SLC used as example in college course

[Phoenixrising05]

Thought this was cool. A buddy of mine goes to North Texas and said that a professor there used SLC's football team as an example of "goal-setting" on Monday. The course is over organizational behavior and how managers should "motivate" employees and such...anyway the prof used Dodge's theory of the team practicing over thanksgiving as a goal...(related it to how manager's sholuld motivate employees by setting high goals for them...idk) Anyway thought it was cool that a collegiate professor used the Dragons in the classroom of 250+ people.

Sadly, my buddy also mentioned that when the prof said Southlake Carroll a number of people in the class booed lolol Gotta love being the best everyone else hates you haha :cool:

[Mr_Lucci]

Gotta love being the best everyone else hates you haha :cool:


Yeah I know exactly what you mean. It ain't easy being a Judson fan. :rolleyes:

[lonny23]

Thought this was cool. A buddy of mine goes to North Texas and said that a professor there used SLC's football team as an example of "goal-setting" on Monday. The course is over organizational behavior and how managers should "motivate" employees and such...anyway the prof used Dodge's theory of the team practicing over thanksgiving as a goal...(related it to how manager's sholuld motivate employees by setting high goals for them...idk) Anyway thought it was cool that a collegiate professor used the Dragons in the classroom of 250+ people.

Sadly, my buddy also mentioned that when the prof said Southlake Carroll a number of people in the class booed lolol Gotta love being the best everyone else hates you haha :cool:
Yeah, "Don't be like SLC"!:p

Actually, that's cool. Being in a dissertation in Florida is better, though!:D

[Mr_Lucci]

Yeah, "Don't be like SLC"!:p

Actually, that's cool. Being in a dissertation in Florida is better, though!:D


:D

[hawkfan]

Thought this was cool. A buddy of mine goes to North Texas and said that a professor there used SLC's football team as an example of "goal-setting" on Monday. The course is over organizational behavior and how managers should "motivate" employees and such...anyway the prof used Dodge's theory of the team practicing over thanksgiving as a goal...(related it to how manager's sholuld motivate employees by setting high goals for them...idk) Anyway thought it was cool that a collegiate professor used the Dragons in the classroom of 250+ people.

Sadly, my buddy also mentioned that when the prof said Southlake Carroll a number of people in the class booed lolol Gotta love being the best everyone else hates you haha :cool:

:eek: holy crap, i am in that class! lol i dont remember anyone booing, but a lot of people started whispering and snickering. when he first started giving the example he was going to use Plano, but i think he figured we would know more about SLC's recent success more than Plano.

[PackAttack2005]

He must be a Dragon fan. Success is what most Lufkin kids must go through to just play football. SLC players don't face the same adversity. How many SLC players work jobs after school and FB practice?

Anyway, Congrates to SLC on being includes in a professors lecture on building success, because they have been doing that long before they got to 5A. Wasn't the SLC 72 game winng streak in 3A? If not for the 1 point loss to Katy in 2003, they would have a 71 game winning streak going in 5A....not a bad at all.

[BeauxGeezy]

How many SLC players work jobs after school and FB practice?

Working at Starbucks or Mommy's embroidery shop doesn't count.

[LUFPAN]

Working at Starbucks or Mommy's embroidery shop doesn't count.

Is that like working at car dealership in Norman, OK ?

[green day]

I wonder how any student-athlete in season can hold down a part time job with everything going on. Most employers are flexible but school,practice and studies make it pretty tight for anything meaningful. Now, off-season, that's a different thing.

[Sakatha]

Working at Starbucks or Mommy's embroidery shop doesn't count.


I suppose you make the rules regarding what's counted as a real job...

~DnM

[Sakatha]

He must be a Dragon fan. Success is what most Lufkin kids must go through to just play football. SLC players don't face the same adversity. How many SLC players work jobs after school and FB practice?

Anyway, Congrates to SLC on being includes in a professors lecture on building success, because they have been doing that long before they got to 5A. Wasn't the SLC 72 game winng streak in 3A? If not for the 1 point loss to Katy in 2003, they would have a 71 game winning streak going in 5A....not a bad at all.

Get over yourself. You didn't have to take the shot you did. I hope it makes you sleep better at night knowing that you 'work' harder just to play football...

Be careful when you start making comparisons. You have ex-football players who have made headlines recently as future felons...

~DnM

[ScottS]

Ok, just so we can really analyze this, I need to see a complete list of all the SLC and all the Lufkin players that have jobs, the place of employment and the average number of hours they work.

[LUFPAN]

Ok, just so we can really analyze this, I need to see a complete list of all the SLC and all the Lufkin players that have jobs, the place of employment and the average number of hours they work.

Sounds fair to me...

[BeauxGeezy]

I have had enough terrible jobs to say what qualifies as a "real" job. So to answer your question...yes.

[BeauxGeezy]

Get over yourself. You didn't have to take the shot you did. I hope it makes you sleep better at night knowing that you 'work' harder just to play football...

Be careful when you start making comparisons. You have ex-football players who have made headlines recently as future felons...
~DnM


Reeeeeeeeeally?
Oooh looks like PackAttack struck a nerve. Old Sakatha here went straight for the neck didn't he y'all?
Calm down now...this is just a robbery don't make it turn into a homocide.

[Sakatha]

Reeeeeeeeeally?
Oooh looks like PackAttack struck a nerve. Old Sakatha here went straight for the neck didn't he y'all?
Calm down now...this is just a robbery don't make it turn into a homocide.

When some jerk decides his players are 'better' than ours because their work is 'harder', I am gonna respond...

Really kinda sad... Where was this so called 'respect' Lufkin and SLC have for each other in his shot regarding the kids here in Southlake?

Regarding robberies.. I wasn't even refering to that. I was just pointing @ Terrance Kiel... If we want to go ahead and point out all of the examples, though, go for it...

Oh, and this just in... Breaking to law to get ahead isn't hard work. It's idiocy.

~DnM

[svhorns]

When some jerk decides his players are 'better' than ours because their work is 'harder', I am gonna respond...

Really kinda sad... Where was this so called 'respect' Lufkin and SLC have for each other in his shot regarding the kids here in Southlake?

Regarding robberies.. I wasn't even refering to that. I was just pointing @ Terrance Kiel... If we want to go ahead and point out all of the examples, though, go for it...

Oh, and this just in... Breaking to law to get ahead isn't hard work. It's idiocy.

~DnM
hell... Terrance hes the man!:D J/k though... bad stuff he did...

[BeauxGeezy]

When some jerk decides his players are 'better' than ours because their work is 'harder', I am gonna respond...

Really kinda sad... Where was this so called 'respect' Lufkin and SLC have for each other in his shot regarding the kids here in Southlake?

Regarding robberies.. I wasn't even refering to that. I was just pointing @ Terrance Kiel... If we want to go ahead and point out all of the examples, though, go for it...

Oh, and this just in... Breaking to law to get ahead isn't hard work. It's idiocy.

~DnM


I think PackAttack just asked a question. He wanted to know how many SLC players have to work as well as play football. Defensive much??
And I doubt seriously he was talking about Kiel specifically, after all the guy graduated from LHS several years ago.
Way to go after the whole Lufkin team for something an alum did.:rolleyes:

[Drake]

The course is over organizational behavior and how managers should "motivate" employees and such...anyway the prof used Dodge's theory of the team practicing over thanksgiving as a goal...(related it to how manager's sholuld motivate employees by setting high goals for them...idk)So Dodge has a "theory" that if you work on Thanksgiving you become more motivated? I think I'll try that with my employees this year. :rolleyes:

I doubt seriously that its why they practice on Thanksgiving... Just goes to show you... Want to learn something? Skip college...

[battlin'bulldawgs]

I wonder how any student-athlete in season can hold down a part time job with everything going on. Most employers are flexible but school,practice and studies make it pretty tight for anything meaningful. Now, off-season, that's a different thing.

Here, if you apply for a job at the interview they ask if you play football, just because they know you wont have time to work.

[Sakatha]

I think PackAttack just asked a question. He wanted to know how many SLC players have to work as well as play football. Defensive much??
And I doubt seriously he was talking about Kiel specifically, after all the guy graduated from LHS several years ago.
Way to go after the whole Lufkin team for something an alum did.:rolleyes:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight... So when he went on about how Lufkin players have to work just to play, and then followed it RIGHT UP with 'How many SLC players have to work after school or practice', it wasn't 'really' a shot... Oh okay...

And you don't hate 'aggy' either...

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

So Dodge has a "theory" that if you work on Thanksgiving you become more motivated? I think I'll try that with my employees this year. :rolleyes:

I doubt seriously that its why they practice on Thanksgiving... Just goes to show you... Want to learn something? Skip college...
as long as the reason for the work involves a valid, achieveable and positive goal, the thanksgiving is as good as any, no better than any, as Christmas would be for an unachieveable goal, or for no other reason than the chance to practice.

[dragonsdaddy]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight... So when he went on about how Lufkin players have to work just to play, and then followed it RIGHT UP with 'How many SLC players have to work after school or practice', it wasn't 'really' a shot... Oh okay...

And you don't hate 'aggy' either...

~DnM
and he esp doesn't hate sooner, he just hates it when jtk calls him one.

[BeauxGeezy]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight... So when he went on about how Lufkin players have to work just to play, and then followed it RIGHT UP with 'How many SLC players have to work after school or practice', it wasn't 'really' a shot... Oh okay...

And you don't hate 'aggy' either...

~DnM


Do shots at teams usually start with the word "how"???
Looks like a legit question to me.

A shot would be...
Some of Lufkin's players have to work and play football...they're not like those spoiled brats from Southlake that drive around in their Hummers spending Mommy and Daddy's money after practice.

See the difference??

[dragonsdaddy]

Do shots at teams usually start with the word "how"???
Looks like a legit question to me.

A shot would be...
Some of Lufkin's players have to work and play football...they're not like those spoiled brats from Southlake that drive around in their Hummers spending Mommy and Daddy's money after practice.

See the difference??
wide, please don't wet on my leg, and then tell me it's been raining. you are trying to kid a kidder now. everyone knows what he was implying.

[Drake]

as long as the reason for the work involves a valid, achieveable and positive goal, the thanksgiving is as good as any, no better than any, as Christmas would be for an unachieveable goal, or for no other reason than the chance to practice.horsehockey... Dodge practices on Thanksgiving because he always has an important game scheduled 2 days after Thanksgiving...

[BeauxGeezy]

wide, please don't wet on my leg, and then tell me it's been raining. you are trying to kid a kidder now. everyone knows what he was implying.


If it were me saying it....yeah you would have a valid point.
But to my knowledge PackAttack never goes after anyone or any school. I think the guy was just asking a question.

[DrEdward]

So Dodge has a "theory" that if you work on Thanksgiving you become more motivated? I think I'll try that with my employees this year. :rolleyes:

I doubt seriously that its why they practice on Thanksgiving... Just goes to show you... Want to learn something? Skip college...


No. Dodge has an objective for the team to be working/practicing on Thanksgiving. If you have achieved that objective, then you are already pretty motivated.

[dragonsdaddy]

horsehockey... Dodge practices on Thanksgiving because he always has an important game scheduled 2 days after Thanksgiving...
i don't think we are actually talking about the reason as much as the goal. it is quite obvious why the practice is held. in august it is still only a goal.

[drgnbkr]

Do shots at teams usually start with the word "how"???
Looks like a legit question to me.

A shot would be...
Some of Lufkin's players have to work and play football...they're not like those spoiled brats from Southlake that drive around in their Hummers spending Mommy and Daddy's money after practice.

See the difference??

I want a hummer! My son is a freshman, plays football, and has to work for his spending money...as have all my kids, who all have somehow made it through the Carroll ISD

[BeauxGeezy]

I want a hummer! My son is a freshman, plays football, and has to work for his spending money...as have all my kids, who all have somehow made it through the Carroll ISD


I wasn't speaking literally....just giving Sakatha an example.

[drgnbkr]

I wasn't speaking literally....just giving Sakatha an example.

Its cool...A lot of us try to raise em up right!

[Drake]

i don't think we are actually talking about the reason as much as the goal. it is quite obvious why the practice is held. in august it is still only a goal.Okay, I didn't follow... So the goal is to still be practicing when Thanksgiving rolls around... I'm with it now... Um, so what's the theory?

[Favpack]

I want a hummer! My son is a freshman, plays football, and has to work for his spending money...as have all my kids, who all have somehow made it through the Carroll ISD

I thought he wanted that Winnebago? :D :eek:

[whyzat]

I have had enough terrible jobs to say what qualifies as a "real" job. So to answer your question...yes.

You do understand our disbelief that a man of your obvious interpersonal skills failed to talk himself into more favorable circumstances? :p

[Sakatha]

If it were me saying it....yeah you would have a valid point.
But to my knowledge PackAttack never goes after anyone or any school. I think the guy was just asking a question.

Well, there's a first time for everything I suppose...

Look, if he didn't mean anything by it then fine, I apologize for jumping to conclussions... I think I'm right, though...

~DnM

[Sakatha]

I wasn't speaking literally....just giving Sakatha an example.

The problem is that it's the assumption...

My son plays pee wee ball in Keller, as his mom lives there. I struck up a conversation with a Keller parent last night that ended(only because it rained on us) with him saying 'Well you guys are so good because you have a huge population to draw from, and have over 4000 in your high school'... All I could do was shake my head.

He literally didn't believe me when I told him our enrollment over here...

The 'assumptions' about our town and the kids at our schools grow extremely tiresome...

~DnM

[dragonsdaddy]

Okay, I didn't follow... So the goal is to still be practicing when Thanksgiving rolls around... I'm with it now... Um, so what's the theory?
you'll have to get the notes from class. i skipped it again.

[Favpack]

you'll have to get the notes from class. i skipped it again.

Just win baby. That would be my dissertation.

[dragonsdaddy]

Just win baby. That would be my dissertation.
that reminds me. i have seen here and elsewhere several complaintants with severalcomplaints about the style of play that slc uses. how it is sissy football. not manly or physical enough to actually be called football. that winning with that kind of football cheapens the process and maybe should be asterisked if not outright outlawed. to all those who are of that opinion, take a quick peek at the rules and either find something illegal about spreading the defenders too thin to stop a good offense, or start another game(called stodgyball) or shut the heck up. i was always taught that if you don't like something or the way someone does something, beat him or leave. any coach who takes advantage of the prevailing rules and his available talent, and wins, is doing it right. any coach who doesn't do all those things isn't.

[lonny23]

So Dodge has a "theory" that if you work on Thanksgiving you become more motivated? I think I'll try that with my employees this year. :rolleyes:

I doubt seriously that its why they practice on Thanksgiving... Just goes to show you... Want to learn something? Skip college...
Most top teams have series of goals and Thanksgiving is a big milestone. I talk about playing after Thanksgiving and how it's a big deal. I talk about playing in December as a big deal.

Judson has 6 goals each year and they go something like this:

1. The normal get good grades, be good people type of stuff.
2. Win district.
3. Go 10-0.
4. Play after Thanksgiving.
5. Play in December.
6. Win state.

The whole deal is you want to practice on Thanksgiving Day because that means you're still playing. Most years that means you're in Round 3, but it will be Round 2 this year.

[Sakatha]

that reminds me. i have seen here and elsewhere several complaintants with severalcomplaints about the style of play that slc uses. how it is sissy football. not manly or physical enough to actually be called football. that winning with that kind of football cheapens the process and maybe should be asterisked if not outright outlawed. to all those who are of that opinion, take a quick peek at the rules and either find something illegal about spreading the defenders too thin to stop a good offense, or start another game(called stodgyball) or shut the heck up. i was always taught that if you don't like something or the way someone does something, beat him or leave. any coach who takes advantage of the prevailing rules and his available talent, and wins, is doing it right. any coach who doesn't do all those things isn't.

Wow... That might be your most violent post in a year... I blame my anger for spilling over into this post of yours.

~DnM

[Favpack]

that reminds me. i have seen here and elsewhere several complaintants with severalcomplaints about the style of play that slc uses. how it is sissy football. not manly or physical enough to actually be called football. that winning with that kind of football cheapens the process and maybe should be asterisked if not outright outlawed. to all those who are of that opinion, take a quick peek at the rules and either find something illegal about spreading the defenders too thin to stop a good offense, or start another game(called stodgyball) or shut the heck up. i was always taught that if you don't like something or the way someone does something, beat him or leave. any coach who takes advantage of the prevailing rules and his available talent, and wins, is doing it right. any coach who doesn't do all those things isn't.

Amen. Last time I checked it wasn't footbrawl, and last time I checked Mr. Earl Campbell was having trouble livin' thanks largely to Bum and Co. running him up the gut 42 times a game against the Steelers. Playing on concrete didn't help.

[lonny23]

Do shots at teams usually start with the word "how"???
Looks like a legit question to me.

A shot would be...
Some of Lufkin's players have to work and play football...they're not like those spoiled brats from Southlake that drive around in their Hummers spending Mommy and Daddy's money after practice.

See the difference??
The only difference is you said what he was really getting at but didn't say. I can see right through his post and the SLC posters picked up on it, too. That post was all about how Lufkin has to work harder to get ahead than SLC. There's no doubt in my mind that more LP players work than SLC players, but we shouldn't take anything away from the Dragon players because of their parents.

[lonny23]

If it were me saying it....yeah you would have a valid point.
But to my knowledge PackAttack never goes after anyone or any school. I think the guy was just asking a question.
Nah, he said something last week, too.

[lonny23]

You do understand our disbelief that a man of your obvious interpersonal skills failed to talk himself into more favorable circumstances? :p
Yeah, instead of sitting at home, he ought to get on TV since he said he would kick the Scwab's *** at trivia!:D

[BeauxGeezy]

Yeah, instead of sitting at home, he ought to get on TV since he said he would kick the Scwab's *** at trivia!:D


And I stand by that statement. Anytime Schwab wants a piece of me...I'm ready.

[svhorns]

And I stand by that statement. Anytime Schwab wants a piece of me...I'm ready.
thats like CJ goin against J-mike... you would get dominated...:D

[lonny23]

The problem is that it's the assumption...

My son plays pee wee ball in Keller, as his mom lives there. I struck up a conversation with a Keller parent last night that ended(only because it rained on us) with him saying 'Well you guys are so good because you have a huge population to draw from, and have over 4000 in your high school'... All I could do was shake my head.

He literally didn't believe me when I told him our enrollment over here...

The 'assumptions' about our town and the kids at our schools grow extremely tiresome...

~DnMI know the feeling. Judson only won like they did because:

1. They had between 4000-5000 kids (They also won when it was in the 2000's).
2. They play a bunch of Valley teams (Some years none and never more than 1).
3. Region 4 is terrible (They forget Judson does a good job beating Region 3 and bats around .700 against the other 2 regions).
4. Judson recruits (Madison recruits kids out of Judson, successful teams have parents move on their own accord, and Judson has many military move-ins).

[BeauxGeezy]

thats like CJ goin against J-mike... you would get dominated...:D


I really don't think so. I honestly think I could beat him.
As long as the final round doesn't include a bunch of hockey questions....I could beat him.

[lonny23]

that reminds me. i have seen here and elsewhere several complaintants with severalcomplaints about the style of play that slc uses. how it is sissy football. not manly or physical enough to actually be called football. that winning with that kind of football cheapens the process and maybe should be asterisked if not outright outlawed. to all those who are of that opinion, take a quick peek at the rules and either find something illegal about spreading the defenders too thin to stop a good offense, or start another game(called stodgyball) or shut the heck up. i was always taught that if you don't like something or the way someone does something, beat him or leave. any coach who takes advantage of the prevailing rules and his available talent, and wins, is doing it right. any coach who doesn't do all those things isn't.
I hope you're not talking about me. I didn't say your style was sissy, but I said football in DFW is prettier. Football in DFW to me seems to be more finesse than San Antonio. Saying that, Trinity wants to line up and pound the ball at you. Lewisville used to pound it at you. The SLC defense will hit you. They're not a finesse defense. I only made the pretty comment to contrast how I see the 26-5A teams playing SLC vs. how the 5-5A guys do it. There is nothing wrong with how SLC plays offense. They have more balance this year than I've seen in the past. Luna ran right at you when he was there.

[lonny23]

Amen. Last time I checked it wasn't footbrawl, and last time I checked Mr. Earl Campbell was having trouble livin' thanks largely to Bum and Co. running him up the gut 42 times a game against the Steelers. Playing on concrete didn't help.
That turf in Houston was horrible, too.

[svhorns]

I hope you're not talking about me. I didn't say your style was sissy, but I said football in DFW is prettier. Football in DFW to me seems to be more finesse than San Antonio. Saying that, Trinity wants to line up and pound the ball at you. Lewisville used to pound it at you. The SLC defense will hit you. They're not a finesse defense. I only made the pretty comment to contrast how I see the 26-5A teams playing SLC vs. how the 5-5A guys do it. There is nothing wrong with how SLC plays offense. They have more balance this year than I've seen in the past. Luna ran right at you when he was there.
Luna was a bowling ball...

[lonny23]

And I stand by that statement. Anytime Schwab wants a piece of me...I'm ready.
I knew you'd stand by it!:D

[svhorns]

I really don't think so. I honestly think I could beat him.
As long as the final round doesn't include a bunch of hockey questions....I could beat him.
I hate to play the devils advicate(sp?) or advocate(sp?)but dont think you could do it....

[dragonsdaddy]

I hope you're not talking about me. I didn't say your style was sissy, but I said football in DFW is prettier. Football in DFW to me seems to be more finesse than San Antonio. Saying that, Trinity wants to line up and pound the ball at you. Lewisville used to pound it at you. The SLC defense will hit you. They're not a finesse defense. I only made the pretty comment to contrast how I see the 26-5A teams playing SLC vs. how the 5-5A guys do it. There is nothing wrong with how SLC plays offense. They have more balance this year than I've seen in the past. Luna ran right at you when he was there.
no, i wasn't referring to you. there are several others who itch and moan about how slc doesn't play "real" football, which seems to mean that anything with a wide receiver, or more than 8 inch splits, is not manly. i'm sure these same neanderthals would prefer facemasks be outlawed too.

[svhorns]

no, i wasn't referring to you. there are several others who itch and moan about how slc doesn't play "real" football, which seems to mean that anything with a wide receiver, or more than 8 inch splits, is not manly. i'm sure these same neanderthals would prefer facemasks be outlawed too.
speaking of that... did yall see Morten Anderson(Atl. Falcons Kicker) and his "face mask"... has one bar on it and its at his chin basically

[lonny23]

thats like CJ goin against J-mike... you would get dominated...:D
I'm going to tell you what I told Wide. I was watching a Schwab-a-Thon one day and one guy came in there and got to The Schwab. The Schwab sits there growling and barking and the contestants come in worshipping the guy and he psyches them out. They don't think they can beat him and he has an edge. This one guy came on the show, looked at the Schwab, and told him that he was going down. He was just as arrogant as The Schwab always is. Sure enough, The Schwab was mad enough about being challenged by a nobody that he missed some easy one's that he probably always gets and the guy beat The Schwab. That's The Schwab's weakness. He hates being challenged and expects people to bow down to him. He doesn't really know how to react to being challenged. It's one thing to come on there talking trash, but I think this guy believed he was going to win and that's most of the battle.

[Sakatha]

Oh, and for the record.. I have NO DOUBT that the average kid in Lufkin has a much harder road in life than our kids in Southlake...

I absolutely admire any kid that has to work to put himself into a better situation in life. It builds character and is a great great thing... As some posters know from me explaining my road to Southlake, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth... I admire anyone who makes solid life choices and goes after what they want.

I am not going to waste my time bashing Lufkin kids because that's not my style. I was simply stating that taking that shot was pretty bush, and we all have our faults... Why waste our time pointing fingers...

~DnM

[lonny23]

I really don't think so. I honestly think I could beat him.
As long as the final round doesn't include a bunch of hockey questions....I could beat him.
Don't forget about soccer, table tennis, badmitton, gymnastics, and probably most women's sports!:D

[whyzat]

I hate to play the devils advicate but dont think you could do it....

Don't underestimate his abilities, and don't let him sandbag you about the hockey questions in the final round as they would only be something else for him.......











.......to poop on! :D

[svhorns]

I'm going to tell you what I told Wide. I was watching a Schwab-a-Thon one day and one guy came in there and got to The Schwab. The Schwab sits there growling and barking and the contestants come in worshipping the guy and he psyches them out. They don't think they can beat him and he has an edge. This one guy came on the show, looked at the Schwab, and told him that he was going down. He was just as arrogant as The Schwab always is. Sure enough, The Schwab was mad enough about being challenged by a nobody that he missed some easy one's that he probably always gets and the guy beat The Schwab. That's The Schwab's weakness. He hates being challenged and expects people to bow down to him. He doesn't really know how to react to being challenged. It's one thing to come on there talking trash, but I think this guy believed he was going to win and that's most of the battle.
The Schawb is an arrogant guy... dont like him at all.... hey IF Wide does get on that show u'll know ill be screamin like crazy for him to win...

[lonny23]

I hate to play the devils advicate(sp?) or advocate(sp?)but dont think you could do it....
Wide could do well on that show. I could do well on it. I know almost all of the later round questions and would just bone up on those opening round questions where you list names that did such and such.

[bullrock]

Okay...I got three things out of this whole post. SLC was used by a prof at N. Tex., Lufkin kids have a harder time playing football and SLC only plays football video games to achieve thier goals and they do so on turkey day.
Both systems seem to be pretty successful..

[svhorns]

Okay...I got three things out of this whole post. SLC was used by a prof at N. Tex., Lufkin kids have a harder time playing football and SLC only plays football video games to achieve thier goals and they do so on turkey day.
Both systems seem to be pretty successful..
and CJ Wilson is the man...

[lonny23]

no, i wasn't referring to you. there are several others who itch and moan about how slc doesn't play "real" football, which seems to mean that anything with a wide receiver, or more than 8 inch splits, is not manly. i'm sure these same neanderthals would prefer facemasks be outlawed too.
Here's what gets me. Why does everyone that hasn't won big know enough to say that those who do win are doing something wrong or they're winning because of some advantage? I know it's just jealousy, but if they really believe it's easy to win, how come they're not doing the same things to get easy wins themselves.

I'm going to play Lonny's Advocate here:

1. If you think kids in school leads to wins, have more kids.

2. If you think more money leads to wins, get another job.

3. If you think playing in Region 4 is easy, pack up your stuff and move to San Antonio.

4. If you think throwing the ball isn't real football but you see SLC winning, you might want to watch their offense since they win so much. The last time I checked Herman Edwards told me, "You play to win the game!" If the UIL is handing them a trophy, then that's legit enough for me.

[lonny23]

speaking of that... did yall see Morten Anderson(Atl. Falcons Kicker) and his "face mask"... has one bar on it and its at his chin basically
When I see those helmets I always think that somebody is going to punch them in the face because they can.

[svhorns]

When I see those helmets I always think that somebody is going to punch them in the face because they can.
you could "bulldog" the guy if you wanted... If you dont know what that is ask anyone from the ages 18-25

[toddg]

Oh, and for the record.. I have NO DOUBT that the average kid in Lufkin has a much harder road in life than our kids in Southlake...

I absolutely admire any kid that has to work to put himself into a better situation in life. It builds character and is a great great thing... As some posters know from me explaining my road to Southlake, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth... I admire anyone who makes solid life choices and goes after what they want.

I am not going to waste my time bashing Lufkin kids because that's not my style. I was simply stating that taking that shot was pretty bush, and we all have our faults... Why waste our time pointing fingers...

~DnM


i would figure that the southlake players work pretty hard for their success..all they do is beat teams that are bigger and faster than they are..it takes a great work ethic and character to accomplish what they have accomplished..its amusing to think that someone would question that...or imply that they do not work hard for what they achieve.

[PackAttack2005]

I post a QUESTION this morning and now check this afternoon and Sakatha has gone off the deep end again.

My how senative you are becoming.

How do you read so much nonsese into a simple question?

BeauxGeezy, Thank you for catching my back.

Frankly, I don't care if any SLC players work a job or not.

If fact the rest of my post had another question about your 72 game winning streak and other compliments to SLC. Sakatha, if you had ask me how many Lufkin players worked jobs, I would tell you and wouldn't consider it a shot at my team, like you did. The problem is other SLC poster followed your lead. Tell me how do you ask my same question in Southlake?

I apologized last time, not now, because it was only a question that Sakatha interpeted as something else in his imagination.

Carry on.

[Sakatha]

I post a QUESTION this morning and now check this afternoon and Sakatha has gone off the deep end again.

My how senative you are becoming.

How do you read so much nonsese into a simple question?

BeauxGeezy, Thank you for catching my back.

Frankly, I don't care if any SLC players work a job or not.

If fact the rest of my post had another question about your 72 game winning streak and other compliments to SLC. Sakatha, if you had ask me how many Lufkin players worked jobs, I would tell you and wouldn't consider it a shot at my team, like you did. The problem is other SLC poster followed your lead. Tell me how do you ask my same question in Southlake?

I apologized last time, not now, because it was only a question that Sakatha interpeted as something else in his imagination.

Carry on.

Wasn't just me this time... Otherwise you'd be right...

Oh, and if I asked that question and you answered, I'm afraid I'd call you a liar.. Since you have no idea how many Lufkin players have jobs. :)

~DnM

[PackAttack2005]

IT was you and I am done with this. I do know several of the Lufkin players who work jobs after school. Not going to discuss the liar part because your clueless, so go back and put that chip on your shoulder until the next time you percieve someone is taking a shot at SLC.:confused:

[bobcatDL07]

cyfair had practice on thanksgiving last year in playoffs... who cares??? nobody is making you go to it u just might not play for one of the most important games in ur life

[dragons08]

i'll be the voice of reason, Pack, you did make it look like you were saying, southlake kids are just given everything and dont have to work, only have to focus on football.

but i could also see just the casual thing like you meant

in sakathas defense, people take shots at southlake all the time, its not uncommon to take something that could go either way as a shot at SLC

[toddg]

Wasn't just me this time... Otherwise you'd be right...

Oh, and if I asked that question and you answered, I'm afraid I'd call you a liar.. Since you have no idea how many Lufkin players have jobs. :)

~DnM

in regards to packattack, i have read hundreds of his replies and comments on this board and, many other boards, and my impressions of him and his comments are well..impressive! he passionatly supports lufkin hs, its sports, its students and all that applies..and he has ALWAYS been a voice of reason and reality, and has always implied respect to other schools and communities.
i am not from lufkin or southlake, and i dont know PA personally, but from what i have read in his comments and replies in regards to southlake, or anybody else..he shows the upmost respect!

[PackAttack2005]

Didn't make it look like anything but a simple question. Don't play games with me. Some of you guys are just skidish about anything you perceive as a negative remark toward your program. I am not your problem here in Lufkin.

[Sakatha]

Didn't make it look like anything but a simple question. Don't play games with me. Some of you guys are just skidish about anything you perceive as a negative remark toward your program. I am not your problem here in Lufkin.

I thought it was only me, and you were done with this? Apparently not.

Look, I said in another post that if I took it wrong, I apologize...

~DnM

[PackAttack2005]

Then my work is done here, good luck and we will see you down the road.

[whyzat]

IT was you and I am done with this. I do know several of the Lufkin players who work jobs after school. Not going to discuss the liar part because your clueless, so go back and put that chip on your shoulder until the next time you percieve someone is taking a shot at SLC.:confused:

What is the point of applying lipstick to a pig? Why not sit back and enjoy the stroke of bureaucratic good luck which will allow you to waltz to a state title without having to once again face SLC? What is it about a very few of the Lufkin faithful that incites mean spirited behavior in the face of good fortune? Accept that which falls into your lap, and be generous of spirit about it. Classy behavior is not a right of privilege, but a measure of character. Your original post was transparent in its intent. At least be willing to validate your own character by acknowledging that you meant what you said. Your absurd explanations can't even be rationalized by those mates who "have your back." Why not simply be up front about it?

[dragonbuck]

"He must be a Dragon fan. Success is what most Lufkin kids must go through to just play football. SLC players don't face the same adversity. How many SLC players work jobs after school and FB practice?"

I'm sorry guys, but I have read this post eight times, and even walked away from it and came back and re-read it. This may not be a slam, but it is a statement for sure. It says that Lufkin players must go through more adversity just to play ball, and then asks how many SC players hold jobs, go to school and play ball. I would consider this a rhetorical question, meaning he is trying to make a point. Did he actually expect a response as to how many hold down jobs? No, becasue that data is not available for any team. Thus, he was making a point/statement about SC and Lufkin. i was not offended by it, because I have seen a lot worse. If it truly was a question, why would one ask that? Curiosity? I doubt it. It is to make or solidify a point.

Like I said, I'm not offended, but I will call it like I see it.

[BeauxGeezy]

What is the point of applying lipstick to a pig? Why not sit back and enjoy the stroke of bureaucratic good luck which will allow you to waltz to a state title without having to once again face SLC? What is it about a very few of the Lufkin faithful that incites mean spirited behavior in the face of good fortune? Accept that which falls into your lap, and be generous of spirit about it. Classy behavior is not a right of privilege, but a measure of character. Your original post was transparent in its intent. At least be willing to validate your own character by acknowledging that you meant what you said. Your absurd explanations can't even be rationalized by those mates who "have your back." Why not simply be up front about it?


edited: because of unecessary smartassery

[PackAttack2005]

You all must be OR you wouldn't be so obsessed over this. I hope you have read worse about SLC than a question about your players employment. You guys crack me up.;) :eek:

I have said nothing wrong here, but you can add mind reading to your long list of accomplishments.

[whyzat]

Using big words and talking in circles doesn't make you sound intelligent dude.
It makes you sound like a jackass. Who the hell writes like that on the internet??
This is not English Lit. dawg... take it down a couple of notches okay?

Down one notch: Sounding intelligent isn't the point here, it is personal accountability for statements made on this board. As to writing styles and freedom of expression, you of all people should reciprocate tolerance for the eccentricities of others. Jackass is truly in the eye of the beholder.

Down two notches: Your friend was over the line. Anybody with a two digit IQ understands that. You are a bright guy. Are you willing to stake your considerable credibility here on a homer defense? Using words of any size, in any geometric pattern, that will be a tall order in this case. I suppose if anybody could pull it off, it would be you.

[BeauxGeezy]

Down one notch: Sounding intelligent isn't the point here, it is personal accountability for statements made on this board. As to writing styles and freedom of expression, you of all people should reciprocate tolerance for the eccentricities of others. Jackass is truly in the eye of the beholder.

Down two notches: Your friend was over the line. Anybody with a two digit IQ understands that. You are a bright guy. Are you willing to stake your considerable credibility here on a homer defense? Using words of any size, in any geometric pattern, that will be a tall order in this case. I suppose if anybody could pull it off, it would be you.


First of all...do I know you? I mean the name certainly doesn't ring a bell...but you seem to be quite familiar with me.

It wasn't anything personal dude....and jackass is a word I use a lot. Probably too much...

Yes...I stand by my statements concerning PackAttack. The guy is genuine and never starts anything with anybody. It's not a homer thing...I would say that about quite a few guys on here that are not from my hometown. PackAttack is not a confrontational guy...never has been. I've read his posts on two different boards and I don't believe that he would intentionally take a shot at anybody. If anything he has tried to calm me down on a few occasions....
I truly believe he was just asking a question...that's it.

and I edited my previous post fwiw.

[whyzat]

First of all...do I know you? I mean the name certainly doesn't ring a bell...but you seem to be quite familiar with me.

It wasn't anything personal dude....and jackass is a word I use a lot. Probably too much...

Yes...I stand by my statements concerning PackAttack. The guy is genuine and never starts anything with anybody. It's not a homer thing...I would say that about quite a few guys on here that are not from my hometown. PackAttack is not a confrontational guy...never has been. I've read his posts on two different boards and I don't believe that he would intentionally take a shot at anybody. If anything he has tried to calm me down on a few occasions....
I truly believe he was just asking a question...that's it.

and I edited my previous post fwiw.

Understood and appreciated. My familiarity with you is through this board. I like your style and sense of humor, and often laugh aloud at your witty and original posts. We have no problem.......simply a difference of opinion. Lets beat up on aggy instead of each other. :D

[BeauxGeezy]

Understood and appreciated. My familiarity with you is through this board. I like your style and sense of humor, and often laugh aloud at your witty and original posts. We have no problem.......simply a difference of opinion. Lets beat up on aggy instead of each other. :D


agreed...no hard feelings brotha'

[DragonBand06]

To answer the question, I think there are more working athletes in Southlake than people might think. I know a group of guys who were in my Calc class last year and they all worked together at Fish City Grill; I'm sure there are lots more cases.

[PackAttack2005]

Thank You for that info '06. See, that was easy.

Go Pack!!!

[bullrock]

I guess I'm going to have to start using Thesaurus so I can sound like a professor. I have to admit, there are some words being thrown around here that are not in the everyday vocabulary in the world I live in. Ya'll keep it up. I'm learnin' some new stuff here that might help me with the New York Times Crossword Puzzles. Them are hard!

[Long Tall Texan]

OK. Let's call a duck a duck and be men about this.

Look at the median income of the average household of the Southlake players. Compare that to the median income of the households of the Lufkin players. Now, let's compare that to the "wealth" and operating budget of the Southlake ISD vs. the LISD. If any of you Southlake folks deny your school district and average student is uber-wealthy compared to Lufkin, you are lying or completely stupid. It's about money, rich vs. poor, city boys vs. country boys, etc... It's very similar to the rivalry that existed years ago between Plano and Odessa for many of the same reasons.

I live in the Dallas area and hear all the snide and rude remarks of the Dallas area people and what they think and say about Lufkin when they are not on a public message board. I go to Lufkin and hear the snide, rude remarks of the Lufkin people and what they think and say about Southlake.

But there is one disturbing difference. Many of the remarks I hear from the folks in the Dallas area about the Lufkin team I could not repeat on this board, or I would be banned in a second.

All that being said, I am more impressed with what Southlake has accomplished than almost anything I have ever seen in sports. Absolutely amazing.

[PackAttack2005]

Pure ingnorance by those people that say stuff about the Lufkin or Southlake kids.

[drgnbkr]

OK. Let's call a duck a duck and be men about this.

Look at the median income of the average household of the Southlake players. Compare that to the median income of the households of the Lufkin players. Now, let's compare that to the "wealth" and operating budget of the Southlake ISD vs. the LISD. If any of you Southlake folks deny your school district and average student is uber-wealthy compared to Lufkin, you are lying or completely stupid. It's about money, rich vs. poor, city boys vs. country boys, etc... It's very similar to the rivalry that existed years ago between Plano and Odessa for many of the same reasons.

I live in the Dallas area and hear all the snide and rude remarks of the Dallas area people and what they think and say about Lufkin when they are not on a public message board. I go to Lufkin and hear the snide, rude remarks of the Lufkin people and what they think and say about Southlake.

But there is one disturbing difference. Many of the remarks I hear from the folks in the Dallas area about the Lufkin team I could not repeat on this board, or I would be banned in a second.

All that being said, I am more impressed with what Southlake has accomplished than almost anything I have ever seen in sports. Absolutely amazing.


I don't know where you are hearing the "snide, rude" remarks about Lufkin, but I don't think it's coming from Southlake. We have nothing but respect for the pack and have had 3 memorable games with them on the big stage of the playoffs. I've met some of them too, and enjoyed the visit....I resent Lufkin being number 1 in this site's poll and they probably resent the 3 losses to Carroll, but for the most part we still carry on civil conversations here. I hope we get to go at it again, because the two schools bring great traditions and great fans.

[BeauxGeezy]

But there is one disturbing difference. Many of the remarks I hear from the folks in the Dallas area about the Lufkin team I could not repeat on this board, or I would be banned in a second.


Let me guess...
It has to do with the amount of black players Lufkin has??
Damn that was hard to figure out.

[DragonFan]

I guess it is like getting your heart cut out by a laser or a sledge hammer. Your heart is gone either way!

Football is a game. The object of a game is to win. How one wins (as long as it is within the rules) is not the question but Just Win Baby is the answer.

Offense scored points, defense emphasis the points!

If a running offense is the only Manly offense then please concider the fact that SLC has had several 300+ running yard games as well as 300+ passing yards.

[SLCDad]

Look at the median income of the average household of the Southlake players. Compare that to the median income of the households of the Lufkin players. Now, let's compare that to the "wealth" and operating budget of the Southlake ISD vs. the LISD. If any of you Southlake folks deny your school district and average student is uber-wealthy compared to Lufkin, you are lying or completely stupid. It's about money, rich vs. poor, city boys vs. country boys, etc... It's very similar to the rivalry that existed years ago between Plano and Odessa for many of the same reasons.You are probably right about the average household income of the SLC players. However, you are wrong about the operating budget of the Southlake ISD vs. the Lufkin ISD. I'd bet that the operating budgets of the two districts close to the same. Robin Hood takes about 1/3 of the school taxes collected in Southlake.

[Favpack]

The only thing it proves to me is you can't use ethnicity, median house value or income, education level, geographic area, facilitieis, school or city size, etc. etc. as an excuse. Both programs excel and have done so for a decade (or longer).

[SLCDad]

The only thing it proves to me is you can't use ethnicity, median house value or income, education level, geographic area, facilitieis, school or city size, etc. etc. as an excuse. Both programs excel and have done so for a decade (or longer).Not only that, the NFL and the NBA are filled with players who grew up without any advantages in the things you mention.

The fans in Lufkin are great and they support their team in a HUGE way. The same can be said for SLC.

[Sakatha]

Not only that, the NFL and the NBA are filled with players who grew up without any advantages in the things you mention.

The fans in Lufkin are great and they support their team in a HUGE way. The same can be said for SLC.

I would venture to guess that MOST of the pro players in America came from poor backgrounds...

~DnM

[Finish_Strong]

Just because your rich you dont face adversity?????

[Sakatha]

Just because your rich you dont face adversity?????

Which leads to another funny assumption... That if you live in Southlake you are 'rich'... Which is laughable... MOST of us aren't rich BECAUSE we live in Southlake, not the other way around....

The financial sacrifices that lots of us make to put our kids in these schools are staggering...

~DnM

[dragonbuck]

The financial sacrifices that lots of us make to put our kids in these schools are staggering...
~DnM[/QUOTE]
so I'm not the only one? It will all be worth it when I retire and they are earning 6 figures and ae not sleeping on my coach. though there will be room if need be.

[Sakatha]

The financial sacrifices that lots of us make to put our kids in these schools are staggering...
~DnM
so I'm not the only one? It will all be worth it when I retire and they are earning 6 figures and ae not sleeping on my coach. though there will be room if need be.[/QUOTE]

a-freaking-men...

~DnM

[Phoenixrising05]

I'm not sure who or how my thread got hijacked, haha, but a couple observations:

My first year in college I had a roomate from a school district BENEFITING from Robin Hood (ie a school opposite of SLC that instead was getting the money Southlake tax payers were sending to Austin). We had several discussions regarding stereotypes of SLC versus "country" schools, poorer schools, etc. One thing he had never considered, and it seems that many people on this board hasn't considered, is that to live in Southlake, or afford a home in Southlake, the "parent(s)" has to be the absolute "cream of the crop" as far education, wealth, standards, etc. NOT TO SAY that parents in other cities aren't this as well, but in Southlake, that is the norm NOT the exception. These aren't "trust-babies" or people who inherited money. These are people who busted their butts in college to get PHDs, etc to make the money they do and live the lives they live. Because they're "self-made-millionaires" they *ALL* expect the same for their kids. Whereas in most school districts you may have 5-10% of parents who keep their child in line and force him/her to study 3-4 hours per night, in Southlake its 85-95%. While many of you think the only "form" of work, is to work at Wal-Mart after school, the majority of kids in Southlake are having to work many times harder than the average kid mentally just to stay competitive in school. In other words, performing physical labor at a jobsite isn't the only adversity a teenage can face. Going home after hours of football practice and then staying up studying college-level courses if pretty dang hard too. From talking with other buddies at A&M, I quickly discovered that taking algebra in 7th grade wasn't the norm around the rest of the state; And that most schools don't have SAT averages approaching 1200. These kids in that district aren't just "naturally" intelligent, they work their butts off after school, sacrificing in their own way to be competitive in a district where a kid in the bottom quartile of his class still makes an 1100 on his SAT. Please don't miscontrue what i'm saying to mean that kids from other districts are stupid or lazy or in any way less than Southlake kids...my only point is that the children in Southlake *ALSO* work very hard, just in a different fashion. And some kids, like those mentioned above, even have to work a "real job" in addition to all the after-hours studying. I *CAN* say from personal experience at A&M, that while my buddies and I that graduated from Carroll blew through our semesters with ease, the vast majority of people we knew that graduated from other high schools struggled to keep a good GPA in college. Anyway sorry for the crazy-long-windedness...it just pushed my buttons in a wrong way to re-hash the stereotype that Southlake-kids have it easy.

Also, since you people hijacked my otherwise innocuous thread: Lonny PLEASE change your avatar. Everytime I see one of your NUMEROUS posts it makes me ill. For some of us (no doubt i'm in the vast minority) we find that man offensive. On the other spectrum, it would be like someone putting that fat guy that made that 9/11 movie as their avatar haha If I go and vote Judson as the greatest dynasty ever will you change it??? :eek:

[bullrock]

Good point Phoenix but good study habits aren't reserved only for the priveledged. I have daughters who did the same thing at Judson. One thing you don't realize is that most of the kids who achieved these goals at Judson were in the same classes you mentioned. My daughters took algebra in Jr. High and trig/calculous before the 11th grade. These same programs are offered at the most of the disadvantage schools as well. Judson was one of the few schools in the state and at the time and the only school in this area with the IB program. One went to A&M and had the same experience as you did with her classes. One thing she probably got that you may not have got at SLC was how to mingle and accept all classes of people for who they were. She had classmates from HP, Westlake and other schools that didn't really know how to approach minority students bacause they had never had any real contact with them. Yeah, a larger percentage may have the book smarts at places like SLC, but there are certainly other life lessons they had to wait and get in college. I know you're going to take this out of context. Don't get upset. I'm sure my daughter didn't lie to me. Some of this I witnessed myself as my son-in-law (her spouse) is a Westlake grad and his actions pretty much backed up her analysis the first time he accompanied me to a Judson game.

[dragonsdaddy]

Good point Phoenix but good study habits aren't reserved only for the priveledged. I have daughters who did the same thing at Judson. One thing you don't realize is that most of the kids who achieved these goals at Judson were in the same classes you mentioned. My daughters took algebra in Jr. High and trig/calculous before the 11th grade. These same programs are offered at the most of the disadvantage schools as well. Judson was one of the few schools in the state and at the time and the only school in this area with the IB program. One went to A&M and had the same experience as you did with her classes. One thing she probably got that you may not have got at SLC was how to mingle and accept all classes of people for who they were. She had classmates from HP, Westlake and other schools that didn't really know how to approach minority students bacause they had never had any real contact with them. Yeah, a larger percentage may have the book smarts at places like SLC, but there are certainly other life lessons they had to wait and get in college. I know you're going to take this out of context. Don't get upset. I'm sure my daughter didn't lie to me. Some of this I witnessed myself as my son-in-law (her spouse) is a Westlake grad and his actions pretty much backed up her analysis the first time he accompanied me to a Judson game.
bull, you can also make sweeping assumptions based on small sample sizes. your daughter may in fact have been right in her appraisal of the sample and wrong about the overall population. and i may also be seeing things thru the eyes of the father of the 3 least color-blind kids i know. i thank God everytime i think of the fortune of having such a trio.

[DragonBand06]

Good point Phoenix but good study habits aren't reserved only for the priveledged. I have daughters who did the same thing at Judson. One thing you don't realize is that most of the kids who achieved these goals at Judson were in the same classes you mentioned. My daughters took algebra in Jr. High and trig/calculous before the 11th grade. These same programs are offered at the most of the disadvantage schools as well. Judson was one of the few schools in the state and at the time and the only school in this area with the IB program. One went to A&M and had the same experience as you did with her classes. One thing she probably got that you may not have got at SLC was how to mingle and accept all classes of people for who they were. She had classmates from HP, Westlake and other schools that didn't really know how to approach minority students bacause they had never had any real contact with them. Yeah, a larger percentage may have the book smarts at places like SLC, but there are certainly other life lessons they had to wait and get in college. I know you're going to take this out of context. Don't get upset. I'm sure my daughter didn't lie to me. Some of this I witnessed myself as my son-in-law (her spouse) is a Westlake grad and his actions pretty much backed up her analysis the first time he accompanied me to a Judson game.So you think they teach us to be closed-minded jerks who think they're better than others at Carroll?
Trust me, our test scores wouldn't be where they were if they spent all their time doing that...

[Phoenixrising05]

Good point Phoenix but good study habits aren't reserved only for the priveledged. I have daughters who did the same thing at Judson. One thing you don't realize is that most of the kids who achieved these goals at Judson were in the same classes you mentioned. My daughters took algebra in Jr. High and trig/calculous before the 11th grade. These same programs are offered at the most of the disadvantage schools as well. Judson was one of the few schools in the state and at the time and the only school in this area with the IB program. One went to A&M and had the same experience as you did with her classes. One thing she probably got that you may not have got at SLC was how to mingle and accept all classes of people for who they were. She had classmates from HP, Westlake and other schools that didn't really know how to approach minority students bacause they had never had any real contact with them. Yeah, a larger percentage may have the book smarts at places like SLC, but there are certainly other life lessons they had to wait and get in college. I know you're going to take this out of context. Don't get upset. I'm sure my daughter didn't lie to me. Some of this I witnessed myself as my son-in-law (her spouse) is a Westlake grad and his actions pretty much backed up her analysis the first time he accompanied me to a Judson game.

No you're actually absolutely correct. Going to A&M was a HUGE culture-shock. (If you have ever seen Bryan, you know what i'm talking about lol). I feel somewhat sorry for the kids that leave Carroll and go to SMU or TCU b/c they don't always learn those "lessons" I got at A&M. It was a great experience and really opened my eyes.

I also know SL isn't the only place that has high academic standards. Heck I think we ranked right below Plano and HP in average SAT scores. And I had buddies from SA Churchill, Katy Taylor, and the like that were phenomenally intelligent. (Did you like my cross-cultural geography there?! haha) My only point was to rebuff that Carroll kids have it "easy."

[Phoenixrising05]

The other thing I forgot to say is that I think Carroll is getting MUCH better about that. My sister was a few years younger than me and she wasn't quite so sheltered. I think as the district grows it gets better, and the more educated they become. Honestly, I think the vast majority of kids that graduate from there are so well educated they don't have those ignorant stereotypes. While it was a culture-shock for me, it wasn't like I inherently disliked everyone except white-rich kids. It just took time to realize some people actually live in 1-story houses :eek: (that was a joke btw)

[Phoenixrising05]

So you think they teach us to be closed-minded jerks who think they're better than others at Carroll?
Trust me, our test scores wouldn't be where they were if they spent all their time doing that...

WHAT?!!? They're not teaching that course at Carroll anymore??

My gosh them danged homo-sex-uals have taken over!!! :eek:

[DragonBand06]

WHAT?!!? They're not teaching that course at Carroll anymore??

My gosh them danged homo-sex-uals have taken over!!! :eek:
Careful what you say...
Just lookin out for ya!

[Sakatha]

Good point Phoenix but good study habits aren't reserved only for the priveledged. I have daughters who did the same thing at Judson. One thing you don't realize is that most of the kids who achieved these goals at Judson were in the same classes you mentioned. My daughters took algebra in Jr. High and trig/calculous before the 11th grade. These same programs are offered at the most of the disadvantage schools as well. Judson was one of the few schools in the state and at the time and the only school in this area with the IB program. One went to A&M and had the same experience as you did with her classes. One thing she probably got that you may not have got at SLC was how to mingle and accept all classes of people for who they were. She had classmates from HP, Westlake and other schools that didn't really know how to approach minority students bacause they had never had any real contact with them. Yeah, a larger percentage may have the book smarts at places like SLC, but there are certainly other life lessons they had to wait and get in college. I know you're going to take this out of context. Don't get upset. I'm sure my daughter didn't lie to me. Some of this I witnessed myself as my son-in-law (her spouse) is a Westlake grad and his actions pretty much backed up her analysis the first time he accompanied me to a Judson game.

nevermind...

~DnM

[Phoenixrising05]

Careful what you say...
Just lookin out for ya!

lol thanks..HOPEFULLY everyone realizes i'm kidding. Besides seeing bill o'reilly on every page brings out the CRAZY in me :D

[bullrock]

Thanks Phoenix. I knew some of the posters would take my statement wrong, but going through it you knew exactly where I was coming from. I never intended for anyone to think I was calling them dumb or snobs. If most of them are self made, as they have posted, then they should also understand what I'm talking about. Like it or not, it is a reality and maybe this will be an eye opener for some parents. I could have put my kids through any school in Texas, Private or public, but I experienced these things in my other life. To put it to you in plain venacular, my feelings were hurt very bad when I found out in the fifth grade that I wasn't hispanic. I lived in a colorless world and I grew to know the difference. I wanted my kids to experience it too. Again, thanks Phoenix for covering my back.

[Phoenixrising05]

Thanks Phoenix. I knew some of the posters would take my statement wrong, but going through it you knew exactly where I was coming from. I never intended for anyone to think I was calling them dumb or snobs. If most of them are self made, as they have posted, then they should also understand what I'm talking about. Like it or not, it is a reality and maybe this will be an eye opener for some parents. I could have put my kids through any school in Texas, Private or public, but I experienced these things in my other life. To put it to you in plain venacular, my feelings were hurt very bad when I found out in the fifth grade that I wasn't hispanic. I lived in a colorless world and I grew to know the difference. I wanted my kids to experience it too. Again, thanks Phoenix for covering my back.

no problem...hopefully the reason the other posters didn't agree with you is because the "issue" has diminished since I graduated. I literally had ONE african-american in my graduating class of 375, maybe 5-10 hispanic, maybe 3 asian-pacific...the only gay person I knew in high school was derigged pretty regularly, but i'm told things have changed in time and carroll isn't like that anymore. Anyway congrats to your daughter for making it through Aggieland :D

[bullrock]

She graduated in Dec. '98 and I'm not sure she knows it! She lived the true college experience there. The only one of my three daughters to actually take advantage of a time in her life that really was special. Still attends all of the games and wouldn't change that for nothing. I'm sorry she chose Austin as a place to grow roots, but it could be worse. In fact, all of my kids chose Austin. What is it about that city that attracts so many college grads? There are opportunities evrywhere these days but that seems to be the hot spot right now.

[bullrock]

One more thing to add. I seriously doubt those kids you mentioned at SLC are the same type of kids you saw in Bryan. Different backgrounds and different cultures. That's the USA!