A Hot thread for Lonny

[Favpack]

Ok Lonny - here you go - a new thread with some punch.

East Texas football is far superior to West Texas football, there is no room for discussion in my book - but I'm game to listen to any reasonable theory.

Why you ask? One word

S--P--E--E--D !!!

Speed kills baby.

[drgnbkr]

Ok Lonny - here you go - a new thread with some punch.

East Texas football is far superior to West Texas football, there is no room for discussion in my book - but I'm game to listen to any reasonable theory.

Why you ask? One word

S--P--E--E--D !!!

Speed kills baby.

Is it possible that speed killed lufkin this year? I did'nt see the Roundrock game, but listened, and they kept talking about Lufkin overpursuing on the misdirection plays...just something to talk about in this whacky offseason...

[wide-e-wide]

Is it possible that speed killed lufkin this year? I did'nt see the Roundrock game, but listened, and they kept talking about Lufkin overpursuing on the misdirection plays...just something to talk about in this whacky offseason...

How does over-pursuing = being killed by speed?
Wouldn't it be the other way around? If a team is over-pursuing
it would appear that they are going one way or the other too fast...therefore allowing a slower competitor to use the other team's momentum in the wrong direction to level the playing field.
Just my opinion but I think Round Rock played an extremely intelligent game...they used one of Lufkin's strongest assets (speed) to their advantage.
They caused mass confusion with reverses and fake reverses...often times Lufkin's speed caused them to be in the wrong place.

[farmerfan]

Ok Lonny - here you go - a new thread with some punch.

East Texas football is far superior to West Texas football, there is no room for discussion in my book - but I'm game to listen to any reasonable theory.

Why you ask? One word

S--P--E--E--D !!!

Speed kills baby.


UhOH :eek:

Let the six man comments start

[North Texas Football]

Oops! This could be interesting...

[farmerfan]

Oops! This could be interesting...

you have no idea. Windthorst has the greatest program in the entire state my friend.

[TrojanHorse03]

How does over-pursuing = being killed by speed?
Wouldn't it be the other way around? If a team is over-pursuing
it would appear that they are going one way or the other too fast...therefore allowing a slower competitor to use the other team's momentum in the wrong direction to level the playing field.
Just my opinion but I think Round Rock played an extremely intelligent game...they used one of Lufkin's strongest assets (speed) to their advantage.
They caused mass confusion with reverses and fake reverses...often times Lufkin's speed caused them to be in the wrong place.

I think you kind of agreed with him. You both were saying Round Rock used Lufkin's speed against them.

[wide-e-wide]

I think you kind of agreed with him. You both were saying Round Rock used Lufkin's speed against them.

Maybe I misunderstood. I took it as Round Rock's speed is what beat Lufkin. Clearly that wasn't the case. Round Rock's brains and play-calling is what beat Lufkin. Couple that with piss poor unity on the Pack sideline and you got yourself an upset waiting to happen.

[Favpack]

Yeah - I actually do understand it - RR used LP's speed against us. How? Misdirections, reverses, etc. Our players were unfocused that day -- which, believe it or not is uncharacteristic for a Lufkin D. We were over-pursuing the ball -and not staying in our lanes.

That's how you beat team speed at the HS level. RR's coach is a keeper.

[jp744]

Yeah speed kills! But there are two kinds of speed that kill. Stupid Speed and Smart Speed. LP had a lot of Stupid Speed on that day and yes speed killed that day.......... a playoff run .

[Sakatha]

Maybe I misunderstood. I took it as Round Rock's speed is what beat Lufkin. Clearly that wasn't the case. Round Rock's brains and play-calling is what beat Lufkin. Couple that with piss poor unity on the Pack sideline and you got yourself an upset waiting to happen.

Has that been a chronic issue under Outlaw, or was it a case of a few players being unable to put the team in front of themselves?

~DnM

[grayowl60]

Has that been a chronic issue under Outlaw, or was it a case of a few players being unable to put the team in front of themselves?

~DnM
Nah.... i wouldnt blame Coach Outlaw. We ARE talking about teenagers. LOTS of programs have social, economic and cultural issues. Outlaw has done a great job in keeping that program on track, and winning.

[pack0808]

Well considering the whole team only had about 1 days worth of practice and preparation because of some major turmoil that week it is no wonder they looked so unprepared and clueless. ;) Still no excuse and RR just kicked Lufkin's tail either way. I have not seen a LP defense get dominated like that very often in the last 6 or 7 years. Very rare to say the least!

[trainin' the game]

I agree with the statements that have been made; if lufkin had stupid speed and lost then cedar hill had very smart speed and won. An example of this would have been the garland game. Garland tried alot of misdirection pass plays in the first quarter that hurt ch; the coaching staff made some adjustments and put the kids in a situation to be sucessful.

East texas and west texas are completely different; when it comes to high school football; west texas not have near the athletes east texas has; all you have to do is look at the next level and see that east texas has more athletes.

[pack0808]

Nah.... i wouldnt blame Coach Outlaw. We ARE talking about teenagers. LOTS of programs have social, economic and cultural issues. Outlaw has done a great job in keeping that program on track, and winning.

agreed!

[TrojanHorse03]

Heres what I still dont get why was there supposed squabbling, and infighting, they just put 72:eek: on some poor boys. "Were they not entertained?" Really what and why was there turmoil after that?

[wide-e-wide]

Heres what I still dont get why was there supposed squabbling, and infighting, they just put 72:eek: on some poor boys. "Were they not entertained?" Really what and why was there turmoil after that?

That I cannot answer because I have no idea. Everything I've "heard" points to certain players threatening to quit the team. Why? I have no clue.

[pack0808]

Heres what I still dont get why was there supposed squabbling, and infighting, they just put 72:eek: on some poor boys. "Were they not entertained?" Really what and why was there turmoil after that?


It is a long story but I can tell you in pc if you would like? Bunch of bs really. I was told by some very reliable sources (coaches) to say the least.

[Sakatha]

That I cannot answer because I have no idea. Everything I've "heard" points to certain players threatening to quit the team. Why? I have no clue.

What I wonder is if the certain players are the same ones my source has reported...

Once of which being Dez Bryant.

~DnM

[jp744]

Is'nt football the Ultimate TEAM game. I love football. One ball and too many egos, never works!(ie T.O.) That is why you have to appreciate SLC so much. You can put TEAM ME on a t-shirt and your team will not get near those kids at SLC believe.

[wide-e-wide]

Is'nt football the Ultimate TEAM game. I love football. One ball and too many egos, never works!(ie T.O.) That is why you have to appreciate SLC so much. You can put TEAM on a t-shirt and your team will not get near what
ME
those kids at SLC believe.

Should have known that this would turn into a "praise SLC bow down and worship them" thread.

[Sakatha]

Should have known that this would turn into a "praise SLC bow down and worship them" thread.

One post accomplished that? Damn, that boy has skills.

~DnM

[wide-e-wide]

It's tired bro...that's all I'm saying. We get the point...we all know...can we move on or what?

[grayowl60]

Heres what I still dont get why was there supposed squabbling, and infighting, they just put 72:eek: on some poor boys. "Were they not entertained?" Really what and why was there turmoil after that?
Coach said something that pissed somebody off
Somebodys girlfriend went out with another player
Trouble with an English teacher
Not getting the ball enough
A friend got kicked of the team
Not getting recognition
etc. etc. like I say... teenagers....coaching:eek:

[drgnbkr]

Should have known that this would turn into a "praise SLC bow down and worship them" thread.

We're tired of all the hero worship.........;)

[wide-e-wide]

Coach said something that pissed somebody off
Somebodys girlfriend went out with another player
Trouble with an English teacher
Not getting the ball enough
A friend got kicked of the team
Not getting recognition
etc. etc. like I say... teenagers....coaching:eek:

Unfortunately there are couple of those that apply to the Lufkin situation.
Just plain stupid I tell 'ya...really disappointed that it came down to that.

[Favpack]

OK - well kiss my grits - I try to cheer Lonny up since he's off in a third world country or somewhere - and what thanks do I get - this becomes a trash Lufkin thread :D

So, we've concluded that:

East beats west
Speed kills and bad speed kills badly
Lufkin had a few apples that went rotten in Dec.
Anything else?

[farmerfan]

OK - well kiss my grits - I try to cheer Lonny up since he's off in a third world country or somewhere - and what thanks do I get - this becomes a trash Lufkin thread :D

So, we've concluded that:

East beats west
Speed kills and bad speed kills badly
Lufkin had a few apples that went rotten in Dec.
Anything else?

6 man come on 6 man gotta give Windthorst some love they're they best program in this state bar none.

[Favpack]

6 man come on 6 man gotta give Windthorst some love they're they best program in this state bar none.

Windthorst and SLC - schools that come to mind for total domination. Of course, only one got a ring this year:eek:

[farmerfan]

Windthorst and SLC - schools that come to mind for total domination. Of course, only one got a ring this year:eek:

true but dont tell lonny that.

[lonny23]

Actually,

This is a good topic to bring up. To kinda balance out the number of teams, I think you have to look at East Texas being everything east of I-35, but you also have to take into consideration the different classes.

5A- The 2 title teams were between I-35 East and West. Overall the East Texas teams were far better than the West Texas teams without DFW, Austin, or SA in the mix. At the 5A level, I don't distinguish between what side of I-35 a team plays on in those towns.

4A- This really isn't an East-West argument anymore. The Metro teams dominate. I'll say East is a little better.

3A- I've got to go with East Texas in this one. The number of schools from 5A down to 3A are dropping like flies in West Texas.

2A- Traditionally, I'll give the edge to East Texas. West Texas has some good teams, but better speed from East Texas beats West Texas many times.

1A- The 2 title teams were from East Texas. Most of the depth was in West Texas. I've gotta give West Texas the edge.

Six Man- This is a forfeit. East Texas has very few teams and West Texas has always dominated this class.

[AE 8008]

East texas and west texas are completely different; when it comes to high school football; west texas not have near the athletes east texas has; all you have to do is look at the next level and see that east texas has more athletes.[/QUOTE]



i agree that east texas has tons of talent, yet i dont believe your argument has validity concerning cedar hill only played one team from west texas, amarillo, if you even want to call that west texas, and not even one of the best teams from west texas. because of population density, east texas overall has more people than west texas, and therefore may have more athletes because of population, yet their caliber is no better than west texas. abilene had some 11 players play college ball after the 2004 season (some were D-1, but most were D-2) and 8 players play after high school in 2005, permian, midland, and midland lee always have fantastic athletes too (cedric benson, roy williams, etc). if you want to talk numbers, then i can believe east texas has more athletes than west texas. if you want to talk caliber, then i disagree that east texas has the advantage

[jp744]

Dude no more demographic breakdowns. YOUR KILLN' ME. Next your going to blame the wind out there because your team can't throw the ball. I see how your working this. East Texas has the best athletes hands down.

[mojotrain]

Dude no more demographic breakdowns. YOUR KILLN' ME. Next your going to blame the wind out there because your team can't throw the ball. I see how your working this. East Texas has the best athletes hands down.
In total numbers, you win. Were kinda like the Marines here in the west. All we need is a few good men. But to make a debate and compare apples to apples give me the name of your best four teams in the last four decades, I'll pick mine and we will debate. Pick your best of high school football and don't get off into College/Pro this or that. If you want to pick other highschool sports, fine we can go there too. But might want to exit this high school football site. You might make it easier for yourself if you start by finding two of your schools with 9 big school state championships between them. If you cant do that then you blowing in the wind statement is mute and you are up to your ears in muck and red bugs.

[mojotrain]

How does over-pursuing = being killed by speed?
Wouldn't it be the other way around? If a team is over-pursuing
it would appear that they are going one way or the other too fast...therefore allowing a slower competitor to use the other team's momentum in the wrong direction to level the playing field.
Just my opinion but I think Round Rock played an extremely intelligent game...they used one of Lufkin's strongest assets (speed) to their advantage.
They caused mass confusion with reverses and fake reverses...often times Lufkin's speed caused them to be in the wrong place.

I agree here. Smart with average speed will beat extreme speed. I doubt if sLC had the speed that a lot of teams they whacked had.

[AE 8008]

Dude no more demographic breakdowns. YOUR KILLN' ME. Next your going to blame the wind out there because your team can't throw the ball. I see how your working this. East Texas has the best athletes hands down.



no, you just missed the point
i only said there are more athletes in east texas because of population, i totally agree that there are MORE athletes in east than west texas.
the population and the caliber of athletes have nothing to do with each other, as i stated before
all i said was that the athletes in east and west texas are equal in talent, yet east texas has more than west.
and we're talking about regions here, not teams, i wasnt complaining about my team at all. my team has no problems throwing the ball despite the wind out here:D


sorry if i take forever to repost, my comp has gone whack and will only let me post every once and a while

[AE 8008]

In total numbers, you win. Were kinda like the Marines here in the west. All we need is a few good men. But to make a debate and compare apples to apples give me the name of your best four teams in the last four decades, I'll pick mine and we will debate. Pick your best of high school football and don't get off into College/Pro this or that. If you want to pick other highschool sports, fine we can go there too. But might want to exit this high school football site. You might make it easier for yourself if you start by finding two of your schools with 9 big school state championships between them. If you cant do that then you blowing in the wind statement is mute and you are up to your ears in muck and red bugs.



bingo.
a few good men and alot of heart is what makes up the LSWC

[lonny23]

Don't forget these legendary schools in Texas lore:

Odessa Permian
Midland Lee
Amarillo
Lubbock (Them, too!)
Wichita Falls
Stamford
Breckenridge
Brownwood
Abilene
Fort Hancock

There are many more that have won titles, but those are a few that have multiple titles.

West Texas football isn't as good as the Oil Boom days, but they've had plenty of success.

[mojotrain]

Don't forget these legendary schools in Texas lore:

Odessa Permian
Midland Lee
Amarillo
Lubbock (Them, too!)
Wichita Falls
Stamford
Breckenridge
Brownwood
Abilene
Fort Hancock

There are many more that have won titles, but those are a few that have multiple titles.

West Texas football isn't as good as the Oil Boom days, but they've had plenty of success.

The rigs are working, theres not enough of them and the boom is back. I bet the kids not playing basketball are doping pipe threads and throwin rods after school.:)

[jp744]

Now that is funny! I don't care who you are. LOL! That's as funny as saying you guys still have stains on your front teeth! You'all did get that fixed...right? Just wondering? mojotrain.... you might have had a point. But Lonny blew you up when he threw out some old school programs. Hence the word "Legendary" they were at one time. When you break out the "Legendary" and Fort Hancock, Abilene, Brownwood, Breckenridge, Stamford, Wichita Falls, Lubbock, and Amarillo card. I am done! Man..... You got me! Hell yeah! West Texas Rules Texas High School Football and have "per capita" the best athletes!! You might have been better off staying with Windthorst. And by the way if east texas has more athletes why would that not make them better?

[mojotrain]

Now that is funny! I don't care who you are. LOL! That's as funny as saying you guys still have stains on your front teeth! You'all did get that fixed...right? Just wondering? mojotrain.... you might have had a point. But Lonny blew you up when he threw out some old school programs. Hence the word "Legendary" they were at one time. When you break out the "Legendary" and Fort Hancock, Abilene, Brownwood, Breckenridge, Stamford, Wichita Falls, Lubbock, and Amarillo card. I am done! Man..... You got me! Hell yeah! West Texas Rules Texas High School Football and have "per capita" the best athletes!! You might have been better off staying with Windthorst. And by the way if east texas has more athletes why would that not make them better?

Boy that was easy! Did Cedric Benson run up your fannie in legendary 2000 or something. And you won in?

[jp744]

That is what makes this state a "Football Hotbed". You start to boil when your team is not on top and you will do whatever it takes to get your team on top. West Texas will have its time again. Just not right now. Cedric Benson was in Jr High when I played but he might have if we would have played him. No rings here. Not in High School anyway.

[mojotrain]

That is what makes this state a "Football Hotbed". You start to boil when your team is not on top and you will do whatever it takes to get your team on top. West Texas will have its time again. Just not right now. Cedric Benson was in Jr High when I played but he might have if we would have played him. No rings here. Not in High School anyway.

Well jp I don't know about AE 8008 but I've lost your train of thought or your point. I brought up Benson, because the year 2000 was not so long ago. If it is to you, then maybe year before last was also long ago to you. West Texas, in big class did not go beyond the 3rd round last year. Although getting beat soundly by SLC 2005 Abilene did go quite a ways to prove they were better that 95 percent of the rest of the state. In Odessa were kinda skinny but if you walk through the halls at the Abilene High Schools or the Mitlan High Schools you would see no difference in the East Texas Schools.

Maybe I'm leaning too much towards teams and your talking individuals. If you think there is a special gene pool that is special and inherent to east Texas you simply have tunnel vision.

If your finallity to this discussion is there are more kids in the east than in the west, so therefore that wins the argument for your first statement, then you are correct. That make sense.

Did you know there are more atheletes in China than in the USA?

[jp744]

Ok. Let me try to modify this for you maybe my thoughts are to foogy for you to see. You want teams lets look at that. How many state champs have you had since 2000 have come from West Texas Div 1 & 2? You mentioned 2000 cause it is the only one. You can't classify a playoff run of 95% and a blown coverage assignment as being anything becasue there were lot's of other teams that did the same thing another year but did not win the championship. Because we are talking about winning state championships right. I mean that is the ultimate TEAM goal right. Let me know what you consider West Texas. There have been some nice programs from that area that had good years and had runs of 95%. I know that you are trying to hold onto the glory days of the 90's and yes west texas did dominate the 90's to an extent. East Texas had some good teams then as well. I will give you that one though because of the book, movie and drama series on tv. But those days are gone and so are the people that provided those days. They have moved to East Texas where there are some jobs. I know that you do not want to move down in classification because those divisions have been dominated by east texas. Let me know what you think of my so called Tunnel Vision. And yes China does have a plethora of fine young Ping Pongers and gymnast. Still does not solve your problem. But nice try!

[mojotrain]

Ok. Let me try to modify this for you maybe my thoughts are to foogy for you to see. You want teams lets look at that. How many state champs have you had since 2000 have come from West Texas Div 1 & 2? You mentioned 2000 cause it is the only one. You can't classify a playoff run of 95% and a blown coverage assignment as being anything becasue there were lot's of other teams that did the same thing another year but did not win the championship. Because we are talking about winning state championships right. I mean that is the ultimate TEAM goal right. Let me know what you consider West Texas. There have been some nice programs from that area that had good years and had runs of 95%. I know that you are trying to hold onto the glory days of the 90's and yes west texas did dominate the 90's to an extent. East Texas had some good teams then as well. I will give you that one though because of the book, movie and drama series on tv. But those days are gone and so are the people that provided those days. They have moved to East Texas where there are some jobs. I know that you do not want to move down in classification because those divisions have been dominated by east texas. Let me know what you think of my so called Tunnel Vision. And yes China does have a plethora of fine young Ping Pongers and gymnast. Still does not solve your problem. But nice try!
jp I am defending west Texas the kids, the schools and the all three of the districts. No body has left West texas for East no more than East have left for the west. Un-employment in Odessa is at 3.4 percent and less than that in Midland. Lubbock and Amarillo are near those figures. No one lives in West Texas unless this is where they prefer to be. Execellent money is made here and my guess would be outside of a few pockets or settelments around Dallas, Ft. Worth, Austin and Houston the wage in this area is as high and maybe higher than anywhere in Texas.

A (one)high school in East Texas of 2500 kids has no more of the kids you refer to than any highschool in west Texas of 2500 kids. I'm at a disavantage because I don't know if you are talking about a specific school or several. My defense is of two districts only 3 and 5-5A. Then I'm not certain what you claim as east Texas. I don't remember very many of what I consider east Texas teams winning state championships lately. But again unless east Texas has some type of gene program going to produce a super human kid then you can't make a for sure statement about them. Just your opinion.

Don't watch movies and believe what you see. Look on our web site and see the ath. facility were building with private donations. That would be odessapermian.com that is if you want to see how the down and out operate.

[lonny23]

Now that is funny! I don't care who you are. LOL! That's as funny as saying you guys still have stains on your front teeth! You'all did get that fixed...right? Just wondering? mojotrain.... you might have had a point. But Lonny blew you up when he threw out some old school programs. Hence the word "Legendary" they were at one time. When you break out the "Legendary" and Fort Hancock, Abilene, Brownwood, Breckenridge, Stamford, Wichita Falls, Lubbock, and Amarillo card. I am done! Man..... You got me! Hell yeah! West Texas Rules Texas High School Football and have "per capita" the best athletes!! You might have been better off staying with Windthorst. And by the way if east texas has more athletes why would that not make them better?I didn't mention Windthorst because they only have 2 titles and 4 finals and I talk about them quite a bit already. They are plenty good in football, though.:cool:

I will say they're legendary in volleyball with these playoff results since 1988:

88 Semis
89 Quarterfinals
90 Semis
91 Finals
92-94 Champs
95-96 Semis
97-02 Champs
03 Finals
04-05 Champs
06 Finals

11 out of the last 15 titles isn't bad!:D

[lonny23]

jp I am defending west Texas the kids, the schools and the all three of the districts. No body has left West texas for East no more than East have left for the west. Un-employment in Odessa is at 3.4 percent and less than that in Midland. Lubbock and Amarillo are near those figures. No one lives in West Texas unless this is where they prefer to be. Execellent money is made here and my guess would be outside of a few pockets or settelments around Dallas, Ft. Worth, Austin and Houston the wage in this area is as high and maybe higher than anywhere in Texas.

A (one)high school in East Texas of 2500 kids has no more of the kids you refer to than any highschool in west Texas of 2500 kids. I'm at a disavantage because I don't know if you are talking about a specific school or several. My defense is of two districts only 3 and 5-5A. Then I'm not certain what you claim as east Texas. I don't remember very many of what I consider east Texas teams winning state championships lately. But again unless east Texas has some type of gene program going to produce a super human kid then you can't make a for sure statement about them. Just your opinion.

Don't watch movies and believe what you see. Look on our web site and see the ath. facility were building with private donations. That would be odessapermian.com that is if you want to see how the down and out operate.You're right people choose to live in West Texas. Those who don't like it move someplace else. My dad grew up in West Texas and always wanted to live in East Texas. I was deprived of being born in West Texas and grew up in East Texas more than anyplace else, but my heart was always on West Texas. In many ways, my family tree skips a generation. My Great Grandfather settled in West Texas in the late 1800's and I truly believe my Grandparents were much happier when they lived in Pampa before my Aunt pretty much twisted their arms to move to Hawkins. I don't think they really wanted to leave. I have a love for that part of the state that my 2 previous generations had that my dad never did. He's always wanted what he didn't have.

[AE 8008]

Ok. Let me try to modify this for you maybe my thoughts are to foogy for you to see. You want teams lets look at that. How many state champs have you had since 2000 have come from West Texas Div 1 & 2? You mentioned 2000 cause it is the only one. You can't classify a playoff run of 95% and a blown coverage assignment as being anything becasue there were lot's of other teams that did the same thing another year but did not win the championship. Because we are talking about winning state championships right. I mean that is the ultimate TEAM goal right. Let me know what you consider West Texas. There have been some nice programs from that area that had good years and had runs of 95%. I know that you are trying to hold onto the glory days of the 90's and yes west texas did dominate the 90's to an extent. East Texas had some good teams then as well. I will give you that one though because of the book, movie and drama series on tv. But those days are gone and so are the people that provided those days. They have moved to East Texas where there are some jobs. I know that you do not want to move down in classification because those divisions have been dominated by east texas. Let me know what you think of my so called Tunnel Vision. And yes China does have a plethora of fine young Ping Pongers and gymnast. Still does not solve your problem. But nice try!



you can also give west texas the 50's (abilene/Lubock), 60's (SA Central/Permian) 70s-90s (Permian/Lee)
6 state championships for abilene in 8 appearances
6 state championships for permian in 11 appearances
3 state championships for mid-lee in all 3 appearances
Because we are talking about winning state championships right. I mean that is the ultimate TEAM goal right.

wheres WOS?

[AE 8008]

Well jp I don't know about AE 8008 but I've lost your train of thought or your point. I brought up Benson, because the year 2000 was not so long ago. If it is to you, then maybe year before last was also long ago to you. West Texas, in big class did not go beyond the 3rd round last year. Although getting beat soundly by SLC 2005 Abilene did go quite a ways to prove they were better that 95 percent of the rest of the state. In Odessa were kinda skinny but if you walk through the halls at the Abilene High Schools or the Mitlan High Schools you would see no difference in the East Texas Schools.

Maybe I'm leaning too much towards teams and your talking individuals. If you think there is a special gene pool that is special and inherent to east Texas you simply have tunnel vision.

If your finallity to this discussion is there are more kids in the east than in the west, so therefore that wins the argument for your first statement, then you are correct. That make sense.

Did you know there are more atheletes in China than in the USA?


abilene's performance against slc in 04 was much better than 05
having the ball on the 11 yard line in dragon territory, 2 timeouts left, 48 seconds to go and then throwing a pic to end the game 35-30 is pretty dadgum close to beating the eventual state champions of that year who pretty much steamrolled everyone they faced. one better pass or good run couldve made slc 78-2:eek:

[jp744]

You guys have no idea do you. I lived in west texas for 5 years. we used to go to a waterpark in your Midland when I was little. I don't need you to tell me all of this. I don't need DEMOGRAPHICS. I DO READ AND I AM VERY WELL EDUCATED I DO NOT NEED YOU TO TELL ME THIS! I don't really care. Now first you wanted to talk about teams and you got your panties in a wad about all of that. Now you want to talk about players! HOW MANY D1 SCHOOLARSHIPS WILL THOSE TWO DISTRICTS SIGN ON WED? Out of the Top 100 Recruits in the nation 9 are from East Texas. 1 is from West Texas and he is not from the district that you are refering to. The kid is from El Paso. What about El Paso? Would that not be West Texas? El Paso is like the RGV for San Antonio an easy couple of weeks of wins in the play-offs.

[AE 8008]

You guys have no idea do you. I lived in west texas for 5 years. we used to go to a waterpark in your Midland when I was little. I don't need you to tell me all of this. I don't need DEMOGRAPHICS. I DO READ AND I AM VERY WELL EDUCATED I DO NOT NEED YOU TO TELL ME THIS! I don't really care. Now first you wanted to talk about teams and you got your panties in a wad about all of that. Now you want to talk about players! HOW MANY D1 SCHOOLARSHIPS WILL THOSE TWO DISTRICTS SIGN ON WED? Out of the Top 100 Recruits in the nation 9 are from East Texas. 1 is from West Texas and he is not from the district that you are refering to. The kid is from El Paso. What about El Paso? Would that not be West Texas? El Paso is like the RGV for San Antonio an easy couple of weeks of wins in the play-offs.


you were talking about players
we responded by telling about players
you switched and said "its about the TEAM right" and talked about state championships
so we responded by telling about wt teams/championships
i guess you're right, ive lived here all my life, you for 5 years, idk about mojo, but we have no idea and you have all the answers.
and i never questioned your education, age, sexuality, or anything else you might wanna throw in there, so take a breath. your the one with your panties in a wad, yelling and getting emotional. all we ever did was respond to "is east texas better than west texas?" that favpack started this whole thread about.
you have your opinion, we have ours. we probably wont change your mind, but you wont change ours either. and thats that.

[jp744]

You were the one that brought up players JACK***. Check the posts. The whole numbers vs caliber BS and your athletes per capita crap! Which is even more stupid now that I have gone back and read it again. It really shows your ignorance toward HS Football. Thank you for the compliment though. I don't think I have ever been told that I have all the answers before. I don't have all the answers. Just the facts. You Stained Front Teeth Freaks are still living in the 90's. A team from West Texas which I would consider anything West of US 281 and not IH35 has not won since 2000 Midland Lee even with two divisions in 5A as I have stated before. That takes care of the team thing ok. Now How many players will sign D1 schoolarship are from west texas. ok that takes care of the players. If you were to call yourself the Little SWC of the 90's that makes more sense because East Texas is the Big 12 of the 2k's. Teams, Players, and Coaches East Texas is Better.

[mojotrain]

You were the one that brought up players JACK***. Check the posts. The whole numbers vs caliber BS and your athletes per capita crap! Which is even more stupid now that I have gone back and read it again. It really shows your ignorance toward HS Football. Thank you for the compliment though. I don't think I have ever been told that I have all the answers before. I don't have all the answers. Just the facts. You Stained Front Teeth Freaks are still living in the 90's. A team from West Texas which I would consider anything West of US 281 and not IH35 has not won since 2000 Midland Lee even with two divisions in 5A as I have stated before. That takes care of the team thing ok. Now How many players will sign D1 schoolarship are from west texas. ok that takes care of the players. If you were to call yourself the Little SWC of the 90's that makes more sense because East Texas is the Big 12 of the 2k's. Teams, Players, and Coaches East Texas is Better.

I would like for you to make it really simple for me. I don't know if your talking about the number of east Texas kids who get D-1 scholarships, any individual player in east Texas being a better athlete than a individual west Texas high high school football player.

I would also like to know where you draw the east west line? Do you consider SLC and ET to be east Texas?

If you need to narrow your best statement to the years since 2000 to qualify your boast then you are right concerning we have not won a state championship since that year. Concerning more high school athletes in east Texas than in west Texas, duhh, your correct again. If your saying that on a individual one high school football player from east Texas is better than a invidiual west Texas football player. Your wrong. Remember a lot of lard butted fat boys get to go to D-1 reguardless of poor high school performance in hopes that the coach can turn them into players.

I don't consider the El Paso Districts in any West Texas conversations as they have never been a contributor to any Football lore in this state. If you want to include them, thats ok.

If I give east Texas the credit you are seeking, Which I won't, as I consider both SLC and ET to be in north Texas. Then I ask you do you think this superior race is forever?

Short of winning state championships district 3-5A should need to answer to any one. Permian has been down since being a state finalist in 1995 and discounting a quarter finalist appearence in 1998. Since then we were extremely bad. Until this year. We were beaten by ET, SLC, Lubick Monty and Abilene. If you claim D-FW as yours then we beat Manfield Summit, one of your teams. It's a far cry from where we want to be and where we will be.

I don't know who you support other that east Texas. If you location is your team then I'll research and see what your team or your district is doing. Your first caustic post #18 referred to someteam as having stupid speed. Do you mean they are fast and stupid? Then later you went into comments about Stains on the teeth of west Texas folks. Do you mean that also?

[jp744]

I am tired of trying to explain this can we move on to the next subject please. Let’s talk about something that matters. I don't have a TEAM per say. I just like Texas High School football in general. Even West Texas. You said it best. I will have my opinion, you have yours. Move on. I am just proud that Texas is what it is as a whole. Trying to divide and say who is best is a great debate and will get to technical and you can never get to a conclusion because each part contributes its own distinguished trait. West Texas you think hard working blue collar players, which lay it on the line each and every night. May not have the athletes of east Texas but play harder because of family values and traditions. All of the state is good except RGV and El Paso. Have those areas ever produced a state championship? Seems like you never hear about them as teams. I know they have a couple of good players here and there. Anyway, I doubt very seriously that an $80,000 scholarship is just given to the biggest fattest lard ***. There is a reason those coaches give those away. The kid can play. They would not invest in a kid if they had to bet $80,000 if he will develop or not. Like I said West Texas will be back real soon. Your fans will not let you forget the traditions.

[mojotrain]

I am tired of trying to explain this can we move on to the next subject please. Let’s talk about something that matters. I don't have a TEAM per say. I just like Texas High School football in general. Even West Texas. You said it best. I will have my opinion, you have yours. Move on. I am just proud that Texas is what it is as a whole. Trying to divide and say who is best is a great debate and will get to technical and you can never get to a conclusion because each part contributes its own distinguished trait. West Texas you think hard working blue collar players, which lay it on the line each and every night. May not have the athletes of east Texas but play harder because of family values and traditions. All of the state is good except RGV and El Paso. Have those areas ever produced a state championship? Seems like you never hear about them as teams. I know they have a couple of good players here and there. Anyway, I doubt very seriously that an $80,000 scholarship is just given to the biggest fattest lard ***. There is a reason those coaches give those away. The kid can play. They would not invest in a kid if they had to bet $80,000 if he will develop or not. Like I said West Texas will be back real soon. Your fans will not let you forget the traditions.
There ya go. Texas is the common ground. You are 100 percent correct in every statement, in my opinion. We both boast of our regions and thats as it should be. Without it there would be no reason for chat sites.

[AE 8008]

I am tired of trying to explain this can we move on to the next subject please. Let’s talk about something that matters. I don't have a TEAM per say. I just like Texas High School football in general. Even West Texas. You said it best. I will have my opinion, you have yours. Move on. I am just proud that Texas is what it is as a whole. Trying to divide and say who is best is a great debate and will get to technical and you can never get to a conclusion because each part contributes its own distinguished trait. West Texas you think hard working blue collar players, which lay it on the line each and every night. May not have the athletes of east Texas but play harder because of family values and traditions. All of the state is good except RGV and El Paso. Have those areas ever produced a state championship? Seems like you never hear about them as teams. I know they have a couple of good players here and there. Anyway, I doubt very seriously that an $80,000 scholarship is just given to the biggest fattest lard ***. There is a reason those coaches give those away. The kid can play. They would not invest in a kid if they had to bet $80,000 if he will develop or not. Like I said West Texas will be back real soon. Your fans will not let you forget the traditions.



thank you. i have no doubts east texas has more athletes, and have no doubts that west texas's 5 star recruits are equal with east texas's 5 star recruits. east texas drives off great talent and speed, west texas off of determination and tradition. north and south texas have their own qualities which make them great. the whole state brings different things to the table, which makes it so great. im glad we've finally reached an agreement here, so this arguing back and forth needs to just stop, and ill admit i shouldnt have blown up like i did. i dont appreciate being called a jack***, but nonetheless we all should just move on. and i dont think threads saying "team X is better than team Y" or related topics should be posted, sorry favpack, its only asking to start an argument

[Favpack]

You're right people choose to live in West Texas. Those who don't like it move someplace else. My dad grew up in West Texas and always wanted to live in East Texas. I was deprived of being born in West Texas and grew up in East Texas more than anyplace else, but my heart was always on West Texas. In many ways, my family tree skips a generation. My Great Grandfather settled in West Texas in the late 1800's and I truly believe my Grandparents were much happier when they lived in Pampa before my Aunt pretty much twisted their arms to move to Hawkins. I don't think they really wanted to leave. I have a love for that part of the state that my 2 previous generations had that my dad never did. He's always wanted what he didn't have.

We might be related - any relatives in Sweetwater?

[Favpack]

thank you. i have no doubts east texas has more athletes, and have no doubts that west texas's 5 star recruits are equal with east texas's 5 star recruits. east texas drives off great talent and speed, west texas off of determination and tradition. north and south texas have their own qualities which make them great. the whole state brings different things to the table, which makes it so great. im glad we've finally reached an agreement here, so this arguing back and forth needs to just stop, and ill admit i shouldnt have blown up like i did. i dont appreciate being called a jack***, but nonetheless we all should just move on. and i dont think threads saying "team X is better than team Y" or related topics should be posted, sorry favpack, its only asking to start an argument

Hey, I understand - if you recall - the whole point of this thread was Lonny said he was bored of the topics on the forum - just messin' with everyone!

I was raised in West Texas (20+ years), lived in Dallas for almost 10 years, and in East Texas for almost 15 years - pretty equal talent all things considered - but I do believe East Texas has held a slight speed advantage over the past decade, and that speed increases as the classification decreases. Alto is probably the fastest Class A state champ in a while.

[AE 8008]

yea i got ya. i think one person says one thing, then another takes it personally, then fires back, and before you know it all goes downhill, but i know you would never intentionally try to start anything like that

[jp744]

I just want to talk some texas high school football. This is what I love to talk about. I can't talk to any educated people about this subject so I get on here to talk with you guys. That's why I am here and you are here.