Hoover, AL MTV on again. good lord!!

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

That Blowhard HC at Hoover ruined my night!! I am channel surfing and I come across the mighty wind blowing across my TV set. Can anyone tell me how they did this year? Did they win Alabama's State Championship? I surely hope not.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

No, they lost to Pratville, 35-21, in the State Final Game.

Hoover sucks! (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2006-12-09-ala-prattville-hoover_x.htm?csp=34)

[drgnbkr]

That Blowhard HC at Hoover ruined my night!! I am channel surfing and I come across the mighty wind blowing across my TV set. Can anyone tell me how they did this year? Did they win Alabama's State Championship? I surely hope not.

I think they lost twice....No title this year..

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

No, they lost to Pratville, 35-21, in the State Final Game.

Hoover sucks! (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/football/2006-12-09-ala-prattville-hoover_x.htm?csp=34)


Good!! Maybe he will go away now.

I'm not sure who is the bigger A** the former Allen Coach Graham who is snake oil salesman and the HC at Tulsa or that blow hard.

Someone should do a poll on who is the bigger blowhard of the two.:D

[t-long20]

I think they lost twice....No title this year..

i get a headache from watching there head coach on mtv or maybe thats just from the other shows mtv provides :D

[Texasfrog]

Hoover lost to Prattville in the Alabama State Final and they lost to John Curtis, La (Louisiana State Champs).

Hoover's coach (Prospt) is one of the biggest blowhard "ego-maniac" coaches in America. He's Ego is so far out in "la-la land."

I guess they got a 2nd season on MTV. Hey, I hate MTV anyway but you cant blame them from a business standpoint. They (MTV) know that got an "A-crack" to exploit that totally makes a "jack-a" out of himself on national tv so it makes for great TV drama from an MTV perspective.

[KT2000]

Spell check people....

Whoover

[katyguy09]

When they man up and play a Texas team. And win ill give them their respect. but every1 knows were at a completly different level then alabama. So till then they havent acomplished anything.(in my book witch dont count for much)

[rams55]

whats really funny is that they have afacebook group talking about how good alabama football is compared to TEXAS football and there reasoning is only limited to the fact that they have 6a football which they believe is "better" than how highest classification of 5a. but little do they realize that TEXAS has 2 5a, and 4a classifications.

what a bunch of dumb alabama hicks

my schoolmates in IOWA think whoover is a really good football team too and i laughed at all of them and i said " do you know how bad of a woopin SLC, CEDAR HILL, ET, COLLEYVILLE, CELINA, TEXARKANA,NORTHSHORE, KATY, CY-everything AND PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE STATE would **** up on that school.

hell my sorry college team laughed at me when i said my highschool team could put 40+ on them but trust me anything in 5-5a could have

but back to the point I HATE WHOOVER

[TrojanHorse03]

I hate Whoover too, they're one of the most terribly overrated programs year and year out. I just wonder what is it that they do to keep getting ranked in those national polls even after they lose, do they just not watch Texas football, Whoover sucks.

[SLC DRAGON]

coach dodge turned down MTV when he was approached roe the show. this bama team is a joke and might not make the playoffs in texas if they were in a decent distric. i hate MTV and if people just stoped watching tha crap they might take it off the air.

[Texasfrog]

whats really funny is that they have afacebook group talking about how good alabama football is compared to TEXAS football and there reasoning is only limited to the fact that they have 6a football which they believe is "better" than how highest classification of 5a. but little do they realize that TEXAS has 2 5a, and 4a classifications.

what a bunch of dumb alabama hicks

my schoolmates in IOWA think whoover is a really good football team too and i laughed at all of them and i said " do you know how bad of a woopin SLC, CEDAR HILL, ET, COLLEYVILLE, CELINA, TEXARKANA,NORTHSHORE, KATY, CY-everything AND PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE STATE would **** up on that school.

hell my sorry college team laughed at me when i said my highschool team could put 40+ on them but trust me anything in 5-5a could have

but back to the point I HATE WHOOVER


You would be 100% correct about the Alabama 6A and Texas 5A. I have a buddy that coaches in Alabama and he even told me that about 6 years ago when we were talking about each States football and catagories.

He told me, " Well, in Alabama we have 6A football and in Texas you only have 5A so we (alabama) have a higher class so we must be better.":rolleyes:

Now, that was right out of the mouth of a HS asst. Coach in Alabama who is a friend of mine.

I told him, ya. But, most of your Alabama 6A's are the size (enrollment) of Texas 3A and even average Texas 4A size schools. That Texas 5A's start at about 2,000 and go up into the 5,000 for some schools and that the average Texas 5A school is almost 3,000 students.

In Alabama there is only about 5 schools in the whole State that have enrollment numbers that would make the Texas 5A's.

They talk about how Hoover is so great and that they have like 300 kids enrolled in their High school program.:rolleyes: I say in Texas there is many schools that have 300 kids in their HS program (9th-12th grade).

It's really comparing Apples to Oranges and they (Alabama) just dont get it and think the number 6A proves everything.:eek:

[KattTx]

"Officials with the Alabama High School Athletic Association estimated the attendance at more than 25,000, making it the largest crowd to see a title game since the finals moved to Legion Field and switched to the Super 6 format a decade ago"

WOW - 25,000 whole thousand people?? Does that include the bands? :D Hell, we have that on our cross-town rivalry game!

[Texasfrog]

"Officials with the Alabama High School Athletic Association estimated the attendance at more than 25,000, making it the largest crowd to see a title game since the finals moved to Legion Field and switched to the Super 6 format a decade ago"

WOW - 25,000 whole thousand people?? Does that include the bands? :D Hell, we have that on our cross-town rivalry game!

That's another thing that my buddy (Coach in Alabama) is in total denial about. He came to Texas for the 5A State Title game in 2000 (Midland Lee vs Austin Westlake) and we drove to Austin and there was about 35,000 people there at that game. Just about the only open seats in Royal-Memorial Stadium that day was the North Endzone and the upper sections but the main sections on both sides were pretty packed. Like I said, about 35,000 people there in the stands for that game. I could tell my buddy was a little overwelmed and impressed and I would say to him, "Wow, pretty nice crowd today huh?" He would say, "Ya, we get these kind of crowds in Alabama also."

So, we went to the Alabama State Title game (Hoover vs Daphne) and there was like 15,000 people there total. I swear he looked over at me and said, "Ya, this is about the same size crowd as the Texas Title game." I looked at him and said, "Dude, come on there was easily 20,000 more fans at the Texas game and he just was in total denial about it.":rolleyes:

I like my buddy and he is a good guy (military buddy of mine) that I've known for years that is now a HS coach in Alabama. But, he is in total denial phase when it comes to many of the differences in Texas and Alabama football.

He'll also tell me that each season there is about 25 teams in Alabama that are just as good as Hoover (in Alabama). I tell him, "no there isnt." There might be about 4 or 5 schools that are just as good as Hoover each year in Alabama but not 25 and he just gets all "Fired up" at that.

[Mr Evangel]

Hello Texas Frog,
My name is Coach Hortman from Evangel over in Shreveport, I agree with you on the differences between Hoover and the rest of Texas. We played Hoover back in 03 to about 15 thousand fans, we lost by a td in the fading moments. Got a favor to ask, could you get your buddy to get you a copy of the State Title Game in which Hoover lost? Don't they show their title games on TV like La and Texas does? I collect state championships games, I have all of Louisiana's and two of Texas's from thatis past year. I have four on the way from a friend in Illnois. My email if you can do me the favor is coachhortman@bellsouth.net Thanks in advance

[Texasfrog]

Hello Texas Frog,
My name is Coach Hortman from Evangel over in Shreveport, I agree with you on the differences between Hoover and the rest of Texas. We played Hoover back in 03 to about 15 thousand fans, we lost by a td in the fading moments. Got a favor to ask, could you get your buddy to get you a copy of the State Title Game in which Hoover lost? Don't they show their title games on TV like La and Texas does? I collect state championships games, I have all of Louisiana's and two of Texas's from thatis past year. I have four on the way from a friend in Illnois. My email if you can do me the favor is coachhortman@bellsouth.net Thanks in advance


Hey Coach, I have a copy of it personally. I've got most of the Alabama State Title games and I'm getting this years Hoover vs Pratville game soon. That game was Hoover vs Daphne back when Hoover had WR-Chad Jackson (Univ-Fl and NFL 2nd rounder). Hoover just fail apart with like 6 turnovers in that game that killed them.

PS. I also got a copy of the ECA vs Hoover game that was played at the Hoover MET. My buddy was at the game and called me at halftime and told me that the game wasnt even close and that Hoover was killing ECA and it wasnt even a game. Then I see the final score and it was like 28-21.

I also get a copy (DVD) of the game and see that Hoover got (2 totally gift calls) with those pass interference calls that kept Hoover drives alive. I'll say that both of those P.I. calls were total "Homer calls" because they werent P.I.

But, I have copies of those games (DVD). Just that it's going to take me sometime because I'm in the military and I'm due to punch-out overseas soon and I'm not near my "collection of games" right now.

[AHS Mustangs]

Well, I didn't want to admit it, but I DID watch the crap show last night. The only reason I watched, is because it was the John Curtis game in which they lost. It was great. The coach actually took "some" blame. Not too much, but he did. They didn't want to go to school the following Monday, because they didn't want to have to face the other students. I felt for them, because I have been there, done that. But, they have to realize that life is not always ups, and there are some downs they have to face, and this was one of them.

[farmerfan]

Guys I hate to say it but we have already gone through this last spring. The fact that some of yall are still caught up on Hoover just makes you look not so good in that it makes you look obsessed. We alright know they cant compete with our elite here so what's it really matter if they are on MTV or not? They sure have gotten more exposure on this board than any other team I can think of not located in Texas.

[rams55]

ok this thread is done but in conclusion

i challange those whoover idiots to come to texas and play some real football. and if that coach thinks that they can bring a crowd wecan play it at texas stadium

so if those big time 6a players really think they are better then come on down and prove it. im sure any one in 5-5a would love to ruin their parade

[DRUMLINEDAD]

maybe the hoover boys should play our ( Texas ) 3a or 4a schools first to see how they do, then we could see if they could run with any of the BIG DOGS in 5A.

Most likely not.

[drgnbkr]

maybe the hoover boys should play our ( Texas ) 3a or 4a schools first to see how they do, then we could see if they could run with any of the BIG DOGS in 5A.

Most likely not.

Whoover...

[Texasfrog]

I'll say this, if Hoover played in Texas they would be a very competive team on the 5A level. I think most years in recent memory they would be in the (Texas #8-#15) range on the 5A level.

They wouldnt be a pushover by any means by anyone in Texas and if some of the top Texas teams had a couple of key turnovers in the game they COULD lose to Hoover.

Hoover wouldnt be a Texas powerhouse like they are in Alabama. If I had to compare them to a Texas program of recent years it would probably be a team like Smithson Valley.

[HUM398]

I'll say this, if Hoover played in Texas they would be a very competive team on the 5A level. I think most years in recent memory they would be in the (Texas #8-#15) range on the 5A level.

They wouldnt be a pushover by any means by anyone in Texas and if some of the top Texas teams had a couple of key turnovers in the game they COULD lose to Hoover.

Hoover wouldnt be a Texas powerhouse like they are in Alabama. If I had to compare them to a Texas program of recent years it would probably be a team like Smithson Valley.

I'm going to disagree slightly...i think they are more like a A&M Con. over the last 3 years.... Whoovers got good talent, but they lack the depth that most Texas teams have.... Def wouldn't go Undefeated in a lot of our districts.
and def couldn't win state... Going through the playoffs in Texas and staying afloat is like trying to keep the titanic from sinking after it already hit the Iceberg.

Alabama football is 5th overall in the nation in my opinion... Texas, Cali, Florida, and La. have better programs... I would even put NJ and Virgina some years.

[Texasfrog]

I'm going to disagree slightly...i think they are more like a A&M Con. over the last 3 years.... Whoovers got good talent, but they lack the depth that most Texas teams have.... Def wouldn't go Undefeated in a lot of our districts.
and def couldn't win state... Going through the playoffs in Texas and staying afloat is like trying to keep the titanic from sinking after it already hit the Iceberg.

Alabama football is 5th overall in the nation in my opinion... Texas, Cali, Florida, and La. have better programs... I would even put NJ and Virgina some years.

Well, let me put it to you like this. I agree that I dont think Hoover would be a Texas powerhouse. But, I do think they would be a very salty team that wouldnt be pushed around by anyone.

They are always one of of the Top #3 teams in Alabama and most years the #1 team in Alabama. Overall that tells me they're pretty good. As much as I hate their coach (Coach Propst) I have to admit they have some very good coaching and staff. They have some of the best facilities a HS team can have.

They have the athletes and they also have some very good depth. The HS program has right at 300 kids in it and the Varsity team has a 100 man roster. They average about 5 (D-1A) athletes every year. So, they have players, talent , depth and coaching (even those he is a jerk).

I dont think they are on the same level of a SLC, Katy, ET and a few other Texas programs. But, I dont think Hoover is that far off either. I do think they would be in the Texas (8th - 12th) range most years but they wouldnt be pushed around by anyone and on any given Friday if they were on their "A Game" and a team like SLC, Katy was on their "B game" it would be a tough game.

Hoover really gave John Curtis, La a tough game (14-14 halftime) and John Curtis, La would of been a top level Texas team (#1-#4) this year without a doubt.

I think this years Hoover team was better than the Cy Falls team I saw play Cedar Hill. In fact I think Hoover would of beaten Cy Falls by at least 20 pts because Cy Falls really didnt play defense even with some pretty salty defensive players on their team.

PS. The Woodlands is another team that I could compare to Hoover. I think they are pretty even overall.

[SLC DRAGON]

make up your mind would they or wouldn't they be a power house???

the answer is NO.

[Texasfrog]

make up your mind would they or wouldn't they be a power house???

the answer is NO.

The bigger point is there is many blowhards on here that think anyone in Texas with a 4A or 5A in front of their football team would beat Hoover, Al.

Trust me, I dont like Alabama HS football and I really "REALLY" dont like Hoover's coach. Alabama HS football compared to Texas HS football is a 4 compared to a Texas 10. But... Hoover isnt that bad of a team and without a doubt they would be a top notch Texas 4A (right with the best of them) and they would be a very salty competitive Texas 5A that wouldnt be pushed around by some of the best from Texas.

Hoover has the athletes, depth and coaching staff and "PROGRAM" in place to be a salty Texas team.

Do they play against the best competition in Alabama ? "NOPE, not even close." Is Hoover a very good team ? "YES."

Trust, I'm Texas as much as anyone on this site but Hoover is a pretty good team that wouldnt be blown off any Texas field. They would be beat by some but not pushed around..;)

[HUM398]

The bigger point is there is many blowhards on here that think anyone in Texas with a 4A or 5A in front of their football team would beat Hoover, Al.

Trust me, I dont like Alabama HS football and I really "REALLY" dont like Hoover's coach. Alabama HS football compared to Texas HS football is a 4 compared to a Texas 10. But... Hoover isnt that bad of a team and without a doubt they would be a top notch Texas 4A (right with the best of them) and they would be a very salty competitive Texas 5A that wouldnt be pushed around by some of the best from Texas.

Hoover has the athletes, depth and coaching staff and "PROGRAM" in place to be a salty Texas team.

Do they play against the best competition in Alabama ? "NOPE, not even close." Is Hoover a very good team ? "YES."

Trust, I'm Texas as much as anyone on this site but Hoover is a pretty good team that wouldn't be blown off any Texas field. They would be beat by some but not pushed around..;)

I would like to see Gilmer hand Hoover their a$$ on a platter.

[North Texas Football]

IMO, I feel like Hoover would be similar to Allen. They have a good mix of athletes, come from a nice area, have outstanding facilities, are a 1 school town, and a lot of support behind their program. In Texas 5A football, Hoover would be a 2-5 round playoff team consistently, and would do well in most districts around the state, kind of like Allen.

Year in and year out, Hoover would contend for the district championship, and make deep playoff runs. I don't think they would win it here, but they'd probably be in the top 5-12 programs around the state.

I am almost positive I recall reading where their Booster Club raises some ridiculous number annually, like $300,000 or something. Don't quote me on that, but I remember reading something like that in Sports Illustrated.

[Texasfrog]

IMO, I feel like Hoover would be similar to Allen. They have a good mix of athletes, come from a nice area, have outstanding facilities, are a 1 school town, and a lot of support behind their program. In Texas 5A football, Hoover would be a 2-5 round playoff team consistently, and would do well in most districts around the state, kind of like Allen.

Year in and year out, Hoover would contend for the district championship, and make deep playoff runs. I don't think they would win it here, but they'd probably be in the top 5-12 programs around the state.

I am almost positive I recall reading where their Booster Club raises some ridiculous number annually, like $300,000 or something. Don't quote me on that, but I remember reading something like that in Sports Illustrated.


I think teams like Allen, Woodlands and even Smithson Valley are good Texas teams to compare Hoover to. I think most years Hoover would also be in the (#5-#12) range in Texas and every now and then probably make a run into the State Title game where they would have a 50-50 shot of pulling it out.

They do have a large booster club that makes a lot of money for the program and they also get tons of tax revenue for Hoover High from the local Galleria Mall.

Also, they are a 2 High school town. (Hoover High & Spain Park).

[Texasfrog]

I would like to see Gilmer hand Hoover their a$$ on a platter.

Gilmer could move the ball on Hoover, but they would also have a problem slowing Hoover down.

But, I also think this past seasons Gilmer team could move the ball on most Texas 5A teams.

[HUM398]

Gilmer could move the ball on Hoover, but they would also have a problem slowing Hoover down.

But, I also think this past seasons Gilmer team could move the ball on most Texas 5A teams.

True dat homie, true dat.

[DRUMLINEDAD]

IMO someone in texas should play hoover to put this to bed for once and for all.


and we all know how that will turn out :D

[Texasfrog]

IMO someone in texas should play hoover to put this to bed for once and for all.


and we all know how that will turn out :D

Katy would be the perfect team.. Go talk to the coaches.;)

[stevefoxsc]

Guys I hate to say it but we have already gone through this last spring. The fact that some of yall are still caught up on Hoover just makes you look not so good in that it makes you look obsessed. We alright know they cant compete with our elite here so what's it really matter if they are on MTV or not? They sure have gotten more exposure on this board than any other team I can think of not located in Texas.

Wow i agree with you. When the first time 2 a days hit mtv this board posted lots of thread about them, and i thought it was some type of envy or something or some jealousy.

[Lp78]

Katy vs Whoover Ind. Bowl Shreveport La. :D

[Sec1]

Having seen several TX5A teams the past three years would have to say they match up well with any teams in country. We were particularly impressed with the highly polished 2005 SLC Dragon team. IOHO it was the best we've seen coast to coast for several years. '06 version looked like sandlot compared to '06, again in MHO. Regarding Hoover, is a relatively affluent community S of Birmingham, much like Southlake. As all know Hoover HS competes in AL6a which is made up of 64 schools with populations 700-1751+. Their main compliant is they have to go out of state for competition. Year to year they place players in Rivals top100, and supply players for both UA and Auburn, for whatever that's worth. Believe they could play with TX5A top ten and some years top five. Even when led by the worldclass blowhard Propst. BTW interesting that CA topdog cancelled game with Southlake for '07. SEC has finally discovered TX as well they should.

[Sec1]

Having seen several TX5A teams the past three years would have to say they match up well with any teams in country. We were particularly impressed with the highly polished 2005 SLC Dragon team. IOHO it was the best we've seen coast to coast for several years. '06 version looked like sandlot compared to '06, again in MHO. Regarding Hoover, is a relatively affluent community S of Birmingham, much like Southlake. As all know Hoover HS competes in AL6a which is made up of 64 schools with populations 700-1751+. Their main compliant is they have to go out of state for competition. Year to year they place players in Rivals top100, and supply players for both UA and Auburn, for whatever that's worth. Believe they could play with TX5A top ten and some years top five. Even when led by the worldclass blowhard Propst. BTW interesting that CA topdog cancelled game with Southlake for '07. SEC has finally discovered TX as well they should.

[drgnbkr]

Having seen several TX5A teams the past three years would have to say they match up well with any teams in country. We were particularly impressed with the highly polished 2005 SLC Dragon team. IOHO it was the best we've seen coast to coast for several years. '06 version looked like sandlot compared to '06, again in MHO. Regarding Hoover, is a relatively affluent community S of Birmingham, much like Southlake. As all know Hoover HS competes in AL6a which is made up of 64 schools with populations 700-1751+. Their main compliant is they have to go out of state for competition. Year to year they place players in Rivals top100, and supply players for both UA and Auburn, for whatever that's worth. Believe they could play with TX5A top ten and some years top five. Even when led by the worldclass blowhard Propst. BTW interesting that CA topdog cancelled game with Southlake for '07. SEC has finally discovered TX as well they should.


If the 06 Dragons were "sandlot" compared to 05, in your opinion, what does that make the rest of Texas 5-A? The difference between other states top teams and Texas' is the unity and teamwork the Texas kids have...Carroll in particular, and a handful of the top teams begin running the varsity offense in pee-wee football...

[Sec1]

Having the opportunity to see leagues around country believe TX5A is consistently in top three. Regarding comment regarding Dragon '05 vs '06 teams. From games I attended or reviewed IMHO '05 version was inordinately and comparatively well-oiled/precise. However, there is little doubt the '06 version got the job done. Carroll coaching and player quality continues to be most impressive.

[drgnbkr]

Having the opportunity to see leagues around country believe TX5A is consistently in top three. Regarding comment regarding Dragon '05 vs '06 teams. From games I attended or reviewed IMHO '05 version was inordinately and comparatively well-oiled/precise. However, there is little doubt the '06 version got the job done. Carroll coaching and player quality continues to be most impressive.

06 did'nt click as well on the timing routes, but Riley's scrambling definately gave it a more helter skelter feel..the 06 team was led by the defense.

[Sec1]

Looking forward to seeing '07 version and visiting with fine TX folks! From what I'm told team will be even better. Think you folks placed 12-13 in D1 in '05...perhaps we can steal a few more from DFW area. :)

[Texasfrog]

Having seen several TX5A teams the past three years would have to say they match up well with any teams in country. We were particularly impressed with the highly polished 2005 SLC Dragon team. IOHO it was the best we've seen coast to coast for several years. '06 version looked like sandlot compared to '06, again in MHO. Regarding Hoover, is a relatively affluent community S of Birmingham, much like Southlake. As all know Hoover HS competes in AL6a which is made up of 64 schools with populations 700-1751+. Their main compliant is they have to go out of state for competition. Year to year they place players in Rivals top100, and supply players for both UA and Auburn, for whatever that's worth. Believe they could play with TX5A top ten and some years top five. Even when led by the worldclass blowhard Propst. BTW interesting that CA topdog cancelled game with Southlake for '07. SEC has finally discovered TX as well they should.

SEC discovered Texas along time ago. Every year there is on average about 20 kids from the State of Texas that sign with SEC teams. Not bad considering that we (Texas) dont have a team in the SEC. That's pretty much a whole team worth of "ships."

Now, most of the time is a lean toward LSU and Arkansas since those States border Texas. But, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Tennessee and Vandy have had there share of Texas kids on their teams over the years.

But, Arkansas and LSU will be the schools that always seem to snag 4 to 5 Texas kids each every year.

Two of the greatest players in Georgia history are Texas kids ( Terry Hoage & Rodney Hampton).

[drgnbkr]

Looking forward to seeing '07 version and visiting with fine TX folks! From what I'm told team will be even better. Think you folks placed 12-13 in D1 in '05...perhaps we can steal a few more from DFW area. :)

07 offense will be as good as we've had here..new D and new coach will give us some thrills...:D

[rams55]

Having seen several TX5A teams the past three years would have to say they match up well with any teams in country. We were particularly impressed with the highly polished 2005 SLC Dragon team. IOHO it was the best we've seen coast to coast for several years. '06 version looked like sandlot compared to '06, again in MHO. Regarding Hoover, is a relatively affluent community S of Birmingham, much like Southlake. As all know Hoover HS competes in AL6a which is made up of 64 schools with populations 700-1751+. Their main compliant is they have to go out of state for competition. Year to year they place players in Rivals top100, and supply players for both UA and Auburn, for whatever that's worth.I Believe they could play with TX5A top ten and some years top five. Even when led by the worldclass blowhard Propst. BTW interesting that CA topdog cancelled game with Southlake for '07. SEC has finally discovered TX as well they should.

LEARN TO TYPE YOU DUMB HICK

[yallerjacket]

LEARN TO TYPE YOU DUMB HICK

You shouldn't talk to Kettle like that, Pot.

[rams55]

as long as its CUTCO im fine by that