Barry Bonds

[WestPlano006]

I don't care what he did, I am almost 100% sure that the pitchers he faces did something as well. This thing with the commissioner is total crap.

[t-long20]

I don't care what he did, I am almost 100% sure that the pitchers he faces did something as well. This thing with the commissioner is total crap.

and yet for some reason no one seems to point that out...so what is the thing with the commissioner

[CFlb38 08]

I don't care what he did, I am almost 100% sure that the pitchers he faces did something as well. This thing with the commissioner is total crap.

I KNOW!!!!!

[wide-e-wide]

I will never acknowledge Barry Bonds as the HR king. NEVER,NEVER,NEVER...

[BlackandRed05]

Bonds will be the HR king. Other than allegedly testing positive for some "greenies", he has never tested positive for anything else. Especially roids.

[wide-e-wide]

Bonds will be the HR king. Other than allegedly testing positive for some "greenies", he has never tested positive for anything else. Especially roids.

No he hasn't tested positive for anything else.
But the good Lord gave me a brain and I know how to use it. As soon as he can explain to me how his head grew 2.5 hat sizes in the last 15 years...I'll let him off the hook. Until then he is insulting my intelligence and I will not acknowledge any of his accomplishments.

[BlackandRed05]

No he hasn't tested positive for anything else.
But the good Lord gave me a brain and I know how to use it. As soon as he can explain to me how his head grew 2.5 hat sizes in the last 15 years...I'll let him off the hook. Until then he is insulting my intelligence and I will not acknowledge any of his accomplishments.

LOL, maybe he hit a growth spurt! I'm not saying he's innocent, just that he's never got caught. Theres a long list we could come up with of MLB players that are probably doing roids.

[wide-e-wide]

LOL, maybe he hit a growth spurt! I'm not saying he's innocent, just that he's never got caught. Theres a long list we could come up with of MLB players that are probably doing roids.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/bogthekid/BarryBonds.jpg

Consider Mr. Bonds caught...
He's guilty in the public eye...that's enough for me. The thing about it is...Barry doesn't care. He has never cared about the fans or what they think. Karma will get #25...he will pay for what he's done to himself and the game.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Another person that needs to be questioned is Roger Clemens. With all due respect, he's gotten alot bulkier over the years just like Bonds.

Oh, and once again with all due respect, steroids weren't illegal in the game of baseball when Mr. Bonds, and OTHERS, took them.

[BlackandRed05]

Another person that needs to be questioned is Roger Clemens. With all due respect, he's gotten alot bulkier over the years just like Bonds.

Oh, and once again with all due respect, steroids weren't illegal in the game of baseball when Mr. Bonds, and OTHERS, took them.

Thats why I mentioned we could make a long list of players.

[Favpack]

I love Bobby Bonds - he was one of my favorite players - RIP.

[GoOwls]

Bonds will be the HR king. Other than allegedly testing positive for some "greenies", he has never tested positive for anything else. Especially roids.

True, but McGwire didn't test positive, and he won't make the HOF. Palmeiro won't make it either, nor will Sosa and many others.

I'm sick of cheaters and cheating, and people who make excuses for it, and people who enable it. If Bonds is so clean, I guess we can thank his personal trainer for that. He keeps going to prison on contempt charges to protect Bonds because if he spills what he knows, Bonds is through.

No reason for him to go to prison if he doesn't know something, right, just makes sense.

[BlackandRed05]

True, but McGwire didn't test positive, and he won't make the HOF. Palmeiro won't make it either, nor will Sosa and many others.

I'm sick of cheaters and cheating, and people who make excuses for it, and people who enable it. If Bonds is so clean, I guess we can thank his personal trainer for that. He keeps going to prison on contempt charges to protect Bonds because if he spills what he knows, Bonds is through.

No reason for him to go to prison if he doesn't know something, right, just makes sense.

Is Shawne Merriman a cheater? What about Bagwell? Hes muscled up.

[wide-e-wide]

Is Shawne Merriman a cheater? What about Bagwell? Hes muscled up.

yes and yes

next

[GoOwls]

Is Shawne Merriman a cheater? What about Bagwell? Hes muscled up.

Sure Merriman is and it was a disgrace that he was asked to the Pro Bowl. Just don't ask me to be stupid like the rest of the hangers-on and idol worshipers, and stick my head in the sand when I know what I see.

I really not too up on Bagwell, I never followed his career very closely. But if it walks like a duck..........

[BlackandRed05]

Sure Merriman is and it was a disgrace that he was asked to the Pro Bowl. Just don't ask me to be stupid like the rest of the hangers-on and idol worshipers, and stick my head in the sand when I know what I see.

I really not too up on Bagwell, I never followed his career very closely. But if it walks like a duck..........

I think so too, but thats what makes the Bonds/steroids issue so ridiculos. He seems to be the main focus anytime this comes up, and no one ever brings up any other players.

[GoOwls]

I think so too, but thats what makes the Bonds/steroids issue so ridiculos. He seems to be the main focus anytime this comes up, and no one ever brings up any other players.

None of the other pumped up players are chasing the all time home run record. That is the reason for the focus, and because he was a HOF'er without the juice.

[CoveMom]

Another person that needs to be questioned is Roger Clemens. With all due respect, he's gotten alot bulkier over the years just like Bonds.

Oh, and once again with all due respect, steroids weren't illegal in the game of baseball when Mr. Bonds, and OTHERS, took them.

IMO, Roger is simply old and fat.

[wide-e-wide]

When the Rocket comes out of nowhere and wins 35 games one year...then we can add him to the discussion. 'Ya see usually home run hitters have numbers that decrease as they get older. Or at least stay the same...
They don't go 33,42,40,37,34,49,73:eek: ,46,45, and 45.

Bonds' numbers don't even look right. They look like some guy's PlayStation stats or something. Guys approaching and over 40y old don't hit 45+ HRs consistently. It just doesn't happen...color me skeptical.

[BlackandRed05]

When the Rocket comes out of nowhere and wins 35 games one year...then we can add him to the discussion. 'Ya see usually home run hitters have numbers that decrease as they get older. Or at least stay the same...
They don't go 33,42,40,37,34,49,73:eek: ,46,45, and 45.

Bonds' numbers don't even look right. They look like some guy's PlayStation stats or something. Guys approaching and over 40y old don't hit 45+ HRs consistently. It just doesn't happen...color me skeptical.

Dont hate....just congratulate

[farmerfan]

Dont hate....just congratulate

It has nothing to do with hating, it has everything to do with respecting this great game that was built and made great by players long before Bonds was even thought of. Where is Bob Gibson when you need him to plant that fastball in Bonds earhole?
Look at the numbers of the games all time great hitters and look attheir power numbers, as wide has alluded to they tend to decline as their career is coming to an end not surge.
In baseball records are sacred, one of the most sacred records is that of Hank Aarons Homerun record, he did it the right way and Bonds will break it by not doing it the right way, much like Wide, I too will never acknowledge him as the HR king. If baseball refuses to acknowledge the greatness that is Charlie Hustle then I refuse to acknowledge the cheater that is and will always be Bonds.

[DrEdward]

It has nothing to do with hating, it has everything to do with respecting this great game that was built and made great by players long before Bonds was even thought of. Where is Bob Gibson when you need him to plant that fastball in Bonds earhole?
Look at the numbers of the games all time great hitters and look attheir power numbers, as wide has alluded to they tend to decline as their career is coming to an end not surge.
In baseball records are sacred, one of the most sacred records is that of Hank Aarons Homerun record, he did it the right way and Bonds will break it by not doing it the right way, much like Wide, I too will never acknowledge him as the HR king. If baseball refuses to acknowledge the greatness that is Charlie Hustle then I refuse to acknowledge the cheater that is and will always be Bonds.

This has simply become amazing. A Yankees fan and a Red Sox fan agree once more. And damn, I agree with wide as well. Stunning. :D

[wide-e-wide]

And damn, I agree with wide as well. Stunning

You should agree with me more often Doc. It's the best way I know of to never be wrong.

[DrEdward]

You should agree with me more often Doc. It's the best way I know of to never be wrong.

Yeah, I know, but I do have this positive thing for Carroll and we just don't seem to see eye-to-eye there. (Although I do agree that I wish some of our fans could be a bit more humble about the success that the boys and coaches have managed to gain on the fields. Does that help?? :D)

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah, I know, but I do have this positive thing for Carroll and we just don't seem to see eye-to-eye there. (Although I do agree that I wish some of our fans could be a bit more humble about the success that the boys and coaches have managed to gain on the fields. Does that help?? :D)

You're a wise man Doc...that's why they pay you the big bucks.

[CoveMom]

You should agree with me more often Doc. It's the best way I know of to never be wrong.

DrEdward!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beware the forces of the Dark Side. Step away from the koolaid and return to the pinstripes. We are here for you and we'll help during recovery. :D

[wide-e-wide]

DrEdward!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beware the forces of the Dark Side. Step away from the koolaid and return to the pinstripes. We are here for you and we'll help during recovery. :D

ummm...The Yankees are the dark side.:confused:

[farmerfan]

DrEdward!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beware the forces of the Dark Side. Step away from the koolaid and return to the pinstripes. We are here for you and we'll help during recovery. :D

yankees suck

[CoveMom]

ummm...The Yankees are the dark side.:confused:

yankees suck

Lost, you are both lost...................

RedSox Suckx2!

(I gotta go to MCC for a basketball game. Talk/Sling Trash later. Cove Lady Dawgs in p/o with Ennis. Our girls are 28-2. Definitely not suck territory :D)

[farmerfan]

Lost, you are both lost...................

RedSox Suckx2!

(I gotta go to MCC for a basketball game. Talk/Sling Trash later. Cove Lady Dawgs in p/o with Ennis. Our girls are 28-2. Definitely not suck territory :D)

the yankees could go 162-0 this year and they would still suck

[DrEdward]

DrEdward!!!!!!!!!!!!! Beware the forces of the Dark Side. Step away from the koolaid and return to the pinstripes. We are here for you and we'll help during recovery. :D

Not too worry Mom. I've been a Yankee fan longer than Farmer has been alive - lots longer. That is not going to change. A sox fan and a Yankees fan can agree on selected items, even though that can truly be amazing. Unfortunately in another 80 years or so, we will have to put up those guys winning a World Series again. :D P.S. it is not the Yankees who suck, but Bonds. Don't want to be accused of moving too far off topic.

[farmerfan]

Not too worry Mom. I've been a Yankee fan longer than Farmer has been alive - lots longer. That is not going to change. A sox fan and a Yankees fan can agree on selected items, even though that can truly be amazing. Unfortunately in another 80 years or so, we will have to put up those guys winning a World Series again. :D P.S. it is not the Yankees who suck, but Bonds. Don't want to be accused of moving too far off topic.

Hey man I gots a bet that if the Sox dont win it again by the time I'm 30 (5 years) then I will go to Boston and stand in Boton Common and denounce the Sox while wearing yankee gear. :eek:

You are right about that, Bonds does suck.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

One could assume the reasoning behind condeming a steroids-taker is because they are cheating and/or setting the playing field unequal/unleveled. My question is, how far do we go back, and how do we factor "cheating" in sports? Was it considered cheating when MLB inacted a rule of "No Blacks Allowed", within their policy of eligibility, up untilt he date of April 15, 1947? Did players like Ruth, Gherig, DiMaggio and Yogi benefit from an era of non-equality? Was THAT cheating? How about the allegations (1 player who admitted) that the Pittsburgh Steelers used performance-enhancing drugs during Super Bowl championship seasons in the 1970's? Are they consider cheaters for alledgedly using steroids? Yes, it was legal in the NFL, when they were doing it, but wasn't it legal when Bonds was supposedly doing it? Alzado is an example of something that was extremely wild in use, at the time of the 80's.

How about other NFL'ers in the 1980's and early 1990's, who admittedly used cocaine and heroine while playing football. LT, Manley and Irvin all of whom have admitted using, and expressed how prevelant "crack" was in the NFL throughout the 80's and 90's. Were they cheating when they were hyped up on drugs and playing like wild beasts on the football field? And, what about Lance Armstrong? He was accussed of steroids. He was, supposedly cleared, until Floyd Landis - another American - tested positive for "roids"! Is their success and mere accussation enough to warrant them guilty?

How about things like growing up in a rich home, where you can afford special trainers and luxuries like expensive supplements and the advantage of going to the "better" rich city or private schools? Is that unfair to the athletes that are born in poverty, but have to train in a garage to get to the same level of those who have a better start? Sounds crazy, I know.

My point is, we've picked Barry Bonds out of history and said, "We believe you're guilty, and nothing will convince us otherwise!"...yet, we choose to single only Barry and/or the Baseball era over the last 15 or 20 yrs. (ie...Sosa, McGwire) What about the rest of history and sports? If they cheated, fine...they cheated. But, why stop here? Why just these guys?

I have no problem expressing the boundaries of playing fields, and punishing those who choose to insult or disgrace that game and its' boundaries. However, when I choose to point my finger I want to be fair in my decision. I want to say, "Bonds you only succeeded due to an unfair/unequal playing field! But so did ALL these other GREATS!"

My thinking is simple, if Sosa or McGwire or even Bonds had excellent personalities and they were truly humble, open and sorry about their supposed use, then I think the fans wouldn't be so harsh. Mainly I point out Barry Bonds...he's aarogant and a jerk to the media, teammates and fans. Why in the world would they defend him, even if he is innocent? Bonds biggest opposition is his attitude/mouth...not roids.

All of that said, I think history needs to check itself, because alot of athletes have succeeded due to unfair playing fields.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

IMO, Roger is simply old and fat.

Once again, with all due respect to "The Rocket", I met Roger a couple of years ago at a celebrity golf tournament, and, that ain't fat.

[farmerfan]

Once again, with all due respect to "The Rocket", I met Roger a couple of years ago at a celebrity golf tournament, and, that ain't fat.

Roger sucks.

[BlackandRed05]

It has nothing to do with hating, it has everything to do with respecting this great game that was built and made great by players long before Bonds was even thought of. Where is Bob Gibson when you need him to plant that fastball in Bonds earhole?
Look at the numbers of the games all time great hitters and look attheir power numbers, as wide has alluded to they tend to decline as their career is coming to an end not surge.
In baseball records are sacred, one of the most sacred records is that of Hank Aarons Homerun record, he did it the right way and Bonds will break it by not doing it the right way, much like Wide, I too will never acknowledge him as the HR king. If baseball refuses to acknowledge the greatness that is Charlie Hustle then I refuse to acknowledge the cheater that is and will always be Bonds.

Wow, so a great player from yesteryear would throw at a guys head just cause he cant compete with him? What an ignorant comment.

[farmerfan]

Wow, so a great player from yesteryear would throw at a guys head just cause he cant compete with him? What an ignorant comment.

Bob Gibson is 10x the ballplayer that Barry will ever be. Show me one instance where I said Gibson could not compete with Bonds? Gibson would sit Bonds down on 3 pitches, and it would'nt even be funny.
I said the comment about throwing at his head because of the way Bonds has disrespected the game, same goes for McGwire, Sosa and Palmerio. So it looks like the ignorant one is you due to your lack of reading comprehension.

[BlackandRed05]

Bob Gibson is 10x the ballplayer that Barry will ever be. Show me one instance where I said Gibson could not compete with Bonds? Gibson would sit Bonds down on 3 pitches, and it would'nt even be funny.
I said the comment about throwing at his head because of the way Bonds has disrespected the game, same goes for McGwire, Sosa and Palmerio. So it looks like the ignorant one is you due to your lack of reading comprehension.

Please guy, you meant what you said the first time. Dont back away now. Anyways, who knows if he would sit Bonds down in 3 pitches, its just your opinion. I doubt that he could, just my opinion.

[wide-e-wide]

Bob Gibson would have Pumpkinhead pissin' in his pants. Pitch one comes within an inch of that helium filled balloon he calls a head. Pitch two is a pea at the knees....follow that with another bb at the old coconut. By this point Barry won't know whether to [censored] or go blind. Strike 2 and 3 come with ease.

Remember Bob Gibson finished the '68 season with an ERA of 1.12:eek: with 13 shutouts. He did that against some pretty salty hitters too. I'll take Gibby and it ain't even close. The steroids only work if you can make contact with the ball. Barry wouldn't make good contact against Gibson.

[farmerfan]

Please guy, you meant what you said the first time. Dont back away now. Anyways, who knows if he would sit Bonds down in 3 pitches, its just your opinion. I doubt that he could, just my opinion.

dont try and twist meaning into what I said. I said what I did because Bonds is an *** hole who needs to go up against one of the best to ever play the game in Bob Gibson. Gibson much like Koufax would not shy away from est the inside part of the plat. Being a big dominating lefty like he was I would to have loved seen Bob Gibson a pitcher and great ball player est his superiority over bonds. It had nothing to do with him competing. The fact that you would even suggest that leads me to think you no jack **** about baseball.

[BlackandRed05]

Bob Gibson would have Pumpkinhead pissin' in his pants. Pitch one comes within an inch of that helium filled balloon he calls a head. Pitch two is a pea at the knees....follow that with another bb at the old coconut. By this point Barry won't know whether to [censored] or go blind. Strike 2 and 3 come with ease.

Remember Bob Gibson finished the '68 season with an ERA of 1.12:eek: with 13 shutouts. He did that against some pretty salty hitters too. I'll take Gibby and it ain't even close. The steroids only work if you can make contact with the ball. Barry wouldn't make good contact against Gibson.

Yea whatever, ok, sure, . Gibson would get a pulled muscle in his neck caused he turned to watch the ball fly out of the park.

[farmerfan]

Yea whatever, ok, sure, . Gibson would get a pulled muscle in his neck caused he turned to watch the ball fly out of the park.

you know nothign about baseball do you?

[BlackandRed05]

you know nothign about baseball do you?

Why do you say that? Because I dont agree with you?

[farmerfan]

Why do you say that? Because I dont agree with you?

your ignorance dealing with Bob Gibson is enough for me to know.

[wide-e-wide]

I've seen Oswalt go head up with Bonds and Barry did nothing. In fact Oswalt went right at him more than once on opening day a few years ago.
Yet he is supposed to take Bob Gibson yard? No disrespect to Roy O....but he ain't f'n Bob Gibson...not even close.

[BlackandRed05]

your ignorance dealing with Bob Gibson is enough for me to know.

aw man, good answer. you are the most brilliant person ive ever talked to.

[farmerfan]

aw man, good answer. you are the most brilliant person ive ever talked to.

consider it a blessing, you will thank me one day. i normally charge but since you're young and dumb I have sympathy

[BlackandRed05]

consider it a blessing, you will thank me one day. i normally charge but since you're young and dumb I have sympathy

another intelligent comeback. im so blessed.

[BlackandRed05]

I've seen Oswalt go head up with Bonds and Barry did nothing. In fact Oswalt went right at him more than once on opening day a few years ago.
Yet he is supposed to take Bob Gibson yard? No disrespect to Roy O....but he ain't f'n Bob Gibson...not even close.
Wide, I agree with you, and heres a thought. Bob Gibson wasnt pitching to the same caliber of power hitters that are out there today.

[wide-e-wide]

[/B]
Wide, I agree with you, and heres a thought. Bob Gibson wasnt pitching to the same caliber of power hitters that are out there today.

OH BS he wasn't.

Willie McCovey, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Johnny Bench, Ernie Banks...freaking Clemente???
He finished the SEASON with an ERA of 1.12 pitching against those guys.

I'll take at least 3 of those guys I listed before Barry Bonds.

[farmerfan]

OH BS he wasn't.

Willie McCovey, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Johnny Bench, Ernie Banks...freaking Clemente???
He finished the SEASON with an ERA of 1.12 pitching against those guys.

I'll take at least 3 of those guys I listed before Barry Bonds.

Wide put these so called power hitters today in ballparks back from yesteryear and lets see what kind of numbers they put up. That was an era in which you didnt see it 310 down the freaking lines and 370 in the ******* gaps.

[wide-e-wide]

Wide put these so called power hitters today in ballparks back from yesteryear and lets see what kind of numbers they put up. That was an era in which you didnt see it 310 down the freaking lines and 370 in the ******* gaps.

Yeah I know...
Mays played when the gap at the Polo Grounds was what?.....943ft??
Good God that park was a pitcher's heaven was it not?
You take Bonds away from that BS porch in RF...and McCovey Cove...stick his swollen f'n milkjug head in the Polo Grounds...suddenly he's freakin' Tony Gwynn without the batting average to match.

[farmerfan]

In the 67 series Gibson went 3-0 pitching 3 complete games. The greatest hitter in baseball that season and the last time we saw a triple crown winner, Carl Yastrzemski went 3-11 against Gibson including 0-4 in game 1 and 1-3 in game 7. Yaz was a better hitter than Bonds ever will dream of being.

[farmerfan]

another intelligent comeback. im so blessed.

**** face i have nbeld out to long. you are a ******* *******. bob gibson would make barrywonderuil his ******* biuthch. gibson had a fastball unlike anything barr overinflated eggnog head has ever seen. bonds does not have the batspeed to catch up with it. of course you have only been a ******* fan sicne 2003 rigfht? go google yourself.

[jtk1519]

**** face i have nbeld out to long. you are a ******* *******. bob gibson would make barrywonderuil his ******* biuthch. gibson had a fastball unlike anything barr overinflated eggnog head has ever seen. bonds does not have the batspeed to catch up with it. of course you have only been a ******* fan sicne 2003 rigfht? go google yourself.

Good Lord.

[farmerfan]

Good Lord.

faremer is ficking meand and drunke tonighet

[jtk1519]

faremer is ficking meand and drunke tonighet

Noooooooo. Really? Are you serious?

[farmerfan]

Noooooooo. Really? Are you serious?

fucek clowns thas suggest that furcking steriod using boble head barry could stand in the box against bobby gibson. iots not fuicking match. thatt **** pisses me off man. **** them

[jtk1519]

fucek clowns thas suggest that furcking steriod using boble head barry could stand in the box against bobby gibson. iots not fuicking match. thatt **** pisses me off man. **** them

I'm with you on that one. Bonds and his eggnog head aint worth a damn anymore.

[farmerfan]

I'm with you on that one. Bonds and his eggnog head aint worth a damn anymore.

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[jtk1519]

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I don't know if you're fit to obtain any more beer.

[farmerfan]

I don't know if you're fit to obtain any more beer.

youo don ot know me

[jtk1519]

youo don ot know me

It is just a hunch. I could be wrong.

[farmerfan]

It is just a hunch. I could be wrong.

imready wolleng and abel

[jtk1519]

imready wolleng and abel

You're a champ.

[farmerfan]

You're a champ.

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[farmerfan]

yougueys sick now. seeys in fewe

[jtk1519]

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Why can't there be a doctor's office open at 4 in the morning.

[farmerfan]

farmere wont make it till 7 however his alarm is set for 12:30 pm well it will start once again. for teaoy is beartiful becacue it is 1.50 pint nioght at hooligans

[BlackandRed05]

Yeah I know...
Mays played when the gap at the Polo Grounds was what?.....943ft??
Good God that park was a pitcher's heaven was it not?
You take Bonds away from that BS porch in RF...and McCovey Cove...stick his swollen f'n milkjug head in the Polo Grounds...suddenly he's freakin' Tony Gwynn without the batting average to match.

After careful consideration, I have to admit that I may have been wrong. I must have been thinking of Charles Gibson ( Good Morning America ) instead of Bob Gibson.