Who is Don Imus?

[Sacred Ground]

I do not know who Don Imus is. I heard he was a self-rightous, politically correct liberal who has a radio talk show. He apparently stuck his foot in his mouth today with his racially charged comments about the Rutgers girls basketball team. Personally, I think Rutgers has had an outstanding year with their athletic programs and Dom Imus sounds like an idiot. I haven't found a news link on this yet, I heard about it on tv sports news.

[mad_fan]

aggy

[mad_fan]

aggy

I see him when I'm flippin' between foxnews and the finance channels in the AM...

[jtk1519]

Don Imus of Imus in the Morning. You can watch his radio show on MSNBC early in the mornings. In many ways, he's like California's version of Kinky Friedman (he just works mostly in NYC). Imus is a politically incorrect comedian with a political side. Imus is always saying "racially insensitive" things. He uses the term "raghead" repeatedly on air and has poked fun at reporters and such because of their race. This is nothing new for Imus. He's an old wannabe cowboy fart that says what he wants.

http://www.voccoquan.com/SteveR/don%20imus.JPG

[jtk1519]

This is typical Imus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AknHc-8khG4

[HUM398]

This is typical Imus...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AknHc-8khG4

Your Avatar is incredibly homo. On several levels.


What happen JTK???

[svhorns]

Your Avatar is incredibly homo. On several levels.


What happen JTK???

I agree

[wide-e-wide]

Your Avatar is incredibly homo. On several levels.


What happen JTK???

Something about a hysterectomy and hormones or something.

[mad_fan]

Something about a hysterectomy and hormones or something.

MAYbe he can recover from that...
In a few weeks...

[wide-e-wide]

MAYbe he can recover from that...
In a few weeks...

I would certainly hope so...
Terrible thing to watch

[cyfallsgoalie31]

http://www.voccoquan.com/SteveR/don%20imus.JPG
Looks like John Wayne with a drinking problem.

[mad_fan]

Looks like John Wayne with a drinking problem.

I knew John Wayne...and he's no John Wayne...

[jtk1519]

Looks like John Wayne with a drinking problem.

Talks like Jimmy Stewart with a drinking problem.

[mad_fan]

Talks like Jimmy Stewart with a drinking problem.

I knew Jimmy Stewart...and he's NO Jimmy Stewart...

[mad_fan]

I knew Ted Kennedy...Don is a Ted Kennedy...

[HUM398]

I knew Ted Kennedy...Don is a Ted Kennedy...

Funny.. I was thinking the same thing.

[Sacred Ground]

I knew Jimmy Stewart...and he's NO Jimmy Stewart...

Your post are reminding me of Dan Qualye. I think we need some Dan Qualye quotes. Anybody have any?

[mad_fan]

Your post are reminding me of Dan Qualye. I think we need some Dan Qualye quotes. Anybody have any?

NOE...

[cyfallsgoalie31]

Your post are reminding me of Dan Qualye. I think we need some Dan Qualye quotes. Anybody have any?
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Dan Quayle

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[Sacred Ground]

I think CyFallsGoalie pretty well covered any and all Dan Quayle quotes. :D

[cyfallsgoalie31]

I think CyFallsGoalie pretty well covered any and all Dan Quayle quotes. :D
I like to create a monopoly. I'm very efficient.

[DrEdward]

Back in the 1980s when Imus was on NBC radio in New York City, the man was absolutely hilarious. Of course, he was also typically drunk and/or stoned on something. He had the prime radio drive time spot in the morning and a good deal of conversation came to a halt during morning commutes just listening to the guy. No one ever accused the I-man of being politically correct about anything. Now that he has sobered up (even if he doesn't look it), he is not nearly as funny. He does do a lot of good work for sick kids on a ranch he runs in New Mexico, however.

[drgnbkr]

NOE...

Classic

[drgnbkr]

Back in the 1980s when Imus was on NBC radio in New York City, the man was absolutely hilarious. Of course, he was also typically drunk and/or stoned on something. He had the prime radio drive time spot in the morning and a good deal of conversation came to a halt during morning commutes just listening to the guy. No one ever accused the I-man of being politically correct about anything. Now that he has sobered up (even if he doesn't look it), he is not nearly as funny. He does do a lot of good work for sick kids on a ranch he runs in New Mexico, however.

He was heads up against Howard Stern on the morning drive show time slot...

[Sacred Ground]

Hah, finally, a news report on this Imus guy about his comments made during his radio show. I first heard it on local TV news last night, but major news outlets are starting to pick it up because the National Association of Black Journalists are upset about it and want him to be fired.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,264646,00.html

[mad_fan]

This is Don Imus...

Imus called women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos"

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704040011

[pack0808]

I used to like and listen to Imus in the am back in the days when I had a boring college break job. He can be funny but he has changed some political views and is not as hard as he used to be. He used to say absolutely anything and it was funny. He once scared Howard Stern to death when he had a show by him and he actually used to be a major coke head and alcoholic. He jokes about that often. I have not listened to him in years. He started saying things that turned me off completely and that was it. He comes on really early in the am on msnbc.

[pack0808]

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[pack0808]

I just heard what he said and I am awww that people freak out about this? Well no I am not it is the norm now. There is such a double standard in this country it is ridiculous and we live in vaginaville. He was joking! If it had been a black radio person that was making fun of white people by calling them dorky with some dorky haircuts then you would not hear one thing. People need to start plucking the sensitivity cucumber out of their butt and worry about more important things that matter.

[wide-e-wide]

I just heard what he said and I am awww that people freak out about this? Well no I am not it is the norm now. There is such a double standard in this country it is ridiculous and we live in vaginaville. He was joking! If it had been a black radio person that was making fun of white people by calling them dorky with some dorky haircuts then you would not hear one thing. People need to start plucking the sensitivity cucumber out of their butt and worry about more important things that matter.

This country is going in the shi..ter dude...seriously. We have become a nation of everybody wins don't hurt feelings whining little female dogs.

[pack0808]

This country is going in the shi..ter dude...seriously. We have become a nation of everybody wins don't hurt feelings whining little female dogs.

It is out of control! You cannot say anything anymore because it might offend somebody and you might lose your job over it. What happened to free speech?

[wide-e-wide]

It is out of control! You cannot say anything anymore because it might offend somebody and you might lose your job over it. What happened to free speech?

America the pussaful
It's enough to really piss off the average American

[jtk1519]

Almost as stupid as a person freaking out over an avatar. :rolleyes:

[wide-e-wide]

Almost as stupid as a person freaking out over an avatar. :rolleyes:

your mother.

[jtk1519]

your mother.

You can just waive your little white flag man. Or just waive your little sooner hat... same thing.

[Firebird]

Wow....so now, the "manly" thing to do is call a team of college girls that you don't even know "ho's". You're wussified if you don't, and you are wussified if you see something wrong with that.

Place me firmly in the "wuss" camp if that's the case. I guess that I missed the memo that being a real man meant having a foul, insulting mouth. There isn't one man I looked up to growing up that talked that way.

[cyfallsgoalie31]

"....Не тревожьте себя. Все будет правильно, на этом построен мир." М Булгаков.
".... Do not disturb itself. All will be correct, on it the world is constructed. " M Bulgakov.

[Firebird]

".... Do not disturb itself. All will be correct, on it the world is constructed. " M Bulgakov.


Not exactly, you always lose something when you use an online translator..

...Do not trouble yourself. Everything will be made right, that is what the world is built upon". M. Bulgakov.

[cyfallsgoalie31]

Not exactly, you always lose something when you use an online translator..

...Do not trouble yourself. Everything will be made right, that is what the world is built upon". M. Bulgakov.
So I cheated, heck it got me through Spanish IV. :p

[Firebird]

It is out of control! You cannot say anything anymore because it might offend somebody and you might lose your job over it. What happened to free speech?

Your free speech is still there. You can say what you want, and if your job is in the public eye, your boss can fire you for talking like an idiot and making the broadcast company look bad.

You are free to say what you want and not fear imprisonment or prosecution. But you aren't guaranteed free speech with no consequences.

[pack0808]

Your free speech is still there. You can say what you want, and if your job is in the public eye, your boss can fire you for talking like an idiot and making the broadcast company look bad.

You are free to say what you want and not fear imprisonment or prosecution. But you aren't guaranteed free speech with no consequences.


I am adding you to the wussy pc boy category. Give me a break! It was nothing more then a innocent comment get a grip. You know dang well there is a major double standard and people are way way too sensitive and pc these days. It is out of control and you obviously support this gay bs. Congrats on being a wussy sensitive boy. ;)


And don't give me your spill on free speech? Howard Stern can say whatever he wants concerning sex and a black or hispanic radio dj or host can say whatever they want on white people and you would never hear one thing. Like I said, major double standard. The sensitivity to only certain things is nauseating and hypocritical.

[Firebird]

Yeah, I wish I was a manly man that called college girls I don't even know whores...that's the manliest thing I can think of.:rolleyes:

[pack0808]

Yeah, I wish I was a manly man that called college girls I don't even know whores...that's the manliest thing I can think of.:rolleyes:



Nobody said I agreed with what he said? It is simply nothing to freak out about like a little B is all I am saying. :rolleyes:

[RocklandDragon]

Rarely do I go to this website because if you view it on your computer, your screen will suddenly TILT to the LEFT...

:D

Still, this isn't the first time that Imus has said something to inflame an audience...and it certainly won't be the last. I imagined he only apologized this time because MSNBC encouraged him to say so.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704060005

Here's a quote from one of Imus's former sports reporters. I believe he said this while on the Imus show; so like I said before, race controversy isn't new for Imus's show.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703280001

[Sacred Ground]

The end maybe near for Don Imus as Rev. Al Sharpton and his followers plan to protest against WFAN-AM in New York the home of the Imus radio show until Imus resigns.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/040707dnnatimusradio.1d7a1ad.html

[jrock210]

I agree

Your avatar is lame!!!! Barcelona has one of the greats but got beat by the German's best!

[pack0808]

The end maybe near for Don Imus as Rev. Al Sharpton and his followers plan to protest against WFAN-AM in New York the home of the Imus radio show until Imus resigns.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/040707dnnatimusradio.1d7a1ad.html


God that is nauseating. Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson are a joke!

[RocklandDragon]

The end maybe near for Don Imus as Rev. Al Sharpton and his followers plan to protest against WFAN-AM in New York the home of the Imus radio show until Imus resigns.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/040707dnnatimusradio.1d7a1ad.html

Huh?

Al Sharpton is still alive?

:eek:

[toddg]

God that is nauseating. Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson are a joke!

a joke that has been repeated one too many times.

[CoveMom]

God that is nauseating. Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson are a joke!

I agree. However.....

Because I feel the need to chime in on this one, here's my .02. It probably wasn't the "ho" part of the comment that got people so upset. It was the blatant racism inherent in the term "nappy-headed" that did the trick. I listened to and watched Imus for years (started while I lived in Jersey, quit about 3 years ago) and his racist comments have gotten worse over the years. He controls himself most of the time and that's why he thinks it okay to throw out the "soft" racism comments that he does. Nappy-headed, when not referring to one's own child (or close relative/very close friend), or used by a white person, is a racist term. Period. That's coming from a white girl whose white children have been called nappy-headed by her black girlfriends for years. We are that close.

thanks for listening.

[pack0808]

I agree. However.....

Because I feel the need to chime in on this one, here's my .02. It probably wasn't the "ho" part of the comment that got people so upset. It was the blatant racism inherent in the term "nappy-headed" that did the trick. I listened to and watched Imus for years (started while I lived in Jersey, quit about 3 years ago) and his racist comments have gotten worse over the years. He controls himself most of the time and that's why he thinks it okay to throw out the "soft" racism comments that he does. Nappy-headed, when not referring to one's own child (or close relative/very close friend), or used by a white person, is a racist term. Period. That's coming from a white girl whose white children have been called nappy-headed by her black girlfriends for years. We are that close.

thanks for listening.

wuppeefreakingdoo! If it was a black dj calling a white person having a nerdy cookie cutter ***** hair cut do you think it would even be noticed? NO! double standard!

[wide-e-wide]

wuppeefreakingdoo! If it was a black dj calling a white person having a nerdy cookie cutter ***** hair cut do you think it would even be noticed? NO! double standard!

honky hair cut?:D

[wide-e-wide]

nope...wasn't honky...that got past the language filter.

[lonny23]

I think CyFallsGoalie pretty well covered any and all Dan Quayle quotes. :D
He left off the best one of all...

"You spell potato, POTATOE!":p

In all seriousness, I liked Dan Quayle. I know he made plenty of mistakes speaking just like President Bush does now, but I like those guys. I'm a huge fan of Ronald Reagan. I'm not a George H.W. Bush guy or a Cheney/John McCain fan. John Edwards and Joseph Lieberman are the only Democrats running for a Top 2 spot in the last 30 years that I've liked. I despise the rest of them.

[lonny23]

Wow....so now, the "manly" thing to do is call a team of college girls that you don't even know "ho's". You're wussified if you don't, and you are wussified if you see something wrong with that.

Place me firmly in the "wuss" camp if that's the case. I guess that I missed the memo that being a real man meant having a foul, insulting mouth. There isn't one man I looked up to growing up that talked that way.
I'm with you on that one. He was fine saying the Tennesse girls looked good, but he went over the line with what he said about Rutgers. The guys are right that there is a huge double standard as far as what different races can and can't say, but this cuts across gender lines and would've been better off not to be said.

[lonny23]

The end maybe near for Don Imus as Rev. Al Sharpton and his followers plan to protest against WFAN-AM in New York the home of the Imus radio show until Imus resigns.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/040707dnnatimusradio.1d7a1ad.html
I'm waiting for a protest against Al Sharpton. Hopefully one of these days more of the people he says he represents will see that he really doesn't represent them and is mostly profiting from them. I was so happy to see my boss and the secretary say awhile back that Al Sharpton doesn't speak for them.

[mad_fan]

He left off the best one of all...

"You spell potato, POTATOE!":p

In all seriousness, I liked Dan Quayle. I know he made plenty of mistakes speaking just like President Bush does now, but I like those guys. I'm a huge fan of Ronald Reagan. I'm not a George H.W. Bush guy or a Cheney/John McCain fan. John Edwards and Joseph Lieberman are the only Democrats running for a Top 2 spot in the last 30 years that I've liked. I despise the rest of them.

That was implied on Page 1...try to keep up...:p
NOE...

I like Dan too...:eek:

[lonny23]

That was implied on Page 1...try to keep up...:p


I like Dan too...:eek:
I caught it. I was just saying it wasn't mentioned directly.

[jtk1519]

Video of Imus on Sharpton's radio show today...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1b1_1176147032

[Sacred Ground]

Fox news has reported that Don Imus has been suspended for 2 weeks, starting Monday. My guess is that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson won't be satisfied until Imus is fired. This story has become much bigger than I had originally thought. I never watch MSNBC and apparently Don Imus is not carried in the Dallas radio market, but I know who he is now. The dude has been around a while, just not around here.

[mad_fan]

The nappy-haired old whitey should retire...

[Favpack]

The nappy-haired old whitey should retire...

A hair cut and a brain would help Imus alot. Gotta wonder about that morning drive radio in NYC.

[wide-e-wide]

A hair cut and a brain would help Imus alot. Gotta wonder about that morning drive radio in NYC.

Don't worry they still have ESPN radio...they can listen to them tell us how great the third baseman is every morning.

[farmerfan]

I dont agree with everything that Bush has done since being in office however the double standard of Sharpton alone is laughable. This is the same man who referred to our president as a thug and gang leader among other things. I dont have a list of all the controversial things that have come from the mouth of Sharpton however I know he has said many many things that should call for him being fired according to what he is doing to Imus.

[rwilleby]

I dont agree with everything that Bush has done since being in office however the double standard of Sharpton alone is laughable. This is the same man who referred to our president as a thug and gang leader among other things. I dont have a list of all the controversial things that have come from the mouth of Sharpton however I know he has said many many things that should call for him being fired according to what he is doing to Imus.

I just watched the video of Imus on Sharpton's show... It's not enough to offer an apology... or get docked a few weeks... no sorry is ever enough... I think Imus is an idiot just looking for a little shock to up the ratings... At least he's being a man about it and facing the heat... That's more than most would ever do... Including Sharpton... IMO

[Firebird]

I dont agree with everything that Bush has done since being in office however the double standard of Sharpton alone is laughable. This is the same man who referred to our president as a thug and gang leader among other things. I dont have a list of all the controversial things that have come from the mouth of Sharpton however I know he has said many many things that should call for him being fired according to what he is doing to Imus.

Sharpton is a fraud and a race baiter. His disgraceful involvement in the Tawana Brawley affair and the Crown Heights riots should have meant the end of his career as a respectable voice on the American political scene.

The black community has legitamate grievances in the USA that need to be addressed. It's too bad much of the country sees a man like Al Sharpton as the face of that movement.

[Sacred Ground]

Sharpton is a fraud and a race baiter. His disgraceful involvement in the Tawana Brawley affair and the Crown Heights riots should have meant the end of his career as a respectable voice on the American political scene.

The black community has legitamate grievances in the USA that need to be addressed. It's too bad much of the country sees a man like Al Sharpton as the face of that movement.

Good points! However, your sig puzzles me!

[Firebird]

Good points! However, your sig puzzles me!

It's a quote from my favorite novel:

Do not worry yourself. Everything will be made right, that is what the world is built on.

[Sacred Ground]

It's a quote from my favorite novel:

Do not worry yourself. Everything will be made right, that is what the world is built on.

Is that Russian text or something!

[Firebird]

yes.

[CoveMom]

yes.

you mean "Da" right?

[elprezidente]

you mean "Da" right?

duh:rolleyes:

[jtk1519]

This outrage over Imus' comments now kinda make me laugh and further cements Sharpton's status as an attention starved, spotlight seeking idiot. Where was all the outrage a few years ago when Imus called New York Times columnist Bill Rhoden the "New York Times' quota hire" (Rhoden is black) or when he called PBS' Gwen Ifill a "cleaning lady" (Ifill is too black). He constantly calls Arabs "ragheads" on air, to this day. And not too long ago he had NBC reporter Contessa Brewer on his show and when he up and left he went on a tirade and said on air, "That skank has to spend three hours with makeup in the morning." and “With that fat *** she’s got, she wouldn’t be one of them.” Where was Sharpton's outrage then? Where was the media outcry then? All Imus did the other day was vintage Imus. It's not acceptable, but he's made a career out of saying unacceptable things on air.

[mojotrain]

yes.

I now understand!

[mojotrain]

Looks like John Wayne with a drinking problem.

Throw up a picture of Albert Sharpton beside him and include a caption.

[mojotrain]

What he said was wrong, but he did not invent the word ho's and he didn't invent the word nappy head. These are words first and still used mainly by blacks in every day conversation. I've heard the term ho directed to all races of girls and women by blacks. Jessie Jackson has made terrible comments about Jews and Al Sharpton has made terrible comments about whites.

To me every body is either wrong or every body is right. Is that right or wrong? If your a big supporter of todays words in music how could you possibly be against anything that any one says about anyone.

I don't really want to argue but I really would like to hear a senseable justification for one race to be able to say anything against another but won't allow it to go the other way. I simply want to know why it can only go one way.

[CedarHillDad]

First of all i want to say that I do not like Al Sharpton, he is an idiot IMO. On the other hand I am glad that he and Jesse Jackson are keeping the pressure on this one.

The Rutgers women are all young ladies trying to further their education and play a sport that they love. They accomplished a nice feat by making it to the Championship game and now they have to hear an idiot spout off a racially charged comment. There were several things said on-air that were inappropriate. It is not ok to call a black women a "nappy headed ho", if I tried that I would be looking for my teeth after I was popped in the mouth. Then when you follow that up with "Jigaboo" that raised it to another level. Call me wuss all day if you would like but black or white, Green or Yellow, I would take a person in the back alley if they disrespected my Fam in that way.

The double standard that persists in our society is wrong, but just because it exists does not make it ok to use that as an excuse for "blowing off" comments like this when they arise. Just my .02

[Firebird]

First of all i want to say that I do not like Al Sharpton, he is an idiot IMO. On the other hand I am glad that he and Jesse Jackson are keeping the pressure on this one.

The Rutgers women are all young ladies trying to further their education and play a sport that they love. They accomplished a nice feat by making it to the Championship game and now they have to hear an idiot spout off a racially charged comment. There were several things said on-air that were inappropriate. It is not ok to call a black women a "nappy headed ho", if I tried that I would be looking for my teeth after I was popped in the mouth. Then when you follow that up with "Jigaboo" that raised it to another level. Call me wuss all day if you would like but black or white, Green or Yellow, I would take a person in the back alley if they disrespected my Fam in that way.

The double standard that persists in our society is wrong, but just because it exists does not make it ok to use that as an excuse for "blowing off" comments like this when they arise. Just my .02

Exactly. I tried first of all to put myself in the shoes of say, one of the Rutgers girls' father. If someone called my daughter that on the air, I'd first of all want to punch him in the mouth, after that I would be after his job.

Remember that these are 18, 19, 20 year old girls. They are no pro athletes or entertainers. They don't deserve to get that kind of crap directed at them.

[rwilleby]

Exactly. I tried first of all to put myself in the shoes of say, one of the Rutgers girls' father. If someone called my daughter that on the air, I'd first of all want to punch him in the mouth, after that I would be after his job.

Remember that these are 18, 19, 20 year old girls. They are no pro athletes or entertainers. They don't deserve to get that kind of crap directed at them.

Good point... On second thought, maybe he should be doing something else... Go to MX and get off of the "free" airwaves... If everyone stops listening, he goes away... But should we not hold others to the same standard? Just wondering?

[CedarHillDad]

Good point... On second thought, maybe he should be doing something else... Go to MX and get off of the "free" airwaves... If everyone stops listening, he goes away... But should we not hold others to the same standard? Just wondering?

when sharpton says something stupid (which he will) he should be held up to the same standards.

[Drake]

First of all i want to say that I do not like Al Sharpton, he is an idiot IMO. On the other hand I am glad that he and Jesse Jackson are keeping the pressure on this one.

The Rutgers women are all young ladies trying to further their education and play a sport that they love. They accomplished a nice feat by making it to the Championship game and now they have to hear an idiot spout off a racially charged comment. There were several things said on-air that were inappropriate. It is not ok to call a black women a "nappy headed ho", if I tried that I would be looking for my teeth after I was popped in the mouth. Then when you follow that up with "Jigaboo" that raised it to another level. Call me wuss all day if you would like but black or white, Green or Yellow, I would take a person in the back alley if they disrespected my Fam in that way.

The double standard that persists in our society is wrong, but just because it exists does not make it ok to use that as an excuse for "blowing off" comments like this when they arise. Just my .02When we got home from a dinner date Saturday night, my wife and I flipped on the TV and stumbled across some kind of P. Diddy comedy club show on HBO. The comedians on the show were so vile and disgusting, so derogatory towards black women, so racists towards all races, so comfortable spewing the "N" word, that my wife, even though she had had some wine, had to excuse herself from the room. Of course, being the boor I am, I laughed along, but not as hard as most of the black men and women in the audience seemed to be.

But I got to thinking, "why is this okay?" and why such a double standard?

I agree CHDad that what Imus said is really indefensible, but why must only whites be punished for racists remarks? I'm sure there's a good answer...

[CedarHillDad]

When we got home from a dinner date Saturday night, my wife and I flipped on the TV and stumbled across some kind of P. Diddy comedy club show. The comedians on the show were so vile and disgusting, so derogatory towards black women, so racists towards all races, so comfortable spewing the "N" word, that my wife, even though she had had some wine, had to excuse herself from the room. Of course, being the boor I am, I laughed just like most of the black men and women in the audience seemed to be doing. It was funny.

But I got to thinking, "why is this okay?" and why such a double standard?

I agree CHDad that what Imus said is really indefensible, but why must only whites be punished for racists remarks? I'm sure there's a good answer...

I really do not know how to answer your question except to say, there are things individuals should say and things that they shouldn't. Comedians in general make fun about their own race all the time, some of it is funny and some is not. I watched the same show you did and laughed really hard at some of it and had a puzzled expression part of the time. I have heard jewish comedians say things I would never think is appropriate as well as white comedians. But just b/c they talk about something that relates to them about their own community does not mean it can cross over and be repeated by someone of another gender or race. Each time a black comedian says "I see we have some white people in the audience" I cringe a little bit b/c I know he is ready to say something he should probably keep to himself.

People make comments every day that should not be made. I am not trying to say everyone should be strung up for their comments but you should know when you have crossed a line and be held accountable, that goes for any race or gender.

[mojotrain]

Therefore we are all right or we are all wrong. If standards are only demanded of one side or the other then the battle lines will always exist. I know that some will never see it this way and that is a shame.

Again, I know some don't want to see it as either we are all right or we are all wrong, knowing all the while that presently, its perfectly fine to demean both sexes of other races and color. Thats what I'm wanting to understand. What is your justification in this?

[pack0808]

PC has taken over this country but only in certain areas. Like I have said along with many others! There is a major double standard in this country. People are so sensitive to only certain things and it really gets nauseating at times. Why are white people and jews supposed to take it and not the opposite. Almost every single black comedian or radio dj I have seen or listened to make deragotory comments and make fun of white people along with jews. Just watch a black comedian and you will see. Call them whitey, crackers, crazy honkeys, and talk nerdy etc etc You do not see any white jessie jackson's or al sharpton's making a big deal about this when it happens do you? No! It is not even mentioned. I am just saying people should relax and not get their panties in a wad over words. And I am also saying that it is hypocritical when they do. Now if it is just disgusting language like using the N word then you have it coming. But this was harmless in my view and there is much more important things to worry about then what don imus says. He has been making edgy comments for years. That is part of his persona. Black comedians like chris rock make Imus look like a saint in the supposed racist category. People need to stop taking little things so seriously and loosen up their sphincter.

[slorch]

hate everyone equally. It's easier that way...:rolleyes:

[CedarHillDad]

PC has taken over this country but only in certain areas. Like I have said along with many others! There is a major double standard in this country. People are so sensitive to only certain things and it really gets nauseating at times. Why are white people and jews supposed to take it and not the opposite. Almost every single black comedian or radio dj I have seen or listened to make deragotory comments and make fun of white people along with jews. Just watch a black comedian and you will see. Call them whitey, crackers, crazy honkeys, and talk nerdy etc etc You do not see any white jessie jackson's or al sharpton's making a big deal about this when it happens do you? No! It is not even mentioned. I am just saying people should relax and not get their panties in a wad over words. And I am also saying that it is hypocritical when they do. Now if it is just disgusting language like using the N word then you have it coming. But this was harmless in my view and there is much more important things to worry about then what don imus says. He has been making edgy comments for years. That is part of his persona. Black comedians like chris rock make Imus look like a saint in the supposed racist category. People need to stop taking little things so seriously and loosen up their sphincter.

so the "N" word is disgusting language and "Jigaboo" is not? I strongly disagree.

[BlackandRed05]

Therefore we are all right or we are all wrong. If standards are only demanded of one side or the other then the battle lines will always exist. I know that some will never see it this way and that is a shame.

Again, I know some don't want to see it as either we are all right or we are all wrong, knowing all the while that presently, its perfectly fine to demean both sexes of other races and color. Thats what I'm wanting to understand. What is your justification in this?

Standards need to be demanded on our own sides first. Black people need to say to their own people, " OK enough is enough. No more talk like that will be acceptable from the black community" and so the same with the white people. Until then, nothings going to change.

[pack0808]

so the "N" word is disgusting language and "Jigaboo" is not? I strongly disagree.

I did not hear the jigaboo part I just heard nappy headed ho's. That is similar to a black person calling some poor looking white people trailer park trash. Yes jigaboo was not a smart thing to say and crossed the line a bit but it still does not compare to the N word. But is cracker, whitey, crazy honkey and white trailer trash ok to say? I hear black comedians and dj's use those words all the time.

[CedarHillDad]

I did not hear the jigaboo part I just heard nappy headed ho's. That is similar to a black person calling some poor looking white people trailer park trash. Yes jigaboo was not a smart thing to say and crossed the line a bit but it still does not compare to the N word. But is cracker, whitey, crazy honkey and white trailer trash ok to say? I hear black comedians and dj's use those words all the time.

none of that is ok to say. I do not like any of those terms. I think there is a double standard the problem is how do you address fixing it? If you try to fix it you also run the risk of being too restrictive. That is where my frustrations begin, I do not have an answer to those questions. Personally Imus crossed the line for me, for others he may not have. We all have opinions that is why we are individuals.

What can I do to show my disdain for him? do not listen to his show, picket, demand an apology? In the end he is free to say whatever he wants but he should also realize there will be a certain amount of backlash because of it. Should other races or genders start speaking out if something bothers them? absolutely

[twcpfan1]

The double standard will cease once the starting point becomes a level playing field. And we all know that is never going to be a reality.

[mad_fan]

The double standard will cease once the starting point becomes a level playing field. And we all know that is never going to be a reality.

Where is this starting point to which you refer???:confused:

[twcpfan1]

Where is this starting point to which you refer???:confused:

I'm talking about the opportunities and advantages extended by society to people who are born of one ethnicity compared to another. It may not be sanctioned by law, but it's just the way things are.

The double standard exists in an attempt to somehow balance things out.

[mad_fan]

I'm talking about the opportunities and advantages extended by society to people who are born of one ethnicity compared to another. It may not be sanctioned by law, but it's just the way things are.

The double standard exists in an attempt to somehow balance things out.

Oh...I see...the smart Asians that get all the good programming and engineering jobs...

[twcpfan1]

Oh...I see...the smart Asians that get all the good programming and engineering jobs...

That is an example of it....yes. There are plenty of others concerning many more ethnicities.

[mad_fan]

The double standard will cease once the starting point becomes a level playing field. And we all know that is never going to be a reality.

I guess I'm concused...
So what's NOT level???

[farmerfan]

when sharpton says something stupid (which he will) he should be held up to the same standards.

Sharpton has said just as bad as what Imus has yet nobody is holding him up to those standards. Sharpton is a hypocrite and horrible human being and it sickens me that nobody has the guts to ask him or bring up all the controversial stuff he has done and said.

[pack0808]

I'm talking about the opportunities and advantages extended by society to people who are born of one ethnicity compared to another. It may not be sanctioned by law, but it's just the way things are.

The double standard exists in an attempt to somehow balance things out.


The field is more then level now this is not the 60's anymore. In fact, minorities have advantages in many areas now simply because of their skin color. Jobs, getting into college etc etc. A Black, Indian, Asia, hispanic etc etc person has the same opportunities as a white person and then some in this day and age.

[CedarHillDad]

Sharpton has said just as bad as what Imus has yet nobody is holding him up to those standards. Sharpton is a hypocrite and horrible human being and it sickens me that nobody has the guts to ask him or bring up all the controversial stuff he has done and said.

I agree.

[twcpfan1]

The field is more then level now this is not the 60's anymore. In fact, minorities have advantages in many areas now simply because of their skin color. Jobs, getting into college etc etc. A Black, Indian, Asia, hispanic etc etc person has the same opportunities as a white person and then some in this day and age.

You're talking about keeping things equal through law, quotas and regulation. What cannot be regulated are people's hearts and minds.

I guess the ultimate question is, if you were white, do you think your life would have turned out the exact same way had you been born black?

[HUM398]

when sharpton says something stupid (which he will) he should be held up to the same standards.

Which he wont.

[pack0808]

You're talking about keeping things equal through law, quotas and regulation. What cannot be regulated are people's hearts and minds.

I guess the ultimate question is, if you were white, do you think your life would have turned out the exact same way had you been born black?


Well it all depends on the type of family that raised me IMO not on my skin color or my parents skin color.

[mojotrain]

This is connected but off of the Imus point. The true key to merging of the races in the 60's was to establish open and equal education for those of any race. Without going into all the problems created by that law it was done and the goal was reached. I say right here that it was a right and just law. Any one of any race can now get equal, good or bad , education. If, in fact this is the route they take. There are examples of all races in the highest level goverment, education and all types of tech. fields. The equal opportunity is there and has been obtained and works for every race in the USA.

If some people feel like equal opportunity means in a company of 100 employees there should be a equal number of all races that make up that 100 then I say thats not equal.

There are just too many arguments against the idea the opportunities are not there for minorities. Percentage wise based on the number of each race, current laws actually dictate in education and hiring practices that really give an advantage for the minorities.

[mad_fan]

You're talking about keeping things equal through law, quotas and regulation. What cannot be regulated are people's hearts and minds.

I guess the ultimate question is, if you were white, do you think your life would have turned out the exact same way had you been born black?

:eek: If I was a different...white guy...my life would be...different...

[mojotrain]

One thing Imus has achieved. Did you watch the ladies news interview?
Imus became the greatest recruiting tool in the history of college basketball. The coach saw the opening and made the best of it. Every top girl in the country will be breaking down the doors.

[BlackandRed05]

If Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy or Steve Harvey had called them nappy headed ho's, what would everyones reaction be?

[Drake]

Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and a few others exploit these instances for their own gain and hurt black people in the process...

This Imus thing is a perfect example... Most people thought it offensive and intolerable what Imus and his sidekick said, but now the issue has turned to "double standard" issue because of Sharpton and Jackson's relentless opportunism on the matter... Eventually they'll make Imus the victim here.

[wide-e-wide]

I've seen Chris Rock's name pop up a few times in this thread. To his credit he has been very vocal with his feelings about the black community. In fact he received quite a bit of flack for the bit he did explaining the difference between black folks and "n-words". So he talks trash about everybody...not just white people.

[#1DawgFan]

Sharpton has said just as bad as what Imus has yet nobody is holding him up to those standards. Sharpton is a hypocrite and horrible human being and it sickens me that nobody has the guts to ask him or bring up all the controversial stuff he has done and said.

Exactly...can you say double standard

I don't give a rip about Imus or Sharpton. They are media whores who act like they care but they are only out for themselves at the expense of those that follow them blindly. Oh they do accomplish a few good deeds here and there so they can tell everyone what a great person they are. What Imus said was stupid and wrong but lets not over react. How many of the Rutgers girls have even heard of Don Imus much less listened to him on the radio? I heard on players answer to the question of whether she though he should be fired and she said she wasn't sure what should happen to DOUG Imus:rolleyes:

[#1DawgFan]

I will bet money that there will be a lawsuit for money to help ease the mental anguish of the coaches and players for Rutgers. What has happened to this world. Rappers can sing about beating or killing ho's and *****es and poppin a cap in someone and there is no outrage at all. As a matter of fact their cd's fly off the shelves. You can't have it both ways. Either toughen up and decide that your not going to let somebody you could care less about hurt your feelings or crawl into a hole somewhere.

[LoneRocket]

I will bet money that there will be a lawsuit for money to help ease the mental anguish of the coaches and players for Rutgers. What has happened to this world. Rappers can sing about beating or killing ho's and *****es and poppin a cap in someone and there is no outrage at all. As a matter of fact their cd's fly off the shelves. You can't have it both ways. Either toughen up and decide that your not going to let somebody you could care less about hurt your feelings or crawl into a hole somewhere.

I do not think there will be a lawsuit because what Imus said was in poor taste but not illegal. Rappers say those types of thing because people by their CD’s and the producers, labels condone it because they are making money (mostly from White Suburban kids) off of it. When people in general stop condoning by purchasing music with those types of lyrics it will not continue.

[mojotrain]

I will bet money that there will be a lawsuit for money to help ease the mental anguish of the coaches and players for Rutgers. What has happened to this world. Rappers can sing about beating or killing ho's and *****es and poppin a cap in someone and there is no outrage at all. As a matter of fact their cd's fly off the shelves. You can't have it both ways. Either toughen up and decide that your not going to let somebody you could care less about hurt your feelings or crawl into a hole somewhere.

Pretty good post for a Mitlan person.:)

[LoneRocket]

Standards need to be demanded on our own sides first. Black people need to say to their own people, " OK enough is enough. No more talk like that will be acceptable from the black community" and so the same with the white people. Until then, nothings going to change.

Black people do not all think alike, just like White, Brown, Red or Yellow do not think alike. You have do right by your family, friends and self and maybe it will rub off on others.

[#1DawgFan]

I do not think there will be a lawsuit because what Imus said was in poor taste but not illegal. Rappers say those types of thing because people by their CD’s and the producers, labels condone it because they are making money (mostly from White Suburban kids) off of it. When people in general stop condoning by purchasing music with those types of lyrics it will continue.

mostly white surburban kids? is that just a hunch or do you have some sort of info backing that up. That is just a cop out. I know my kids listen to it and I let them make their own choices when it comes to music. I agree 100% with your last statement

[LoneRocket]

Oh...I see...the smart Asians that get all the good programming and engineering jobs...

I had once lost a tech job because they found an Asian and an Indian from overseas who would do my job for 30 dollars less an hour.

[LoneRocket]

mostly white surburban kids? is that just a hunch or do you have some sort of info backing that up. That is just a cop out. I know my kids listen to it and I let them make their own choices when it comes to music. I agree 100% with your last statement

I read an article about 8 years ago stating the demographic who buys rap music are white surburban kids because it was at the time an untapped market.

[mojotrain]

:eek: If I was a different...white guy...my life would be...different...

Had I been born after 1957 and a black. Then It would have been up to my caretakers and ultimatly me. To many successful black storys in todays world to keep old excuses. Education is the one and only key to success and its available to all, more so to minorities.

[#1DawgFan]

I had once lost a tech job because they found an Asian and an Indian from overseas who would do my job for 30 dollars less an hour.



They aren't that damn smart leaving so much money on the table;)

[wide-e-wide]

mostly white surburban kids? is that just a hunch or do you have some sort of info backing that up. That is just a cop out. I know my kids listen to it and I let them make their own choices when it comes to music. I agree 100% with your last statement

Look at the millions and millions and millions of records Tupac alone sold...do you think that only black kids bought those?
Watch footage from his concerts...thousands of white kids...literally.
It would be hard to give exact numbers ...but I'd be willing to bet that at least 60% of rap albums are bought by white kids/people.

[LoneRocket]

There are just too many arguments against the idea the opportunities are not there for minorities. Percentage wise based on the number of each race, current laws actually dictate in education and hiring practices that really give an advantage for the minorities.

Actually in the state of Texas that is illegal in education. At some universities they allow Legacy and Provisional enrollment with mostly benefits white students. In hiring it is not always the case, from my experience it is more of who you know not what you know.

[LoneRocket]

Look at the millions and millions and millions of records Tupac alone sold...do you think that only black kids bought those?
Watch footage from his concerts...thousands of white kids...literally.
It would be hard to give exact numbers ...but I'd be willing to bet that at least 60% of rap albums are bought by white kids/people.

My friends went to a PE concert in Austin and there were mostly White kids there and the PE are in their 40's. Same with Living Colur and Fishbone.

[LoneRocket]

Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and a few others exploit these instances for their own gain and hurt black people in the process...

This Imus thing is a perfect example... Most people thought it offensive and intolerable what Imus and his sidekick said, but now the issue has turned to "double standard" issue because of Sharpton and Jackson's relentless opportunism on the matter... Eventually they'll make Imus the victim here.

So did Bill Bennet, Hagy, Bill Cosby, Senator Allen, Ray Nagan, Lance Armstrong, The guy from greys anatomy, Rush and O'Reily. They had made comments in the past also.

[Drake]

I do not think there will be a lawsuit because what Imus said was in poor taste but not illegal. Rappers say those types of thing because people by their CD’s and the producers, labels condone it because they are making money (mostly from White Suburban kids) off of it. When people in general stop condoning by purchasing music with those types of lyrics it will continue.Well, if that's the case, shouldn't the same standard be used on Imus? Shouldn't the market determine his fate as opposed to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

[wide-e-wide]

My friends when to a PE concert in Austin and there were mostly White kids there and the PE is in the 40's. Same with Living Colur and Fishbone.

I went to 2 Public Enemy concerts in the '90's and there was a ton of white kids there. Including headbangers with PE shirts on...haha

Anyone that doubts the tremendous impact rap music has on white surburban kids should listen to Eminem's "White America".

[LoneRocket]

Well, if that's the case, shouldn't the same standard be used on Imus? Shouldn't the market determine his fate as opposed to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?

That is up to his employer and the Rutgers team not us. If I made those statements I would be told to clean out my office, but that is my employer.

[LoneRocket]

I went to 2 Public Enemy concerts in the '90's and there was a ton of white kids there. Including headbangers with PE shirts on...haha

Anyone that doubts the tremendous impact rap music has on white surburban kids should listen to Eminem's "White America".

I remember the day after a 2 live crew concert I saw a Hispanic kid with a shirt in bold letters that read 2 Black 2 Strong. Not only Black kids are buying their items. Then again my dad would had tried to hurt me if I went to that concert.

[wide-e-wide]

I remember the day after a 2 live crew concert I saw a Hispanic kid with a shirt in bold letters that read 2 Black 2 Strong. Not only Black kids are buying their items. Then again my dad would had tried to hurt me if I went to that concert.

I had one of those shirts in HS. ha!! Bright yellow with red and green letters.
Got some really weird looks from the LHS faculty.

[K-Rock]

Al and Jessie and Imus are all the same. They will use this and milk it for ratings and exposure. According to someone on this board, the Rutgers coach did the same thing. Sad.....

Al and Jessie wil protest not until Imus is fired, but until MSNBC makes a hefty contribution to the Rainbow Coalition.

The protest will give Imus something to talk about on his show and draw ratings to see "what crazy thing he will say next" or give him a platform to jump over to satellite.

Rutgers stays in the spotlight a lot longer than deserved for winning the girls NCAA Chapionship that no one really watched. They will use this to recruit.

ESPN wins because they have blown up the story and created a media frenzy that will fill air space and create controversy.

FOX and CNN win because they can bring in people to fight over this issue on their shows.

Papers win because they will sell issues covering this story.

Everyone wins.....

Sad.....

[pack0808]

I've seen Chris Rock's name pop up a few times in this thread. To his credit he has been very vocal with his feelings about the black community. In fact he received quite a bit of flack for the bit he did explaining the difference between black folks and "n-words". So he talks trash about everybody...not just white people.


I think Chris Rock is funny as hell and laugh when he makes fun of white people along with everybody else. I was just pointing out the double standard.

[whyzat]

I went to 2 Public Enemy concerts in the '90's and there was a ton of white kids there. Including headbangers with PE shirts on...haha

Anyone that doubts the tremendous impact rap music has on white surburban kids should listen to Eminem's "White America".

I agree. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that all kids now receive the same quality of public education. Maybe that universal benefit is a factor in the shared preference for music.

[RocklandDragon]

Well, Don Imus has been permanently dismissed from MSNBC. I don't know if his radio show will continue....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265441,00.html

[rwilleby]

Well, Don Imus has been permanently dismissed from MSNBC. I don't know if his radio show will continue....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,265441,00.html

I heard that... This has probably gone too far... Especially for a crime of stupidity...

[t-long20]

I'm talking about the opportunities and advantages extended by society to people who are born of one ethnicity compared to another. It may not be sanctioned by law, but it's just the way things are.

The double standard exists in an attempt to somehow balance things out.

You're talking about keeping things equal through law, quotas and regulation. What cannot be regulated are people's hearts and minds.

I guess the ultimate question is, if you were white, do you think your life would have turned out the exact same way had you been born black?

this is the one time i actually agree with cavalierdad good post,now everyone should understand why there is a double standard im not saying its right but its there alright

[elprezidente]

this is the one time i actually agree with cavalierdad good post,now everyone should understand why there is a double standard im not saying its right but its there alright
cuz it payback for the white man trying to take over the world, keep the blackman down, exploit the chicano, and dominate all "inferior" nations around the world??

I SAID IT! AND WHAT!?! :eek:

[LoneRocket]

this is the one time i actually agree with cavalierdad good post,now everyone should understand why there is a double standard im not saying its right but its there alright

Tim Hardaway was fired by the NBA for making comments about Gays before the all star break.

Michael Irvin was fired by ESPN for his remarks about Romo.

Marv Albert got his NBA commentator job back after doing some freaky deeky stuff with a woman in a motel room and then had to work out his legal issues because of it.

If his employer decided to fire him for violating their policies (which he has a history), it is their right.

[t-long20]

Tim Hardaway was fired by the NBA for making comments about Gays before the all star break.

Michael Irvin was fired by ESPN for his remarks about Romo.

Marv Albert got his NBA commentator job back after doing some freaky deeky stuff with a woman in a motel and then had to work out his legal issues.

If his employer decided to fire him for violating their policies (which he has a history), it is their right.

i dont know why you quoted me but ok, yea people have to be held accountable for what they say especially in the public eye

[HUM398]

I went to 2 Public Enemy concerts in the '90's and there was a ton of white kids there. Including headbangers with PE shirts on...haha

Anyone that doubts the tremendous impact rap music has on white surburban kids should listen to Eminem's "White America".

Its no Doubt that white Suburban kids are the key to the success of Hip Hop 80% of all rap/R&B bought in stores and downloaded are white suburban kids.

[t-long20]

Its no Doubt that white Suburban kids are the key to the success of Hip Hop 80% of all rap/R&B bought in stores and downloaded are white suburban kids.

but nowadays music is downloaded for free;)

[LoneRocket]

Its no Doubt that white Suburban kids are the key to the success of Hip Hop 80% of all rap/R&B bought in stores and downloaded are white suburban kids.

I saw on the news two years ago at a 50 cent concert at a venue in a neighborhood where mostly minorities live. The news showed live shots of the crowd and the audience was almost entirely young White kids. That is whom the rappers are catering to, it probably is their most stable economic base.

[DiamondJ2]

Here is an interesting article on this thread.

http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time-for-jackson-sharpton-to-step-down/20070411111509990001

[Mac Is Back]

Here's my problem with the situation.


1. Don Imus is, first and foremost, an incompetent idiot.

2. Why are people making this such a huge deal? a) It's his opinion and his right to say what he wants regardless of derogatory nature and b) this sort of stuff happens ALL THE TIME.

3. If Dave Chapelle had said the exact same thing as Imus, America would have laughed and never mentioned it again.

4. People are getting bent out of shape about the 'race' and sexist issue this presents. Most notable among the protesters is pop culture, which is the ULTIMATE IRONY. To have the people backing 50 Cent and The Game shun sexism and racial slurs on a public medium is utterly hilarious to me. No other major American culture forum makes such a disgrace of our moral integrity towards women and race.

5. Don Imus should not have apologized like he did. WHY? Because they all do that. Isaiah Washington of Grey's Anatomy made his remarks, then when the public turned against him, he apologized and met with prominent members of the gay community. Now Imus is apologizing for voicing his opinion or attempting to be funny (whichever you believe) and has requested to meet further with Rev. Al Sharpton and the Rutgers basketball team. See a trend?

6. Why is it that African Americans get all bent out of shape when white people say the n-word, yet are perfectly content with calling each other the word? You cannot make a reasonable argument in favor of the word's derogatory meaning if the people who take offense to it use it in reference to each other. Also, African-American history is NOT an excuse. Black slavery was a horrible thing. However, nobody alive today went through it. Therefore, personifying black stereotypes because your ancestors suffered makes NO SENSE.

Here's the deal: Don Imus had no real reason to say what he did. That's understood. BUT his comments are protected by his 1st Amendment rights and as far as I'm concerned, he's not obligated to make amends. He was trying to be funny (he sucks) and said something rude. He is not instigating violence, and as such he is voicing an opinion or rather a right to say what he wants. That said, he's still an idiot.

[RocklandDragon]

Here is an interesting article on this thread.

http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time-for-jackson-sharpton-to-step-down/20070411111509990001

NOW THAT'S A DAMN GOOD ARTICLE!!!

Whitlock may not be the best sportswriter, but he is correct in many regards with this.

Hell, Jesse Jackson, a so-called preacher, had a kid out of WEDLOCK! Jackson has absolutely no moral authority, and his words are empty to me. Does anyone remember when there was a club fire in Chicago that had killed 20 people and Jackson was mostly silent. This article displays his two-faced actions towards the people he is supposed to represent.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030303-426049,00.html

What a scumbag...and the media never challenges Jackson and Sharpton; therefore, a new voice doesn't emerge.

There are so many people who lead different organizations who are definitely more genuine, definitely smarter and work harder and do not shake down corporations to feed their own pockets.

:mad:

Plus...to be on topic, here are things that people have said in Radio. Many statements in here are far more profane and definitely more hateful than what Imus said. Imus is not excused from this...the Rutgers team didn't deserved to be insulted on air for just playing ball.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18057327/displaymode/1107//s/2/framenumber/1

[RocklandDragon]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/12/imus.rutgers/index.html

This should be the end of the apology tour. MSNBC has pulled the plug but I don't expect CBS Radio to do so.

I guess the story is about to die off....

:D

[KT2000]

Here is an interesting article on this thread.

http://sports.aol.com/whitlock/_a/time-for-jackson-sharpton-to-step-down/20070411111509990001

I don't always agree with Whitlock, but that's a great article.

[pack0808]

I don't always agree with Whitlock, but that's a great article.

Yeah that article is a good one!

[K-Rock]

Yeah that article is a good one!

That article should be mandatory reading for every US citizen.

[HUM398]

It was a good Article...

really, i want to meet 10 people that think that jesse jackson rep. the black community.

The guy is a joke.

[KT2000]

I think they were exposed a while ago, but the problem is they've still found a way to get in front of a microphone if the national media hasn't come directly to them for comment already.

[Firebird]

Wow....fantastic article by Whitlock. He isn't one of my favorites, but still, a great piece.

[HUM398]

I think they were exposed a while ago, but the problem is they've still found a way to get in front of a microphone if the national media hasn't come directly to them for comment already.


I honestly really dislike both Sharpton and Jackson.. They are rick snobby black folk who dont give a damn about their own people...ONLY time they show a heart of any kind towards their own...is if cash is involved.

But when you think of it... I cant really Find anyone to step in as "president" For the Black Community.

Allen Keys?

[K-Rock]

ESPN is the organization thinking adults should be offended by. They have harped on this story and made it a part of every show on their network from Mike and Mike in the Morning to Rome, PTI, Around the Horn, NFL Live, and every thirty minutes for at least the last week on ESPN News.

Jesse and Al have an excuse, they have been making money off crap like this for years. Its their game and everyone knows it.

ESPN on the other hand should be about sports. Not creating controversy and hyping crap like Imus comments.

[pack0808]

I honestly really dislike both Sharpton and Jackson.. They are rick snobby black folk who dont give a damn about their own people...ONLY time they show a heart of any kind towards their own...is if cash is involved.

But when you think of it... I cant really Find anyone to step in as "president" For the Black Community.

Allen Keys?


I met him when he came to an even in Lufkin my father was a part of. Very Good man and great speaker but the liberal media does not care for him because some of his views.

[K-Rock]

I honestly really dislike both Sharpton and Jackson.. They are rick snobby black folk who dont give a damn about their own people...ONLY time they show a heart of any kind towards their own...is if cash is involved.

But when you think of it... I cant really Find anyone to step in as "president" For the Black Community.

Allen Keys?


Bill Cosby

[K-Rock]

Or Walter Williams. He is a conservative black journalist.

[HUM398]

I honestly really dislike both Sharpton and Jackson.. They are rick snobby black folk who dont give a damn about their own people...ONLY time they show a heart of any kind towards their own...is if cash is involved.

But when you think of it... I cant really Find anyone to step in as "president" For the Black Community.

Allen Keys?


I met him when he came to an even in Lufkin my father was a part of. Very Good man and great speaker but the liberal media does not care for him because some of his views.

Yeah. i realize that.

But still, his ideas could actually work.

[RocklandDragon]

Frm. House Rep. J.C. Watts said a great line about Jesse Jackson.

He said something along this line: Jesse Jackson is nothing more than a political pimp.

Short and the absolute truth--well maybe not. I think a pimp is more dignified than Jackson. At least, they don't try to pass off as leaders of a group and a moral authoritarian.

:mad:

[BlackandRed05]

Great article! I wonder if the black community will agree with him ( Whitlock ) or will they treat him like they did Bill Cosby?

[Drake]

Jason Whitlock makes a lot of sense...

[DrEdward]

Or Walter Williams. He is a conservative black journalist.

Actually, Walter Williams is an economist. He does do some writing and on-air work on occasion. Good guy.

[Firebird]

Actually, Walter Williams is an economist. He does do some writing and on-air work on occasion. Good guy.

Yeah, I like Williams but an economist just isn't going to do the trick.

I sometimes wonder why black America needs a "spokesman" or an advocate. I'm not denying that black Americans together face many common struggles and difficulties, and I am not denying the existence of a sense of shared history and community BUT

"Black America" is composed of millions of discrete individuals, a broad spectrum of diversity of thought, political opinion, spirituality, and personal history. I just don't think one or two spokesmen do the trick as far as accuratly representing the millions of black Americans out there. I would be pretty peeved at any white preacher who claimed to be a voice or spokesman for "white America"-- he would be off his rocker.

[HUM398]

Yeah, I like Williams but an economist just isn't going to do the trick.

I sometimes wonder why black America needs a "spokesman" or an advocate. I'm not denying that black Americans together face many common struggles and difficulties, and I am not denying the existence of a sense of shared history and community BUT

"Black America" is composed of millions of discrete individuals, a broad spectrum of diversity of thought, political opinion, spirituality, and personal history. I just don't think one or two spokesmen do the trick as far as accuratly representing the millions of black Americans out there. I would be pretty peeved at any white preacher who claimed to be a voice or spokesman for "white America"-- he would be off his rocker.

Not really a spokesperson...But a Person they can look up to.

A Leader to Erase all the damage done by Sharpton and Jackson.

[Firebird]

Not really a spokesperson...But a Person they can look up to.

A Leader to Erase all the damage done by Sharpton and Jackson.

Why just one?

There are numerous black Americans worthy of being looked up to. You can find one regardless of what side of the political aisle you are on, what religion you are, no matter who you are.

There are plenty of black leaders out there, but they can't undo the damage done by Sharpton and Jackson because Sharpton and Jackson don't want it undone. They are no different from any political hucksters out there out for themselves and no one else. It's a shame that when they speak the rest of America thinks that "black America" speaks.

[RocklandDragon]

I guess I was wrong.

CBS radio did fire Don Imus.

[pack0808]

I guess I was wrong.

CBS radio did fire Don Imus.



That is just unbelievable! This guy is in the hall of fame of broadcasters and has made fun of every single religion and color and "himself" forever. It is part of the show's dry and blunt humor and is nothing new. He has been doing it for 35 years and all the sudden it is a big deal because of people like jackson and sharpton threatening everybody. This guy has spent millions of his own money to run a ranch for kids with terminal cancer for all races. He keeps them in his own home and attends all their funerals. You will never hear anything about this though. I think it is absolutely ridiculous and it just shows just how sensitive the world is today only to certain things. This takes hypocrisy to a whole other level. If you ever listen to his show nobody gets made fun of more then himself. Just sad!

[LoneRocket]

Why just one?

There are numerous black Americans worthy of being looked up to. You can find one regardless of what side of the political aisle you are on, what religion you are, no matter who you are.

There are plenty of black leaders out there, but they can't undo the damage done by Sharpton and Jackson because Sharpton and Jackson don't want it undone. They are no different from any political hucksters out there out for themselves and no one else. It's a shame that when they speak the rest of America thinks that "black America" speaks.

Look up to your parents not someone the media wants to hype up.

[LoneRocket]

That is just unbelievable! This guy is in the hall of fame of broadcasters and has made fun of every single religion and color and "himself" forever. It is part of the show's dry and blunt humor and is nothing new. He has been doing it for 35 years and all the sudden it is a big deal because of people like jackson and sharpton threatening everybody. This guy has spent millions of his own money to run a ranch for kids with terminal cancer for all races. He keeps them in his own home and attends all their funerals. You will never hear anything about this though. I think it is absolutely ridiculous and it just shows just how sensitive the world is today only to certain things. This takes hypocrisy to a whole other level. If you ever listen to his show nobody gets made fun of more then himself. Just sad!

Yes, it should had been handled by Imus and the Rutgers womens team behind closed doors.

[#1DawgFan]

Classic:rolleyes: I can't stand the guy but fire him? I'll bet the rainbow coalition gets a nice little check to help ease all the pain and suffering. This is getting out of hand. I don't think this little incident is a pimple on a gnat's a** compared to what those Duke Lacrosse players went through. But thats ok because they were rich white kids falsely accused and they probably deserve to be dragged through the mud because Sharpton was positive they were guilty and we all know what an upstanding citizen he is and he is always on the side of truth.:rolleyes:

[Mac Is Back]

The Whitlock article encompasses everything I believe about the situation. Imus' firing should come entirely from the loss of sponsorship, because loss of sponsorship means loss of money.

I love reading things that people understand that make so much sense, but hate to realize that it will never change anything. The hypocrisy of our society is appalling.

Amen to Jason Whitlock.

[ktCarl]

It's a shame that when they speak the rest of America thinks that "black America" speaks.


Dang! I hope the rest of America doesn't think that Rosie O'Donnell speaks for white Americans. :(

[Sacred Ground]

"The pot calling the kettle black"

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/4/11/150545.shtml?s=ic

[RocklandDragon]

The Whitlock article encompasses everything I believe about the situation. Imus' firing should come entirely from the loss of sponsorship, because loss of sponsorship means loss of money.

I love reading things that people understand that make so much sense, but hate to realize that it will never change anything. The hypocrisy of our society is appalling.

Amen to Jason Whitlock.

CBS Radio would have let this blown over, I'm sure of it...if the sponsors were not pulling out. That's why he was really fired. The sponsors were afraid of losing sponsors. Jackson and Sharpton would have led boycotts against the sponsors who had air time during the Imus hours. Jackson is known for being a shakedown artist--his organization goes after a corporation and will cry racism, until money is placed into his organization. Suddenly, the corporation is not racist anymore.

:rolleyes:

[t-long20]

Jason Whitlock makes a lot of sense...

yea that was a great article but if he isnt going to pitch in to do his best to help the black community hes in no position to criticize, but i do agree al sharpton and jesse jackson have got to go...i think paul mooney deserves a shot at being the black community president;)

[RocklandDragon]

Classic:rolleyes: I can't stand the guy but fire him? I'll bet the rainbow coalition gets a nice little check to help ease all the pain and suffering. This is getting out of hand. I don't think this little incident is a pimple on a gnat's a** compared to what those Duke Lacrosse players went through. But thats ok because they were rich white kids falsely accused and they probably deserve to be dragged through the mud because Sharpton was positive they were guilty and we all know what an upstanding citizen he is and he is always on the side of truth.:rolleyes:

The Tawaney Brawley case...nuff said.

No, defaming innocent people is nothing to apologize for according to Al Sharpton.

You know, he and Brawley have never fessed up to this despicable lie--being a reverend at all--doesn't he know that "bear false witness" is actually a major sin. Ruining someone's life. Sharpton must have known that Brawley was lying...but kept it up. His profile grew more, bigger donations, and more TV time as long as the lie held up.

:mad:

[LoneRocket]

The Tawaney Brawley case...nuff said.

No, defaming innocent people is nothing to apologize for according to Al Sharpton.

You know, he and Brawley have never fessed up to this despicable lie--being a reverend at all--doesn't he know that "bear false witness" is actually a major sin. Ruining someone's life. Sharpton must have known that Brawley was lying...but kept it up. His profile grew more, bigger donations, and more TV time as long as the lie held up.

:mad:

I saw an interview where he said that he took her word without investigating it. Wow it is hard to believe that was over twenty years ago. I think he had to settle a lawsuit with the law enforcement officers. I think he kept silent about the Duke thing until the arrest. Shades of Susan Smith and that other man in Boston who shot his wife and accused a Black man of doing it causing Boston cops to run roughshod in Black neighborhoods looking for suspects.

[pack0808]

"The pot calling the kettle black"

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/4/11/150545.shtml?s=ic



Savage does not play and is as blunt as they come! that is why he was fired by that same communist network.

[Sacred Ground]

Savage does not play and is as blunt as they come! that is why he was fired by that same communist network.

Savage is very bold and arrogant but very entertaining to listen too. He doesn't beat around the bush, and goes straight for the throat. He ran a poll on his website as to wheather he should run for president and has received something like 7 million votes. He says he is not a democrat or a republican and that the party system is an old dinosaur waiting to die. He's starting to get the attention of the politicians in washington because of the millions of people who tune into him each week. Personally, I don't think he will run for president because he would have to give up his radio show and tone down his name calling toward the idiots of america and the world.

If anyone is interested, he is on from 7 pm to 10 pm, Monday through Friday on http://klif.com/listen.asp in the Dallas listening area. You shouldn't have to turn off your pop-up blocker even though it says to, I never have and the window opens usually with no problems.

MSNBC is run by left-wing liberals and any news channel that puts Keith Olbermann on during primetime or anytime has to be whacked out.

[Firebird]

My best advice:

Stop turning to any sort of talk-radio or cable news commentator for your news and analysis. They are all idiots who don't believe 75% of what they say. That goes for Savage, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Franken....liberal, conservative, whatever.

Buy yourself a subscription to The Economist and turn off your TV. After three weeks, you will be the most informed person at your watercooler, guaranteed.

[jtk1519]

I love talk radio, but I approach with the mentality that they are trying to sell something because, in essence, they are. If you take that attitude going in, it helps prevent you from getting duped.

I love Savage, but more for pure entertainment. When his blood gets boiling and a rant is born, radio gold soon follows (though I do think he has some great political ideas). I used to listen to Hannity, but haven't in a while. I also like Glenn Beck a lot. I always felt he tended to approach politics with the same tongue-in-cheek attitude that I do. Can't stand O'Reilly though. He has a smugness about him that rubs me the wrong way. Keith Olbermann is the exact same way. I can't even listen to Dan Patrick's radio show for the hour Keith is on.

[Firebird]

My wife and I watch O'Reilly religiously. She has commented (accurately, IMO), that he is funnier than the SNL sketches that lampoon him. He has truly sunk into idiocy, what with his body-language segments.

I just wish an old-fashioned conservative like William F. Buckley would get his own forum. A real keeper of the flame of conservatism. But he wouldn't be stupid enough to get the ratings.

Are there any small-government, liberty loving, free-market conservatives out there anymore? Someone proud to claim the Edmund Burke as his intellectual predecessor?

[jtk1519]

I haven't watched him in a while (I don't even know what network he's on now), but I used to like Tucker Carlson a lot. He always seemed to be on shows like Crossfire, but I always wanted to hear just him. I liked a lot of what he said and he inspired me to buy a couple of bow ties.

I may get ripped for this one, but I really like Dennis Miller and would love to see him with his own political TV show. Not anything like The Daily Show, The Colbert Report or that abortion of a show Bill Maher hosts, but an actual political show in the line of The O'Reilly Factor or Countdown. He would probably never make it though because he uses too many big words and apparently some people fear big words.

Firebird, in regards to what you would like to hear, what is your opinion on guys like Larry Kudlow and James Pinkerton? They seem to, at least on the surface, fall into your criteria.

[#1DawgFan]

I love talk radio, but I approach with the mentality that they are trying to sell something because, in essence, they are. If you take that attitude going in, it helps prevent you from getting duped.

I love Savage, but more for pure entertainment. When his blood gets boiling and a rant is born, radio gold soon follows (though I do think he has some great political ideas). I used to listen to Hannity, but haven't in a while. I also like Glenn Beck a lot. I always felt he tended to approach politics with the same tongue-in-cheek attitude that I do. Can't stand O'Reilly though. He has a smugness about him that rubs me the wrong way. Keith Olbermann is the exact same way. I can't even listen to Dan Patrick's radio show for the hour Keith is on.


I agree with most everything you said. Got tired of Limbaugh after the 2000 election. I agree with a lot of what he was saying but the arrogance gets old. I do like watching O'Reilly most of the time but his arrogance gets old also. Keith Olberman is just an a***ole IMO and Patrick is very impressed with himself but entertaining every now and then.


Dennis Miller is by far my favorite. He really hits the nail on the head and uses humor to get his point across which is great. People like bill mahr (who I hate with an unholy passion) try to use humor but it falls flat and his utter arrogance makes me sick. Franken is no better IMO.... they attack with viciousness and then jump back and say its just satire......
You have got to be able to think for yourself and not let the radio heads do your thinking for you. Every one of them has an agenda.

[HUM398]

My best advice:

Stop turning to any sort of talk-radio or cable news commentator for your news and analysis. They are all idiots who don't believe 75% of what they say. That goes for Savage, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Franken....liberal, conservative, whatever.

Buy yourself a subscription to The Economist and turn off your TV. After three weeks, you will be the most informed person at your watercooler, guaranteed.

I like Sean Hannity and Glen Beck... Beck is a guy i really like to listen to because he has some pretty interesting stories... I do suggest to anyone approach Radio Shows with caution and do your research so you get both sides of the spectrum.

I don't really listen to any Liberal radio shows solely because the majority of them are REALLY boring.

[pack0808]

My favorite is Savage! His tirades (which happen often) are the best! Rush is ok but I have grown tired of his show. He is a little too arrogant for me but agree with a lot of what he says. Hannity is ok! O Reily is as arrogant as they come.

[Mhs06]

I think I heard this guy once...and his humor was so stupid and unjustified and biased it made me want to puke.

Thank god for dead talk shows.

[Firebird]

I haven't watched him in a while (I don't even know what network he's on now), but I used to like Tucker Carlson a lot. He always seemed to be on shows like Crossfire, but I always wanted to hear just him. I liked a lot of what he said and he inspired me to buy a couple of bow ties.

I may get ripped for this one, but I really like Dennis Miller and would love to see him with his own political TV show. Not anything like The Daily Show, The Colbert Report or that abortion of a show Bill Maher hosts, but an actual political show in the line of The O'Reilly Factor or Countdown. He would probably never make it though because he uses too many big words and apparently some people fear big words.

Firebird, in regards to what you would like to hear, what is your opinion on guys like Larry Kudlow and James Pinkerton? They seem to, at least on the surface, fall into your criteria.


I like Kudlow a lot, I wish he would get a venue outside of pure economics, although that is his specialty.

Pinkerton is OK, I disagree on a lot of what he says about immigration. If he would approach it like a real free-market conservative, I think he would have different thoughts on the matter.

Then again, immigration issues probably put me well outside of the mainstream of conservativism.

[jtk1519]

I like Kudlow a lot, I wish he would get a venue outside of pure economics, although that is his specialty.

Pinkerton is OK, I disagree on a lot of what he says about immigration. If he would approach it like a real free-market conservative, I think he would have different thoughts on the matter.

Then again, immigration issues probably put me well outside of the mainstream of conservativism.

Just judging by what you have said on the subjects of politics in the past, if I had to through a label on you, it would probably be "Libertarian". That could probably be defined further by going into "Neolibertarianism", but I don't know. Your ideology seems to line up with the likes of Milton Friedman and perhaps Grover Norquist. I say that with some hope since I tend to consider myself somewhat Libertarian in nature and like the idea of finding strong centrists as opposed to the hard right or hard left ideas I encounter regularly.

[mojotrain]

I honestly really dislike both Sharpton and Jackson.. They are rick snobby black folk who dont give a damn about their own people...ONLY time they show a heart of any kind towards their own...is if cash is involved.

But when you think of it... I cant really Find anyone to step in as "president" For the Black Community.

Allen Keys?

I'm pretty sure there will never be a President for the black community. The best to hope for would be a President for all