Colerain vs Lee aftermath

[owlfan 1]

Please permit me to pontificate...

Congrats to Colerain and Lee. You had the guts to schedule a game like this. Unfortunately, it was more than just a game to many of us, and that is probably not fair to the young men who were playing. In the discussion of the aftermath of this game, very few people seem to be interested in actually talking about the game - the plays that were or were not made, momentum shifts, opportunities seized and missed. Instead, we are acting like our pride was infringed upon; some of us act as if it was inconcievable that this outcome was even possible. That is really too bad. We are not doing honor to the boys who played this game with the way some of us are acting and what some of us are saying.

This was not (or at least should not have been) a game for the honor of the state of Texas, regardless of how much some of our friends and neighbors wanted it to be. Nor was this game about the honor of Ohio, no matter what the sponsors and orgainzers said. It was a HS football game played between the young men from a school in Ohio and the the young men from a school in Texas. They played well, and the better team won. In the long run, it means little more than that. That some of the grown men who post here have elevated the meaning of this game to place it should never have gone is unfortunate, and it does dishonor to those who played the game.

Texas High School football is played on the highest level in the country. Some may have erronously thought that Ohio football was not. We now all know that they were mistaken.

Congratulations to the Colerain Cardinals for winning, for taking the challenge, and for stepping up to it. And congrats to the Tyler Lee Red Raiders for going halfway across the country to take on a challenge, and for not shrinking from it. We could learn a lot from you.

[garlandowl08]

I think I'm tearing up...only a noble owl can say it that well.

[ktCarl]

All you guys that were beating your chests about how Lee was gonna smoke Colerain are now having crow pancakes this morning. Most everyone was speaking from the heart and not looking at reality. I spoke in favor of Lee and put up the favorable score prediction for morale and to support a Texas team.
But as I said in an earlier post there were too many unanswerable intangibles about this game.
1. None of us in Texas really knew how good Colerain was.
2. Most of we Texans (outside of Tyler) didn't know how good Tyler Lee is this year.
3. Tyler had to TRAVEL a long way for this game to Colerain's back yard.
4. I didn't know much about how many returning players were on both teams.
My question about this setup was....
1. If Colerain disputes SLC's mythical claim to being #1 in the country and also argue about the quality of Texas football versus Ohio football why didn't they come down here and play SLC?

Me thinks they played it safe and smart.

Anyway, congrats to Colerain on their victory and many thanks to Tyler Lee's program for taking on the challenge and not shrinking away from a good fight.
Ya'll got true Texas grit.

[Red Raiders]

I really want to see Colerain play us at our stadium, we would have killed them. 10 other texas team would have beat Ohio in Ohio. SLC would have killed Colerain big big time because I was watching it on T.V. comparing to Southlake Carroll.

[Uncle Freddie]

I really want to see Colerain play us at our stadium, we would have killed them. 10 other texas team would have beat Ohio in Ohio. SLC would have killed Colerain big big time because I was watching it on T.V. comparing to Southlake Carroll.

:rolleyes:

[Cardman]

“I watched (Tyler Lee) play on film and I knew they were a great football team. I went down and watched them in the spring and I knew they were a great football team. I’m just so proud of the way our team played. And I think there’s a lot of factors. I think if you ask high school football players to come across the country and sit in a hotel and all that and then try and play a football game, that’s a challenging thing. I think they had a natural disadvantage coming in. I wouldn’t want to try and go to Texas and do what they did."

This is a quote from Coach Coombs after the game. I think he showed a lot of respect for REL and pointed out how difficult it was for them to come to Ohio and play. Texas football is great and Ohio ain't too bad either.

[Texasfrog]

“I watched (Tyler Lee) play on film and I knew they were a great football team. I went down and watched them in the spring and I knew they were a great football team. I’m just so proud of the way our team played. And I think there’s a lot of factors. I think if you ask high school football players to come across the country and sit in a hotel and all that and then try and play a football game, that’s a challenging thing. I think they had a natural disadvantage coming in. I wouldn’t want to try and go to Texas and do what they did."

This is a quote from Coach Coombs after the game. I think he showed a lot of respect for REL and pointed out how difficult it was for them to come to Ohio and play. Texas football is great and Ohio ain't too bad either.

Finally there is someone from Cinncy that has some active living brain cells and knows something about the dynamics of High school football and everything that goes into a football game.

I think REL played very well for the daunting task they faced (travel, hostile venue and ect). Its hard to keep alot of (15,16,17 year old) kids focused when you have alot of distractions in front of them.

They played well. They had a sloppy 1st quarter ( probably travel & mental state) had something to do with it. But, for most of the rest of the game (2nd-4th QT) it was really a tight "push".

Colerain has a very good team and I expect they'll end up a Top #5 Ohio team and making a deep run into the Ohio playoffs.

[raidercheerdad]

I sat up until 3 watching the rebroadcast. Colerain was definitely big, fast, and well coached. Lee made some very uncharicteristic mistakes for an Owens coached team. Kicking game cost us a chance at this game. Mental mistakes and attempted arm tackling were the detriments that stood out most in my mind. In a very Owens typical fashion, Lee never did roll over. They made Colerain earn everything they got and most of it came on the big plays(runs over 20 yds). I think this team learned a lot from this experience and I could tell by the looks on our kids faces after the game, the loss was something they don't want to duplicate.

Unfortunately, we may well be playing the one team in texas, that from a size and speed standpoint, might be a good match for the Colerain bunch. Good luck to all this week and GL to REL against Euless Trinity!

[RedRage00]

I didn't think Lee would win after they barely beat Waco by 14

CC Calallen just SPANKED Waco 35-14! And they are 4A!

RR

[Edge41]

Before the game people in Texas were saying that they travel a long way to road games all the time because texas is so big. Now they want to cry and moan about the travel. Do you realize it took Colerain JUST AS LONG to travel to Columbus as it did REL? And which is more comfy, a jet aircraft or a bus? Give me a friggin break.
Also before the game EVERYONE on the texas side was talking up REL, now they are barely a top 20 team in texas and Colerain, who has already lost to another OHIO team, is some superpower in Ohio, but an also ran compared to texas. You cowpokes cant have it both ways. Colerain is NOT the best team in Ohio at this point in the season. Where they will be at the end of the year is anyones guess.
Whether you like it or not, texas lost to Ohio and Ohio now has bragging rights. Those bragging rights will be even more so when Young gets his a s s handed to him tonight.

[RockinL]

Before the game people in Texas were saying that they travel a long way to road games all the time because texas is so big. Now they want to cry and moan about the travel. Do you realize it took Colerain JUST AS LONG to travel to Columbus as it did REL? And which is more comfy, a jet aircraft or a bus? Give me a friggin break.
Also before the game EVERYONE on the texas side was talking up REL, now they are barely a top 20 team in texas and Colerain, who has already lost to another OHIO team, is some superpower in Ohio, but an also ran compared to texas. You cowpokes cant have it both ways. Colerain is NOT the best team in Ohio at this point in the season. Where they will be at the end of the year is anyones guess.
Whether you like it or not, texas lost to Ohio and Ohio now has bragging rights. Those bragging rights will be even more so when Young gets his a s s handed to him tonight.
EVERYONE wasnt talking up Lee. Get your lies straight before you post.
Be proud of the kids that play the game....unlike yourself.

[Edge41]

EVERYONE wasnt talking up Lee. Get your lies straight before you post.
Be proud of the kids that play the game....unlike yourself.

Is that the best you can do? ok how bout this. EVERY ONE of the posts from texas fans that I saw were talking them up. I didnt see a single post from a texas fan that gave any credit to Colerain or Ohio football in general. Now that you got your butts beat, your representitive is "not among the best" in texas. Bunk! As hard as it is to publicly admit it, you KNOW Ohio football is superior to texas football. Cant wait for all of the excuses after tonights game.

[Lee05]

preston's hill ego prevents him from hustling like the rest of his teammates, maybe he should take lessons from josh on how to complete an 8 yard pass to an open receiver

and to this guy ^ above me saying Ohio "PWNZ" Texas now because they beat a team that isn't even ranked in the top 10, had no fans/drill team, stayed in a hotel and played in front of screaming ohio fans. good job, games can go either way. don't pretend to know anything about texas football, please it's annoying

who wants to see colerain cover slc's spread? that'd be fun to see

[bullrock]

I don't think everyone was talkin' Lee up Edge. I notice you didn't have the guts to post until after the game was over. Had Lee won, I doubt you would have posted at all. I wouldn't bet too hard on Texas gettin' beat tonight but it won't be the end of the world if they do. Is there a definition for cowpoke? If there is, do you know what it is? I know there is one for Yankee and it appears you are living up to the definition. Have a good day. I hope the Horns stomp the hell outta the nuts tonight! Gigem', whoop whoop.

[RockinL]

Is that the best you can do? ok how bout this. EVERY ONE of the posts from texas fans that I saw were talking them up. I didnt see a single post from a texas fan that gave any credit to Colerain or Ohio football in general. Now that you got your butts beat, your representitive is "not among the best" in texas. Bunk! As hard as it is to publicly admit it, you KNOW Ohio football is superior to texas football. Cant wait for all of the excuses after tonights game.

I made many post stating that Colerain looked like a very strong team. Dont come on here with youre BS. Where were youre post before the game?

BTW...I didnt get MY "butt beat". I dont live in Tyler, nor am I ignorant enough to have said that Lee was the best we had to play Colerain.
Get a grip little boy. Better yet...go have some of those "Buck Nuts".

[GTown02]

I dont know about most people, but I get sick after traveling in planes... not making any excuses but traveling around 100 miles in a bus/car is nothing compared to traveling 1000 miles in a plane.......

Good post Owlfan as usual, and congrats to Colerain on a good win. :D

[Edge41]

I don't think everyone was talkin' Lee up Edge. I notice you didn't have the guts to post until after the game was over. Had Lee won, I doubt you would have posted at all. I wouldn't bet too hard on Texas gettin' beat tonight but it won't be the end of the world if they do. Is there a definition for cowpoke? If there is, do you know what it is? I know there is one for Yankee and it appears you are living up to the definition. Have a good day. I hope the Horns stomp the hell outta the nuts tonight! Gigem', whoop whoop.
Before the game, all my posts were on the Ohio board. Texas fans came on to the Ohio board running their collective mouths. Since they have suddenly gotten VERY quite on the Ohio board, I thought I would come on over here. Had REL won, I would have congratulated them on a job well done. I would NOT have tried my hardest to come up with every lame a$$ excuse under the sun why Colerain lost. I would have come to the conclusion that the best team won.

[Colgar]

Two good football teams meeting in a classic. That's what I saw.

This was not a referendum of football in either state. That is an impossible argument to make. Which state plays better football? Only God knows should he even care that much with other things being of higher priority.

Colerain is big and fast. They were able to contain Jason Williams, who is the best back they have met to date. They forced Lee to the air which is not their strong suit and blitzed and gambled in the secondary. To Lee's credit they took advantage.

Colerain had the home field advantage, although unlike Lee who at least had a walkthrough on Thursday none of the Cardinals had ever seen the place before 7:30 Friday when the bus pulled up.

The thing that struck me was that Lee didn't tackle very well on Friday. Part of it was because they were a step behind all night.

When the Red Raiders failed to take advantage of the fumble in the second half, it became apparent that Colerain had the upper hand and just wanted to run the clock.

Again, this does not mean that Ohio football is superior to Texas football and I know Ohio football is not inferior to Texas football or Florida football or California football or any other state that claims to be the best.

I have always believed that it was foolish for the USA to even attempt to rank high school football teams accross the nation. That top 25 ranking as well as all the state AP polls are less than meaningless.

Good luck Red Raiders. Colerain fans and players are pulling for you the rest of the season. Our playoff aspirations are influenced by your future performance but more than that I hope you had a positive experience in the Buckeye State.

[VB Pack Fan]

Colgar, very well put, I could have not said it any better. I myself have never understood how you can rank high school teams nationally, can,t be done.There my be some school in Vermount,RI, Montana, or anywhere that could kick butts all day.I never put any stock in USA TODAY rankings.

[mad_fan]

aftermath, well let's see, aftermath was history, at least for me.

[dragonbuck]

Well, I have been silent long enough.

I am sitting here in Southlake, Texas with my OSU Buckeye hat on waiting for a long anticipated matchup between two super college football programs. My heart is with the Bucks since I grew up a huge OSU fan and graduated from OSU. I am a Buckeye, born and bred.

I played HS football in Ohio at one of the football hotbeds - Warren, Ohio - home of many state championships and numerous NFL players. I grew up seeing/playing all of the great Ohio teams - Moeler, Canton McKinley, St Ed's, St X, etc.

As much as I hate to say it, Ohio HS football is a distant 2nd to Texas football. Great teams in Ohio are very solid and would match up pretty well with top TX teams. However, I would say that on average, only 2-3 of Ohio's top 10 would make it into Texas' top 10. It's a huge state with tons of talent, programs and history.

Tyler Lee lost 2 or 3 games last year but made it through the playoffs. They were a good team that was one of the top 5 in Texas last year. They lost many of those players, and they should finish this regular season at 7-3. They will lose next week to Euless Trinity. Year in and year out, they are a solid top 25 team. Looks like Colerain lost some talent too from a great squad last year. A better challenge for Ohio's best (which is not be Colerain this year) would be last year's Texas Champ - Soutlake Carroll. Katy, Lufkin, Longview, or Smithson Valley all have better squads this year than Tyler Lee.

Though I bleed scarlet and gray and am a huge Ohio HS football fan, my unbiased opinion is that Texas football top to bottom is superior to that in Ohio. It's a numbers game, and TX is a huge state. we all know what can happen on any given weekend however.

As my name suggests, Go Dragons/Go Bucks!

[pack0808]

Let's not forget that Tyler Lee team lost 3 games last year. They lost to my alma mater 44-33. Div 2 had the best 3 teams last year and it was pretty obvious. They also lost the vast majority of their defense. I honestly think Longview will kill them this year because of it. Longview beat Lee in a close one last year. If this team would have beat our real #1 team SLC or a Lufkin or a Longview or a Katy or even a Spring Westfield this year i would be much more impressed. I know Lee beat Westfield last year but Westfield has almost their whole team back and Lee lost the majority of their team. I would still like Tyler Lee's chances if they played at Tyler. These kids are not used to traveling like that. Does Colerain come to Tyler next year. Talk to me if Colerain wins that game. Do not get me wrong Tyler Lee is one of the best Texas has to offer but i honestly do not think they are a top 10 texas team this year. This site agrees.

[FootballJunkie]

To put it in perspective it just means they actually play good football in other states besides Texas. Don't get me wrong I think Texas is one of the top if not the top place for high school but there are other places that play good high school football.

[pack0808]

To put it in perspective it just means they actually play good football in other states besides Texas. Don't get me wrong I think Texas is one of the top if not the top place for high school but there are other places that play good high school football.


I completely agree. I knew going in Ohio plays great hs football. Ohio St. is usually 90 percent Ohio.

[Colerain-Cards]

Finally there is someone from Cinncy that has some active living brain cells and knows something about the dynamics of High school football and everything that goes into a football game.

I think REL played very well for the daunting task they faced (travel, hostile venue and ect). Its hard to keep alot of (15,16,17 year old) kids focused when you have alot of distractions in front of them.

They played well. They had a sloppy 1st quarter ( probably travel & mental state) had something to do with it. But, for most of the rest of the game (2nd-4th QT) it was really a tight "push".

Colerain has a very good team and I expect they'll end up a Top #5 Ohio team and making a deep run into the Ohio playoffs.

Yeah , but that didnt stop you for talkn alot of trash. Did it? What was that running backs name for Lee? LOL Hey , did you know that tiny little KY highlands with 6 or 7 players going both ways scored more than your unstopable lee team. Oh how sweet it is!!!!! :D

[RidgePride]

Yeah , but that didnt stop you for talkn alot of trash. Did it? What was that running backs name for Lee? LOL Hey , did you know that tiny little KY highlands with 6 or 7 players going both ways scored more than your unstopable lee team. Oh how sweet it is!!!!! :D
All it says is that every state has its good football teams.
we need to wait till the end of the year to see what kind of matchup it was.
I will completely give Ohio credit if Lee turns out to be one of Texas Best.
I really dont think Lee will be though. With the 21-7 win over an average Waco Team.

Texas is always very deep in football talent. That does not mean that we have the best team in the nation every year though.

[Colerain-Cards]

All it says is that every state has its good football teams.
we need to wait till the end of the year to see what kind of matchup it was.
I will completely give Ohio credit if Lee turns out to be one of Texas Best.
I really dont think Lee will be though. With the 21-7 win over an average Waco Team.

Texas is always very deep in football talent. That does not mean that we have the best team in the nation every year though.

So which is it? 1st you post this: I bet Colerain's defense is no better than Waco's. Plus Colerain has no offense.

Tyler Lee wins

28 - 13

By the way, I bet those from Florida would have thought Chaminade was unstoppable after the 49-0 whoopin they gave that other Florida school.

Then now, Well Lee may not be that good. LOL Give me a break partner. Which is it?

[LPFAN]

So which is it? 1st you post this: I bet Colerain's defense is no better than Waco's. Plus Colerain has no offense.

Tyler Lee wins

28 - 13

By the way, I bet those from Florida would have thought Chaminade was unstoppable after the 49-0 whoopin they gave that other Florida school.

Then now, Well Lee may not be that good. LOL Give me a break partner. Which is it?
Congrats to Colerain! Good team no doubt. The game is over now so carry on!!!

[Colerain-Cards]

Congrats to Colerain! Good team no doubt. The game is over now so carry on!!!

Thank you and I will!

[pack0808]

Tyler Lee is a top 15 team in Texas this year without a doubt in my opinion. They are not one of the elites in Texas football this year!! When i am talking elite i am talking top 5. Watch what they do vs Longview and let me know how big that win was Colerain fans. If Lee beats Longview then i will say you are one of the greatest.

[myround0]

I can agree with everything stated on this site. Other states play football as well. But when you travel to another state, you have to play by the rules of that state. I listen to the Longview vs. West Monroe game last week and Longview should have won that game like 42 to whatever points the second and third team defense gave up. Unlike college the rules are the same in ever state, in high school the rules vary from state to state. I would've love for that game to have been played in Tyler Rose Stadium.

[SLCDad]

Please permit me to pontificate...

Congrats to Colerain and Lee. You had the guts to schedule a game like this. Unfortunately, it was more than just a game to many of us, and that is probably not fair to the young men who were playing. In the discussion of the aftermath of this game, very few people seem to be interested in actually talking about the game - the plays that were or were not made, momentum shifts, opportunities seized and missed. Instead, we are acting like our pride was infringed upon; some of us act as if it was inconcievable that this outcome was even possible. That is really too bad. We are not doing honor to the boys who played this game with the way some of us are acting and what some of us are saying.

This was not (or at least should not have been) a game for the honor of the state of Texas, regardless of how much some of our friends and neighbors wanted it to be. Nor was this game about the honor of Ohio, no matter what the sponsors and orgainzers said. It was a HS football game played between the young men from a school in Ohio and the the young men from a school in Texas. They played well, and the better team won. In the long run, it means little more than that. That some of the grown men who post here have elevated the meaning of this game to place it should never have gone is unfortunate, and it does dishonor to those who played the game.

Texas High School football is played on the highest level in the country. Some may have erronously thought that Ohio football was not. We now all know that they were mistaken.

Congratulations to the Colerain Cardinals for winning, for taking the challenge, and for stepping up to it. And congrats to the Tyler Lee Red Raiders for going halfway across the country to take on a challenge, and for not shrinking from it. We could learn a lot from you.I feel sorry for the foolish coaches from both schools who agreed to play this game. I know the UIL didn't endorse the game. I'm glad they didn't allow it to be televised in Texas. Priorities are very, very messed up when games like this are scheduled.

[relraiderfan]

I feel sorry for the foolish coaches from both schools who agreed to play this game. I know the UIL didn't endorse the game. I'm glad they didn't allow it to be televised in Texas. Priorities are very, very messed up when games like this are scheduled.

SLCDad, i think we already know how you fell since you have posted the same thing on about 500 different threads. Worry about your school and let coach Owens, Danny Long, and Tyler worry about ours. I see no problem in letting 15-17 year old kids get a once in a lifetime chance to play a football game in Ohio and be on ESPN. Both teams got to play quality opponents and are both going to be better for doing it. The kids maybe lost 1 day of school that they normally wouldnt have, but with I am sure there will be mandatory extra tutorial. Best of luck to the Dragons this season as they are very impressive but leave the comments about "foolish" coaches to your self.

[SLCDad]

SLCDad, i think we already know how you fell since you have posted the same thing on about 500 different threads. Worry about your school and let coach Owens, Danny Long, and Tyler worry about ours. I see no problem in letting 15-17 year old kids get a once in a lifetime chance to play a football game in Ohio and be on ESPN. Both teams got to play quality opponents and are both going to be better for doing it. The kids maybe lost 1 day of school that they normally wouldnt have, but with I am sure there will be mandatory extra tutorial. Best of luck to the Dragons this season as they are very impressive but leave the comments about "foolish" coaches to your self.Nope. Won't do it. I stand by my opinion about the game.

[gritty52]

I was pulling for yaw Tyler. That game is history now yaw better get ready for what I feel is a better team than them out of staters!!!!!! Trinity and the Haka are coming. See yaw Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[boto24]

Well, I have been silent long enough.

I am sitting here in Southlake, Texas with my OSU Buckeye hat on waiting for a long anticipated matchup between two super college football programs. My heart is with the Bucks since I grew up a huge OSU fan and graduated from OSU. I am a Buckeye, born and bred.

I played HS football in Ohio at one of the football hotbeds - Warren, Ohio - home of many state championships and numerous NFL players. I grew up seeing/playing all of the great Ohio teams - Moeler, Canton McKinley, St Ed's, St X, etc.

As much as I hate to say it, Ohio HS football is a distant 2nd to Texas football. Great teams in Ohio are very solid and would match up pretty well with top TX teams. However, I would say that on average, only 2-3 of Ohio's top 10 would make it into Texas' top 10. It's a huge state with tons of talent, programs and history.

Tyler Lee lost 2 or 3 games last year but made it through the playoffs. They were a good team that was one of the top 5 in Texas last year. They lost many of those players, and they should finish this regular season at 7-3. They will lose next week to Euless Trinity. Year in and year out, they are a solid top 25 team. Looks like Colerain lost some talent too from a great squad last year. A better challenge for Ohio's best (which is not be Colerain this year) would be last year's Texas Champ - Soutlake Carroll. Katy, Lufkin, Longview, or Smithson Valley all have better squads this year than Tyler Lee.

Though I bleed scarlet and gray and am a huge Ohio HS football fan, my unbiased opinion is that Texas football top to bottom is superior to that in Ohio. It's a numbers game, and TX is a huge state. we all know what can happen on any given weekend however.

As my name suggests, Go Dragons/Go Bucks!
Hey Dragonbuck, maybe you should post this on yappi.com. It's about time Ohio fans listened to a true objective statement from one of their own who has personally witnessed the Texas high school football experience that is often imitated but never duplicated.

[raidercheerdad]

Nope. Won't do it. I stand by my opinion about the game.
and that's why SLC carries the 56th strongest season schedule and REL carries the 1st. I appreciate the accomplishments of SLC and what they've done and have friends there, but the obnoxious, egotistical people like you make me not be able to wait for you to play some real competition and get whipped! (sorry to all the decent SLC fans out there, but this guy really grates on my nerves)

[dragonsdaddy]

how does playing an unknown like colerain effect toughness of schedules? and how can you know in advance how tough your schedule is going to be? i propose you hold this argument until the end of the season, or declare slc state champion based on preseason predictions. i'm not denying that tlee has a tough schedule. in fact, based on preseason rankings, having jt was a drain, but may in fact strengthen it somewhat.

and btw, you will get exactly the same playoff spot with the tlee scedule or the one dodge created to prepare for the real season. get off your high horse. if playing tlees schedule has been the key to your success, more power to you. we'll keep our trophies and let you keep travelling if you want to. i wish we could see how much money tlee made from this circus. i know we didn't make much from ours.

[stevefoxsc]

Before the game people in Texas were saying that they travel a long way to road games all the time because texas is so big. Now they want to cry and moan about the travel. Do you realize it took Colerain JUST AS LONG to travel to Columbus as it did REL? And which is more comfy, a jet aircraft or a bus? Give me a friggin break.
Also before the game EVERYONE on the texas side was talking up REL, now they are barely a top 20 team in texas and Colerain, who has already lost to another OHIO team, is some superpower in Ohio, but an also ran compared to texas. You cowpokes cant have it both ways. Colerain is NOT the best team in Ohio at this point in the season. Where they will be at the end of the year is anyones guess.
Whether you like it or not, texas lost to Ohio and Ohio now has bragging rights. Those bragging rights will be even more so when Young gets his a s s handed to him tonight.

So since UT beat osu does that give texas bragging rights back???

[Colgar]

I feel sorry for the foolish coaches from both schools who agreed to play this game. I know the UIL didn't endorse the game. I'm glad they didn't allow it to be televised in Texas. Priorities are very, very messed up when games like this are scheduled.

Ordinarily, I agree with you. I know that SLC was approached to play this game and turned it down. I will not be one to say they ducked a challenge for I believe they had good solid reasons to do so.

Having said that, players, competitive people, love challenging themselves. Whether it is earned or not, Texas football has a reputation for being among the tops in the country. I will gladly take Dragonbuck's assesment since he has seen both firsthand.

It is natural for competitive people to want to test themselves beyond arbitrary limits set by governing bodies, who mean well but can sometimes be overly protective. In actuality, I talked to Colerain's Kerry Coombs and he was not in favor of this game either. Not because he was afraid to play a top program from another state but because of the undue pressure of his kids needing to uphold state pride. He knew full well the ridicule of the uninformed, armchair quarterbacks in Cincinnati could heap on his young men should they lose.

As Owlfan eloquently stated it was merely a game of friendly competition between groups of young men the same age.

Why then did Coombs agree?

His kids wanted the challenge, the experience. I suspect Tyler Lee's kids wanted the same things. They are both winners. They set their goals higher than the adults around them thought prudent.

Also, on a practical level, Colerain was having a hard time scheduling teams. They are a victim of their own success. The OHSAA can learn a lot from the Texas playoff set up. The Ohio system both attempts to reward teams for playing up. Points are gained for defeated opponents wins but nothing is gained with a loss. A loss to a 10-0 team nets you the same as a loss to the 1-9 team. While defeating a 9-1 team can put you in the playoffs.

This system forces the better Ohio programs to look out-of-state. Had Coach Owens not had the courage to step up, Colerain would have not had a tenth game.

That's what Coombs decision came down to. Reward his team by allowing them a challenge they wanted or punish them because they had been too successful.

[RockinL]

Then now, Well Lee may not be that good. LOL Give me a break partner. Which is it?

Ill tell you what it is. Colerain has a good football team and is well coached. Tyler Lee is a average football team this year and is well coached.

Any more questions?

[PurpleNation]

Lee is by far not a top 10 team in Texas, but Colerain did what they had to do and they beat a good football team. Yes I would have wanted to see Lufkin,Longview,SLC, or Trinity go up there but it will never happen and there is no point on arguing were the best football is played we all know its Texas.

Texas 25 Ohio State 23

American by birth Texan by the grace of God.

[Colerain-Cards]

Ill tell you what it is. Colerain has a good football team and is well coached. Tyler Lee is a average football team this year and is well coached.

Any more questions?

How did Lee go from state champ to average so fast?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Please save the excuses. Didnt LEE win state in Texas last year?

There are 2 state champions in both 5A and 4A. We have over 240 teams on our 5A level and over 200 teams on the 4A level. Then we have a 3A, 2A, 1A and six-man level. All in all we have over 1,000 teams in the great state of Texas. Compared to your 60. We have, probably, 50 teams that equal the level of your Colerain team. Lee, this year, is barely in the Top 25, in my opinion. I've been to 14 games....all top Texas teams and games, and there is, without doubt, many more teams way better than Lee, this year.

And, last year, Tyler Lee lost 3 games during the regular season and had a miracle playoff run.

LOL.....!!!

You guys think you beat our best?!! OMG, that's hilarious!!! You guys, up there, have no clue!!!

Wow!...That would be like a the freshman team thinking they could beat the varsity just because they beat the JV!!!!!

[Colerain-Cards]

There are 2 state champions in both 5A and 4A. (We have over 240 teams on our 5A level and over 200 teams on the 4A level. Then we have a 3A, 2A, 1A and six-man level. All in all we have over 1,000 teams in the great state of Texas. Compared to your 60.)

And, Tyler Lee lost 3 games during the regular season and had a miracle playoff run.

LOL.....!!!

You guys think you beat our best?!! OMG, that's hilarious!!! You guys, up there, have no clue!!!

Wow!...That would be like a the freshman team thinking they could beat the varsity just because they beat the JV!!!!!

How does Lee have a miracle run with all those great teams in TEXAS? Same kinda trash being talked before the LEE/Colerain game. I see a trend being set. ;)

[Garland02]

How did Lee go from state champ to average so fast?

Graduation is the most likely answer. 5000 yards in skill positions graduated from their squad. Tune is the weekend and see how they hold up against Trinity. Lee will be better at the end of the year, as soon as the youngsters get more experience. I am sure Colerain graduated alot of talent too. You have a great team, congrats on your win.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

How does Lee have a miracle run with all those great teams in TEXAS? Same kinda trash being talked before the LEE/Colerain game. I see a trend being set. ;)

I don't know, what does it say about those 3 teams who beat Tyler Lee last year? Are they Colerain-leveled teams? LOL!!! How about the #1 team in the country, Southlake Carroll?!! I guess you think you beat our best and yet you guys think "We beat their best, why isn't Colerain at #1, instead of SLC?"....well, it's because Lee isn't our best. They're a good team, but not one of our Top 10-15 program.

You'll see that when Ohio has the gaul to come down here and play our top teams. Until then you will enjoy what 3 teams enjoyed last year, and what over 20 other teams have enjoyed since 2000,.....a victory over Lee....one of our Top 30 teams.

Lets just stop this thread, because it will go on!!

Here in Texas, we agree to disagree!!!!!!!!!

[RockinL]

How did Lee go from state champ to average so fast?
Just like most HS teams do. Graduation. DOesnt that also happen in Ohio??

[mad_fan]

Just like most HS teams do. Graduation. DOesnt that also happen in Ohio??

that's funny...stupid thread, but that's funny...

[owlfan 1]

And, last year, Tyler Lee lost 3 games during the regular season and had a miracle playoff run.



Lee's playoff run last year was hardly a miracle run. They deserved their championship. However, they graduated several HUGE pieces of that team and are trying to fill those holes with talented but young and inexperienced players.

I would say that Lee is a top 10 - 20 team, and, as their young players gain experience through the year, they will likely improve; they'll be a tough draw in the playoffs for whoever has to face them. The RE Lee program is among the top in the state, and just because they lost a game (a "circus" game, as one of the Southlake fans put it) should not diminish what they have accomplished.

The debate over who has the best football is pointless and unwinnable. In most years, the top level programs in California, Florida, Texas and Ohio would probably all be very competitive with each other. Texas, I believe, has a great advantage over other states because of the depth of quality programs - not to mention that HS football holds a special place in the state's culture.

[dada]

This game is over. It has no effect on the Texas title....it's gotten people banned. Can we let it die off? Lee and it's fans should get ready for Nance and Trinity next week. :D

[Colgar]

This game is over. It has no effect on the Texas title....it's gotten people banned. Can we let it die off? Lee and it's fans should get ready for Nance and Trinity next week. :D

It effects the Ohio title. Colerain needs Lee to win. They gain "Harbin" points for each of Lee's victories through October.


Go Raiders.

[raidercheerdad]

It effects the Ohio title. Colerain needs Lee to win. They gain "Harbin" points for each of Lee's victories through October.


Go Raiders.

Now that's a crazy playoff system that lets what goes on in another state dictate who makes the playoffs.

[dragonsdaddy]

weren't we arguing recently concerning this very thing. sos so far hasn't reared it's ugly head down our way. if seeding becomes the rule, you'll see big flip-flopd from me on playing stronger comp in non-district.

[dada]

It effects the Ohio title. Colerain needs Lee to win. They gain "Harbin" points for each of Lee's victories through October.


Go Raiders.
Wow...so the Lee game can determine if Colerain makes the playoffs or not? :confused:

[dada]

weren't we arguing recently concerning this very thing. sos so far hasn't reared it's ugly head down our way. if seeding becomes the rule, you'll see big flip-flopd from me on playing stronger comp in non-district.
So basicly Ohio uses a form of the old BCS? Strength of schedule and a points system?

[R E Lee]

Thank you Owlfan 1. Everyone close to the Lee program knew they were not going to start this year with the team they had last year. The writing was on the wall after this summer, but the team had to find that out for themselves. Now that their bubble has been busted, maybe they will start to get an identity for themselves.

The number 1 problem this year was replacing Scates, DeHaven, Van Zandt and Stripling. I think they came a long way in doing this in the second half of last Friday's game. They improved tremendously and it seemed like the light went on in their head. We will see if it is here to stay.

The number 2 problem is replacing the work ethic and unselfishness of Josh Hill, Ty Ross, Tony Bush, Peyton Price and Walter Simpson. This is the one that worries me the most. Sometimes kids either get it or they don't. That was the hardest working group of kids I have ever been around and this new group has got to grow up and sacrifice a little. John Williams going both ways is a good model for the commitment this team must have. Our backs need to get well, because it is almost criminal to see a back with size running out of bounds to avoid contact.

Right now, Lee is a top 11 team with room to improve. Right now, Trinity appears to be a better team, but Owens and his staff will find a way for this team to put up a dog fight in the playoffs and I would not rule out anything in December.

[Colerain-Cards]

Go Raiders.

[Lee05]

The number 1 problem this year was replacing Scates, DeHaven, Van Zandt and Stripling. The number 2 problem is replacing the work ethic and unselfishness of Josh Hill, Ty Ross, Tony Bush, Peyton Price and Walter Simpson.




haha, it's always weird to see websites talk about all these guys that i know and went to school with, and you can't forget big Ciron, a top OL prospect that went to LSU. i can tell you, from firsthand experience that our year just had statebound written all over it. i don't know for how many years people were waiting for all these guys to be on a single team, they had constantly played each other and were all spectactular athletes on their own teams. our year was just loaded with talent, and they had the work ethic to improve and get it done. you can't expect a team year to compete for state EVERY year, it is a sort of a luck of the draw, and boy did things line up for lee last season. great football

[SLCDad]

How does Lee have a miracle run with all those great teams in TEXAS? Same kinda trash being talked before the LEE/Colerain game. I see a trend being set. ;)Almost all of the best teams were in 5A Division 2 (at least 5 teams in the national top 20 during the year). REL won Division 1. The path to the D2 championship was much, much tougher.

[ktCarl]

....and so ends the saga of Lee vs Colerain.
A splendid time was had by all.

May we move on and never revisit this again.

Good luck Tyler Lee and the rest of Texas 5A football.