Just to Stir the Pot

[KatyTigerDad0407]

It is easier to focus on someone else when you really don't want to look in your own back yard. I personally think the Pig races in Katy are very embarrassing. So in order to take the focus off that let's focus on this question:

Will CFISD allow the Jesuits to play at the Berry Center next year?:D

[CyFallsMom]

I'm not sure why Strake playing in Berry is so important to so many but, personally, I hope and think they will get a game or two out there. I think they have proven that they can hang with us and we should be treating them as part of the 17-5a family. Next season is the last year they will be with us with Cy Woods coming along to join the fun.

Not sure where that all fits in with the pig races but if you break the pig race situation down...it is officially within the KISD boundaries but not in Katy, Texas proper...so I can still sit in Snappy's and eat their most excellent bacon without looking out the window to see where it came from!! The guy with the mosque sounds like he threatened a bit (judging from what I read about it) and he is going up against a long time Katy area family - I guess that was their way of getting back at him.

**NON POLITICALLY CORRECT STATEMENT WARNING**
This is America and, yes, it is a melting pot but that doesn't give anyone the right to come in and step on toes like he did...and then basically threaten them over their land. Of course, I'm just pissed right now because I had to call Dell over a computer issue and the call goes to India where they can't understand me and they call someone in the US to get an answer or they read me a script - all in the name of saving a buck...I know it has nothing to do with Berry, Strake or Pigs - but I want my AMERICA back!!! The one where we went to the gas station and the guy ran out in the green jumpsuit with the star on front and cleaned our windows and pumped our gas and checked our oil asked us how my day was going! I don't want to call a US company and have to speak to someone who doesn't understand me when I'm paying that company quite a bit of money.

Enough pot stirring for ya!

[BoomerSooner]

My friend told me to check out the clip of the daily show. I usually watch it every day but missed it that night. I was ashamed to be from around here when I saw that. "Get a rope, find a good tree." Anyone who condones that kind of behavior is just as bad as them.

[Texasfrog]

Keep the "Pig" races. In fact I say expand them and make a whole "Pig racing complex."

Shoot, I remember when I was a kid and going to Katy and it was nothing but farm fields. That whole area where Katy Mill's Mall is was some good dove hunting.

Long Live the "Pig Races.":D

[TIGER07]

I personally know the family that is doing the Pig Races, and trust me Craig would not do this if they did not go into his place of business and tell that he needed to pack up his business and family and move out.

This has nothing to do with racism on the Bakers part. They are not like that. So I am definately not embarassed about this.

[twcpfan1]

Excuse my ignorance here. I know about the pig races in Katy. What is the issue in Cypress?

[BlackandRed05]

I personally know the family that is doing the Pig Races, and trust me Craig would not do this if they did not go into his place of business and tell that he needed to pack up his business and family and move out.

This has nothing to do with racism on the Bakers part. They are not like that. So I am definately not embarassed about this.

I believe the only embarrasing part of it was the " get a rope" statement.

[Bobcat81]

Excuse my ignorance here. I know about the pig races in Katy. What is the issue in Cypress?

With all the CFISD teams we're going to have coming this next season, i'm confident Strake will have a few games sheduled for Berry. I just can't pucture all of their district matchups being on their home turf or a nuetral site. I'd say 2 or 3 of their games will have to be played at Berry.

....That is if something i don't know about happened and i'm not aware for it.

[rwilleby]

Just like Mr. Baker, CFISD can do what they want with their land... For a more on the pig deal, look in the off-topic section... We discussed it in a rather lengthy thread...

[cmore]

I'm not sure why Strake playing in Berry is so important to so many but, personally, I hope and think they will get a game or two out there. I think they have proven that they can hang with us and we should be treating them as part of the 17-5a family. Next season is the last year they will be with us with Cy Woods coming along to join the fun.

Not sure where that all fits in with the pig races but if you break the pig race situation down...it is officially within the KISD boundaries but not in Katy, Texas proper...so I can still sit in Snappy's and eat their most excellent bacon without looking out the window to see where it came from!! The guy with the mosque sounds like he threatened a bit (judging from what I read about it) and he is going up against a long time Katy area family - I guess that was their way of getting back at him.

**NON POLITICALLY CORRECT STATEMENT WARNING**
This is America and, yes, it is a melting pot but that doesn't give anyone the right to come in and step on toes like he did...and then basically threaten them over their land. Of course, I'm just pissed right now because I had to call Dell over a computer issue and the call goes to India where they can't understand me and they call someone in the US to get an answer or they read me a script - all in the name of saving a buck...I know it has nothing to do with Berry, Strake or Pigs - but I want my AMERICA back!!! The one where we went to the gas station and the guy ran out in the green jumpsuit with the star on front and cleaned our windows and pumped our gas and checked our oil asked us how my day was going! I don't want to call a US company and have to speak to someone who doesn't understand me when I'm paying that company quite a bit of money.

Enough pot stirring for ya!

FYI: Muslims don't hate tha pig. They just are ordered not to eat it according to their religion. The Qur'an says if they are forced to eat it becuase of starvation , then do so until God makes a way for you to eat the proper things. Whats the big deal? Jews and Muslims follow that prohibition on swine. I liked when the Muslim guy told the Goober redneck in Katy that he could roast pig and do whatever he wants. I guess the hicks in that part of the land are not well read on the religions of the world. Get ovet it already. Muslims,Jews,Catholics,Hindus are here to stay,just like Blacks,Mexicans etc.

[rwilleby]

FYI: Muslims don't hate tha pig. They just are ordered not to eat it according to their religion. The Qur'an says if they are forced to eat it becuase of starvation , then do so until God makes a way for you to eat the proper things. Whats the big deal? Jews and Muslims follow that prohibition on swine. I liked when the Muslim guy told the Goober redneck in Katy that he could roast pig and do whatever he wants. I guess the hicks in that part of the land are not well read on the religions of the world. Get ovet it already. Muslims,Jews,Catholics,Hindus are here to stay,just like Blacks,Mexicans etc.

Then why make such a big friggin' deal about it... My Grandmother wouldn't eat shell-fish because she felt the Bible indicated she shouldn't... but she didn't piss and moan about it when other people did...

I laugh at your "Hick" comment... The media makes Katy out to be some center of the redneck world... In fact, this place is closer to Houston than it is to Katy... It's not even in the Katy city limits... But it's far more enticing to push the Katy Redneck picks on the poor Muslim story line than to push it off on an International City like Houston...

The hicks in this part of the land may not be well read on the religions of the world... But we also don't have to put up with people telling us what to do on our land or maybe looking for a quick discount on neighboring land prices and trying to run people off who have lived here far longer than anyone reading about this has been alive...

What does the Qur'an say about lying, cheating and stealing? That's what this inquiring hick want to know...

[BoomerSooner]

Then why make such a big friggin' deal about it... My Grandmother wouldn't eat shell-fish because she felt the Bible indicated she shouldn't... but she didn't piss and moan about it when other people did...

I laugh at your "Hick" comment... The media makes Katy out to be some center of the redneck world... In fact, this place is closer to Houston than it is to Katy... It's not even in the Katy city limits... But it's far more enticing to push the Katy Redneck picks on the poor Muslim story line than to push it off on an International City like Houston...

The hicks in this part of the land may not be well read on the religions of the world... But we also don't have to put up with people telling us what to do on our land or maybe looking for a quick discount on neighboring land prices and trying to run people off who have lived here far longer than anyone reading about this has been alive...

What does the Qur'an say about lying, cheating and stealing? That's what this inquiring hick want to know...


I'd put money on the fact that no one built a moat around your grandma's house and filled it with shellfish. I'd also put money on the fact that no one advocated lynching your grandmother either.

I don't think that the show put any sort of "redneck" spin on it. I believe that came about all on its own with stellar quotes such as "I'm not a racist, I'm more of a bigot."

Maybe I'm missing something here, but what are the Muslims doing wrong? They bought land that was up for sale, with their money. Then they decided to build something on their property that was within the property owners rules? Sounds good to me.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

I don't have a big spoon to stir with. I'll just add that The Jesuits played their away games at Pridgeon last year, which is not a nuetral site.

[rwilleby]

I'd put money on the fact that no one built a moat around your grandma's house and filled it with shellfish. I'd also put money on the fact that no one advocated lynching your grandmother either.
She also didn't move into a neighborhood, buying 11 acres, needing 25 and then ask her neighbors to think about moving off of their land... So she could have it... and all because they might not be the type of neighbor she would want... On the lynching topic... I'll bet the guy that said it has never done it... All talk and no action... Some people just have a knack for putting their foot in their mouth... They sould not think and talk at the same time... For the record: I would stand right beside anyone who was threatened in that manner and defend them... No matter their religion or race...

I don't think that the show put any sort of "redneck" spin on it. I believe that came about all on its own with stellar quotes such as "I'm not a racist, I'm more of a bigot."

No, I said it put a redneck spin on Katy... The guy can be anything he wants and chances are he doesn't even live in Katy... Just because he chooses to act a certain way doesn't mean the rest of us agree... Driving ten minutes into old Katy to film the train station was nothing more than spin... Why didn't they film the Barker post office and use that location instead? They did have to drive by it to get out of the neighborhood...


Maybe I'm missing something here, but what are the Muslims doing wrong? They bought land that was up for sale, with their money. Then they decided to build something on their property that was within the property owners rules? Sounds good to me.

In my mind they did nothing wrong... They can build whatever they want on their 11 acres of land... Baker can do the same on his... But if you go down there and look at the place you'll see it's land locked and there's no way they can put a 25 acre facility on that land without buying or pushing others off of the adjacent land... It's quite simple if you see the place...

So I ask this question... Why would anyone buy 11 acres when they knew they needed 25 and why would you buy in an area that could only provide 25 acres of available building space IF you got the other folks to sell and move off?

Do I agree with Baker's strategy? No... Is he free to express himself in this manner? Yes...

[BlackandRed05]

Can I stir the pot? Im pretty good at it.

[BoomerSooner]

She also didn't move into a neighborhood, buying 11 acres, needing 25 and then ask her neighbors to think about moving off of their land... So she could have it... and all because they might not be the type of neighbor she would want... On the lynching topic... I'll bet the guy that said it has never done it... All talk and no action... Some people just have a knack for putting their foot in their mouth... They sould not think and talk at the same time... For the record: I would stand right beside anyone who was threatened in that manner and defend them... No matter their religion or race...



No, I said it put a redneck spin on Katy... The guy can be anything he wants and chances are he doesn't even live in Katy... Just because he chooses to act a certain way doesn't mean the rest of us agree... Driving ten minutes into old Katy to film the train station was nothing more than spin... Why didn't they film the Barker post office and use that location instead? They did have to drive by it to get out of the neighborhood...



In my mind they did nothing wrong... They can build whatever they want on their 11 acres of land... Baker can do the same on his... But if you go down there and look at the place you'll see it's land locked and there's no way they can put a 25 acre facility on that land without buying or pushing others off of the adjacent land... It's quite simple if you see the place...

So I ask this question... Why would anyone buy 11 acres when they knew they needed 25 and why would you buy in an area that could only provide 25 acres of available building space IF you got the other folks to sell and move off?

Do I agree with Baker's strategy? No... Is he free to express himself in this manner? Yes...


They can buy the land for whatever reason they want. If their goal was to obtain some then buy more later, and Baker doesn't want to sell his, well that's too bad for them. But pressure to sell their land doesn't condone being a prejudiced idiot. I realize he can race pigs if he wants, but all he is doing is giving himself a bad reputation. And it's apparent that it upsets people from Katy.

Whether it technically lies within the Katy boundaries is irrelevant, it's the Katy area. I live in Cypress and I still consider myself a Houstonian. If I lived in Katy I would be upset with him. He seems to have made a big deal out of something that shouldn't have been. He has drawn national attention to my area in a negative light.

[BlackandRed05]

She also didn't move into a neighborhood, buying 11 acres, needing 25 and then ask her neighbors to think about moving off of their land... So she could have it... and all because they might not be the type of neighbor she would want... On the lynching topic... I'll bet the guy that said it has never done it... All talk and no action... Some people just have a knack for putting their foot in their mouth... They sould not think and talk at the same time... For the record: I would stand right beside anyone who was threatened in that manner and defend them... No matter their religion or race...



No, I said it put a redneck spin on Katy... The guy can be anything he wants and chances are he doesn't even live in Katy... Just because he chooses to act a certain way doesn't mean the rest of us agree... Driving ten minutes into old Katy to film the train station was nothing more than spin... Why didn't they film the Barker post office and use that location instead? They did have to drive by it to get out of the neighborhood...



In my mind they did nothing wrong... They can build whatever they want on their 11 acres of land... Baker can do the same on his... But if you go down there and look at the place you'll see it's land locked and there's no way they can put a 25 acre facility on that land without buying or pushing others off of the adjacent land... It's quite simple if you see the place...

So I ask this question... Why would anyone buy 11 acres when they knew they needed 25 and why would you buy in an area that could only provide 25 acres of available building space IF you got the other folks to sell and move off?

Do I agree with Baker's strategy? No... Is he free to express himself in this manner? Yes...

If you were in Baker's position, how would you have handled it?

[Miss Kitty]

They can buy the land for whatever reason they want. If their goal was to obtain some then buy more later, and Baker doesn't want to sell his, well that's too bad for them. But pressure to sell their land doesn't condone being a prejudiced idiot. I realize he can race pigs if he wants, but all he is doing is giving himself a bad reputation. And it's apparent that it upsets people from Katy.

Whether it technically lies within the Katy boundaries is irrelevant, it's the Katy area. I live in Cypress and I still consider myself a Houstonian. If I lived in Katy I would be upset with him. He seems to have made a big deal out of something that shouldn't have been. He has drawn national attention to my area in a negative light.

He didn't invite the media out there. They butted in as they always do. And you better believe they put a spin on it. They interviewed MANY people that night, but of course only picked the couple to show that made the Katy area look that way. But as far as upsetting people from Katy. Not so much. Not the poeple who have been here for years. Not the people who don't want their neighborhood taken over and forced to hear daily prayer calls from a mask. Those people are not upset by Craig and they are truly the ones with a concern at this time.

Besides, they have not obtained a building permit as far as I know.

As far as the Strake thing. I don't know and the way I see it is none of my business. It is not my district to worry about. Get the point?

[BoomerSooner]

He didn't invite the media out there. They butted in as they always do. And you better believe they put a spin on it. They interviewed MANY people that night, but of course only picked the couple to show that made the Katy area look that way. But as far as upsetting people from Katy. Not so much. Not the poeple who have been here for years. Not the people who don't want their neighborhood taken over and forced to hear daily prayer calls from a mask. Those people are not upset by Craig and they are truly the ones with a concern at this time.

Besides, they have not obtained a building permit as far as I know.

As far as the Strake thing. I don't know and the way I see it is none of my business. It is not my district to worry about. Get the point?


They won't have loud prayer calls because that will constitute noise pollution and will not be allowed. You can bet that if it was a church going up next to him he would not be up in arms. They ring bells early on Sunday morning, is he fearful of a church doing that? No. The prayer calls would be on a Friday, the majority of which would be during the workday and not disturb him at all, the others would probably be during the evening. Once again, not THAT big of a deal...

[Owned05]

They won't have loud prayer calls because that will constitute noise pollution and will not be allowed. You can bet that if it was a church going up next to him he would not be up in arms. They ring bells early on Sunday morning, is he fearful of a church doing that? No. The prayer calls would be on a Friday, the majority of which would be during the workday and not disturb him at all, the others would probably be during the evening. Once again, not THAT big of a deal...

Are you a Dirka Dirka or something?

What churches ring bells now a days? Get on I10 and drive down to Baker Rd, take a look at the place, and while you're at it take a look at the massive Baptist Church next to Greenhouse Rd.

Where the hell is the bell on that church?

[Bobcat81]

I don't have a big spoon to stir with. I'll just add that The Jesuits played their away games at Pridgeon last year, which is not a nuetral site.

Thats just the way the schedule worked out last year. I'm sure it's safe to say Jesuit will play Cy-Fair, Langham Creek, and possibly Cy-Fall's in the Berry Center this year since those teams were on their home schedule in 06 and Prigeon would be more of an inconvenience to have those matchups there than it would to have them at Berry.

[Miss Kitty]

They won't have loud prayer calls because that will constitute noise pollution and will not be allowed. You can bet that if it was a church going up next to him he would not be up in arms. They ring bells early on Sunday morning, is he fearful of a church doing that? No. The prayer calls would be on a Friday, the majority of which would be during the workday and not disturb him at all, the others would probably be during the evening. Once again, not THAT big of a deal...

Well it is a big deal to the people who live out there and they have a right to feel however they want, considering it will affect their lives and not yours or mine. And no church of any big size could go there either and no they would not be happy if there was one because there is no easy access to the area. I promise you if Lakewood or Second Baptist were to try and build a like facility out there they would not be happy about that either. Those people moved OUT there for that purpose and they like it that way. So for them, it is a big deal.

[HUM398]

FYI: Muslims don't hate tha pig. They just are ordered not to eat it according to their religion. The Qur'an says if they are forced to eat it becuase of starvation , then do so until God makes a way for you to eat the proper things. Whats the big deal? Jews and Muslims follow that prohibition on swine. I liked when the Muslim guy told the Goober redneck in Katy that he could roast pig and do whatever he wants. I guess the hicks in that part of the land are not well read on the religions of the world. Get ovet it already. Muslims,Jews,Catholics,Hindus are here to stay,just like Blacks,Mexicans etc.

Muslims cant touch a pig, cant live where a pig has been... cant eat it...cant pet it.... Cant build on where possible pig blood has been smeared.



Read the Koran. (Quran)

[HUM398]

Well it is a big deal to the people who live out there and they have a right to feel however they want, considering it will affect their lives and not yours or mine. And no church of any big size could go there either and no they would not be happy if there was one because there is no easy access to the area. I promise you if Lakewood or Second Baptist were to try and build a like facility out there they would not be happy about that either. Those people moved OUT there for that purpose and they like it that way. So for them, it is a big deal.

Amen sister.

a like an opinionated women. what are my chances?:p

[BlackandRed05]

Muslims cant touch a pig, cant live where a pig has been... cant eat it...cant pet it.... Cant build on where possible pig blood has been smeared.



Read the Koran. (Quran)

Youve read the Koran? What about the Korean?

[slorch]

I'm not sure why Strake playing in Berry is so important to so many but, personally, I hope and think they will get a game or two out there. I think they have proven that they can hang with us and we should be treating them as part of the 17-5a family. Next season is the last year they will be with us with Cy Woods coming along to join the fun.

Not sure where that all fits in with the pig races but if you break the pig race situation down...it is officially within the KISD boundaries but not in Katy, Texas proper...so I can still sit in Snappy's and eat their most excellent bacon without looking out the window to see where it came from!! The guy with the mosque sounds like he threatened a bit (judging from what I read about it) and he is going up against a long time Katy area family - I guess that was their way of getting back at him.

**NON POLITICALLY CORRECT STATEMENT WARNING**
This is America and, yes, it is a melting pot but that doesn't give anyone the right to come in and step on toes like he did...and then basically threaten them over their land. Of course, I'm just pissed right now because I had to call Dell over a computer issue and the call goes to India where they can't understand me and they call someone in the US to get an answer or they read me a script - all in the name of saving a buck...I know it has nothing to do with Berry, Strake or Pigs - but I want my AMERICA back!!! The one where we went to the gas station and the guy ran out in the green jumpsuit with the star on front and cleaned our windows and pumped our gas and checked our oil asked us how my day was going! I don't want to call a US company and have to speak to someone who doesn't understand me when I'm paying that company quite a bit of money.

Enough pot stirring for ya!

try calling AMERICAN EXPRESS (!)customer service. They are Indian too. Unbelievable!

[rwilleby]

If you were in Baker's position, how would you have handled it?

Well, after they sent their group of guys over to introduce themselves and "suggest" I might not be the kind of neighbor they would want and I should sell and move...

I would tell them... "Thank you for your visit, but me and my family have lived on this land for serveral hundered years and I don't plan on going anywhere... If you need more land, mine's not for sale... If you want to sell yours, maybe we can talk... Short of that our business in finished... I'll remove my grazing cattle from your land and ask that you not visit me again."

Then I would put up a fence and strongly suggest that they not tresspass... If they chose to cause me any trouble, harm or threatened me or my family in any way the first call would be to the Sheriff... If they came onto my land and threatened me they may be calling someone else...

And that goes for any race, religion, nationality... or even the bubba dude down the street...

There are limits to what people can do... Pig races are within Baker's limits, building a Mosque is within KIA's...

[ktCarl]

KIA's...


Killing In America?

[Drake]

Of course, I'm just pissed right now because I had to call Dell over a computer issue and the call goes to India where they can't understand me and they call someone in the US to get an answer or they read me a script - all in the name of saving a buck...I know it has nothing to do with Berry, Strake or Pigs - but I want my AMERICA back!!! The one where we went to the gas station and the guy ran out in the green jumpsuit with the star on front and cleaned our windows and pumped our gas and checked our oil asked us how my day was going! I don't want to call a US company and have to speak to someone who doesn't understand me when I'm paying that company quite a bit of money.Of course you miss the days when the guy ran out and pumped your gas. But you probably, like most Americans, decided the 15 cents a gallon you could save over at the self-serve pump was more important to you than the fine service you received from the green-clad service attendant, so he has gone the way of the DoDo... And like him, it's a rarity to find an computer company that uses Americans for computer support because you'd rather pay $699 for a computer than $1699.

The thing about it is, Dell and Texaco don't decide how they're going to operate, YOU decide for them! So instead of complaining about it, why don't you figure out which companies use Americans in America to support their computers and buy from them, or at least compare what your saving by Dell moving their support overseas? It could be that you decide you'd prefer the cheaper price and the cheaper support.

[rwilleby]

Of course you miss the days when the guy ran out and pumped your gas. But you probably, like most Americans, decided the 15 cents a gallon you could save over at the self-serve pump was more important to you than the fine service you received from the green-clad service attendant, so he has gone the way of the DoDo... And like him, it's a rarity to find an computer company that uses Americans for computer support because you'd rather pay $699 for a computer than $1699.

The thing about it is, Dell and Texaco don't decide how they're going to operate, YOU decide for them! So instead of complaining about it, why don't you figure out which companies use Americans in America to support their computers and buy from them, or at least compare what your saving by Dell moving their support overseas? It could be that you decide you'd prefer the cheaper price and the cheaper support.

Or get a Mac...;)

[rwilleby]

Killing In America?

Katy Islamic Association...

[Miss Kitty]

Of course you miss the days when the guy ran out and pumped your gas. But you probably, like most Americans, decided the 15 cents a gallon you could save over at the self-serve pump was more important to you than the fine service you received from the green-clad service attendant, so he has gone the way of the DoDo... And like him, it's a rarity to find an computer company that uses Americans for computer support because you'd rather pay $699 for a computer than $1699.

The thing about it is, Dell and Texaco don't decide how they're going to operate, YOU decide for them! So instead of complaining about it, why don't you figure out which companies use Americans in America to support their computers and buy from them, or at least compare what your saving by Dell moving their support overseas? It could be that you decide you'd prefer the cheaper price and the cheaper support.


I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this. I doubt seriously the savings will be passed on to the consumer. Instead the savings which will show as profit (perhaps record profit) will be passed on to the Executives as big, fat, bonus checks.

At least I know this is the way it is working right now in a certian major oil company I am closley associated with. As well, I am in the position to see those bonus checks so I know of which I speak.

[Drake]

I am sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this. I doubt seriously the savings will be passed on to the consumer. Instead the savings which will show as profit (perhaps record profit) will be passed on to the Executives as big, fat, bonus checks.

At least I know this is the way it is working right now in a certian major oil company I am closley associated with. As well, I am in the position to see those bonus checks so I know of which I speak.I didn't say the savings were passed on to the consumer. But I'd sort of said that given the choice of a better price or service, Americans opt for the better price. That tells companies like Dell, Texaco, WalMart, etc. to look for ways to get their prices lower... I'm not necessarily against it, but what I'd say to CyFallsMom or anyone that has an anxiety attack because they dread going to WalMart because they know they're going to be treated like chit is; don't go! That the CONSUMER determines how businesses operate. If Dell KNOWS they'll sell just as many computers whether they provide techs that speak English or not, they're going to opt for the cheaper techs because that makes them more competitive... Right? I would.

[Miss Kitty]

I didn't say the savings were passed on to the consumer. But I'd sort of said that given the choice of a better price or service, Americans opt for the better price. That tells companies like Dell, Texaco, WalMart, etc. to look for ways to get their prices lower... I'm not necessarily against it, but what I'd say to CyFallsMom or anyone that has an anxiety attack because they dread going to WalMart because they know they're going to be treated like chit is; don't go! That the CONSUMER determines how businesses operate. If Dell KNOWS they'll sell just as many computers whether they provide techs that speak English or not, they're going to opt for the cheaper techs because that makes them more competitive... Right? I would.

I understand your point. But I would rather have Americans working and pay a little more for things than to have out sourcing done so the companies can make a higher profit.

[CyFallsMom]

The thing about it is, Dell and Texaco don't decide how they're going to operate, YOU decide for them! So instead of complaining about it, why don't you figure out which companies use Americans in America to support their computers and buy from them, or at least compare what your saving by Dell moving their support overseas? It could be that you decide you'd prefer the cheaper price and the cheaper support.

That's very hard to do these days. I buy a Chevrolet - chances are most of it is made in India or some other cheap labor market. I would pay more money willingly to support Americans and American made products.

but what I'd say to CyFallsMom or anyone that has an anxiety attack because they dread going to WalMart because they know they're going to be treated like chit is; don't go!

I go to Wal Mart all the time - I don't like it much because it is dirty (Target is far better) but I don't think I've ever actually had an axiety attack in WM thank you very much.

As for the previous comment from another poster about Katy rednecks - please do some research first. Katy is a fine town with a lot of fine, intelligent people living in it. There are redneck types everywhere - that doesn't mean one town is full of them. Also, get some background on the Mosque situation - if you think you need more than the acreage you are purchasing, go ELSEWHERE to find your land. Don't try to push people out who have been there for generations. That Mosque location is miles from Katy, Texas by the way...at least 10 miles from they city limits.

[rwilleby]

They can buy the land for whatever reason they want. If their goal was to obtain some then buy more later, and Baker doesn't want to sell his, well that's too bad for them.
So again... You need 25 and buy 11... 25 is all that's available unless you can "persuade" the other land holders to sell... Do we have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out? I don't think we do... or at least I don't...

There's a big plot of land right next to Rhodes Stadium... plenty of access... Land all over the "Katy Area" that would meet their requirements... All up and down Franz... Why this location? If I have to spell it out for you here it is... Buy 11 at prime plus... drive the price down on 14 and buy it at below market... When it's all said and done you get 25 at a very good price...

But pressure to sell their land doesn't condone being a prejudiced idiot.
Ahhh, the beauty of America... You can be anything you want to be within the limits of the law... Would you not also say that the KIA's comment that he and his business were not the "type of neighbor" they desire to be a prejudiced comment?

I realize he can race pigs if he wants, but all he is doing is giving himself a bad reputation.
I agree with you here, but I was not aware of his reputation before-hand... And it is "his" reputation... He's probably not the best spokesperson for his cause...

And it's apparent that it upsets people from Katy.
Actually, I think most of those with a problem are not from Katy... My only dislike is in the spin that the media has put on this... Baker does not live in Katy, the address is not a Katy address, the land is not Katy land and the whole event takes place in Barker, Texas... Discounting all of those FACTS, it's still a Katy issue... Go figure...

Whether it technically lies within the Katy boundaries is irrelevant, it's the Katy area.
Convenient... Why let accuracy get in the way of a good story line?

[BlackandRed05]

try calling AMERICAN EXPRESS (!)customer service. They are Indian too. Unbelievable!

Last time I called COMPAQ it was the same thing.

[Miss Kitty]

RW..you are my hero. ;)

[BlackandRed05]

Well, after they sent their group of guys over to introduce themselves and "suggest" I might not be the kind of neighbor they would want and I should sell and move...

I would tell them... "Thank you for your visit, but me and my family have lived on this land for serveral hundered years and I don't plan on going anywhere... If you need more land, mine's not for sale... If you want to sell yours, maybe we can talk... Short of that our business in finished... I'll remove my grazing cattle from your land and ask that you not visit me again."

Then I would put up a fence and strongly suggest that they not tresspass... If they chose to cause me any trouble, harm or threatened me or my family in any way the first call would be to the Sheriff... If they came onto my land and threatened me they may be calling someone else...

And that goes for any race, religion, nationality... or even the bubba dude down the street...

There are limits to what people can do... Pig races are within Baker's limits, building a Mosque is within KIA's...

Thats why I asked you, because I bet Baker did try a civil approach, and finally used pig races as a last resort.

[rwilleby]

RW..you are my hero. ;)

:)

[rwilleby]

Thats why I asked you, because I bet Baker did try a civil approach, and finally used pig races as a last resort.

I would hope he did... Don't know much about that part of the story... But if no laws are broken and no witnessess available, then nothing happened... Just hearsay... I think he said he just got pissed-off and this was the first thing he thought of... it has now spun out of control...

The pig races bring no honor to the table... They muddy up the issue and put two groups against each other... (no pun intended) I have more problems with the web site than with the pig races... Some of the things on there are just wrong, from a "be nice and get along" point of view...

But then agian, I'm not sure KIA brought truth to their story either...

[Drake]

It seems to me that what took place and what was said at the initial meeting between Baker and KIA is one side's word against the other. Only those there can say for certain what was said to whom and by who. So how can anyone else pass judgment either way based solely on that?

I'm passing judgment because since that initial meeting Baker has done everything he could to inflame the situation and the KIA has done just the opposite. It's interesting to me however that most of the non-muslim people that hear about this story believe Baker's account of what transpired...

A truly objective person looking at all the facts would conclude that pig racer Baker is a bigot and trouble maker, and therefore, more likely the liar. I don't believe Baker because if the KIA representatives really said what he's claiming then WHY didn't he stand up to them on the spot? Why did he wait until he felt the groundswell of prejudice in the area to take a stand? Plus, it makes NO SENSE that the KIA would walk in to Baker's establishment with the intention of threatening him into selling his land, especially since they can't MAKE someone sell out AND they are not the ones that have shown the willingness to make the situation as uncomfortable for their neighbor as they can...

I think everyone is prejudice. You only become a bigot when you're incapable of reasoning with your prejudice... Unless I factor in that the KIA is a Muslim organization and I'm not Muslim, I have a hard time condemning the KIA or supporting Baker based on the information available.

[Miss Kitty]

[QUOTE=Drake;435358]It seems to me that what took place and what was said at the initial meeting between Baker and KIA is one side's word against the other. Only those there can say for certain what was said to whom and by who. So how can anyone pass judgment either way based on that?

I'm passing judgment because since that initial meeting Baker has done everything he could to inflame the situation and the KIA has done just the opposite. It's interesting to me however that most of the non-muslim people that hear about this story believe Baker's account of what transpired...

A truly objective person looking at all the facts would conclude that pig
racer Baker is a bigot and trouble maker, and therefore, more likely the liar.
That statement just pisses me off. Because a man wants to protect what is his, he is a bigot and a liar? Then I guess I qualify, under YOUR definition as well, because I would not let someone come in and take over my existance either.

I don't believe Baker because if the KIA representatives really said what he's claiming then WHY didn't he stand up to them on the spot? And how do you know he did not stand up to them at the time. Perhaps if he didn't it was because he was a bit thrown off guard by the whole thing. Or maybe he stopped to really study his new neighbors and see what he was up against before he acted.

Plus, it makes NO SENSE that the KIA would walk in to Baker's establishment with the intention of threatening him into selling his land, especially since they can't MAKE someone sell out AND they are not the ones that have shown the willingness to make the situation as uncomfortable for their neighbor as they can...
How can they MAKE someone sell out? Is it because they are such peace loving people?

I think everyone is prejudice. You only become a bigot when you're incapable of reasoning with your prejudice... I think people call others racists and bigots without knowing what is really the driving force behind someones actions. People have been playing that card for generations and generations. Perhaps it really has nothting to do with race or religion but the fact that people don't want to have a foreign (someone not of the area) person/establishment come in and change the way things currently are. Sounds like history repeating itself to me.

[rwilleby]

Opps... The LAND is located in Katy, Texas... Baker's is a PO Box in Barker, Texas...

I stand and correct my previous post... So I guess it IS a Katy problem...

[Drake]

[QUOTE=Drake;435358]It seems to me that what took place and what was said at the initial meeting between Baker and KIA is one side's word against the other. Only those there can say for certain what was said to whom and by who. So how can anyone pass judgment either way based on that?

I'm passing judgment because since that initial meeting Baker has done everything he could to inflame the situation and the KIA has done just the opposite. It's interesting to me however that most of the non-muslim people that hear about this story believe Baker's account of what transpired...

A truly objective person looking at all the facts would conclude that pig
racer Baker is a bigot and trouble maker, and therefore, more likely the liar.
That statement just pisses me off. Because a man wants to protect what is his, he is a bigot and a liar? Then I guess I qualify, under YOUR definition as well, because I would not let someone come in and take over my existance either.

I don't believe Baker because if the KIA representatives really said what he's claiming then WHY didn't he stand up to them on the spot? And how do you know he did not stand up to them at the time. Perhaps if he didn't it was because he was a bit thrown off guard by the whole thing. Or maybe he stopped to really study his new neighbors and see what he was up against before he acted.

Plus, it makes NO SENSE that the KIA would walk in to Baker's establishment with the intention of threatening him into selling his land, especially since they can't MAKE someone sell out AND they are not the ones that have shown the willingness to make the situation as uncomfortable for their neighbor as they can...
How can they MAKE someone sell out? Is it because they are such peace loving people?

I think everyone is prejudice. You only become a bigot when you're incapable of reasoning with your prejudice... I think people call others racists and bigots without knowing what is really the driving force behind someones actions. People have been playing that card for generations and generations. Perhaps it really has nothting to do with race or religion but the fact that people don't want to have a foreign (someone not of the area) person/establishment come in and change the way things currently are. Sounds like history repeating itself to me.Miss Kitty... He is a bigot. Only a bigot would conclude that he should combat the uneasiness felt by a Mosque going up next door (or even the perceived threat of being bought out by Muslims) by holding pig races.

I did not say Baker was a liar. What I said or meant to say was given both sides' actions to date, I personally would conclude that if there is a dispute on what transpired, Baker is "more likely" the liar. (he has less credibility with me) But, in no way am I saying that by believing him or supporting his right to take a stand makes you a bigot. Now, if you think it's great, or funny, or appropriate that he's holding pig races to do it, that's another matter...

As far as your last statement... To my knowledge these KIA members are either U.S. citizens or in the country legally. I'm not positive, but no one has contended otherwise. Is it not prejudice to wish a group that has every right to buy land and worship how they chose in this country to not be afforded those rights? Furthermore, is it not bigotry to hold or support pig races that have no purpose than to be offensive and harass people that hope to exercise those rights?

I agree that groups often take advantage of situations by claiming they're being discriminated against, but this situation in Katy isn't an example. The turmoil over what's transpired there has risen for no other reason than prejudice and bigotry, nothing can convince me otherwise...

[BlackandRed05]

[QUOTE=Miss Kitty;435385]Miss Kitty... He is a bigot. Only a bigot would conclude that he should combat the uneasiness felt by a Mosque going up next door (or even the perceived threat of being bought out by Muslims) by holding pig races.

I did not say Baker was a liar. What I said or meant to say was given both sides' actions to date, I personally would conclude that if there is a dispute on what transpired, Baker is "more likely" the liar. (he has less credibility with me) But, in no way am I saying that by believing him or supporting his right to take a stand makes you a bigot. Now, if you think it's great, or funny, or appropriate that he's holding pig races to do it, that's another matter...

As far as your last statement... To my knowledge these KIA members are either U.S. citizens or in the country legally. I'm not positive, but no one has contended otherwise. Is it not prejudice to wish a group that has every right to buy land and worship how they chose in this country to not be afforded those rights? Furthermore, is it not bigotry to hold or support pig races that have no purpose than to be offensive and harass people that hope to exercise those rights?

I agree that groups often take advantage of situations by claiming they're being discriminated against, but this situation in Katy isn't an example. The turmoil over what's transpired there has risen for no other reason than prejudice and bigotry, nothing can convince me otherwise...

There is the whole issue right there. NO ONE has said that they couldnt buy land and worship how they choose, but they bought less than they needed. Why? It didnt happen by mistake. And then why should they believe that Baker would be willing to sell his land after the fact?

[Drake]

There is the whole issue right there. NO ONE has said that they couldnt buy land and worship how they choose, but they bought less than they needed. Why? It didnt happen by mistake. And then why should they believe that Baker would be willing to sell his land after the fact?Okay, they bought less than they needed... What's that have to do with anything? LOL, do you suspect they plan to fortify themselves and then invade the stoneman's property and seize it by force? Did you freak and start a feud when your neighbor, who only has a two-car garage, got that 3rd vehicle? Did you assume he would just take over the extra spot in your drive and did you start harassing him over it? The point is, regardless of how much they HOPE to get, they are absolutely NO THREAT to take over Baker's land unless he VOLUNTARILY CHOOSES to sell it to them...

Knowing that the Muslims are powerless to get his land without his consent, what in hell could the Muslims have possibly done to justify something as hateful as what Baker did, besides being Muslim?

It's my opinion that Baker is an bigot and an idiot and he's lost all credibility with his actions, and anyone that supports him must either think like him or be in denial because they have their head buried in the slop.

[ktrain]

Okay, they bought less than they needed... What's that have to do with anything? LOL, do you suspect they plan to fortify themselves and then invade the stoneman's property and seize it by force? Did you freak and start a feud when your neighbor, who only has a two-car garage, got that 3rd vehicle? Did you assume he would just take over the extra spot in your drive and did you start harassing him over it? The point is, regardless of how much they HOPE to get, they are absolutely NO THREAT to take over Baker's land unless he VOLUNTARILY CHOOSES to sell it to them...

Knowing that the Muslims are powerless to get his land without his consent, what in hell could the Muslims have possibly done to justify something as hateful as what Baker did, besides being Muslim?

It's my opinion that Baker is an bigot and an idiot and he's lost all credibility with his actions, and anyone that supports him must either think like him or be in denial because they have their head buried in the slop.

Guess I need to get down in the slop.

You need to go look at the location before you comment. If the KIA builds what they are suggesting the little road leading in won't be able to handle the traffic. Baker also has his place of business located at his house, how are customers going to get in and out and who would want to go through the hassle? Baker tried to buy the property from the KIA, offered them 10% more than they paid for it so they could find a more suitable location. They didn’t think 10% was enough profit.
IMO the KIA came in with a plan to buy a little land and then steal (price wise) a lot more. Most people would have probably sold and moved but they underestimated Mr. Baker and the majority of the surrounding community.
He is not going to go down without a fight and I will support his right to defend his property any way I can.

[CyFallsMom]

**NON PC CORRECT STATEMENT WARNING**

If it were me in the same situation and my family had been there for generations, I would be in the same mindset as Mr. Baker. Political Correctness is going to kill this country eventually. Sorry, Drake, I know that steps on your toes a bit but I'm tired of reading stories and hearing tales of Americans (of all colors, races, etc) as the bad guys. My family came here from England and fought in the Revolution (American and Texan and the Civil War (Confederacy)) and I think it's time we stand up for ourselves once again as Americans. I would back this guy up for sure.

[Drake]

KTRAIN comments in bold:

Guess I need to get down in the slop. You need to go look at the location before you comment.

I know everything I need to know about to situation to draw my own conclusions and post my own opinions here. I stand by them.

If the KIA builds what they are suggesting the little road leading in won't be able to handle the traffic. Baker also has his place of business located at his house, how are customers going to get in and out and who would want to go through the hassle? Baker tried to buy the property from the KIA, offered them 10% more than they paid for it so they could find a more suitable location. They didn’t think 10% was enough profit.

Just like you and I, the KIA is not obligated to sell ANYTHING it owns regardless of what's offered. But perhaps Baker should have bought the adjacent property for 10% less than what he offered when it came up for sale originally. Didn't seem too concerned with who might purchase then, only after he discovered it was a Muslim mosque did all these concerns about traffic and his customers become important, otherwise he WOULD have bought it before the KIA did. And Baker doesn't own the road, does he? How is it that a smart guy like you can reason that the public should be more concerned with the right of Baker’s customers to use that road than they are about the right of KIA patrons or anyone else to use it?

IMO the KIA came in with a plan to buy a little land and then steal (price wise) a lot more. Most people would have probably sold and moved but they underestimated Mr. Baker and the majority of the surrounding community.
He is not going to go down without a fight and I will support his right to defend his property any way I can.

You’re entitled to your opinion. My opinion is you have formed such a negative view of their intentions because it’s a Muslim group first and foremost. But again, their intention for acquiring more land is not really important, AND it's of NO threat to Baker because he doesn't HAVE to sell his land at ANY price, just like KIA doesn’t.

Of course, either neighbor could try and make the situation so uncomfortable or create an atmosphere of intimidation with the intent of giving the other side no choice but to sell out, but to date only ONE SIDE has shown the propensity to use such a deplorable tactic; Pig boy and his supporters.

[Drake]

If it were me in the same situation and my family had been there for generations, I would be in the same mindset as Mr. Baker.The difference is, you wouldn't have stooped to holding pig races... I hope.

[ktrain]

KTRAIN comments in bold:

Guess I need to get down in the slop. You need to go look at the location before you comment.

I know everything I need to know about to situation to draw my own conclusions and post my own opinions here. I stand by them.

If the KIA builds what they are suggesting the little road leading in won't be able to handle the traffic. Baker also has his place of business located at his house, how are customers going to get in and out and who would want to go through the hassle? Baker tried to buy the property from the KIA, offered them 10% more than they paid for it so they could find a more suitable location. They didn’t think 10% was enough profit.

Just like you and I, the KIA is not obligated to sell ANYTHING it owns regardless of what's offered. But perhaps Baker should have bought the adjacent property for 10% less than what he offered when it came up for sale originally. Didn't seem too concerned with who might purchase then, only after he discovered it was a Muslim mosque did all these concerns about traffic and his customers become important, otherwise he WOULD have bought it before the KIA did. And Baker doesn't own the road, does he? How is it that a smart guy like you can reason that the public should be more concerned with the right of Baker’s customers to use that road than they are about the right of KIA patrons or anyone else to use it?

IMO the KIA came in with a plan to buy a little land and then steal (price wise) a lot more. Most people would have probably sold and moved but they underestimated Mr. Baker and the majority of the surrounding community.
He is not going to go down without a fight and I will support his right to defend his property any way I can.

You’re entitled to your opinion. My opinion is you have formed such a negative view of their intentions because it’s a Muslim group first and foremost. But again, their intention for acquiring more land is not really important, AND it's of NO threat to Baker because he doesn't HAVE to sell his land at ANY price, just like KIA doesn’t.

Of course, either neighbor could try and make the situation so uncomfortable or create an atmosphere of intimidation with the intent of giving the other side no choice but to sell out, but to date only ONE SIDE has shown the propensity to use such a deplorable tactic; Pig boy and his supporters.


Yes, you are entitled to your opinion

No they are not obligated to sell anything, Baker was trying to bring it to an amicable resolution.

Baker has a small marble & stone shop, not a school and rec center ect.
Big difference in the amount of traffic.

Don’t try to tell me why my opinions are what they are and why I formed them. You don’t know anything about me. I could throw derogatory personal comments at you but since I don’t know you I don’t make it personal.

Now we can agree to disagree or we can make it personal.

[Drake]

Don’t try to tell me why my opinions are what they are and why I formed them. You don’t know anything about me. I could throw derogatory personal comments at you but since I don’t know you I don’t make it personal.

Now we can agree to disagree or we can make it personal.No need, you are right, I really don't know the basis for your outlook on this situation.

Actually, I said you but what I really meant by it was that I believe there wouldn't be an issue with anyone had this been just about anything else other than a Muslim mosque.

[ktrain]

No need, you are right, I really don't know the basis for your outlook on this situation.

Actually, I said you but what I really meant by it was that I believe there wouldn't be an issue with anyone had this been just about anything else other than a Muslim mosque.


Thank you

I think there would still be an issue if it was something other than a mosque, but most likely would have been handled differently. Maybe not pig races but some other form of distraction.

[Miss Kitty]

Let me ask you this Drake? Would it be such a big deal to you if the neighbors were saying. "we don't want all of those Catholics out here holding thier bazzars because it will disrupt out peace". Or "We don't want a big private Baptist School and Rec center built there because it will bring in too much traffic".

Would it be okay then?

[CyFallsMom]

The difference is, you wouldn't have stooped to holding pig races... I hope.

Maybe not pig races but I wouldn't have stood idly by if I had tried to get something worked out and they refused. I have been known to get in people's faces and give them the whatfor. At UT, I was friends with a couple of American guys of Pakistani descent during the Iranian crisis and some major Steve Dallas's (aka Frat Rats complete with Izods and topsiders) came by and pushed one of them on the drag while I was walking with one of them and called them some pretty derogatory names - they had nothing to do with Iran or even the Iranian students - they despised what was going on. I'm sure the frat rats had no clue what was going on outside their house. I got right in those punks faces and gave them the what for - I think they were shocked but they walked away - scared of the short Irish girl I guess. But, knowing that they were frat rats also means they were more than likely drunk as everything. I do take up for my friends and family...that's for sure.

BTW - The Steve Dallas remark is something only a late 70's Longhorn would remember...Steve and Kitzi.

[Bobcat81]

I don't think it's as much of an issue with the religion as it is the way the Muslims went about telling Mr. Baker that they (the Muslims) wanted him to sell. They didn't conduct their business with any respect towards Mr. Baker. Thats obviously why he said "They pissed me off". I wouldn't give a tinkers damn who it was in my driveway, NO ONE is goind to be demanding of what is rightfully mine, and thats just the way the Muslims approached Mr. Baker with this whole issue.

Being of the proud Texas heritage that he is, I wouldn't have been surprised to see him hold pig races and take it a little further by hoisting a "Come and Take it" flag in the middle of his pig pen.

What really gets under my skin here is that many outsiders know that Americans have had "tolerance" crammed down our throat for so long that all these American "wannabe's" seem to come in take full advantage of our screwed up system and Expect it to always go their way. Well, cudos to Mr. Baker for holding his ground and not bowing out quietly like some would have.

[Drake]

Let me ask you this Drake? Would it be such a big deal to you if the neighbors were saying. "we don't want all of those Catholics out here holding thier bazzars because it will disrupt out peace". Or "We don't want a big private Baptist School and Rec center built there because it will bring in too much traffic".

Would it be okay then?Miss Kitty, let's be honest... If the concerns were really over additional activity in the area or traffic, why would the ones concerned about it hold or support PUBLIC PIG RACES for all of Katy to enjoy? Aren't public pig races noisy and doesn't their popularity in Katy bring in additional traffic?

You and I are on different planes on this. I have no problem with the concerns of the people that live in that area. If a mosque were being built next to my business I'd certainly want to know whose it was and what was their background. I'd even be curious about their proposed activities. If I felt what they had planned would be a disruption to my business or impede upon my rights as a neighbor resident, then I'd possibly seek a remedy through discussion, mediation, or an authority. What I'd never do (and what is disgusting about this) is hold pig races as a method of addressing those concerns, just like I wouldn't put up swazticas if the neighbor was Jewish, burn crosses if they were Christian, or anything else of that nature. Would you?

[Drake]

What really gets under my skin here is that many outsiders know that Americans have had "tolerance" crammed down our throat for so long that all these American "wannabe's" seem to come in take full advantage of our screwed up system and Expect it to always go their way. Well, cudos to Mr. Baker for holding his ground and not bowing out quietly like some would have. Which Americans are you speaking of? The ones that are descendants of recent immigrants like the Middle Eastern and Asian Americans, or do you mean black Americans, whose forefathers were brought here to be slaves. No, you probably mean WHITE Americans, who are descendants of the white Europeans that started coming here hundreds of years ago. No doubt you believe the longer a particular group has been in America, the MORE American they are. Of course, if that's your credo, shouldn't we be doing rain dances and hunting buffalo? Isn't that what the only ORIGINAL AMERICANS did?

[Miss Kitty]

Miss Kitty, let's be honest... If the concerns were really over additional activity in the area or traffic, why would the ones concerned about it hold or support PUBLIC PIG RACES for all of Katy to enjoy? Aren't public pig races noisy and doesn't their popularity in Katy bring in additional traffic?

You and I are on different planes on this. I have no problem with the concerns of the people that live in that area. If a mosque were being built next to my business I'd certainly want to know whose it was and what was their background. I'd even be curious about their proposed activities. If I felt what they had planned would be a disruption to my business or impede upon my rights as a neighbor resident, then I'd possibly seek a remedy through discussion, mediation, or an authority. What I'd never do (and what is disgusting about this) is hold pig races as a method of addressing those concerns, just like I wouldn't put up swazticas if the neighbor was Jewish, burn crosses if they were Christian, or anything else of that nature. Would you?

Perhaps he would not have done that if they would not have offended him the way they did. We really don't know. I believe they drew first blood in this and this was his retalliation. Although it is not publicized, the other neighbors are up at arms about this too and doing other things to counter the progression of the building.

I guess what irritates me the most about your stance on this is that you, without knowing the persons involved. or the community involved personally, have assumed the position of knowing that this man is bad and his intentions are purely driven by bigotry. Perhaps he is making some bad decisions in your opinion, but until you have been backed into a corner and your lively hood threatened how can you actually say that you would always make the perfect decisions at the moment? You seem to refuse to even agree that there might possibly be reasons behind his actions other than race related.

I am not saying that I would have started pig races, but I will say that I would not have quietly stood by and let someone change my way of life and the way it has been for years without a fight.

[Miss Kitty]

I don't think it's as much of an issue with the religion as it is the way the Muslims went about telling Mr. Baker that they (the Muslims) wanted him to sell. They didn't conduct their business with any respect towards Mr. Baker. Thats obviously why he said "They pissed me off". I wouldn't give a tinkers damn who it was in my driveway, NO ONE is goind to be demanding of what is rightfully mine, and thats just the way the Muslims approached Mr. Baker with this whole issue.

Being of the proud Texas heritage that he is, I wouldn't have been surprised to see him hold pig races and take it a little further by hoisting a "Come and Take it" flag in the middle of his pig pen.

What really gets under my skin here is that many outsiders know that Americans have had "tolerance" crammed down our throat for so long that all these American "wannabe's" seem to come in take full advantage of our screwed up system and Expect it to always go their way. Well, cudos to Mr. Baker for holding his ground and not bowing out quietly like some would have.

You have recapped my point exactly. Well done.

[Drake]

Perhaps he would not have done that if they would not have offended him the way they did. We really don't know. I believe they drew first blood in this and this was his retalliation. Although it is not publicized, the other neighbors are up at arms about this too and doing other things to counter the progression of the building.

I guess what irritates me the most about your stance on this is that you, without knowing the persons involved. or the community involved personally, have assumed the position of knowing that this man is bad and his intentions are purely driven by bigotry. Perhaps he is making some bad decisions in your opinion, but until you have been backed into a corner and your lively hood threatened how can you actually say that you would always make the perfect decisions at the moment? You seem to refuse to even agree that there might possibly be reasons behind his actions other than race related.

I am not saying that I would have started pig races, but I will say that I would not have quietly stood by and let someone change my way of life and the way it has been for years without a fight.I never said it was race related... I thought it was because they are Muslims... And I still don't see how Baker has been backed into a corner...

Regardless, I'll try and be more open-minded concerning Mr. Baker for a second. If he did not mistakenly think that having pig racing as close to the property line as possible would be a vile, vulgar, and intimidating to his new Muslim neighbors, sending the message they ARE NOT welcome, what was his purpose for having them?

[Drake]

And Miss Kitty...

You don't have to personally know the community or people involved to figure out what's going on here. All an objective person has to do is visit and read the KIA's website (www.katyislamicassociation.com) and then visit and read the parody website (www.katyislamicassociation.net) put up by those opposed to the mosque... It becomes pretty obvious why this is an issue in the area...

[Miss Kitty]

I never said it was race related... I thought it was because they are Muslims... And I still don't see how Baker has been backed into a corner...

Regardless, I'll try and be more open-minded concerning Mr. Baker for a second. If he did not mistakenly think that having pig racing as close to the property line as possible would be a vile, vulgar, and intimidating to his new Muslim neighbors, sending the message they ARE NOT welcome, what was his purpose for having them?

All I am trying to say is you or I were not there and we really don't know the words that were spoken or the demands that may have been made. And if there were such demands, that may make him feel justified in his choice.

[Bobcat81]

Which Americans are you speaking of? The ones that are descendants of recent immigrants like the Middle Eastern and Asian Americans, or do you mean black Americans, whose forefathers were brought here to be slaves. No, you probably mean WHITE Americans, who are descendants of the white Europeans that started coming here hundreds of years ago. No doubt you believe the longer a particular group has been in America, the MORE American they are. Of course, if that's your credo, shouldn't we be doing rain dances and hunting buffalo? Isn't that what the only ORIGINAL AMERICANS did?

Thats all beside the point. People can come here all they want. But there's an ethical way to go about doing business. Asking and being denied, then turning around and basically being demanding about it isn't the way it should be done.

The Muslims should have just thanked the man for his time and left it at that. Why get arrogant while making a business deal? That only raises skeptacism. At least for me it would.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Can we get back to the Jesuits and the Berry Center?:D

[CyFallsMom]

LOL - yeah, wasn't that the original pot stirring conversation....guess it just isn't as much fun as the other one.:rolleyes:

[ktCarl]

Can we get back to the Jesuits and the Berry Center?:D


You stirred the pot!:D