Baylor Future?

[supercentex]

http://img3.picsplace.to/img3/1821/DSCN0033a.JPG

Along with all the outstanding recruits that they have been getting..............Baylor should be bowl bound by 2006 or 2007

[wide-e-wide]

Considering there are currently about eleventy-billion bowl games....
wow! that's certainly something to brag about. Going to the
Gallery Furniture Bowl does not translate to success on the gridiron.

[supercentex]

Considering there are currently about eleventy-billion bowl games....
wow! that's certainly something to brag about. Going to the
Gallery Furniture Bowl does not translate to success on the gridiron.

From being at the bottom since the inception of the Big 12..........and making a bowl game would be a big accomplishment for the Baylor Bears.

Baylor will be the next Kansas State.........

[wide-e-wide]

That is the thing I will never understand about Baylor fans.
Why do they applaud mediocre results? It's as if they know it
is the best they are going to get...If you expect and accept so-so
performance, that is all you will ever get.

[supercentex]

That is the thing I will never understand about Baylor fans.
Why do they applaud mediocre results? It's as if they know it
is the best they are going to get...If you expect and accept so-so
performance, that is all you will ever get.


Well first off i'm not really a Baylor fan...I just like to see them do well since they are the underdog.

You will see in the near future what Baylor is capable of........they used to be a pretty decent program.

But, with Coach Morriss......things are going to continue to head up.


By the way, Kansas State hasn't been exactly medicore

[wide-e-wide]

Well, Baylor and KState do have one thing in common.
Neither one can beat the Longhorns.
And I know once upon a time Baylor had a pretty good
program. Every Baylor fan in Waco reminds me every day
that they were in the Cotton Bowl in 1974. And I remind them
that I was less than a year old when that happened.

[dragonsdaddy]

the baylor coaches are going to have a tough time selling the 2 dragons to come to a program that hasn't won as many games this decade as slc did this year. losing 1 game in his career will be tough to duplicate wherever he signs, but baylor would be a beating in more ways than one for someone like mckay.

[supercentex]

Baylor is the only school that is offering them. (right now anyway)

They would definitely fit into the style of attack that Guy Morriss likes to run.

So, like Guy MO has been preaching to the recruits....you want to play now....come to Baylor.

[SummitGrad04]

From being at the bottom since the inception of the Big 12..........and making a bowl game would be a big accomplishment for the Baylor Bears.

Baylor will be the next Kansas State.........
Baylor making it to a bowl game (no matter how minor) would be a definate improvement, but no one will ever respect them until they become a consistent threat within the Big XII South. When they beat the Aggies in 2004, everyone thought if it as just a fluke on A&M's part. No one was talking about how good Baylor was. They've got to do it consistently before anyone will take notice.

[farmerfan]

Well, Baylor and KState do have one thing in common.

I belive K-State has beaten Texas, should have beaten Texas in Autin two years ago, so to say neither one can beat Texas is just plain wrong, Kansas State whipped the horns in 98 holding Ricky to something like 40 yds rushing, they came back the following year and beat again, this time in Austin, K-State used to be a nemesis to Texas.

[supercentex]

Guy MO went into Kentucky with that 300 lb QB and shook the SEC up some..........he's going to do the same thing at Baylor....watch and see. He is pulling in some really good recruits........you will definitely be able to see this progress this year.

[wide-e-wide]

Record all of the Baylor is on the rise comments and just re-play them every year from now on...it ain't gonna happen.

[mtbray]

I'm not sure why everybody seems to have such contempt for Baylor.......

I say good luck to them in the future and if they can improve their program more power to them. At least maybe it will make things more interesting around the Big XII.

[wide-e-wide]

Me personally...I live in Waco and get tired of hearing excuses...
They are the loveable loser and the fans drive me bananas.
It has just gotten real old, real quick. They are a Div. 1 school and
often times they remind me of a community college. Even now...I am
posting this knowing full well, some Baylor fan will tell me all about how Baylor owns everybody else in track....and women's basketball....and tennis...
and will no doubt somehow bring up the 1974 Cotton Bowl...or beating aggy---who cares?

[mtbray]

Me personally...I live in Waco and get tired of hearing excuses...
They are the loveable loser and the fans drive me bananas.
It has just gotten real old, real quick. They are a Div. 1 school and
often times they remind me of a community college. Even now...I am
posting this knowing full well, some Baylor fan will tell me all about how Baylor owns everybody else in track....and women's basketball....and tennis...
and will no doubt somehow bring up the 1974 Cotton Bowl...or beating aggy---who cares?

lol....it sounds to me like you're hanging around the wrong crowd then.


But yeah, where does the contempt for them come from? I don't see the point in hating on the little guy.

[LP-79]

Don't forget they do have a pretty good quarterback from Lufkin. I saw him when Lufkin played SLC at baylor last year. Parks is looking awesome! Added a lot more bulk, Maybe they will win a few more games this year.

[wide-e-wide]

I don't hate them. I hope that Terrance does well, after all he
is representing my home town. But if by chance he shouldn't
succeed....don't tell me about how you beat aggy last year and
that is good enough...

[dragonsdaddy]

no, i believe several other offers are on the table from places like mo, tt, byu and tcu, i think. bu would be close to home at least.

[supercentex]

Terrence Parks will not play this year due to injury....so the starter at QB will be Shawn Bell from China Spring High School (3-A high school in Waco area)

He is the QB that beat A&M last year.

Terrence Parks will defintely start his junior and senior years barring injuries or someone else coming in and taking his spot.

Clint Renfro only has offers right now from Baylor and Houston. Baylor was the first one to offer him. http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=35789

I hope Clint goes to Baylor..he wants to run track I see and Baylor has an awesome track program. But, he's also looking at TCU where his dad went.

You're right about Jacobson. Everyone is after him. Maybe Baylor can talk him into going there with teammate Renfro as the WR's duo.

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=35065

[dragonsdaddy]

chase is also pushing him to come north with him. they had a good visit at the spring game. he will graduate at christmas, so he may play a state title game(he said gun-jumpingly) one sat and head to a bowl game the next week. i thought clint said tcu had offered when i saw him last week.

[wide-e-wide]

What happened to Parks? I heard he suffered a cut to his finger and
would be out the remainder of the spring practices. But not all of next season. Did something else happen.

[supercentex]

What happened to Parks? I heard he suffered a cut to his finger and
would be out the remainder of the spring practices. But not all of next season. Did something else happen.

Whatever it is he is going to have to have surgury...it was more than a cut........he tore something in his hand.

[mtbray]

I don't hate them. I hope that Terrance does well, after all he
is representing my home town. But if by chance he shouldn't
succeed....don't tell me about how you beat aggy last year and
that is good enough...

What do you mean how I beat the aggies last year? I don't go to Baylor. Actually, I think you'd be suprised to hear where I go if that's what you were inferring...lol

[wide-e-wide]

No...no..no...I was referring to the Baylor fans...not you personally...

[SummitGrad04]

Guy MO went into Kentucky with that 300 lb QB and shook the SEC up some..........he's going to do the same thing at Baylor....watch and see. He is pulling in some really good recruits........you will definitely be able to see this progress this year.
I think Guy's had a harder time recruiting kids to Baylor than he did Kentucky.

[stevefoxsc]

Me personally...I live in Waco and get tired of hearing excuses...
They are the loveable loser and the fans drive me bananas.
It has just gotten real old, real quick. They are a Div. 1 school and
often times they remind me of a community college. Even now...I am
posting this knowing full well, some Baylor fan will tell me all about how Baylor owns everybody else in track....and women's basketball....and tennis...
and will no doubt somehow bring up the 1974 Cotton Bowl...or beating aggy---who cares?
and every time they bring up we beat the Aggy i ask them what about the long horn? usually shuts them up and then they just say well you go to tstc u big loser rofl

[supercentex]

From ESPN:

Baylor Bears coming back strong!

Returning starters
Offense: 4, Defense: 8, Kicker/punter: 1

2004 statistical leaders (* returners)
Rushing: Paul Mosley* (582 yds)
Passing: Dane King (1,370 yds)
Receiving: Marques Roberts (570 yds)
Tackles: Maurice Lane* (104)
Sacks: Willie Andrews* (3)
Interceptions: Four players with 1

Spring Answers: In the quarterback competition, junior Shawn Bell took the lead coming out of spring – partly out of default, mostly out of performance. He played well in the team's scrimmages, showed some leadership and became the clear-cut No. 1 after Dane King transferred and sophomore Terrance Parks went down with a torn ligament in his index finger. Coach Guy Morriss is reportedly searching the junior college level, but the receivers feel comfortable with Bell and he's likely the man. ... Two transfers from Tulane – C Will Blaylock and CB Alton Widemon – showed coaches what they could do despite nagging injuries. Don't be surprised if both are starting in the season opener. ... Joining Blaylock on that O-line will be a pair of impressive tackles: Matt Lott, a juco All-American, and Nick Pace, who returns after an ailing back kept him off the field in '04. The line looks like it's headed for a major turnaround. ... Mosley is "Thunder," while Brandon Whitaker is "Lightning." That's what they're calling them in Waco after the power guy (Mosley) and the slasher (Whitaker) showed marked improvement this spring. This looks like a good 1-2 punch. ... The Bears have the luxury of replacing two key seniors at linebacker, Justin Colbert and Michael Crooks, with two of this season's seniors, Collin Allred and Jamaal Harper. Don't look for a huge dropoff.

Fall Questions: Although the potential is there, the Bears' defensive line isn't where it should be. Players like M.T. Robinson and Montez Murphy showed some progress in the spring, but it will need to carry over to the fall. ... And will there be any big plays out of the defense as a whole this year? There would just about have to be more than there were last season. BU totaled a whopping 18 sacks and nine turnovers (compared to 24 by its offense). That's just not good enough if these guys are serious about wanting to make some noise. ... The defensive cause certainly wasn't helped when sophomore Braelon Davis tore his ACL a week before the spring game. He and the coaching staff are still hopeful he can return at some point, but it would have to be a quicker-than-usual recovery. A selection to the all-Big 12 freshman team and already BU's best corner, Davis is a substantial loss. ... The Bears are a confident football team. It's real and everyone around the program can feel it. That means nothing, however, if the team doesn't start out 3-0. It's a must. So is winning a Big 12 road game for the first time in its history. Kim Mulkey-Robertson, who brought a women's basketball national title to the school in April, gave the team a pep talk just days after returning from the Final Four. Maybe some good karma can rub off.

[supercentex]

#77 LeQualon McDonald from Waco High

http://img3.picsplace.to/img3/1833/DSCN0094a.JPG

His bro LeQuantum McDonald (will start for Baylor next year) with Waco High alum and ex Oklahoma Center (started as a freshmen at OU) was on same team with Derrick Johnson.

http://img3.picsplace.to/img3/1833/DSCN0125a.JPG

[lonny23]

http://img3.picsplace.to/img3/1821/DSCN0033a.JPG

Along with all the outstanding recruits that they have been getting..............Baylor should be bowl bound by 2006 or 2007
The funny thing about the picture is that you didn't post the names of the guys in the photo. I know you don't like SLC, but your post was like a SLC post where you just automatically assume we know what people look like.

As far as Baylor goes, you have to start somewhere when you're at the bottom. The A&M win was good as was getting that WR from Los Angeles. Morriss started having success at Kentucky and Texas is a better place to recruit. You have to figure there are a few Baptist kids out there playing football, too.

[Texas Hammer]

I think Guy's had a harder time recruiting kids to Baylor than he did Kentucky.
KY is the #1 college in the state, but Louisville has had the better program recently. It will take time for Baylor because they aren't the #1 college in Texas and Morriss has to show the kids he'll win. If Baylor starts winning, they'll have no problem getting guys to play in the Big 12. They have good track and baseball programs for the multi-sport stars.

[garland04]

As a Baylor student I will tell you this-

Baylor will not get any better until these conditions are met:

A) New Facilities. Many high schools in the state have better practice facilities than the Bears.
B) Baylor wins games. I think that's self explainatory.
C) Loss of the Baylor stigma. Baylor is NOT a uptight school, and as long as you behave yourself you can pretty much get away with whatever you would like to do.
D) Getting stars to come to Baylor. This goes along with C). Maybe these SLC guys and the LA guy will help....

sic 'em

[wide-e-wide]

Please explain this one...as long as you behave yourself, you can pretty much get away with whatever you would like to do?

If people are doing whatever they would like to do...the majority of
the time they are not behaving themselves.

[Texas Hammer]

Please explain this one...as long as you behave yourself, you can pretty much get away with whatever you would like to do?

If people are doing whatever they would like to do...the majority of
the time they are not behaving themselves.
I think he's trying to say, "As long as you're not being obvious, you can sin any way you want against the moral Baptist standards of the University." I assume that means drinking and carousing.

[Texas Hammer]

As a Baylor student I will tell you this-

Baylor will not get any better until these conditions are met:

A) New Facilities. Many high schools in the state have better practice facilities than the Bears.
B) Baylor wins games. I think that's self explainatory.
C) Loss of the Baylor stigma. Baylor is NOT a uptight school, and as long as you behave yourself you can pretty much get away with whatever you would like to do.
D) Getting stars to come to Baylor. This goes along with C). Maybe these SLC guys and the LA guy will help....

sic 'em
Nevermind, you said it.

[wide-e-wide]

drinking and carousing?
at Baylor?
Naaaaah...there's none of that going on...

[Texas Hammer]

drinking and carousing?
at Baylor?
Naaaaah...there's none of that going on...
If Jim McMahon can do it at BYU, it can happen anywhere.

[svhorns]

well considering they signed one of the top LB's in Texas last year in Joe Pawelek i think they are taking a step in the right direction.

[Texas Hammer]

well considering they signed one of the top LB's in Texas last year in Joe Pawelek i think they are taking a step in the right direction.
I heard it was mainly for baseball, though. That's a waste because he's an awesome football player.

[supercentex]

Waco High's DE Don'Tay Ward (committed to Baylor)

Senior at Waco High this up-coming season


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[dragonsdaddy]

i second the tools comments on pavelka.

[Texasfrog]

I think Baylor is turning the corner some. I wont be surprised to see them make a Bowl in 2006 .

Big wins last season against North Tx helped them in recruiting the Dallas & Ft. Worth area second tier players.

This season they need to beat SMU to again intice many of the Dallas & Ft. Worth kids.

They need to beat SMU, ARMY and Iowa St this season and blowout Samford and maybe sneak one against Missouri or Nebraska would be nice for Baylor this season.

[dragonsdaddy]

froggie, 1996 was a great year, but i don't think bu made the pos.

[Texasfrog]

froggie, 1996 was a great year, but i don't think bu made the pos.

Ya, I'm living in the past I guess. I meant 2006 that Baylor may get a Bowl.

[VB Pack Fan]

The kids coming from SLC are good athletes coming from a sound program.These kids like the kids at the Woodlands have a advantage of Pro athletes backgounds.When it come to college those recievers are small and will have to get much stronger to have any kind of sucess. I think that is why a lot them are not getting offers from some of the big program schools.You have college linebackers running 4.4 and 4.5 that weigh 240 pounds and hit hard, it,s going to tough for them to play at that next level.I have watch them for three years and it,s that system that Dodge has that makes them look good and win.I know I will get flack from you SLC fans but that how I see it and it,s only my opinion, good luck this year.

[wide-e-wide]

bible aggy has got a long way to go...
Just be content with beating aggy and call it a day.

[eagleike]

I will tell ya'll what I tell eveyone else:

You want to play in a big time league like the Big 12 AND graduate with a quality degree............Go to Baylor.

The Baylor football players graduate at a rate that far exceeds the rest of the Big 12 including Texas and Texas A&M.

[supercentex]

I will tell ya'll what I tell eveyone else:

You want to play in a big time league like the Big 12 AND graduate with a quality degree............Go to Baylor.

The Baylor football players graduate at a rate that far exceeds the rest of the Big 12 including Texas and Texas A&M.


You can bet Coach Morriss is preaching that...and come to Baylor if you want to start RIGHT NOW.

[wide-e-wide]

And come to Baylor if you enjoy getting the (bleep)
kicked out of you every week.

If I'm just a plain old
every day student...maybe Baylor would appeal to me...
If I was a football player...I'd tell Guy Morris to take a hike
and stop sending letters to my house.

[eagleike]

It is obvious that you don't realize that there are players out there that want to build something special, leave their mark on an up and coming program.

Getting an outstanding education in an environment that helps build character and develop leadership skills that you can use the rest of your life is just as important as stepping into a situation where everything is handed to you on a silver platter.

As a player competing against the Bears, I always respected Baylor as a class university and athletic program. Why don't you, wide-e-wide, stop your Baylor hating and be up lifted that there is still room for the Davids in a world full of Goliaths?

[wide-e-wide]

I can appreciate there being Davids out there.
But Baylor isn't David...there like David's second cousin
that wants to fit in, but can't... And just how long has
Baylor been up and coming now? what 30 years?
I don't hate them...I just get sick of hearing them brag
about beating aggy. Wow! you beat aggy...Let's tear down
the freakin' goal post and talk about it for like 9 months now.
They are not up and coming...They may compete in baseball...
women's basketball, track, and tennis...but they will never compete
in football. I said NEVER...it ain't gonna happen. Maybe by Baylor fan's
idea of what competing is...but for the rest of us in the real world...going
5-5 is not competing...it's mediocre.

[farmerfan]

wide you seem to be full of plenty of hate, in fact just start calling you the lil ball of hate.

Have you looked at Baylor's program to know if they are up and coming? Baylor has been on the receiving end of some pretty good recruits, they play in the Big 12 and kids realize that. If Iowa State can go to a bowl game and be one game away from playing for a Big 12 title then why cant Baylor be cometitive, Baylor has far more resources to draw from than Iowa State. Also the reason they reacted to beating A&M the way they did was because of the long 19-20 game losing streak they had against A&M and the fact that A&M came into that game with a 6-1 record and a top 20 ranking. They should be proud of beating A&M its a foundation to start on and shows your players that on any given Saturday you can take down one of the big schools in this state. Will Baylor ever be national title contenders, I doubt it, but I believe they can become what Iowa State was this past year and a few years ago with Senica Wallace, and that is a good football team.

[eagleike]

Please get your facts straight before making comments like "they have been up and coming for 30 years". Baylor was more than competitve during the 90's but had a real probelm during the K. Steele era.

But that time is over and the program is definitely on the move. You should look to Baylor to get a little polish for yourself.

Back in my day, playing Baylor was no joke. Baylor was a fierce, hard nosed football prgram that pumped out more NFL players than Texas or Texas A&M.

Despite all your unwarranted hatred Baylor will turn around. The football program will be on the level as their tennis, baseball, women's basketball teams. The track program is also at an elite level.

[wide-e-wide]

Please get your facts straight before making comments like "they have been up and coming for 30 years". Baylor was more than competitve during the 90's but had a real probelm during the K. Steele era.

But that time is over and the program is definitely on the move. You should look to Baylor to get a little polish for yourself.

Back in my day, playing Baylor was no joke. Baylor was a fierce, hard nosed football prgram that pumped out more NFL players than Texas or Texas A&M.

Despite all your unwarranted hatred Baylor will turn around. The football program will be on the level as their tennis, baseball, women's basketball teams. The track program is also at an elite level.

The football program will be on the same level as women's basketball?
So they are gonna win a national championship?
Please place the crack pipe down and step slowly away from the
keyboard.And if Baylor was competitive in the '90's how many conference
titles did they win? Your the typical Baylor fan that accepts
mediocre results....and until that mindset is changed...they will never
be taken seriously.

And exactly who were all of these NFL stars that Baylor was pumping out?
Mike Singletary and Thomas Everett....who else?

[farmerfan]

During the late 80's-early 90's, you could find Baylor ranked within the top 25, in fact the last confrence title they won was not to long ago, it was 94, only two years further removed from when Texas won their last one. Given the time and the patience, Baylor will find themselves among a 7-8 win type of team, if Iowa State can do it, why cant Baylor?

[wide-e-wide]

Dude, did you just use Baylor and UT in the same sentence?
That sentence alone should get you banned from not only the
site but the internet period. Look at the records brainiac...

Now don't you agree that was a dumb comparison.

[farmerfan]

I answered your question as far as confrence titles go. Baylor last won on in 94. Maybe your ignorance never should have led you to being able to post on this board in the first place. I am still wating for a answer on the OU qb topic to a question it looks as if you are avoiding. You just seem to be the typical bandwagon type of fan, loving Texas now but probably would not be seen during the early 90's or 97.
In fact I would be willing to take a wager that you are the one, who walks into a bar, after reading the morning paper and listening to a few minutes of sports radio, engages in a converstaion using only what you read that day and try to engage in a deabte, realizing that you cant win or do not have the knowledge needed to continue the debate and then just start attacking on personal issues.

[wide-e-wide]

What's the question about OU I will answer it....

As far as me being a bandwagon fan...I seriously doubt.
I've been a Longhorn fan since birth. I wasn't given much choice.
My Dad has a freakin' concrete Bevo painted burnt orange in his front
yard. I've been a fan for well over 20 years.

As far as me walking into a bar..yadda,yadda,yadda...
I challenge you to engage in any sports subject with me and
see if I have to borrow anybody's else's opinions or words.
I am what they call a fanatic. Pack0808 will agree with that...we
have been at each other's throats for 20+ years about anything from the
Steelers to Mike Scott being over-rated. You got me pegged wrong brother...waaaaay wrong. I know my (bleep)...

FYI...I don't walk into a bar to talk sports. I walk into a bar to drink.
You won't have any trouble finding witnesses to that.

[Texasfrog]

The football program will be on the same level as women's basketball?
So they are gonna win a national championship?
Please place the crack pipe down and step slowly away from the
keyboard.And if Baylor was competitive in the '90's how many conference
titles did they win? Your the typical Baylor fan that accepts
mediocre results....and until that mindset is changed...they will never
be taken seriously.

And exactly who were all of these NFL stars that Baylor was pumping out?
Mike Singletary and Thomas Everett....who else?

RB- Walter Ambercrombie & DE-Santana Dotson are two that just pop into my head. They both had a few All-Pro seasons in the NFL in the 90's.

Gary Baxter & Fred Miller have been playing solid NFL football the last few years as Starters.

Not saying that Baylor has put out the NFL talent like UT. But, they've had their share of pretty darn good players.

[wide-e-wide]

at least their not aggy...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/bogthekid/mini-DSC01790.jpg

[eagleike]

wide-e-wide:

Just can't let your ignorant statement go unchallenged:

First of all, I am not like all Baylor fans. I am not even a Baylor supporter, other than I always pull for Texas schools to be successful in all aspects of academics and athletics.

Second, you must not be much of a football fan if you think Singletary and Everret were the only NFL players from Baylor. I played for the Steelers in the early 80's and we had 3 Baylor running backs on the team. As a matter of fact Baylor was known to be the running back factory around the NFL.

Let me name JUST the running backs for you:

Steve Howell
Greg Hawthorne
Walter Abercrombie
Frank Pollard
Dennis Gentry
Broderick Sargent
Ben Gay
Allen Rice
Alfred Anderson
Robert Strait

[wide-e-wide]

wide-e-wide:

Just can't let your ignorant statement go unchallenged:

First of all, I am not like all Baylor fans. I am not even a Baylor supporter, other than I always pull for Texas schools to be successful in all aspects of academics and athletics.

Second, you must not be much of a football fan if you think Singletary and Everret were the only NFL players from Baylor. I played for the Steelers in the early 80's and we had 3 Baylor running backs on the team. As a matter of fact Baylor was known to be the running back factory around the NFL.

Let me name JUST the running backs for you:

Steve Howell
Greg Hawthorne
Walter Abercrombie
Frank Pollard
Dennis Gentry
Broderick Sargent
Ben Gay
Allen Rice
Alfred Anderson
Robert Strait


That's a pretty impressive list of bums you got there Ike...
No wonder they shut down that "running back factory"
The NFL was obviously unhappy with the product it was putting out.

Now mind you this comparison does not even include Priest Holmes,Metcalf I or II, just two little 'ol Longhorn backs that absolutely smash your entire list combined.

Your list of backs total----- 702 games played
12,337 rushing yards
86 TD's
COMBINED!!!!

My list:

Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams----185 games played
15,761 rush yards
115 TD's

Quite a factory Baylor had...look at those numbers...that's just ridiculous.
Now who has a running back factory?

I'll add Dotson to the list...but like I said Singletary and Everrett...that's it.

[wide-e-wide]

Let me bring this thread back to the top...EagleIke where you at dawg?
Since I'm ignorant and don't know my facts....

running back factory....OMG that made me laugh again.

[dragonsdaddy]

widee, does ray crockett count as a player you might want on any nfl team ever? i'm guessing he might, and for a long time.

[eagleike]

wide-e-wide;

Your hatred for Baylor obviously has some deep seeded roots...........possibly over-looked and not offered a scholarship by the Bears?

This discussion started because you.........wide-e-wide...... made an ignorant statement:..........there were only two NFL players from Baylor.......obviously not true.

Hey, no one was trying to compare Baylor to UT. You seem to want to add that to the discussion. But I am not taking the bait. Baylor has had its share of NFL players over the years and up until the Steele era held its own on the playing field with just about everyone, including..............oh my God........yes.........UT :eek: :eek:

Why don't you stop your hating and support all of Texas state football?

Oh.........by the way.........I still say Baylor had more NFL running backs than UT. Obviously not when you single out the top few but total volume......I am sticking with the Bears.

AND don't get me started on the 2005 season sweep by Baylor over the Longhorn baseball team :p

[eagleike]

And hell..............wide-e-wide.........just for the sake of argument:

I also throw O-linemen on the table and possibly DB's...........Baylor versus UT.................let's get it on little brother.

Who had the most O-linemen play in the NFL? Want to take a guess? :p

[wide-e-wide]

Don't know...right off hand.
I'll research and get back to you Ike.
I'm not trying to be arrogant, honestly.
This is fun. I'll be back with some stats...
who knows you might be right...

Little brother? That's cool...I always wanted an older
brother. I only had a sister...and she beat the crap outta
me and locked me in the closet...but that's an entirely different
thread.

[Texasfrog]

That's a pretty impressive list of bums you got there Ike...
No wonder they shut down that "running back factory"
The NFL was obviously unhappy with the product it was putting out.

Now mind you this comparison does not even include Priest Holmes,Metcalf I or II, just two little 'ol Longhorn backs that absolutely smash your entire list combined.

Your list of backs total----- 702 games played
12,337 rushing yards
86 TD's
COMBINED!!!!

My list:

Earl Campbell and Ricky Williams----185 games played
15,761 rush yards
115 TD's

Quite a factory Baylor had...look at those numbers...that's just ridiculous.
Now who has a running back factory?

I'll add Dotson to the list...but like I said Singletary and Everrett...that's it.

The only Baylor RB on that list to really have All-Pro type of seasons in the NFL was Walter Ambercrombie (Pittsburg Steelers). He had a few 1,000 yard seasons.

Alfred Anderson also had a few good NFL seasons as a backup. I think he had a few 500 yd seasons in the NFL.

[wide-e-wide]

Okay Ike...here goes.
NFL.com only went back to 1982 with their draft history.

Baylor-

YEAR Round Pick#
1983 2 45 Randy Grimes C Tampa Bay
1983 7 191 Mark Kirchner T Pittsburgh
1986 11 283 Mark Cochran T Houston
1987 6 154 John Adickes C Chicago
1988 10 273 Joel Porter G Chicago
1996 5 141 Fred Miller T St. Louis
1999 5 154 Derrick Fletcher G New England
1999 7 243 Kelvin Garmon G Dallas

Total O-lineman selected a whopping 8!!!

THE University of Texas Longhorns-

Year Round Pick#
1982 2 39 Terry Tausch G Minnesota
1982 5 115 Mike Baab C Cleveland
1982 7 181 Joe Shearin C L.A. Rams
1984 2 45 Doug Dawson G St. Louis
1984 8 214 David Jones C Detroit
1984 9 243 Adam Schreiber C Seattle
1984 10 276 Kirk McJunkin T Pittsburgh
1986 3 59 Gene Chilton C St. Louis
1986 8 218 John Stuart T Miami
1986 10 269 Bryan Chester G Dallas
1988 6 141 Paul Jetton C Cincinnati
1990 5 127 Ken Hackemack T Kansas City
1991 1 22 Stan Thomas T Chicago
1992 4 110 Chuck Johnson G Denver
1996 5 139 John Elmore G New England
1997 3 67 Dan Neil G Denver
1999 4 125 Jay Humphrey T Minnesota
2001 1 2 Leonard Davis T Arizona
2002 1 4 Mike Williams T Buffalo
2003 3 81 Derrick Dockery G Washington

Total O-lineman drafted 20!!!

I'll dig a little deeper and try and find the numbers Pre-'82.
Take my word for it...you don't want to do total number of picks...It's
not even close...

Hook 'em!!!

[Texasfrog]

I forgot Chuck Johnson got drafted. I played against him in HS and thought he was a big ole baby. "Wow !" Memories come flooding back almost 20 years later. He was a big ole baby though !!!! But, he was BIG.

[eagleike]

I am so glad you did all that research for me.........wide-e-wide..........because I think as you dig a little deeper you will find that Baylor has had a little more football talent over the years than just Singletary and Thomas E.


That was my whole point in the first place..........give the Bears a little credit for their history and even if you are not a fan, give some support as a Texas football fan............and hope they do well against all competitors............well except against your beloved Longhorns. :)

And you can add these guys to your 80's and on Baylor list:

David Sledge
Arland Thompson
Keith Bishop
Billy Glass
Ronnie Lee
Mark Addickes

[eagleike]

Texas Frog:

I believe Alfred Anderson was NFL Rookie of the Year. I didn't do any research, but my memory says he was.

[Texasfrog]

Texas Frog:

I believe Alfred Anderson was NFL Rookie of the Year. I didn't do any research, but my memory says he was.

He could of been. He had some good seasons in the NFL from what I remember. He was really good at Baylor also. His without a doubt one of the top 4 "RB's" to ever play at Baylor. I remember Alfred Anderson as an All-around style RB that could beat you running the ball and catching it out of the backfield also. Heck, he was almost a better WR than RB really.

I'll have to look that up and see if he was NFL "ROY". I dont remember...

[Texasfrog]

I am so glad you did all that research for me.........wide-e-wide..........because I think as you dig a little deeper you will find that Baylor has had a little more football talent over the years than just Singletary and Thomas E.


That was my whole point in the first place..........give the Bears a little credit for their history and even if you are not a fan, give some support as a Texas football fan............and hope they do well against all competitors............well except against your beloved Longhorns. :)

And you can add these guys to your 80's and on Baylor list:

David Sledge
Arland Thompson
Keith Bishop
Billy Glass
Ronnie Lee
Mark Addickes

I think some of these players were more USFL players than NFL players from what I remember. But, I could be wrong.

[Texasfrog]

Texas Frog:

I believe Alfred Anderson was NFL Rookie of the Year. I didn't do any research, but my memory says he was.
Alfred Anderson

RB -- Baylor

Playing Stats
Season Team(s) Games Rushing Receiving Fumbles Total
Points
Rush Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD
1984 MIN 16 201 773 3.8 2 17 102 6.0 1 8 18
1985 MIN 12 50 121 2.4 4 16 175 10.9 1 0 30
1986 MIN 16 83 347 4.2 2 17 179 10.5 2 3 24
1987 MIN 10 68 319 4.7 2 7 69 9.9 0 1 12
1988 MIN 16 87 300 3.4 7 23 242 10.5 1 3 48
1989 MIN 11 52 189 3.6 2 20 193 9.7 0 3 12
1990 MIN 11 59 207 3.5 2 13 80 6.2 0 1 12
1991 MIN 16 26 118 4.5 1 1 2 2.0 0 0 6
Career 108 626 2,374 3.8 22 114 1,042 9.1 5 19 162

These are Aflred Anderson NFL numbers. Not bad.. he played 8 years in the League and was a steady backup RB that had alot of different skills. No doubt he was a GREAT college player at Baylor.

Good CALL !!! Alfred Anderson was the 1984 NFL Rookie of the Year.

I totally forgot about that... the sad thing is it looks like that was his best year in the NFL. Oh well, he was a great player.

[wide-e-wide]

Ike...while I appreciate your Texas spirit...I could never
bring myself to root for any team within the Big XII other
that UT. Just can't do it. I'm one of those guys that says
"if your my enemy...your always my enemy"
It would be like asking me to salute an air force officer.
why?
It's hard to explain.
The only way I would ever root for bible aggy is if they were
playing ou....that's it.

[eagleike]

Not USFL:

Arland Thompson- Chicago Bears
Keith Bishop- Denver Broncos
Billy Glass- Cincinnati Bengals
Ronnie Lee- Miami Dolphins
Mark Addickes- KC Chiefs

[wide-e-wide]

Those are all household names that's for sure.

[eagleike]

Once again, wide-e-wide, just letting you make your own ignorant statement look even more ignorant.

[wide-e-wide]

I would say the guy that continues to post lists of bums would
be the ignorant one. Shall I post a list of UT players? Didn't think so....

[eagleike]

wide-e-wide says:

"And exactly who were all of these NFL stars that Baylor was pumping out?
Mike Singletary and Thomas Everett....who else?"

I think we have answered that question...............once again not trying to compare to the mighty Longhorns.........just answering your question.

And oh by the way, wide-e-wide:

Just how many NFL games have YOU played in? You played in the NFL right?..............................Oh? Just as I thought :rolleyes:

[wide-e-wide]

THE KEY WORD IS STARS!!! not just players...stars...
I have played in zero NFL games.
But I have contributed a boat-load of money (tickets,jerseys,etc...)
Therefore I can state my opinion...
That and the whole America free speech thing.

[eagleike]

Since I have been there I can say that any football player that beats the odds and makes an NFL roster is a STAR.

You can state your opinion all you want but try to think before you put your foot in your mouth from now on.

Be proud of all the Texas athletes who go on and make it. Whether they played at UT, Baylor, or any other school.

UT has a great program and tradition and by you hating on other schools like Baylor tarnishes that tradition.

[wide-e-wide]

How did I put my foot in my mouth?
I have smashed every single point you haver brought up.
Your the one that looks like an *** for defending one of the
worst football programs in the nation.

[eagleike]

The only "***" on this board is you, wide-e-wide. I am not defending Baylor.............just commenting on your observation that Baylor had only two NFL players...............I think you realize now that you are at the minimum being hard-headed and possibly just plain stupid by making comments like that.

And to say that anyone who has reached the pinnacle of their profession is a bum is ignorant. ANY football player who makes an NFL roster is a STAR, but since you never played I can see where that might be real foreign to you.

Let's just end this conversation since your hatred of all players and teams other than UT has blinded you.

Good luck to UT against Ohio State in Sept. The Horns are going to need it.

[wide-e-wide]

So Marinovich was a star? no he was a bum...
So Ryan Leaf was a star? no he was a bum...
the list goes on and on...
Every player who has ever made it to the NFL is not a star...
That is stupid and I think I will have tons of people who will agree
with me on that.
I stick with my original statement ...Singletary and Everett...
And a laundry list of bums that averaged about 100 yards more per
season than I did...and like you stated, I never even played in the NFL.

And for the record I admire a boat-load of NFL players past and present that
didn't play for UT. My current favorite Roy Williams is a Sooner for God's sake...So my hatred isn't for every team...Just the ones that accept mediocre results year after year and try and pretend that they are contending. They are a joke and you are a joke for defending them.

Good luck to the Baylor football team next season...
Against everybody...they are gonna need it...well maybe not against aggy.

[dragonsdaddy]

again wide, why wouldn't you choose ray crockett to shut down at the cb spot on your team? i'm wondering who he fooled to stick around so long.

[wide-e-wide]

Maybe I wouldn't choose him...because in 1989 a certain CB came out of Florida St. and I would rather have him. Now if I'm Detroit and I have very little money and a 4th round pick...I might take a guy that is 5' 9 1/2, and comes from a mediocre program.

[dragonsdaddy]

and he might play forever and make several all-pro teams. there are exactly 0 nfl teams that he wouldn't have started for for 10 years or more. you may disagree, but it would be proof that the hamms was on sale today at skinny's.

[wide-e-wide]

I don't even know what the hell Hamms is...I drink Miller Lite.
And I never go to Skinny's because most of them are dumps and too
expensive.

[Texasfrog]

again wide, why wouldn't you choose ray crockett to shut down at the cb spot on your team? i'm wondering who he fooled to stick around so long.

I believe Ray Crockett was the starting CB for several Superbowl teams at Denver. So, he must of been playing at a pretty high level.

Also.. OL-Fred Miller was considered the top O-lineman for the Titans for several seasons when Eddie George was having many of his best rushing seasons.

I'm a huge UT fan,, but I cant deny the fact that Baylor has put some pretty solid players into the NFL. Baylor biggest problem over that past decade is "Depth of talent." They always have a few players on the team that have NFL ability, they just dont have alot of them at one time like UT, A&M and OU always seem to have.

[wide-e-wide]

Larry Brown started at CB for the Cowboys for a couple of Super Bowls...
'nuff said...

[dragonsdaddy]

wide, expand your horizons. there are several beers that may be more filling but do in fact taste great. having said that, i suggest everyone else drink beer that i don't like so they'll lower the price on those that i do like. supply and demand you know. btw, i have kept my inactive reserve card so i can still run over to carswell for a haircut and the beer prices(lack of taxes really).

[eagleike]

wide-e-wide:

You may not know squat about football but at least you drink the right beer :D ............... So you probably aren't as stupid as your posts make you seem.

You know in some people's mind UT might be mediocre for not doing more with their talent, faciilities, fan support, etc.

No Big 12 championships since Mack took over? No national championship? In the circles that UT is trying to run finishing second every year ain't good enough to make a claim of great. Sounds mediocre to me.

There is nothing worse in my mind than having great potential and not utilizing that potential.

[dragonsdaddy]

now ike, you have struck a nerve in some but some are more easily satisfied and remember the true definition of mediocrity that they suffered in the pm days.

[stevefoxsc]

baylor will see success when they can get past those loved Texas long horns but i dont ever see that happening :D

[wide-e-wide]

wide, expand your horizons. there are several beers that may be more filling but do in fact taste great. having said that, i suggest everyone else drink beer that i don't like so they'll lower the price on those that i do like. supply and demand you know. btw, i have kept my inactive reserve card so i can still run over to carswell for a haircut and the beer prices(lack of taxes really).

Me too..but the beer at Ft. Hood isn't that much cheaper than the beer at HEB. Yeah, I think everybody should drink Bud Light...maybe they will drop the price on Miller Lite...Last week at HEB they had the fridge pack 12pk for
$4.99...that's 10 bucks a case...I bought a few.

[wide-e-wide]

wide-e-wide:

You may not know squat about football but at least you drink the right beer :D ............... So you probably aren't as stupid as your posts make you seem.

You know in some people's mind UT might be mediocre for not doing more with their talent, faciilities, fan support, etc.

No Big 12 championships since Mack took over? No national championship? In the circles that UT is trying to run finishing second every year ain't good enough to make a claim of great. Sounds mediocre to me.

There is nothing worse in my mind than having great potential and not utilizing that potential.

I almost agree with you on that...And maybe if we were sitting and talking about this...drinking a cold Miller Lite...I would. It's the choice of the Tejano generation 'ya know?

[Texasfrog]

Larry Brown started at CB for the Cowboys for a couple of Super Bowls...
'nuff said...

Like I said Wide.. Ray Crockett was the starting CB for a few Superbowl teams so he must of been doing something right.. "NUFF SAID."

On top of having a pretty solid and long NFL starting career. I think he was a NFL starting CB for about 8 seasons. If you think his a second-rate DB you would be wrong. I'll give Ray Crockett his respect and if he as on UT team back in the early 90's he would of been a starting DB at Texas.

Every year Baylor has about 3 to 4 kids that if they were on UT's team they would be starters for UT.

I agree with you that UT has three times the legit bigtime athletes as Baylor. But, heck what do you expect ? Its U.T. !!!

But, Baylor over the years has put some pretty talented athletes out on the football field. They just dont have the depth to compete very well in the Big-12. But, I do expect Baylor over the next few years to turn the program around and become a lower tier Bowl team.

[wide-e-wide]

If my Grandmother had (bleep) she would have been my Grandpa.

[SV05champs]

I heard it was mainly for baseball, though. That's a waste because he's an awesome football player.


Your right, but they offered football as well, but he took the baseball money, but is going to play both. Either way would have been the same (full ride). And if neither of those were taken he could have taken the academic money (top 5 in class). Parents, mold your children this way! 3 options for 100% ride to school...

[SV05champs]

If my Grandmother had (bleep) she would have been my Grandpa.

Yea she would have! Just a tranny granny.

[vonfore]

in my opinion, I think in order for Baylor to sucessfully compete year after year, especially in football and basketball, they will have to leave the Big 12 for Conference USA or the WAC

Baylor will never be able to compete in the big 12, especially in the south against UT, OU, A&M, Tech, and OSU....yeah, they did get over on A&M last year, who overlooked Baylor since they had OU coming up the next weekend, but Baylor cant even compete with the weak sisters in the north....Iowa St, Kansas, Missouri, K-state, Colorado and Nebraska.

I just think they would serve themselves better by dropping down to a weaker conference. Even though the talent wont be as good, they will be able to compete, especially in football and basketball, and the sports that they are already good in (tennis, womens basketball, baseball and track) they would be able to own those sports

However, since Baylor strives to be just like UT, moving out of the Big 12 into any other conference except the SEC, would be a drop in class and the suits in Waco wouldnt want to be considered the best of the weaklings.

[PonyExpress81]

Guy will always have a hard time in Texas, Staff is old school & out of date hard *%@&!! coaches. I know couple players who were invited up to Waco in the Spring to watch workout and get the Campus Tour. They watched 3 fights during practice, one player threw helmet at his coach. Had to run to the fence - "should have put his butt on a bus ride home". Both recruits stood on the sideline with the team during practice scrimmage, said most of the players around them would have been in jail if they were'nt wearing football uniforms. Guy has got to recruit some players with some moral & academic ability as well as physical talent. get rid of the street ball players and get some real quality athletes on & off the field. Use Boise State as an example, hardly a NFL physical caliber player on the team but they know how to get the job done - study the game as hard as you practice the physical side. Too many whats in it for me players on the Bears Team. Baylor is a great school and deserves a winner, Coach Morris has the know how but he needs to clean house (some players & several staff members).

[wide-e-wide]

If I played for Baylor I would throw my helmet too.

[raidercheerdad]

The football program will be on the same level as women's basketball?
So they are gonna win a national championship?
Please place the crack pipe down and step slowly away from the
keyboard.And if Baylor was competitive in the '90's how many conference
titles did they win? Your the typical Baylor fan that accepts
mediocre results....and until that mindset is changed...they will never
be taken seriously.

And exactly who were all of these NFL stars that Baylor was pumping out?
Mike Singletary and Thomas Everett....who else?Alfred Anderson, Walter Abercrombie, Frank Pollard, Van McElroy, Santana Dotson, Gary Baxter, etc. look it up - bonehead! And if my memory serves me correctly, Mark Addickes was originally drafted in the USFL as the first Million Dollar offensive lineman!

[wide-e-wide]

Read the entire post bonehead! I researched the stats on all of those bums and a few more just for (bleeps) and giggles...and what do 'ya know...not very impressive to say the least. Get back to me after you read the whole story. And can you clarify?....aren't all of our heads made of bone?