Horse-Collar This

[Sacred Ground]

Has anyone seen any horse-collar tackles this year? I have.
If so, have you seen any flags thrown because of it? I have not.
Apparently, the NFL is watching and dishing out big fines though.


HORSE-COLLAR THIS: Cowboys Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams' tackle of then-Eagle Terrell Owens a few years back prompted the NFL to instill and enforce a no-horse-collar-tackling rule that not only draws a penalty but a fine as well.

Such a rule, however, doesn't necessarily stop the originator of the rule from similar infractions.

FOXSports.com has learned that Williams was fined $10,000 this week by the league office for a horse-collar tackle of Giants RB Tiki Barber on Monday night. Although the penalty wasn't called, the officiating department saw it and levied the fine — Williams' second in two weeks. Last week he was hit with $7,500 for a hit on a defenseless receiver.

Jay Glazer; foxsports.com

[pack0808]

My steelers were called for one today. Aaron Smith. Pretty soon you are going to have to just lay them down and kiss them to avoid a penalty on a tackle.

[BeauxGeezy]

Has anyone seen any horse-collar tackles this year? I have.
If so, have you seen any flags thrown because of it? I have not.
Apparently, the NFL is watching and dishing out big fines though.


HORSE-COLLAR THIS: Cowboys Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams' tackle of then-Eagle Terrell Owens a few years back prompted the NFL to instill and enforce a no-horse-collar-tackling rule that not only draws a penalty but a fine as well.

Such a rule, however, doesn't necessarily stop the originator of the rule from similar infractions.

FOXSports.com has learned that Williams was fined $10,000 this week by the league office for a horse-collar tackle of Giants RB Tiki Barber on Monday night. Although the penalty wasn't called, the officiating department saw it and levied the fine — Williams' second in two weeks. Last week he was hit with $7,500 for a hit on a defenseless receiver.

Jay Glazer; foxsports.com


I saw that tackle on Tiki and just knew they were gonna call it...but they didn't. Roy should know that he of all people is not gonna get away with it.

[dragonfootballfan]

Has anyone seen any horse-collar tackles this year? I have.
If so, have you seen any flags thrown because of it? I have not.
Apparently, the NFL is watching and dishing out big fines though.


HORSE-COLLAR THIS: Cowboys Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams' tackle of then-Eagle Terrell Owens a few years back prompted the NFL to instill and enforce a no-horse-collar-tackling rule that not only draws a penalty but a fine as well.

Such a rule, however, doesn't necessarily stop the originator of the rule from similar infractions.

FOXSports.com has learned that Williams was fined $10,000 this week by the league office for a horse-collar tackle of Giants RB Tiki Barber on Monday night. Although the penalty wasn't called, the officiating department saw it and levied the fine — Williams' second in two weeks. Last week he was hit with $7,500 for a hit on a defenseless receiver.

Jay Glazer; foxsports.com
did they fine the ref for not making the call? I hate that the NFL can look back at the film and fine players, but not the refs.

[yallerjacket]

I remember when they first put the rule in, the way they defined it, the tackle by Williams on Tiki didn't look to be a "horse collar" to me. You could tell when he made the tackle that he made an effort not to pull Tiki backward and actually let up so Tiki would fall forward and not get hurt. The fine is B.S. to me and anybody but Roy wouldn't have been fined.

[WestPlano006]

I want to say this even though it's college related. Being a Sooner and overly protective of AD, I can't believe how many times he had been horse collared this year. Too bad he's gone for now.

[slorch]

I saw that tackle on Tiki and just knew they were gonna call it...but they didn't. Roy should know that he of all people is not gonna get away with it.
3 Cowboy players have initiated rules changes/ penalty interpretations-
1) Michael Irvin- WR pushing off to get seperation( he was so good at this, it rivals Deacon Jones' headslap move that created another rule.) Anyone who thinks the defense is the only side that can take the aggressive side only has to see a few games of Irvin manhandling undersized DBs in an era where handchecking was in vogue.

2) Erick Williams- Offensive hands to the face. After getting abused by Reggie White, Erick added this to his reportoir. He figured it as a great equalizer. The League didn't agree...

3) Roy Williams- horse collar tackle. For a big hitter with long arms, it is great for catching faster opponents on the corner. It costs quite a bit to do it though. Roy, remember what your Pop Warner coach taught you- move your feet!

[BeauxGeezy]

3 Cowboy players have initiated rules changes/ penalty interpretations-
1) Michael Irvin- WR pushing off to get seperation( he was so good at this, it rivals Deacon Jones' headslap move that created another rule.) Anyone who thinks the defense is the only side that can take the aggressive side only has to see a few games of Irvin manhandling undersized DBs in an era where handchecking was in vogue.

2) Erick Williams- Offensive hands to the face. After getting abused by Reggie White, Erick added this to his reportoir. He figured it as a great equalizer. The League didn't agree...

3) Roy Williams- horse collar tackle. For a big hitter with long arms, it is great for catching faster opponents on the corner. It costs quite a bit to do it though. Roy, remember what your Pop Warner coach taught you- move your feet!


You forgot the "Emmitt" rule. Remember when Emmitt would score and immediately take his helmet off and shake it at the crowd?
They made a rule stating that you cannot take your helmet off while on the field.

[HookEm1798]

I hate all these rules they are making that limit players tackling ability. C'mon you can't even tackle a quarterback below the waist, can't tackle a player this way, can't do this. Pretty soon it is going to be a big game of two hand touch where the referee signals whether he got both hands on you or not...pathetic.

[slorch]

I hate all these rules they are making that limit players tackling ability. C'mon you can't even tackle a quarterback below the waist, can't tackle a player this way, can't do this. Pretty soon it is going to be a big game of two hand touch where the referee signals whether he got both hands on you or not...pathetic.
IMO this rule encourages "tackling ability." Taking a bad angle or just flat out getting beat shouldn't be solved by a dangerous tackle.
Now for a real knee slapper, watch an NFL game for the" going low on the QB" call. This, after Carson Palmer was inadvertantly injured when Kemo rolled into his leg, ending the bengals' run last year. This rule is rediculous!

[HookEm1798]

IMO this rule encourages "tackling ability." Taking a bad angle or just flat out getting beat shouldn't be solved by a dangerous tackle.
Now for a real knee slapper, watch an NFL game for the" going low on the QB" call. This, after Carson Palmer was inadvertantly injured when Kemo rolled into his leg, ending the bengals' run last year. This rule is rediculous!

A dangerous tackle? When is a tackle not dangerous? You are ramming yourself into another person sometimes at 98 times the force of gravity. Football is a dangerous sport.

[slorch]

A dangerous tackle? When is a tackle not dangerous? You are ramming yourself into another person sometimes at 98 times the force of gravity. Football is a dangerous sport.
spend 5 minutes at a football practice/ game and tell me there aren't certain tackles that are more dangerous than others, or more likely to cause injury.

Football is dangerous, thanks for stating the obvious.

It is the league's charge AND FINANCIAL INTEREST to keep its players playing. The hosecollar play has shown to be more likely to cause injury than other techniques.