of the I.. he did in High school and it proved to be Lethal to defenses.

Run him out of the I and your going to see an Huge Improvement in his Numbers.

[jtk1519]

I don't think so dude... I just think that he isnt ever going to be able to run out of the Spread the way the coaches want him to.... he needs to Run out of the I.. he did in High school and it proved to be Lethal to defenses.

Run him out of the I and your going to see an Huge Improvement in his Numbers.

The I formation offense is predicated on an interior running game. That means running Jamaal between the tackles where the big boys roam. In other words, the exact opposite of what you want. Made even harder when you consider that a vital component to an I offense is a blocking back and Texas still doesn't have a true blocking FB or a true blocking TE for that matter. The offense Texas runs right now is pretty much perfect for him. It's designed to get the RB in open space quickly which is where a back like Jamaal does his best work because he can use his speed unlike an I formation offense that relies more on power to pick up yards in the middle. The problem last year was that the zone blocking up front was horrible. A lot of that was because of Dockery's injury since he was pulling on strong side runs early and to great success. With Dock back and healthy, the running game should improve in that respect.

Ideally for Jamaal, Texas will open up the passing game more and actually give him fewer carries. Jamaal is not the type of back who's success is measured by number of carries. If Jamaal is getting 20+ carries a game, you are in serious trouble. Jamaal's success is measure by yards per carry and you raise that by throwing more to spread the defense out, which in turn opens up running lanes. This is vital because Jamaal will never open his own running lanes. Throw more, limit Jamaal's carries to high percentage carries and you will see him explode (think Reggie Bush) and finally, throw the ball more to him. Use the swing passes and screens as a type of running game. Jamaal is an excellent receiver who can make things happen when he gets in the open field (see the Alamo Bowl). For every 2 carries he gets, he should have 1 reception.

[HUM398]

The I formation offense is predicated on an interior running game. That means running Jamaal between the tackles where the big boys roam. In other words, the exact opposite of what you want. Made even harder when you consider that a vital component to an I offense is a blocking back and Texas still doesn't have a true blocking FB or a true blocking TE for that matter. The offense Texas runs right now is pretty much perfect for him. It's designed to get the RB in open space quickly which is where a back like Jamaal does his best work because he can use his speed unlike an I formation offense that relies more on power to pick up yards in the middle. The problem last year was that the zone blocking up front was horrible. A lot of that was because of Dockery's injury since he was pulling on strong side runs early and to great success. With Dock back and healthy, the running game should improve in that respect.

Ideally for Jamaal, Texas will open up the passing game more and actually give him fewer carries. Jamaal is not the type of back who's success is measured by number of carries. If Jamaal is getting 20+ carries a game, you are in serious trouble. Jamaal's success is measure by yards per carry and you raise that by throwing more to spread the defense out, which in turn opens up running lanes. This is vital because Jamaal will never open his own running lanes. Throw more, limit Jamaal's carries to high percentage carries and you will see him explode (think Reggie Bush) and finally, throw the ball more to him. Use the swing passes and screens as a type of running game. Jamaal is an excellent receiver who can make things happen when he gets in the open field (see the Alamo Bowl). For every 2 carries he gets, he should have 1 reception.

I agree that he Can Run out of the Zone read Spread, but i think he would do better in the I...While you may think that he cant be an every down back..he can...But the Spread will get him Killed if doesn't put on a little more weight(that is if they dont improve the Zone Blocking).. They should of used it more then they did last year(the I..Which he can run out of Extremely well). He Can Take the hit.

[scooter!]

I've seen Jamaal take a few big hits so he can handle it, he can also give 'em too. He has never been a spread type RB, i mean the one year PAM tried to do it more was his junior year when Katy won in the KatyDome---it didnt work really good, but i bet my next 2 paychecks you put him in the I-form and he'll take it to the house the majority of the time.

[jtk1519]

Jamaal would die in the I... literally. He couldn't break tackles from CBs last year which is why he put on more weight and worked with the football team this Spring instead of running track. You put him in the I where he has to take on LBs and safeties and you will eventually find Jamaal in two pieces. What the kid did high school is irrelevant. Jamaal is going up against much bigger, stronger and faster defenses now and if you have a back that likes to run around people, the very last thing you do is put him in the I since you simply cannot run an I offense without running between the tackles consistently. To say that Charles does his best running when he is allowed to run around people and that he should be running out of the I is actually fundamentally contradictory. All that, and it still does not address the fact that Texas does not have a true blocking FB or a true blocking TE... critical components to any I formation offense.

[HUM398]

Jamaal would die in the I... literally. He couldn't break tackles from CBs last year which is why he put on more weight and worked with the football team this Spring instead of running track. You put him in the I where he has to take on LBs and safeties and you will eventually find Jamaal in two pieces. What the kid did high school is irrelevant. Jamaal is going up against much bigger, stronger and faster defenses now and if you have a back that likes to run around people, the very last thing you do is put him in the I since you simply cannot run an I offense without running between the tackles consistently. To say that Charles does his best running when he is allowed to run around people and that he should be running out of the I is actually fundamentally contradictory. All that, and it still does not address the fact that Texas does not have a true blocking FB or a true blocking TE... critical components to any I formation offense.


What he did in High school may be irrelevant if your refering to his statistics..But The Scheme still worked for him. and i believe that it can still work for him not. Since High school he has also put on weight and gotten faster...He has a bigger line, and Better players... He Can run through the tackles...I remember when people were trying to compare Benson and Charles when he was being recruited by Texas. Where do you think they got their point of reference? His High School performance in the I. Granted The LB and D-line are Much bigger then High school.. But The Spread didn't work for him them, and the I did... Now, seeing that he has struggled running out of the spread...I have to say to myself.."well perhaps they should try the I".. He has enough speed to burst through the holes and be that Up the middle Back.

Your right, Texas Doesn't have a true FB..or a True blocking TE.. and thats part of the reason why i dont think they wll imploy the I anymore then they did last year.

[jtk1519]

I remember when people were trying to compare Benson and Charles when he was being recruited by Texas. Where do you think they got their point of reference?

From their stats and their stats alone. jtk saw way too much of Benson in high school and a fair amount of Jamaal too and they were nothing alike. Benson never had Jamaal's speed or anything close and Jamaal never had Benson's power or anything close. It was known when they were being recruited that Cedric was a throw back, power runner while Jamaal was the kind of fast, shifty back Texas had not had in some time... if ever.

BTW, West Virginia's Steve Slaton ran out of the I in high school and put up sick numbers doing so. Anybody think he's worse off now running out of a spread offense?

[HUM398]

From their stats and their stats alone. jtk saw way too much of Benson in high school and a fair amount of Jamaal too and they were nothing alike. Benson never had Jamaal's speed or anything close and Jamaal never had Benson's power or anything close. It was known when they were being recruited that Cedric was a throw back, power runner while Jamaal was the kind of fast, shifty back Texas had not had in some time... if ever.

BTW, West Virginia's Steve Slaton ran out of the I in high school and put up sick numbers doing so. Anybody think he's worse off now running out of a spread offense?

Well, i know that they werent the same in high school... But Jamaal showed that he could Punish the the defenders. He used to bounce of tacklers like no ones business. Go watch some of his rival videos in high school... Yeah he was shifty but he knew how to run between the tackles.

And it may very well work wonders for Slaton...and im not saying that it cant for Charles..One, i think he needs to put on about 5-10 more pounds. Two, They need better Zone Blocking. Three, They need to be able to spread the field a little better to open things up for Jamaal. But i don't think for a second that the kid is scared to tacking a hit.. The I is something is good with...

I think Charles is going to have a big Year. along with Vondrell who may be that pound out back that Texas Needs...Great power, awesome vision and speed.

Whats your thought on the Secondary?

[jtk1519]

Whats your thought on the Secondary?

Very young with almost no experience but probably the best collective talent Texas has ever had and that doesn't even count the new guys who aren't on campus yet. Hopefully that leads to some nickel and dime packages... stuff Texas really wasn't able to run last year, but excelled at the year before when Aaron Ross was playing the nickel. Foster and Palmer may start at the corners, but look for Beasley and maybe Chykie to be starting most of the season. Ben Wells and Curtis Brown are going to get a lot of reps too and one of those guys could very well be starting.

jtk expects a tough learning curve, but almost limitless potential.

[HUM398]

Very young with almost no experience but probably the best collective talent Texas has ever had and that doesn't even count the new guys who aren't on campus yet. Hopefully that leads to some nickel and dime packages... stuff Texas really wasn't able to run last year, but excelled at the year before when Aaron Ross was playing the nickel. Foster and Palmer may start at the corners, but look for Beasley and maybe Chykie to be starting most of the season. Ben Wells and Curtis Brown are going to get a lot of reps too and one of those guys could very well be starting.

jtk expects a tough learning curve, but almost limitless potential.


Im pretty damn excited about Cy. Brown. and Curtis. I love the Potential.

[chpanther]

i have this feeling that john chiles is going to wreck

[Crank_It]

Quan effin Cosby is going to be a friggin animal this year i can guarantee you that. Overall i like what i saw from everyone, Sherrod as a passer is still a bit iffy but good God if he isnt fast!

[mtbray]

Well, if Charles is afraid to get hit, at least don't forget he's not afraid to hit others. Does no one remember him laying out AJ Hawk??? Yeah, that would be the 1st rd linebacker....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEsmN4vluA

[panamamyers]

Nothing in Jamaal's past points towards him being better off in a spread. Nothing points to him not being able to take a heavy load. He got injured as a freshman, much like Adrian Peterson.

Jamaal took the load for PAM. He was the whole offense. He can take the load, trust me. If you put him ina traditional offense, he would be fighting it out for the Heisman the next two years. He will be a much better pro than he is a college player, because he is not being used properly at Texas.

[jtk1519]

Putting Jamaal in the I behind a walk-on LB converted to FB and a glorified WR at TE is not the answer.

Ask yourself this... what are Texas' greatest weapons on offense. After last season, you would say Colt, Sweed, The Quan, Shipley, Pittman, J-Mike and Jamaal. 6 of the 7 players I just listed are involved in the passing game. So, you want to bring the walk-on LB/FB to lead block... fine. Who are you going to take off the field? Sweed? The Quan? J-Mike? Shipley? Doesn't make sense, does it? You don't take your best players off the field unless you have a player of equal talent and ability to put back out there. Maybe Irby can become an awesome FB or maybe Johnson, but those guys aren't here yet. Until then, you're left with a walk-on FB/LB and you just don't take a homerun WR off the field for an average (at best) FB.

[HUM398]

Putting Jamaal in the I behind a walk-on LB converted to FB and a glorified WR at TE is not the answer.

Ask yourself this... what are Texas' greatest weapons on offense. After last season, you would say Colt, Sweed, The Quan, Shipley, Pittman, J-Mike and Jamaal. 6 of the 7 players I just listed are involved in the passing game. So, you want to bring the walk-on LB/FB to lead block... fine. Who are you going to take off the field? Sweed? The Quan? J-Mike? Shipley? Doesn't make sense, does it? You don't take your best players off the field unless you have a player of equal talent and ability to put back out there. Maybe Irby can become an awesome FB or maybe Johnson, but those guys aren't here yet. Until then, you're left with a walk-on FB/LB and you just don't take a homerun WR off the field for an average (at best) FB.

I can Accept this answer.

[CFlb38 08]

Vondrell is gonna be a freaking beast dude. Hook 'em

oh yeah.:D