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KT2000

01-09-2007, 07:46 AM

We will see a playoff system sooner rather than later (within 4-5 years) in my opinion.

It's really gotten ridiculous now. I think at least 8 teams will be involved in the playoff. No more 40-50 day layoffs and award BS before the season ends.

too playa

01-09-2007, 08:38 AM

I agree..there were about 5-6 teams that can make cases for being the best.... and probably at least 4 would come from the SEC.:eek:

Favpack

01-09-2007, 08:40 AM

An NCAA spokesman (can't remember his name) this morning said it won't happen during Fox's current 5 year contract. He did say a "1+" series is likely - this would be a four-team format. Hey, better than what we have now. Yeah, Corso was saying tOSU was bothered by being off for 53 days. Ya' think!??

KT2000

01-09-2007, 09:08 AM

ThEgReAtOnE

01-09-2007, 09:32 AM

53 days of hearing/believing everyone tell them how good they were. Michigan was their national championship. Florida had a long lay off as well. The Buckeyes got it handed to them plain and simple.

Boise State could have been the football version of George Mason in a playoff format.

Could've, but I seriously doubt it. Florida playing a team like tOSU and Boise State playing a team like tOSU are 2 totally different things. I love OU, but they are barely a Top 10 team. Same can be said for Boise State. Until a Senior-rich, BStU club, proves it by beating someone other than a Sophmore-rich, OU club - with a Trick play, in OT - I wont recognize BStU as anything other than a Cindarella team, whose stars aligned.

Florida, LSU, USC, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia, California, Auburn, Arkansas and Wisconsin are at least 7 pts better than OU. I think OU beats BStU 9 out of 10 times. (That 1 time coming on Jan 1st.) That said...there's no way BStU would beat any of the listed teams.

But...in a Playoff System, it WOULD be validated. So maybe it's not half-bad to go ahead and prove the point.

KT2000

01-09-2007, 09:55 AM

Before there can be a playoff, they need to sort out the conference championships. I believe either all conferences should play a title game, or none of them should.

wide-e-wide

01-09-2007, 10:01 AM

My prediction:

There will be a only one state champion in 5a Texas football before the NCAA adopts a playoff system. Which is 3 or 4 years from never,ever,ever going to happen.

ThEgReAtOnE

01-09-2007, 10:02 AM

Before there can be a playoff, they need to sort out the conference championships. I believe either all conferences should play a title game, or none of them should.

Teams should also help prove themselves worthy by scheduling tougher opposition. The tougher, the better! (IMO)

That way, WAC, C-USA and Sunbelt Champions don't coast on a soft schedule, then hoot and holler about their being overlooked. (Whether they win their conference or not.)

Favpack

01-09-2007, 10:14 AM

"ESPN is biased toward the Big Ten because it has a contract with Big Ten football" (not to mention Herby) -- Colin Cowherd - ESPN radio

pack0808

01-09-2007, 10:33 AM

"ESPN is biased toward the Big Ten because it has a contract with Big Ten football" (not to mention Herby) -- Colin Cowherd - ESPN radio

Biased? I am doubting that?

Favpack

01-09-2007, 11:05 AM

Biased? I am doubting that?

The only true bias I see is toward Notre Dame.

pack0808

01-09-2007, 01:23 PM

The only true bias I see is toward Notre Dame.

I definitely see that

dada

01-09-2007, 01:33 PM

The only true bias I see is toward Notre Dame.

True...I heard something on the radio this morning that made A LOT of sense. They said the reson Notre Dame is 0-9 in bowl games the last 9 years is because the media is in love with them and expect much out of them. They said that the Irish were an "Outback Bowl" team playing in BCS games and it shows when they play top teams from top confrences. With the loss of Samarjda and Quinn....the Irisih can go 10-2 next year and be in a BCS game on their name alone....the media love fest already started at the Army highschool allstar game.

We NEED a playoff...this isnt fair....half of the championship game was decided LAST YEAR. Ohio St was given the #1 slot after the Notre Dame(Media darling) game last year and the title game was theirs to lose which left 130 odd plus teams fighting for #2. That isnt fair at all.....do you know how close we were to watching an OSU-Michigan rematch for the NATIONAL TITLE....What if Arkansas had won the SEC? I can bet that they wouldnt have been in the title game....Right now...next years title game is USC's to loose......they cycle continues.

HUM398

01-09-2007, 02:01 PM

The only true bias I see is toward Notre Dame.

and USC

dada

01-09-2007, 02:06 PM

They love Pete Carrol and Charlie Weiss.....Dave Wanstat(sp) at Pitt was pretty to them for awhile too. CASH COWS........some schools are struggling to keep the athletic departments alive.....but in the SAME "League", some coaches are making 5 or 6 million. Not fair at all. Playing field isnt even. This is the NCAA....but for some reason...like the pros...it all comes down to MONEY. A conference USA team will never win the BCS title, not because they arent good enough, but because they cant AFFORD IT....:mad:

HUM398

01-09-2007, 02:10 PM

BAMF cowboy

01-09-2007, 03:36 PM

elprezidente

01-09-2007, 04:00 PM

Favpack

01-09-2007, 04:16 PM

Yeah - looks like 2010 is the year.

dada

01-09-2007, 04:19 PM

not that there is any C-USA team that is that calibur right now, but i agree in the long run.

You never know...that's why you need a playoff.....Who's to say that a Hawaii can't beat an Ohio St....

dragonsdaddy

01-09-2007, 04:27 PM

You never know...that's why you need a playoff.....Who's to say that a Hawaii can't beat an Ohio St....

the way tOSU played last night, not many would say it was any less likely than sv losing in round 1, or rr going to the semis. give me a po, now.

dada

01-09-2007, 04:30 PM

the way tOSU played last night, not many would say it was any less likely than sv losing in round 1, or rr going to the semis. give me a po, now.

And like I said earlier....Florida BARLEY made it to the title game....It could have been USC or Michigan.....I'm glad Florida beat the crap out of them.....

stevefoxsc

01-09-2007, 06:58 PM

kt how right you are, florida basically got in due to usc screwing up.

lets look at bcs controversy.

As noted from wikipedia.org

Among the criticism of the BCS (and the bowl system in general) is the fact that the final ranking of Division I-A NCAA football teams is decided by arbitrary and subjective standards. Opponents of the current system believe that the “champion” of the largest and most popular collegiate sport should be decided on the field, in a head-to-head match-up. The BCS was especially criticized and deemed controversial in both the 2003-2004 and 2004-2005 seasons. In 2003, five teams (three from BCS conferences) finished the regular season with one loss, with no unbeaten team, while in the following season, the same number of teams (again with three from BCS conferences) finished the regular season unbeaten. In both seasons, the three teams from BCS conferences had legitimate cases for playing in the BCS title game. Most recently, additional controversy has come from the decision by the Associated Press to prohibit the BCS from using their rankings in the BCS formula, and by ESPN choosing to remove itself from the USA Today coaches poll.

Much of the controversy stirred by the BCS arises simply from the fact that there is a single national championship game. As such, the formulas must be used to determine which two teams are the most deserving teams to play for the national championship. In some minds, the two top teams in the nation are not always clear-cut choices. The most recent year in which there were only two undefeated Division I-A teams at the end of the regular season was 2006, when Ohio State and Boise State both finished the regular season undefeated.

Another criticism of the system is that it is often accused of institutionalized bias towards the six BCS conferences (and Notre Dame, which is independent) at the deliberate expense of the five non-BCS conferences. Since its implementation, five non-BCS conference Division I-A teams have finished the regular season undefeated (Tulane in 1998, Marshall in 1999, Utah in 2004, and Boise State in 2004 and 2006) without being given an opportunity to win the title, making it impossible (the AP title may be awarded to any team that the nationwide pollsters feel is best in the nation) for a non-BCS conference team to compete for the national title regardless of their achievements on the field. (In fact, Marshall, despite being ranked #11 that year, was in danger of not going to ANY bowl game if they had lost the MAC Championship.) It has sometimes been claimed that this was done deliberately in order to prevent a repeat of an event like Brigham Young's controversial national title in 1984 and that the larger conferences felt that their dominance was being threatened. It is also believed that this bias is designed to adversely affect recruitment to non-BCS schools in favor of BCS schools, intended to create a qualitative downward spiral and a de facto "two-tier" Division I-A.

Some schools, such as Louisville and Cincinnati, moved to BCS conferences primarily in order to avoid this bias. The primary reason given that non-BCS conference champions are not given automatic berths to BCS bowls, or are not ranked high enough for a BCS Championship Game, is the assertion that non-BCS schools play easier schedules. However, advice that non-BCS programs should strengthen their schedules by scheduling games against quality, non-conference opponents is disingenuous given that top BCS programs generally decline to schedule regular season games with top non-BCS programs. Top BCS programs generally prefer to schedule their non-conference games against other top BCS programs because win or lose it is considered to be a "quality" win or loss than a game against a non-BCS team.

[edit] 1998-99 season

The first year of the BCS ended in controversy when Kansas State finished third in the final BCS standings but was passed over for participation in BCS bowl games in favor of Ohio State (ranked 4th) and Florida (ranked 8th). The following season, the BCS adopted the "Kansas State Rule," which provides that the 3rd ranked team (or 4th ranked team if the 3rd ranked team has already qualified as a conference champion) in the final BCS standings is ensured of an invitation to a BCS bowl game.

The following season, Kansas State finished 6th in the BCS standings but again received no invitation, this time being passed over in favor of Michigan (ranked 8th). Kansas State's predicament (as well as that of undefeated Tulane who was denied a BCS bid because they played in Conference USA) demonstrated early on the arbitrary nature of invitations to BCS bowl games. To be fair, however, the BCS system was designed to select the top two teams but left the remainder of discretion to the participating bowls themselves (subject to the above modifications as time went on).

[edit] 2000-01 season

One-loss Florida State was chosen to play undefeated Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl for the national championship, despite their one loss coming to another one loss team, the Miami Hurricanes, that was ranked #2 in both human polls. Adding to the confusion, Miami's one loss came to yet another one loss team, the 10-1 Washington Huskies, leaving three teams with a legitamate claim to play Oklahoma in the National Championship game.

Florida State lost to Oklahoma 13-2, after Florida State was finally able to score on a safety with minutes to go in the game. Washington and Miami both easily won their bowl games, adding more fuel to the fire. As a result of the controversy, the BCS was tweaked in the off-season. A "quality-win" bonus was added to the formula, giving extra credit for beating a top ten team.

[edit] 2001-02 season

In another controversial season, second-ranked Nebraska in the BCS was chosen as a national title game participant despite being ranked #4 in the human polls and not playing in the Big 12 championship game or winning their conference or division. The Huskers went into their last regularly scheduled game at Colorado undefeated, but left Boulder with a 62-36 loss. The Buffaloes went on to win the Big 12 championship game. However, the BCS computers don't take into account time of loss, so one-loss Nebraska came out ahead of two-loss Colorado and one-loss, second-ranked Oregon. Nebraska beat Colorado for the #2 spot in the BCS poll by .05 points. Chants of "Number Four!" were heard throughout the title game held at the Rose Bowl. Nebraska was routed in the game, 37-14, by the Miami Hurricanes. Meanwhile Oregon, the consensus #2 team in both human polls (and #4 in the BCS), routed Colorado in the Fiesta Bowl.

[edit] 2003-04 season

The 2003-2004 season aroused much controversy when three schools from BCS conferences finished the season with one loss (in fact, no I-A Division team finished the season undefeated, something that hadn't happened since 1996, two years before the advent of the BCS). The three schools in question were:

* Oklahoma
* LSU
* USC

Three non-BCS schools also finished with one loss:

* Miami University (Ohio)
* Boise State
* Texas Christian

USC was ranked #1 in both the AP and ESPN-USA Today Coaches poll, but was burdened by a collective 2.67 computer ranking due to an extremely weak schedule. Meanwhile Oklahoma, after an undefeated regular season was beat by Kansas State (35-7) in the Big 12 Championship Game. The loss dropped them to #3 in the human polls (while the computers still had them at #1). LSU had earned a stronger computer ranking than USC and a #2 human poll ranking, and went on to claim the BCS championship (and thus an automatic #1 ranking in the final Coaches Poll) with a 21-14 win over Oklahoma in the Sugar Bowl. USC, which beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, retained its #1 ranking in the AP Poll. Oklahoma (which finished 12-2) had been clearly eliminated from national championship contention, but the split in polls left both LSU (13-1) and USC (12-1) displeased, and resulted in USC naming itself co-champion (based on its final ranking in the AP Poll). This incident has been considered an embarrassment for college football and the BCS in particular.[1]

[edit] 2004-05 season

The 2004-2005 regular season finished with five undefeated teams for the first time since 1979. Despite having perfect records, the Auburn Tigers, Utah Utes, and Boise State Broncos were denied an opportunity to play for the BCS championship. Auburn was left out despite of having the strongest strength of schedule, a factor whose emphasis in the formula had been decreased, possibly because it caused Southern Cal's exclusion a year earlier. Ironically, the PAC-10, which called endlessly for that change, was harmed by it when the at-large bids were issued. The pollsters jumped the Texas Longhorns over the California Golden Bears in the final regular-season poll. Utah did become the first school outside the BCS conferences to play in a BCS bowl game; this was also controversial because they were matched against the Pitt Panthers, the three-loss Big East champion. Utah won the game 35-7.

[edit] 2005-06 season

The 2005-2006 season resulted in few controversies, as USC and Texas went wire-to-wire as the number 1 and number 2-ranked teams, respectively, and played in the Rose Bowl for the BCS title. However, a minor controversy ensued as after all the automatic bids, there were two at-large bids available. The first was taken by fourth-ranked Ohio State Buckeyes. The second was taken by the sixth-ranked Notre Dame Fighting Irish over the fifth-ranked Oregon Ducks, in spite of the fact that Notre Dame had a loss to the unranked Michigan State Spartans in addition to a loss to the first-ranked USC Trojans that both teams shared. This was due to a clause that gave Notre Dame an automatic bid to a BCS bowl game if it finished in the top eight of the BCS rankings, as Notre Dame is unaffiliated with any league. Many felt that Oregon deserved the BCS Bowl Bid and would have provided a better match for OSU. Both Oregon and Notre Dame ended up losing the Holiday and Fiesta Bowls, respectively, making a clear argument either way difficult.

[edit] 2006-07 season

Going into the final poll, undefeated Boise State and four one-loss teams (Louisville, Michigan, Wisconsin and Florida) were up for a spot against undefeated top-ranked Ohio State in the BCS National Championship game. Most fans and pundits did not consider Wisconsin, Louisville, and Boise State contenders because they played significantly weaker schedules than Florida and Michigan. Michigan lost to Ohio State 42-39, in its regular season finale, but was still ranked ahead of Florida going into the final ballot. Florida defeated Arkansas in the SEC Championship Game, leaving Michigan and Florida as one-loss teams who both claimed they deserved to play for the national championship against Ohio State. Many pundits denied that Michigan should get another chance to play Ohio State and Florida coach Urban Meyer lobbied heavily in the press using this argument. Ultimately, the BCS National Championship will be a meeting between Ohio State and Florida. A mere .0101 points separated #2 Florida from #3 Michigan. This small difference was a result of the human polls (USA Today's Coaches' Poll and Harris Interactive Poll) ranking Florida above Michigan while the computer polls had the two teams tied for second. Michigan went to the Rose Bowl, which they lost to USC 32-18.

Because of a BCS rule allowing only two teams from each conference to play in BCS bowl games, highly-ranked Arkansas, Auburn, and Wisconsin were not eligible for selection to a BCS game. Arkansas and Auburn were excluded because LSU and Florida already represented the SEC while Wisconsin was excluded because Ohio State and Michigan represented the Big Ten. The final BCS poll had seven teams from the SEC and the Big Ten ranked in the top twelve but by the rule only two from each conference were eligible to play in BCS bowl games, offering the opportunity to argue either that both conferences are overranked or that the limit of 2 teams from any one conference is inappropriate.

RocketTRN

01-09-2007, 07:03 PM

Could've, but I seriously doubt it. Florida playing a team like tOSU and Boise State playing a team like tOSU are 2 totally different things. I love OU, but they are barely a Top 10 team. Same can be said for Boise State. Until a Senior-rich, BStU club, proves it by beating someone other than a Sophmore-rich, OU club - with a Trick play, in OT - I wont recognize BStU as anything other than a Cindarella team, whose stars aligned.

Florida, LSU, USC, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Louisville, Rutgers, West Virginia, California, Auburn, Arkansas and Wisconsin are at least 7 pts better than OU. I think OU beats BStU 9 out of 10 times. (That 1 time coming on Jan 1st.) That said...there's no way BStU would beat any of the listed teams.

But...in a Playoff System, it WOULD be validated. So maybe it's not half-bad to go ahead and prove the point.

dude get over it, Boise State beat OU and they might have had a chance vs OSU, especially how OSU played