What does it take to remove a HC from his position?

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Most of you know that I have prozac'd out on this year's Plano team, 11 years of below average foothball - 1 great season for a legendary program. I can't take it no more!!

What does it take to actually get rid of a Highschool Head Coach. Is it the decision of the Principal? AD? or the School Board? Does the booster club have any input.

I know Periman got rid of quite a few coaches in the 90's. However, I think after 15 years as a head coach with 10 years of below average results. I believe it is not to much to ask for a change in leadership at Plano. His winning percentage is 50% or less over the last 10 years. It's time for a new direction and attitude at Plano.

[Favpack]

PWF - you've been warned by KT once - this is a no-no that may get you booted off the forum for good so you can go find a good bball forum. May I warmly suggest you cool it on the "fire the coach" threads.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

PWF - you've been warned by KT once - this is a no-no that may get you booted off the forum for good so you can go find a good bball forum. May I warmly suggest you cool it on the "fire the coach" threads.

I didn't call the HC names. I just aske what it takes or the procedures to get rid of a coach. I thought you can't call him names I didn't think you can't ask opinions. Do I have to make it another Hypo question?

[zippy]

As a fan, all you can do is sit in the stands and take it. Or you could get your teaching degree, and apply for the position. Just be ready to work about 90 hours, and 7 days out of the week. You will be getting home about this time of day 9:30, and will have to be in around 6:00. Cancel any weekend plans during the season. Also, remember if you do not do so hot, you will have to deal with people like you. Its fun.

[CoveMom]

As a fan, all you can do is sit in the stands and take it. Or you could get your teaching degree, and apply for the position. Just be ready to work about 90 hours, and 7 days out of the week. You will be getting home about this time of day 9:30, and will have to be in around 6:00. Cancel any weekend plans during the season. Also, remember if you do not do so hot, you will have to deal with people like you. Its fun.

very well put.

[78 Spartan]

As a fan, all you can do is sit in the stands and take it. Or you could get your teaching degree, and apply for the position. Just be ready to work about 90 hours, and 7 days out of the week. You will be getting home about this time of day 9:30, and will have to be in around 6:00. Cancel any weekend plans during the season. Also, remember if you do not do so hot, you will have to deal with people like you. Its fun.

You forgot to add: This is after three years of running a middle school program and eight years of being an assistant coach at the high school level, working those same ungodly hours while simultaneously preparing lesson plans for four sections of history classes. And all this for a salary of about $75-80,000, which is less than what a first year petroleum engineer gets at Exxon or what a first year lawyer gets at Vinson & Elkins. And yes, you get to answer to knuckleheads who spend three hours in the stands on Friday night and thus believe they know everything there is to know about how to coach football since they played it also when they were in high school (running the wishbone) 30 years ago.

[CoveMom]

As a fan, all you can do is sit in the stands and take it. Or you could get your teaching degree, and apply for the position. Just be ready to work about 90 hours, and 7 days out of the week. You will be getting home about this time of day 9:30, and will have to be in around 6:00. Cancel any weekend plans during the season. Also, remember if you do not do so hot, you will have to deal with people like you. Its fun.

You forgot to add: This is after three years of running a middle school program and eight years of being an assistant coach at the high school level, working those same ungodly hours while simultaneously preparing lesson plans for four sections of history classes. And all this for a salary of about $75-80,000, which is less than what a first year petroleum engineer gets at Exxon or what a first year lawyer gets at Vinson & Elkins. And yes, you get to answer to knuckleheads who spend three hours in the stands on Friday night and thus believe they know everything there is to know about how to coach football since they played it also when they were in high school (running the wishbone) 30 years ago.


And you both forgot to add: You have to play/coach the kids who have the heart and drive to come out and play this game. They don't get home until after 6:30 every night, got homework (7 other classes that are not football), gotta be back at 6:45 am, and somewhere find time to memorize plays and just be teenage boys. Sometimes the heart is there, but the size and talent vary from year (and decade) to year. It is amazing really when you think about it that they even bother with such "crappy" coaching. Maybe these boys are wiser than the grandstand fans and know what they are learning is not always the wins and losses. Not saying those are not important, they are just not everything. my $.02

[shooter]

over under on this post getting locked is about 45 min...

[FeeltheHaka]

If I remember, didn't Plano come the closest to beating Southlake last year?

[slorch]

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Chuck Norris round-house
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[zippy]

And you both forgot to add: You have to play/coach the kids who have the heart and drive to come out and play this game. They don't get home until after 6:30 every night, got homework (7 other classes that are not football), gotta be back at 6:45 am, and somewhere find time to memorize plays and just be teenage boys. Sometimes the heart is there, but the size and talent vary from year (and decade) to year. It is amazing really when you think about it that they even bother with such "crappy" coaching. Maybe these boys are wiser than the grandstand fans and know what they are learning is not always the wins and losses. Not saying those are not important, they are just not everything. my $.02

Both of you are correct, I just did not want to even get into those 2 areas. Just the coaching duty is too much for some to understand. Also to add to your input CoveMom, their are girl problems, family problems, brother/sister problems, peer problems, and on and on. Its amazing how bad a player will play when he gets dumped on Thursday. 15,16,17 year old kids are still growing mentally and physically.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

As a fan, all you can do is sit in the stands and take it. Or you could get your teaching degree, and apply for the position. Just be ready to work about 90 hours, and 7 days out of the week. You will be getting home about this time of day 9:30, and will have to be in around 6:00. Cancel any weekend plans during the season. Also, remember if you do not do so hot, you will have to deal with people like you. Its fun.


If the HC at my school worked those many hours then the product on the field would be much better. However, he doesn't put in the time or does his staff like the previous coaches Kimbrough & Clark. It doesn't take 90 hours a week to work on an option keeper and continue running the same plays over and over and over again.

His committment to the program has lacking.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

And you both forgot to add: You have to play/coach the kids who have the heart and drive to come out and play this game. They don't get home until after 6:30 every night, got homework (7 other classes that are not football), gotta be back at 6:45 am, and somewhere find time to memorize plays and just be teenage boys. Sometimes the heart is there, but the size and talent vary from year (and decade) to year. It is amazing really when you think about it that they even bother with such "crappy" coaching. Maybe these boys are wiser than the grandstand fans and know what they are learning is not always the wins and losses. Not saying those are not important, they are just not everything. my $.02

Obviously you aren't from Plano and grew up in the tradition that was Plano that for over 35 years was the best in the state. Their were many years where the talent wasn't their but the drive and committment from coaching was and the program over achieved and excelled. This is a program that went 36 straight years where they only lost 3 games in 1 season 1 time.

Yes I am a fan, I was a wildcat and I know what it takes to be the best. So I have every right to 'grand stand and expect a better product on the field. It is the coaches that are letting the kids down.

[FarmerFootballPlayer]

Ha. You don't know what a fall from grace is until you've followed Lewisville High School Football Football since the opening of Hebron.

[zippy]

If the HC at my school worked those many hours then the product on the field would be much better. However, he doesn't put in the time or does his staff like the previous coaches Kimbrough & Clark. It doesn't take 90 hours a week to work on an option keeper and continue running the same plays over and over and over again.

His committment to the program has lacking.

That very well could be the case, but the fans do not make that choice. There is a LOT more to coaching HS football than winning football games. Yea, its important, but there are more important things. I have no clue what is going on in Plano, so I have no right in giving a valid opinion. Just wanted to point out some things to consider before you go too far. Send an e-mail to the AD. If he does not delete it after the first sentence it might do some good, who knows..

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

That very well could be the case, but the fans do not make that choice. There is a LOT more to coaching HS football than winning football games. Yea, its important, but there are more important things. I have no clue what is going on in Plano, so I have no right in giving a valid opinion. Just wanted to point out some things to consider before you go too far. Send an e-mail to the AD. If he does not delete it after the first sentence it might do some good, who knows..

I have sent emails to the AD and Principal, I Pointed out that state of the program, the lost revenue from falling attendance, missed playoff opportunities, etc. etc. I even mentioned the lack of concessions. When you have 4 concession stands in your stadium and you open only 2 and you have a 30 minute wait to get a freakin coke then someone ain't tending to the kitchen. Or they don't care if their dinner gets burned. :confused:

[farmerfan]

Ha. You don't know what a fall from grace is until you've followed Lewisville High School Football Football since the opening of Hebron.


Hebron didnt hurt us, FMHS did by taking away kids who we used to get out of Forrestwood MS.
Plano has suffered more of a fall than we have. Look at their history compared to ours and their fall is deffinitely a lot harder than what we have suffered through. There were many years when we were Plano's whipping boy and in the long series between the two schools you will see they have a better than 2:1 win ratio over us. We have fallen hard but nowhere near as hard as what has happend to Plano.

[wolfattack]

I have sent emails to the AD and Principal, I Pointed out that state of the program, the lost revenue from falling attendance, missed playoff opportunities, etc. etc. I even mentioned the lack of concessions. When you have 4 concession stands in your stadium and you open only 2 and you have a 30 minute wait to get a freakin coke then someone ain't tending to the kitchen. Or they don't care if their dinner gets burned. :confused:


This is a Boost club issue and you need to take it up with the BC President. Also the point about working 90 hours: Try 90 hours between Monday through Thursday. This does NOT count Friday night (at the game) or Saturday and Sunday's cut-ups, break downs and practice planning. Add these hours together and then divide by about $50,000 per year in pay- that is if the coach is lucky enough to be in a good district- this is an assistants pay scale. HC's make about $15,000. more
It seems to me that you are either a student at this school- or you honestly have no idea about the coaching side of football. Sometimes it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you do not have the talent or if the kids so not have the heart (AS A TEAM) then their isn't anything a coach can do. The district that you are in could have something to do with it as well. Not to say that Coaching does not have anything to do with it, because it does, but it takes effort from everyone- including the fans. Maybe you should think about being a better fan rather then another coach in the stands.

[rams55]

If I remember, didn't Plano come the closest to beating Southlake last year?


believe it or not i think it was gvine( i just puked a little bit)

[zippy]

I have sent emails to the AD and Principal, I Pointed out that state of the program, the lost revenue from falling attendance, missed playoff opportunities, etc. etc. I even mentioned the lack of concessions. When you have 4 concession stands in your stadium and you open only 2 and you have a 30 minute wait to get a freakin coke then someone ain't tending to the kitchen. Or they don't care if their dinner gets burned. :confused:


This is a Boost club issue and you need to take it up with the BC President. Also the point about working 90 hours: Try 90 hours between Monday through Thursday. This does NOT count Friday night (at the game) or Saturday and Sunday's cut-ups, break downs and practice planning. Add these hours together and then divide by about $50,000 per year in pay- that is if the coach is lucky enough to be in a good district- this is an assistants pay scale. HC's make about $15,000. more
It seems to me that you are either a student at this school- or you honestly have no idea about the coaching side of football. Sometimes it doesn't matter how hard you work, if you do not have the talent or if the kids so not have the heart (AS A TEAM) then their isn't anything a coach can do. The district that you are in could have something to do with it as well. Not to say that Coaching does not have anything to do with it, because it does, but it takes effort from everyone- including the fans. Maybe you should think about being a better fan rather then another coach in the stands.

I agree with everything you said, except this being a booster club issue. If you get them involved, its going to get worse as the years go on. The AD is going to make this desision. If the HC is the AD, then I would go to the HS principal. Booster clubs have many roles in HS sports, but this is not/should not be one of them. Yes they can have an opinion, but they should be relating this to the proper people. When the school boards and booster clubs get involved in things like this it turns to ****. Trust me. Of course they are going to have some part, but it needs to be as limited as possible. The booster club should have 0 involment in these types of issues. Many top coaches will pass up places that are run like this. These programs will continue to lose as well.

[CO99JTHS]

With all that is said..and i certainly agree with you all on many of these points..but what do you all think about the thought that some HC's are overpaid? I'm sure Tx has the highest paid prep coaches in the country...

[Buckfrog1]

This is not a booster club issue! The booster club has no say so in the matter what-so-ever. If you look in the booster club guidelines the head coach has every right to disband the booster club if it becomes disruptive. And I'd consider a booster club disruptive if they were trying to fire the coach. The decision belongs to the principal, AD, superintendent and school board. The booster club and parents can voice their opinion but it is only that...an opinion.

[wolfattack]

Obviously I have no idea how to wrap a quote.

The way it is meant to be read was that the CONCESSION STAND is a Booster Club issue- not a HC concern. I was responding to his Concession stand gripe.
Believe me- you are correct in NOT getting the booster club involved in firing a HC.
Sorry for the confusion!!

[zippy]

This is not a booster club issue! The booster club has no say so in the matter what-so-ever. If you look in the booster club guidelines the head coach has every right to disband the booster club if it becomes disruptive. And I'd consider a booster club disruptive if they were trying to fire the coach. The decision belongs to the principal, AD, superintendent and school board. The booster club and parents can voice their opinion but it is only that...an opinion.

Thats what I was trying to say in my prior post. The quote thing didnt work for some reason. It was all jacked up.

[Sakatha]

If I remember, didn't Plano come the closest to beating Southlake last year?

Grapevine...

~DnM

[zippy]

With all that is said..and i certainly agree with you all on many of these points..but what do you all think about the thought that some HC's are overpaid? I'm sure Tx has the highest paid prep coaches in the country...

Overpaid? They work a lot of hours, have a lot of employees, have a huge responsibility (75 or so young kids), the working conditions can be harsh, they bring in a large amount of money for the school. I think the people that are overpaid are the ones that work 4-5 hours per day sitting in an office signing papers making 2-3 million per year or more.

[wolfattack]

With all that is said..and i certainly agree with you all on many of these points..but what do you all think about the thought that some HC's are overpaid? I'm sure Tx has the highest paid prep coaches in the country...


HC ARE NOT OVERPAID!!!!
I do not think anyone "outside" understands the amount of work is involved here. I don't even want to get into it. That is ridiculous. They work 7 days per week and their job security is based on whether or not a 16-18 year old can get the job done on the field. They LITERALLY work from 5:30 am to 9:45 pm and that is JUST Monday - Friday. Fridays are usually 6am-12:45pm and then Saturday 7:30am-6pm and Sunday 1pm-11:30pm
Then they start ALL over again on Mondays. They have NO TIME for their own familys and all of this for 1 night. Than they have to take flack from the other m"coach's" in the stands, and parents who think they are coach's b/c they coached Pop Warner.
I love that they do what they do because my Friday's would be boring without them, and I am certainly NOT going to critsize a coach for making a few minor mistakes. It's a GAME- I wish people weren't such sore losers!! haha

[Sakatha]

With all that is said..and i certainly agree with you all on many of these points..but what do you all think about the thought that some HC's are overpaid? I'm sure Tx has the highest paid prep coaches in the country...

I think that anyone who believes that is horribly misinformed...

Just go from a standpoint of INCOME they generate for the district, and they are worth their weight in gold...

~DnM

[ken-in-rockwall]

With all that is said..and i certainly agree with you all on many of these points..but what do you all think about the thought that some HC's are overpaid? I'm sure Tx has the highest paid prep coaches in the country...

Yes, they are overpaid when comparing them to other teachers. (ok i'm going to hear it about this.)

Don't get me wrong I think that football (sports) is a great way for kids to grow and mature but without an education where to they end up. Many of these kids that are GOOD football players don't make it pass their 2nd year of college due to grades. Those that understand that education is part of it make it in college and beyond. Teachers also put in huge amounts of time at home (lessons, papers, etc.), use their own money to purchase things for classrooms, and all for less pay.

[pbox]

***'t. coaches are underpaid!

[wolfattack]

Yes, they are overpaid when comparing them to other teachers. (ok i'm going to hear it about this.)

Don't get me wrong I think that football (sports) is a great way for kids to grow and mature but without an education where to they end up. Many of these kids that are GOOD football players don't make it pass their 2nd year of college due to grades. Those that understand that education is part of it make it in college and beyond. Teachers also put in huge amounts of time at home (lessons, papers, etc.), use their own money to purchase things for classrooms, and all for less pay.


Agree about the fact that Teachers put in hours at home- BUT they get a conference time at school which allows them to greade papers, run copies act. If they don't get their things done during this time- its their own fault (most of the time)
MOST (not all) coach's have 1 conference and they spend it going to the Freshman athletic period. I am talking about ALL Coach's(assistants and HC).
They have SOOOO many things to do and to take care of. Coach's are paid a base teaching salary then they get a STIPEND. (which is not very much) .
Coach's are also responsible for making sure that their athletes pass. They do grade chacks and speak with their teachers. Coach'e also teach classes and are responsible for grading their papers, ect. My point is to remember that Coach's are also teachers and they do the same things and even a little more and They spend their own personal money on things for their classroom too.

[4th & short]

I would bet you that if you looked at how much per hour an asst. coach gets for coaching football aside for their teaching job it would be less than $1 per hour. Take their coaching stipend and divide it by the hours they work just coaching. A Head coach is in charge of every sport at every level. That is about 2000 kids a year or more. Plus administering 50 or more coaches from junior high on up. Divide that be the amount of money he or she gets. Calculate how much the principals get to administer a teacher and how much a teacher gets for teaching each kid. You will find that the coaches are the most underpaid people in the entire school including janitors and lunch people. That why I got out of coaching and teaching.