More than 50 % of women don't live with a man

[slorch]

This proves that women are just too difficult to live with:eek: .( Except for the sweet ladies we have on the board. Cove Mom, don't shoot me!:p )

Seriously, I found this pretty strange with the numbers being skewed slightly by women's greater longevity than men, as w ell as the slightly higher number of girls being born vs. boys.

Now for the real question, and if someone wants to build a poll, go for it, but...

What in your opinion is the reason for this phenomenon?
1) men are pigs and just too filthy to live with. And you can't trust the [censored] either( even though when cheating, it usually involves another WOMAN!)
2) women are so nagging and the headache isn't worth it to the guys.
3)we are headed towards Lesbian Nation.
4)money is so important that people don't want family interfering with their "lives"
5)the children of the 70's and 80's have said," To Hell with marriage, I'm not putting my kids through what I went through." Therefore absolving themselves of the commitment.
discuss...

[KT2000]

I'll go with a combination of #1 and #5.

[ktCarl]

I think Cove Mom should shoot you anyway. :D

[Drake]

You think entertainment opportunities have anything to do with it? Heck, there's a game or a reality show on 24/7... Plus, there's entertainment on the internet if that's what you call this kind of stuff... Maybe people are too occupied to realize they're lonely?

Sometimes I wonder if they had ESPN and American Idol back in the sixties, would I have ever been born?

[CFlb38 08]

5....

[LUFPAN]

5....

6..?

[KT2000]

I'd also like to add another probable reason is that women today have more opportunities in the workplace, and are more career driven as a result.

They aren't limited to the following two options now:

1. Get Married
2. Have Babies

[slorch]

I'd also like to add another probable reason is that women today have more opportunities in the workplace, and are more career driven as a result.

They aren't limited to the following two options now:

1. Get Married
2. Have Babies

I think my 3 and 4 cover those...:D

[ktCarl]

I'd also like to add another probable reason is that women today have more opportunities in the workplace, and are more career driven as a result.

They aren't limited to the following two options now:

1. Get Married
2. Have Babies

You forgot bake cookies and iron clothes.

[Firebird]

It's a combination of 4 and 5. I think a big part of it is what KT200 says, they want to explore their other options. I will also say that it's probably a lot harder to find a decent man to live with nowadays.

I fear that we are headed for a demographic crises similar to the one Europe is facing right now, only later.

[GoOwls]

The other side of it is that it is also getting harder to find a decent woman to live with also. It's a two way street folks, and I, personally, tire of people making excuses for poor behavior in women while crucifying men for the same behavior. I think it's bad behavior for both, let's just be fair with our dishing out the blame.

[Drake]

As the father of a 20 year old man I can tell you that the idea of marriage and children are a lower priority than self indulgence for many in Generation Y. Times are a changin'...

[LUFPAN]

Here's one reason that so many women now choose to live alone...rated PG-13

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1333e1a7e921a769691d2674cd9704e6.1104298&cache=1

[trbandchic]

I thought I'd give my input, but take it as what you will because I'm not technically a "women" yet, I'm almost 18 and I still live at home, so I'm not counted in that percentage.

I know that personally I want to fulfill my career dreams before I start a family. I'm not sure that having a husband would be bad during this time, but children I do not want until I have stabilized myself financially. I personally think that it's not just women who are choosing to live alone, I think it is the amount of guys choosing not to get married.

It also scares me that 6 or 7 out of 10 friends of mine have parents who are divorced, I think that these numbers are going to grow because of the example that is being set by our parents. I also know that I am lucky to have 2 parents who have been together my whole life, and I know they get along and love each other.
sorry so long!!

[Drake]

trbandchic... I could be arrested for even speaking to you, but I'm so curious... Did you get one of those temperpedic pillows you were hoping for for Christmas? :)

[trbandchic]

trbandchic... I could be arrested for even speaking to you, but I'm so curious... Did you get one of those temperpedic pillows you were hoping for for Christmas? :)
haha!!
It took me a while to understand what you were talking about!!

you're funny!;)

[Redhoss]

I thought I'd give my input, but take it as what you will because I'm not technically a "women" yet, I'm almost 18 and I still live at home, so I'm not counted in that percentage.

I know that personally I want to fulfill my career dreams before I start a family. I'm not sure that having a husband would be bad during this time, but children I do not want until I have stabilized myself financially. I personally think that it's not just women who are choosing to live alone, I think it is the amount of guys choosing not to get married.

It also scares me that 6 or 7 out of 10 friends of mine have parents who are divorced, I think that these numbers are going to grow because of the example that is being set by our parents. I also know that I am lucky to have 2 parents who have been together my whole life, and I know they get along and love each other.
sorry so long!!

Sounds like a good idea trbandchic.

Financial stability certainly gives the marriage relationship a much better chance of success.

Now you will need to choose someone who has at least as good an insight as yours :D

[J-Rock Mom]

I come from a home where my parents have been together for over 45 years and I have been with my husband for 23 1/2 years. When I was growing up I wanted a husband and a family first. I didn't want to be one of those ladies who's kids are still at home in school when I am in my sixties.
So I didn't party when I was young, who cares I will do it when my last child is out of the house. I will still be young and be able to travel with my husband and have the time of my life.
I have never lived alone, I went from my parents house to a house with my husband. I know some of you will say, "you don't know what you are missing."
I do!
Also, I don't ever think that you are ever financially stable for children. The more money you have the more expensive it is to have those kids.

Now that is just my .02.

[slorch]

I come from a home where my parents have been together for over 45 years and I have been with my husband for 23 1/2 years. When I was growing up I wanted a husband and a family first. I didn't want to be one of those ladies who's kids are still at home in school when I am in my sixties.
So I didn't party when I was young, who cares I will do it when my last child is out of the house. I will still be young and be able to travel with my husband and have the time of my life.
I have never lived alone, I went from my parents house to a house with my husband. I know some of you will say, "you don't know what you are missing."
I do!
Also, I don't ever think that you are ever financially stable for children. The more money you have the more expensive it is to have those kids.

Now that is just my .02.

we are in the same boat. We were 22 and 19 when our oldest son was born. almost 14 years( March) later, we are always the youngest parents at Youth activities and school groups, but to your point, J-Rock Mom, we'll be young enough to really enjoy our "mature" years when the kids get out of college.

As for the last 2 sentences are dead on. If you wait until you have the money for kids, you'll be 50...

[Miss Kitty]

When you "grow up" with someone and you form your outlooks and goals together I think you have a better chance sometimes. But then, there is something to be said for getting married too young. It just depends on the idividuals.

When you wait until you are older and more "set in your ways" it becomes more difficult to merge those outlooks and goals. Therefore it becomes so very important to take your time and find the right person who already shares the same ideals about things. That is not easy to do.

When women become independent, they don't rush into a situation where they may be controlled. I think they fear losing their independence more than men do and they just don't want to put up with that any more. They are much more open minded, like men have always been. To be blunt, many of them now live their lives the way they want, if they get frisky, they go out and get their fix and not have to worry about the "strings" of a relationship. Then they go back to living their own way. This is a change in the times.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I'm a 25 year old young man that is still learning about life everyday. Part of the reasons people don't get married, or get married and divorce, are because they get married for the wrong reasons. There are some men and women, who wants to be with someone wealthy and they want them to wait on them hand and feet. Then, you have some who get married after only knowing that person for 6 months. That's not the way to do it! Then, you have two people get married for the simple fact that they have a child together. Last time I checked, the only reason people should be married is because they love each other UNCONDITIONALLY!

Alot of people don't know the TRUE meaning of love. Real love is when you're with someone no matter what they look like. Some people are so wrapped up into looks and the size of someone's wallet and d--k, that they don't take the time out to really get to know what that paticular person is like on the inside. It's not what's on the outside that counts, it's really what a person is about on the inside. Your attitude and your heart is what shows your true colors.

Unfortunately, my generation has failed to understand that.

[Miss Kitty]

I'm a 25 year old young man that is still learning about life everyday. Part of the reasons people don't get married, or get married and divorce, are because they get married for the wrong reasons. There are some men and women, who wants to be with someone wealthy and they want them to wait on them hand and feet. Then, you have some who get married after only knowing that person for 6 months. That's not the way to do it! Then, you have two people get married for the simple fact that they have a child together. Last time I checked, the only reason people should be married is because they love each other UNCONDITIONALLY!

Alot of people don't know the TRUE meaning of love. Real love is when you're with someone no matter what they look like. Some people are so wrapped up into looks and the size of someone's wallet and d--k, that they don't take the time out to really get to know what that paticular person is like on the inside. It's not what's on the outside that counts, it's really what a person is about on the inside. Your attitude and your heart is what shows your true colors.

Unfortunately, my generation has failed to understand that.


Not just your generation sweetie. Great Post!!!

[PaulinPlano]

You think entertainment opportunities have anything to do with it? Heck, there's a game or a reality show on 24/7... Plus, there's entertainment on the internet if that's what you call this kind of stuff... Maybe people are too occupied to realize they're lonely?

Sometimes I wonder if they had ESPN and American Idol back in the sixties, would I have ever been born?

That is too funny!!!:D :D :D

[PaulinPlano]

I thought I'd give my input, but take it as what you will because I'm not technically a "women" yet, I'm almost 18 and I still live at home, so I'm not counted in that percentage.

I know that personally I want to fulfill my career dreams before I start a family. I'm not sure that having a husband would be bad during this time, but children I do not want until I have stabilized myself financially. I personally think that it's not just women who are choosing to live alone, I think it is the amount of guys choosing not to get married.

It also scares me that 6 or 7 out of 10 friends of mine have parents who are divorced, I think that these numbers are going to grow because of the example that is being set by our parents. I also know that I am lucky to have 2 parents who have been together my whole life, and I know they get along and love each other.
sorry so long!!

Sounds like you have a very good head on you shoulders!:)

[PaulinPlano]

I'm a 25 year old young man that is still learning about life everyday. Part of the reasons people don't get married, or get married and divorce, are because they get married for the wrong reasons. There are some men and women, who wants to be with someone wealthy and they want them to wait on them hand and feet. Then, you have some who get married after only knowing that person for 6 months. That's not the way to do it! Then, you have two people get married for the simple fact that they have a child together. Last time I checked, the only reason people should be married is because they love each other UNCONDITIONALLY!

Alot of people don't know the TRUE meaning of love. Real love is when you're with someone no matter what they look like. Some people are so wrapped up into looks and the size of someone's wallet and d--k, that they don't take the time out to really get to know what that paticular person is like on the inside. It's not what's on the outside that counts, it's really what a person is about on the inside. Your attitude and your heart is what shows your true colors.

Unfortunately, my generation has failed to understand that.

Not just your generation sweetie. Great Post!!!

Ditto. Good Post.

I believe if you look at the people around you that have successful marriages and relationships is because they have invited God into their lives.:)

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Ditto. Good Post.

I believe if you look at the people around you that have successful marriages and relationships is because they have invited God into their lives.:)

I agree with that 100 percent. Thru the graces of GOD, you can get thru, and overcome obstacles. He doesn't put you thru anything that you can't bear.

[GoOwls]

The title line above also implies that more than 50% of men don't live with women. The story in question, which I had already read a few days ago, takes the feminist approach that women are taking control of their situation, which I don't doubt that many are doing. It ignores the idea that part of the escalation in the numbers is that many men are making the same choice. Either the idea that they simply don't desire a permanent relationship, or the implimentation of the old wives tale of "why buy the cow when the milk is free".

Personally, being a person in a great relationship with a wonderful woman, if something happened and I found myself single again, I know for absolutely certain I would not marry again, for three main reasons:

1. To take care of personal freedoms that are restricted in a relationship. (going where I want to when I want to, going to 5 HS football games in a weekend, go fishing, golfing, etc., when I want to, etc.)

2. Because of my job, I get to know many women, and over time, and I don't know of one that I would trust to treat me fairly in a relationship. I get to see how they are away from home at their jobs, and I bet they don't act at home likr they do at work. I know some nice ladies, but there are just too many skrletons to deal with.

3. Everyone would pale in comparison to my wife. They would never measure up to the standards I'm used to.

This is one old boy who would fly solo in the relationship market in todays atmosphere. I wouldn't give a woman the opportunity to make that decision on me. Been there and done that.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

The title line above also implies that more than 50% of men don't live with women. The story in question, which I had already read a few days ago, takes the feminist approach that women are taking control of their situation, which I don't doubt that many are doing. It ignores the idea that part of the escalation in the numbers is that many men are making the same choice. Either the idea that they simply don't desire a permanent relationship, or the implimentation of the old wives tale of "why buy the cow when the milk is free".

Personally, being a person in a great relationship with a wonderful woman, if something happened and I found myself single again, I know for absolutely certain I would not marry again, for three main reasons:

1. To take care of personal freedoms that are restricted in a relationship. (going where I want to when I want to, going to 5 HS football games in a weekend, go fishing, golfing, etc., when I want to, etc.)

2. Because of my job, I get to know many women, and over time, and I don't know of one that I would trust to treat me fairly in a relationship. I get to see how they are away from home at their jobs, and I bet they don't act at home likr they do at work. I know some nice ladies, but there are just too many skrletons to deal with.

3. Everyone would pale in comparison to my wife. They would never measure up to the standards I'm used to.

This is one old boy who would fly solo in the relationship market in todays atmosphere. I wouldn't give a woman the opportunity to make that decision on me. Been there and done that.

Great post GoOwls!

[stevefoxsc]

well considering infidelity is growing increasingly, it's usually the women who cheat more then man do which i dont see why women call us all dogs i mean they do cheat more than we do statistically...

My theory! it didn't really jump start until you could actually take what you didn't work for if you divorced, so basically then men who worked all day who married stay home wifes crept up and down the block came home found out they could divorce and take everything they didn't work for so pow wow here comes divorce! Thats just a theory of mine

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

well considering infidelity is growing increasingly, it's usually the women who cheat more then man do which i dont see why women call us all dogs i mean they do cheat more than we do statistically...

My theory! it didn't really jump start until you could actually take what you didn't work for if you divorced, so basically then men who worked all day who married stay home wifes crept up and down the block came home found out they could divorce and take everything they didn't work for so pow wow here comes divorce! Thats just a theory of mine

Steve, I owe you a six pack of your favorite drink for this one.

[CoveMom]

CoveMom will not be shooting anyone today. That said, here are my two cents.

When I was getting ready to marry my first husband, my wise and wonderful mother wrote me a letter (in cursive, on paper, sent by US Postal Service). She said a lot of things, but the one thing she said that I did not pay attention to the first time around was:

I know you love him, but do you like him?

Another jewel in that letter that I did not realize until I was married to my second (and last) husband was:

Marriage is not a 50-50 proposition. It is 100-100. Each has to give all to the relationship and that is the key to success. If you both spend 100 percent of yourselves in making the marriage a success, it will be. That doesn't mean you don't take time for yourself. It just means that two halves making a whole is better than two halves coexisting as a part of a loosely defined single entity.

We waited until we were in our thirties to have children and for us that was a very wise decision. We played hard and had a lot of expensive toys before the kids were born. Now, our lives are "on hold" for the 22 years we will have our minors in the house. I am sure the "two of us" stuff will pick up right where we left off after we get them launched.

In short, too many women marry for status, lust, kicks, looks, etc. They need to marry for life, love, loyalty, and friendship. The last being most important in my opinion.




When I'm 64
by John Lennon/Paul McCartney

When I get older, losing my hair, many years from now,
Will you still be sending me a Valentine,birthday greetings, bottle of wine?
If I'd been out 'till quarter to three,would you lock the door?
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I'm sixty-four?

Hmm------mmm---mmmh.
You'll be older, too.Aaah, and if you say the word, I could stay with you.


I could be handy, mending a fuse, when your lights have gone.
You can knit a sweater by the fireside, sunday mornings, go for a ride.
Doing the garden, digging the weeds, who could ask for more?
Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm sixty four?


Every summer we can rent a cottage in the Isle of Wightif it's not to dear. We shall scrimp and save.
Ah, grandchildren on your knee, Vera, Chuck, and Dave.


Send me a postcard, drop me a line stating point of view.
Indicate precisely what you mean to say, yours sincerely wasting away.
Give me your answer, fill in a form, mine forever more.
Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm sixty four?

[slorch]

Cove mom you are dead on in your assessment of the reasons people marry( or should get married)

I struggle with the thought of ever being with someone else than my wife. Just like GoOwls describes, I just truly doubt anyone will ever get to know me the way she does( they'd kill me first,) or be as kind, loving, and strong as she is.

I say this, and think about one of my employees who lost his wife to cancer about a year and a half ago. After about 40 years of marriage, kids and grandkids, his life changed the way we are talking about, and 6 months later he started seeing someone. they are bigtime friends, and it is awesome to see my employee( and friend) so happy. I guess it can happen, even though we think it won't.

I will agree on another thing, those of us that are happily married to the first spouse we have ever had are a rare breed. I married the best woman I have ever met, and still feel that way. I shudder at the thought of dating ever again...like Go Owls describes, I see a lot of people with different priorities than mine. And CoveMom you are right, many people don't recognize what is truly going to make you happy day in and day out.
(steps down from pulpit)

As for the politics of it all, I don't think it's happening because the new woman thinks she's got to run the show, I think it's both genders realizing how hard it is to find somebody that is decent!

[CoveMom]

And I forgot to add this:


With regard to the title of this thread and the fact it purports:

THEIR LOSS!!!!!

[GoOwls]

CoveMom will not be shooting anyone today. That said, here are my two cents.

When I was getting ready to marry my first husband, my wise and wonderful mother wrote me a letter (in cursive, on paper, sent by US Postal Service). She said a lot of things, but the one thing she said that I did not pay attention to the first time around was:

I know you love him, but do you like him?

Another jewel in that letter that I did not realize until I was married to my second (and last) husband was:

Marriage is not a 50-50 proposition. It is 100-100. Each has to give all to the relationship and that is the key to success. If you both spend 100 percent of yourselves in making the marriage a success, it will be. That doesn't mean you don't take time for yourself. It just means that two halves making a whole is better than two halves coexisting as a part of a loosely defined single entity.

We waited until we were in our thirties to have children and for us that was a very wise decision. We played hard and had a lot of expensive toys before the kids were born. Now, our lives are "on hold" for the 22 years we will have our minors in the house. I am sure the "two of us" stuff will pick up right where we left off after we get them launched.

In short, too many women marry for status, lust, kicks, looks, etc. They need to marry for life, love, loyalty, and friendship. The last being most important in my opinion.




When I'm 64
by John Lennon/Paul McCartney

When I get older, losing my hair, many years from now,
Will you still be sending me a Valentine,birthday greetings, bottle of wine?
If I'd been out 'till quarter to three,would you lock the door?
Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I'm sixty-four?

Hmm------mmm---mmmh.
You'll be older, too.Aaah, and if you say the word, I could stay with you.


I could be handy, mending a fuse, when your lights have gone.
You can knit a sweater by the fireside, sunday mornings, go for a ride.
Doing the garden, digging the weeds, who could ask for more?
Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm sixty four?


Every summer we can rent a cottage in the Isle of Wightif it's not to dear. We shall scrimp and save.
Ah, grandchildren on your knee, Vera, Chuck, and Dave.


Send me a postcard, drop me a line stating point of view.
Indicate precisely what you mean to say, yours sincerely wasting away.
Give me your answer, fill in a form, mine forever more.
Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm sixty four?

"I know you love min, but do you like him"?

Man, wiser words have never been spoken. These darn kids these days, in general, are too focused on the sex, and how kinky the partner is, and what they'll do to you, and how he/she makes your toes curl up. The missing point is that in a few months or years, when all that becomes rather passe', what do you do with yourselves to stay together? You had better like each other a whole bunch.

I still say the best plan is to marry someone you have liked for many years, but never had a relationship with. Someone you like to spend quiet time with. There are many more quiet hours spent in a relationship than the few minutes, relatively speaking, making the neighbors blush.

Marry someone you like a whole bunch, the toe curling will take care of itself, nature will see to that.

[GoOwls]

I guess this last post was an "ender". I love it when that happens.....:D