Most over rated team in your opinion?

[StarmanDX]

Colleyville Heritage. A team that has yet to have an impressive win or a win over an impressive opponent. Have they beaten a team over .500 yet? The 2 good teams they have played they lost, one close(take 1st games of the season with a grain of salt) and one a spanking. Of course those passing numbers are going to look good when you can't run the ball.

Burleson is over rated too. That district is one of the traditionally weakest districts in 5-a year in and year out.

Some other teams I think are over rated: Flower Mound, Marcus, L.D. Bell, Northwest, Grapevine

[FarmerFootballPlayer]

Marcus is way overrated. Although, after consecutive spankings from rivals Flower Mound and Lewisville, I don't think many think too highly of them anymore.

I don't think Flower Mound's overrated, though. I think they're for real. I think they'll give Coppell a better game than Hebron will, even though Hebron is a better team than Flower Mound and beat them, Flower Mound matches up better with the Cowboys.

[rams55]

Colleyville Heritage. A team that has yet to have an impressive win or a win over an impressive opponent. Have they beaten a team over .500 yet? The 2 good teams they have played they lost, one close(take 1st games of the season with a grain of salt) and one a spanking. Of course those passing numbers are going to look good when you can't run the ball.

Burleson is over rated too. That district is one of the traditionally weakest districts in 5-a year in and year out.

Some other teams I think are over rated: Flower Mound, Marcus, L.D. Bell, Northwest, Grapevine
sometimes people just need to learn to shut there mouth

i hope colleyville sees you in the playoffs and tears you a new one

[SeguinMatadors]

Churchill by a lot of people on this board.

[The Dude]

Cinco Ranch

only 1 win over a team with a winning record (5-2 Cy Ridge) and they only won 10-6. 4 of their wins came from teams with only 1 or no wins.

This is not a top 25 team in the state, and it'll show this Saturday. Give 'em a few more years though, and they'll start to be a real force. For now though, OVERRATED

[kakouton]

Cinco Ranch.

[jrock210]

to all the ppl in this board(with the exception of judson fans) judson is over rated but i dont think so

[katyguy09]

STINCO Ranch

[FootballCrazy727]

Colleyville Heritage....What have they EVER done to get any respect?

[KT2000]

I don't think you can call Cinco overrated at this point. They beat Cy Ridge and Ridge has actually surprised by how well they've played this year given how young they are.

The real evaluation of Cinco may not even happen this week regardless of result. Cinco is going to the playoffs, and I'll be curious to see if they can string together a win or two when they're playing in that format.

They have only played one team with a winning record, but they've won 7 out of 7 regardless. It's amazing what winning does to the overall attitude of a team.

Just look at Cy Falls in the playoffs last year. They stumble in with a 6-4 record, put together a few wins in the playoffs and then all of a sudden they're pushing a record setting and undefeated Katy team to the brink of elimination. You never know where your challenges might come from.

[Humblefied]

Right now...until this next friday I state that Humble is overrated.

Isnt over rated supposed to be one word? Or is it two now?

[rams55]

Colleyville Heritage....What have they EVER done to get any respect?
well we didnt loose to haltom

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Easy JUDSON!! OVERRATED for 06. Decline has begun.:)

[Pantherguy]

Colleyville Heritage. A team that has yet to have an impressive win or a win over an impressive opponent. Have they beaten a team over .500 yet? The 2 good teams they have played they lost, one close(take 1st games of the season with a grain of salt) and one a spanking. Of course those passing numbers are going to look good when you can't run the ball.

Burleson is over rated too. That district is one of the traditionally weakest districts in 5-a year in and year out.

Some other teams I think are over rated: Flower Mound, Marcus, L.D. Bell, Northwest, Grapevine

OK Starman, I will take the bait...my question is who has played the tougher schedule, us or SGP? SGP gets ranked above us in the polls, but our schedule is tougher than yours and you would have the same record we would and we would have the same record you would. Don't tell me Mansfield Summit either, becuase they got beat by Marcus. So your best win is Plano West? A team that is 3-4? Really your problem is with 5-5A and the media coverage it gets...and I agree with you....but it has always been like that and probably always will...Every point you make about Colleyville is right, but I will make the same point about SGP, and it holds water too...

[battlin'bulldawgs]

to stir up some folks...SLC...:eek: im just kiddin:D

[zippy]

Churchill by a lot of people on this board.

Some consider them under too.

[dragons08]

Heritage

all that trash about how this is the year they beat us...yeah they got killed

[rams55]

Heritage

all that trash about how this is the year they beat us...yeah they got killed

at least you earned the right to say it

[Pantherguy]

Heritage

all that trash about how this is the year they beat us...yeah they got killed

Overrated...Band members talking trash about football...ha ha...just kidding dragons08....

[dragons08]

Overrated...Band members talking trash about football...ha ha...just kidding dragons08....
considering i've played a little pick up game of football against one of your players as well...more than qualified dont ya think?

[Pantherguy]

considering i've played a little pick up game of football against one of your players as well...more than qualified dont ya think?

I was just kidding with you man...everyone is entitled to their own opinion...games wouldn't be the same without you guys there...

[dragons08]

I was just kidding with you man...everyone is entitled to their own opinion...games wouldn't be the same without you guys there...
i know i was just proving, i have athletic ability thats all :D

[rams55]

i know i was just proving, i have athletic ability thats all :D

its in the water there i swear

[jrock210]

Easy JUDSON!! OVERRATED for 06. Decline has begun.:)
i was waiting for someone to say judson....they beat (to what i believe) the most over rated team in the region madison just because they are judson doesnt mean say judson is over rated...thats like saying slc's championships r flukes..its total bull crap

[SeguinMatadors]

Some consider them under too.

Yeah, and those are the people who overrate them.;)

[dragons08]

its in the water there i swear
haha, could be, but there are some...kids who couldnt run a lap if their life depended on it...

i wish we had to run or something in band, its sooooo easy to get an athletic credit....we need like a lap warmup or somethign

[elprezidente]

haha, could be, but there are some...kids who couldnt run a lap if their life depended on it...

i wish we had to run or something in band, its sooooo easy to get an athletic credit....we need like a lap warmup or somethign
damn yall need an ex dci guy.......quick.

[zippy]

Yeah, and those are the people who overrate them.;)

For the first half against Madison they were the real deal. No doubt about that. As for the entire game against Madison, I think they did OK. I did not see them play Judson however. Fanuzzi played about like I expected him to. He also took some shots that I figured would knock him out of the game, and he bounced back up. I was kind of surprised. They have a couple of very good defensive players, and their RB is pretty good.

[rams55]

haha, could be, but there are some...kids who couldnt run a lap if their life depended on it...

i wish we had to run or something in band, its sooooo easy to get an athletic credit....we need like a lap warmup or somethign

but those who couldnt run a lap at yoiur school or my school have there lifes set. REMEMBER they are rich kids and rich kids dont have to work

[elprezidente]

but those who couldnt run a lap at yoiur school or my school have there lifes set. REMEMBER they are rich kids and rich kids dont have to work
nah man i kno po' people who still wont run(kinda me).....the wills not there

[rams55]

well those po' people who dont run are just getting ready incase there is a food shortage

[dragons08]

but those who couldnt run a lap at yoiur school or my school have there lifes set. REMEMBER they are rich kids and rich kids dont have to work
to a certain extent...i dont think many people wanna live with mom and dad forever, plus the parents here have enough sense to instill a work ethic of some sort in their kids (hence why were so good at everything)

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

i was waiting for someone to say judson....they beat (to what i believe) the most over rated team in the region madison just because they are judson doesnt mean say judson is over rated...thats like saying slc's championships r flukes..its total bull crap


Of course your waiting because you know it is coming true. You guys no doubt have been the most successful program in 5A. The reasons can be debated all day and no one will agree. Size of the school? Region 4? etc. etc.

However over the last 5 years chinks are becoming to show in the armor. With Wagnor opening draining kids from the school unfortunately you will not be able to maintain the type of success you had in the 90's in her heyday. Just Like Plano was the best 5A team in the 80's had success in the early an mid 90's. Plano went to a state final and lost to Judson won a state final over Katy. Sound familar Judson? Then after a few years 6-4 became the norm with an occassional nice run in the playoffs.

You might not be overrated by the majority on this site. However, by the end of the decade you will look back fondly on the last state final you made last year and crave for a 10-5 record.

No fan/homer likes seeing to see their foodball dynasty fade or admit to it. I am still kicking and screaming about Plano's abysmal record over the last decade. However Judson is on the edge of the cliff about to go over.

[rams55]

to a certain extent...i dont think many people wanna live with mom and dad forever, plus the parents here have enough sense to instill a work ethic of some sort in their kids (hence why were so good at everything)

you and i both know that not all the parents here in our little part of TEXAS instill work ethic

for both colleyville and SLC kids moving out means moving to the guest house:D :D

[dragons08]

you and i both know that not all the parents here in our little part of TEXAS instill work ethic

for both colleyville and SLC kids moving out means moving to the guest house:D :D
oh i know, almost 17 havnet had a job, while theres kids who have been working since 15, if not earlier..i help around the house, cut grass, do xmas lights (just the low ones, we have people come and do the roof), check the pool every once and a while

[rams55]

oh i know, almost 17 havnet had a job, while theres kids who have been working since 15, if not earlier..i help around the house, cut grass, do xmas lights (just the low ones, we have people come and do the roof), check the pool every once and a while


sounds rough


look im not saying there is no work ethis in either enviroment because it takes perantal work ethic to be able to afford a house in the area

heck the day after i graduated i moved to new orleans and worked everyday from 730am to 1130 pm. now thats work

[dragons08]

sounds rough


look im not saying there is no work ethis in either enviroment because it takes perantal work ethic to be able to afford a house in the area

heck the day after i graduated i moved to new orleans and worked everyday from 730am to 1130 pm. now thats work
just wondering, what made you do that?

[PACK]

oh i know, almost 17 havnet had a job, while theres kids who have been working since 15, if not earlier..i help around the house, cut grass, do xmas lights (just the low ones, we have people come and do the roof), check the pool every once and a while

Shoot that's nothing, we have folks to come by weekly and make sure all the gators are out of the pond before we swim. :eek:
BTW, The Lufkin Band runs laps.

[dragons08]

Shoot that's nothing, we have folks to come by weekly and make sure all the gators are out of the pond before we swim. :eek:
BTW, The Lufkin Band runs laps.
i know what i do is nothing, just saying its what i acuttally do...its not hard work, have i done yard work? yes, 16 straight hours of community service...did a concession stand/clean up at a softball tournment....had to empty all the garbage cans throught day, did concession stand, took care of the fields, etc...that was some hard work...the clothes i wore had to be washed a few times before being able to be worn again

also help put soda in the coolers, and put ice in them, as well as put water and ice in the water jugs at football games(for the band). if i want to i can work as hard as anyone, but usually i dont..i have more fun goofing around, having fun, enjoying being young where i can do stupid things and wont through out my hip!

[rams55]

just wondering, what made you do that?

MONEY

[farmerfan]

i know what i do is nothing, just saying its what i acuttally do...its not hard work, have i done yard work? yes, 16 straight hours of community service...did a concession stand/clean up at a softball tournment....had to empty all the garbage cans throught day, did concession stand, took care of the fields, etc...that was some hard work...the clothes i wore had to be washed a few times before being able to be worn again

also help put soda in the coolers, and put ice in them, as well as put water and ice in the water jugs at football games(for the band). if i want to i can work as hard as anyone, but usually i dont..i have more fun goofing around, having fun, enjoying being young where i can do stupid things and wont through out my hip!


I had a job my soph and junior year in HS, worked at Minyard food stores and we spent all our evenings having cart races. Never got in trouble since the manager on duty for the evening shifts was usually chaining cigarettes out back.
My senior year I did not have to work and had enough money saved up to hve some fun. After my first semester in college which was away frm home I came back and worked out at DFW airport for UPS from 3-8am Tues-Saturdays. The good thing about that job is it paid for up to 4000 a year in college tuition. Right now in my final two semesters of college I am lucky in that I dont have to work. However looking back on the job I had in HS I never took pride in it, we always had more fun and used to get in trouble by all the parents who came in and yelled at us for being smart *** kids or not taking our jobs seriously. I mean we were just there for the pay check so we could go out and buy the eggs or ammo for our paintball guns we would use on the kids we didnt like later that night :D

[bobcatDL07]

this thread is overrated

[ktCarl]

Cy-Falls.

[aCm 07]

Cy-Falls.


Agreed.

[jrock210]

Of course your waiting because you know it is coming true. You guys no doubt have been the most successful program in 5A. The reasons can be debated all day and no one will agree. Size of the school? Region 4? etc. etc.

However over the last 5 years chinks are becoming to show in the armor. With Wagnor opening draining kids from the school unfortunately you will not be able to maintain the type of success you had in the 90's in her heyday. Just Like Plano was the best 5A team in the 80's had success in the early an mid 90's. Plano went to a state final and lost to Judson won a state final over Katy. Sound familar Judson? Then after a few years 6-4 became the norm with an occassional nice run in the playoffs.

You might not be overrated by the majority on this site. However, by the end of the decade you will look back fondly on the last state final you made last year and crave for a 10-5 record.

No fan/homer likes seeing to see their foodball dynasty fade or admit to it. I am still kicking and screaming about Plano's abysmal record over the last decade. However Judson is on the edge of the cliff about to go over.
u r right but remember every team has to eventually end just like dynasies and empires fail so do teams...judson will not have a losing season for awhile because according to alot of ppl once this new hs in the area opens up then judson will be out of 26 along with wagner and they will move to a district where (i believe)judson will dominate

[DiamondJ2]

jrock, PWF is just PO'd after doing so well for the 1st time in awhile last year and this year they may go from the penthouse to the outhouse. Misery loves company, and he just wants someone to join him. It won't be the Rockets anytime soon.

[TXfootball]

Cinco ranch is over rated, they havent played anyone good. And they still have to play katy and katy taylor, two teams that in my opinion will beat cinco.

Cy falls is definetly UNDER-RATED.
Are you kidding me? Cy falls has one of the most explosive teams i have seen in a while, great defense, and speed that goes on for days. Good luck beating this team

[TigerDb08]

judson and cyfalls

[jrock210]

jrock, PWF is just PO'd after doing so well for the 1st time in awhile last year and this year they may go from the penthouse to the outhouse. Misery loves company, and he just wants someone to join him. It won't be the Rockets anytime soon.
i didnt say it would be but im sayin when we move we will dominate

[LUFPAN]

Wow! A subject like this normally draws Lonny like a moth to a light bulb. Here's another thread for him to explain why Lufkin is overated and underachieving and he's not yet taken advantage of it.

[LeanderLions3033]

At one point i was going to say that in the Austin Area it was RR Westwood considering how Leander's offense absolutely ran through them (i know i know, only 28 points but 527 yards of total offense. Turnovers killed us in this game). But they keep winning, and they've beaten some respectable teams along the way. So IMO there aren't too many teams that we can consider overrated at this point in the Austin Area. We'll find out if Cedar Park is overrated over the next 3 games.

[jrock210]

another one i think is killeen ellison

[RocketTRN]

Of course your waiting because you know it is coming true. You guys no doubt have been the most successful program in 5A. The reasons can be debated all day and no one will agree. Size of the school? Region 4? etc. etc.

However over the last 5 years chinks are becoming to show in the armor. With Wagnor opening draining kids from the school unfortunately you will not be able to maintain the type of success you had in the 90's in her heyday. Just Like Plano was the best 5A team in the 80's had success in the early an mid 90's. Plano went to a state final and lost to Judson won a state final over Katy. Sound familar Judson? Then after a few years 6-4 became the norm with an occassional nice run in the playoffs.

You might not be overrated by the majority on this site. However, by the end of the decade you will look back fondly on the last state final you made last year and crave for a 10-5 record.

No fan/homer likes seeing to see their foodball dynasty fade or admit to it. I am still kicking and screaming about Plano's abysmal record over the last decade. However Judson is on the edge of the cliff about to go over.

That's why we are sitting at 4-1 in the arguably the toughest district in the state...

and by the way, try to reprase " However over the last 5 years chinks are becoming to show in the armor." I would recommend changing becoming to beginning...

If Judson end's up 14-2, are you gonna say we are still declining?

[elkfbfan]

Colleyville Heritage. A team that has yet to have an impressive win or a win over an impressive opponent. Have they beaten a team over .500 yet? The 2 good teams they have played they lost, one close(take 1st games of the season with a grain of salt) and one a spanking. Of course those passing numbers are going to look good when you can't run the ball.

Burleson is over rated too. That district is one of the traditionally weakest districts in 5-a year in and year out.

Some other teams I think are over rated: Flower Mound, Marcus, L.D. Bell, Northwest, Grapevine

I would say Burleson is periennally underrated- I tell ya we get no respect! If we beat Summit we will get a little- we need to beat them to get a more favorable 1st round playoff matchup- Odessa High or Midland instead of Permian.;)

[TigerDb08]

another one i think is killeen ellison

agreed
45-14

[jrock210]

agreed
45-14
lol and (2 me)pretty much any team in killeen...2 yrs ago it was killeen shoemaker when they missed the playoffs by 1 win or something

[hollywood]

Wow! A subject like this normally draws Lonny like a moth to a light bulb. Here's another thread for him to explain why Lufkin is overated and underachieving and he's not yet taken advantage of it.Maybe you overated Lonny ....:o

[jrock210]

Maybe you overated Lonny ....:o
no hes going to be here soon trust me im a doctor (lol jk im not but just trust me):D

[hollywood]

He does not show to be logged on at the moment. Do you think we can make it to another page before he notices?

[jrock210]

ya mb but who knows he might be on vacation like a few ppl have...

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

That's why we are sitting at 4-1 in the arguably the toughest district in the state...

and by the way, try to reprase " However over the last 5 years chinks are becoming to show in the armor." I would recommend changing becoming to beginning...

If Judson end's up 14-2, are you gonna say we are still declining?

1st. Judson will not be 14-2. second regardless of how you finish the inevitable is coming. You lost 5 games last year you lost 4 a few years ago. that counts 9. which is close to what you lost in all of the 90's. Take off the rose colored glasses. You guys getting number 6 in state titles while be a tough challenge.

[jrock210]

1st. Judson will not be 14-2. second regardless of how you finish the inevitable is coming. You lost 5 games last year you lost 4 a few years ago. that counts 9. which is close to what you lost in all of the 90's. Take off the rose colored glasses. You guys getting number 6 in state titles while be a tough challenge.
not really seeing the fact that we have 6 state titles already and we did that in 2002 but remember that we had these losses last yr and still made it to the finals w/ an unexperianced team and this yr they r smarter and more prepared

[bleedblue]

i also say colleyville heritage. they havent done anything since moving up to 5a. each time they play a game against a playoff team they lose.

whoever said sgp has a weaker schedule than colleyville may be right, but colleyville's isn't that good either. sgp is doing fine for losing 17 starters, all 11 on defense and graduating as many as they did to D1. colleyville returned many of their players from last year.

[Phoenixrising05]

i also say colleyville heritage. they havent done anything since moving up to 5a. each time they play a game against a playoff team they lose.

whoever said sgp has a weaker schedule than colleyville may be right, but colleyville's isn't that good either. sgp is doing fine for losing 17 starters, all 11 on defense and graduating as many as they did to D1. colleyville returned many of their players from last year.

they didn't do anything in 4a either haha

Honestly I think the most over-rated team of all time in texas, EVERY year, is Dallas Carter. They always start out highly ranked...then beat up on tons of inner-city crappy schools and move up in the ranks....then all their posers come out saying how PHYSICAL and scary their runnig game is...then what happens? they get their butts whooped by a non-dallas school in the playoffs. THANKFULLY this year they sucked early-on so we didnt' have to listen to all their hype throughout the regular season! haha

[CCBoy]

they didn't do anything in 4a either haha

Honestly I think the most over-rated team of all time in texas, EVERY year, is Dallas Carter. They always start out highly ranked...then beat up on tons of inner-city crappy schools and move up in the ranks....then all their posers come out saying how PHYSICAL and scary their runnig game is...then what happens? they get their butts whooped by a non-dallas school in the playoffs. THANKFULLY this year they sucked early-on so we didnt' have to listen to all their hype throughout the regular season! haha
One thing I can truely say is that you haven't been keeping track of the Carter posters post. If you look back you'll find that Carter posters are probably the most modest posters on this site, whether ranked or not. With the non-district schedule that is put together I would say that Carter does well. This year they had a loss to Longview and to Mesquite. Carter beat a great John Tyler team as well as a good Plano team. All four teams mentioned above are teams that many would consider good to great teams. Carter is far from the all-time most over-rated team....by that remark it shows that little research was done on your part.

[ktCarl]

Cy-Falls.

I guess I couldn't get CyFallsMom to take the bait.

[cyfallsbooster2]

I guess I couldn't get CyFallsMom to take the bait.
You better hope she does not see this! She will be ALL over you!

[JoeC]

When just looking at pure numbers alone, I'm kind of concerned for #17 Cedar Park. Their margin of victory (26-14) is only 12 pts. How in the world does one manage to be 7-0 with a margin of victory so low? :confused: It would be easily understood if CP had a couple of losses, but 7-0... Either they had a monster of a pre-district schedule, a monster of a district (balanced top to bottom - parity), or both :eek: or they're simply not as good as their record and ranking indicates. :rolleyes: I haven't a clue... will someone from that district or CP please explain?? :cool:

[pack0808]

Well this is not on topic but I clearly thought that Longview was the most unerrated coming into this season not to even be in the top 25. They are easily a top 25 type team IMO.

[rams55]

COLLEYVILLE HERITAGE went into the playoff in 4a multiple times right before going to 5a


and watch what you sgp people say because you might be suprised if we get the opportunity to play SGP in the playoffs

[JoeC]

Well this is not on topic but I clearly thought that Longview was the most unerrated coming into this season not to even be in the top 25. They are easily a top 25 type team IMO.

Your vote of confidence is much appreciated my man - much respect!! But I kind of understand, especially from those that do not know much about LV . . . To be fair, we had only one returning starter (an O-lineman)... even we (LV fans) had major concerns... I don't care what happens from here on out (psyche!! – really I do), we're really proud of these kids for “stepping up to the plate (wait a minute, that's a baseball example) - - “stepping up to the challenge and taking it to the field...”

[toddg]

not really seeing the fact that we have 6 state titles already and we did that in 2002 but remember that we had these losses last yr and still made it to the finals w/ an unexperianced team and this yr they r smarter and more prepared


prepared to meet the dragons in this years final?...judson will be alright..i do not see a decline anytime soon for that proud program..

[Zacharary]

Cinco Ranch

only 1 win over a team with a winning record (5-2 Cy Ridge) and they only won 10-6. 4 of their wins came from teams with only 1 or no wins.

This is not a top 25 team in the state, and it'll show this Saturday. Give 'em a few more years though, and they'll start to be a real force. For now though, OVERRATED

I couldn't agree more

[ttech10]

4 of their wins came from teams with only 1 or no wins.


This is true. But I can also say that 3 of Katy's wins will be against teams that have only 1 or 0 wins.

[ktCarl]

Well this is not on topic but I clearly thought that Longview was the most unerrated coming into this season not to even be in the top 25. They are easily a top 25 type team IMO.


PACK0808!!! You finally posted a picture of yourself! I figured you might sport a goatee but man, that's a baaaaaaad photo, except for the perfect white teeth. :D

[jrock210]

prepared to meet the dragons in this years final?...judson will be alright..i do not see a decline anytime soon for that proud program..
well the way r district goes we r prepared for anything

[pack0808]

PACK0808!!! You finally posted a picture of yourself! I figured you might sport a goatee but man, that's a baaaaaaad photo, except for the perfect white teeth. :D


It is hot don't hate.

[FootballCrazy727]

COLLEYVILLE HERITAGE went into the playoff in 4a multiple times right before going to 5a


and watch what you sgp people say because you might be suprised if we get the opportunity to play SGP in the playoffs
CHHS has been to the playoffs twice maybe 3 times in their 10 yrs. of exsitence never making it past the 2nd round i believe

[rams55]

CHHS has been to the playoffs twice maybe 3 times in their 10 yrs. of exsitence never making it past the 2nd round i believe
all of done the years prior to going 5a i believe

[StarmanDX]

COLLEYVILLE HERITAGE went into the playoff in 4a multiple times right before going to 5a


and watch what you sgp people say because you might be suprised if we get the opportunity to play SGP in the playoffs

Won't happen because Coppell will run the ball down your throat like they did with Grapevine. No team in 5-5a except Carroll can stop a good running offense. We will beat our 1st round opponent and move on to face Coppell. Now that will be a good one.

[Pantherguy]

CHHS has been to the playoffs twice maybe 3 times in their 10 yrs. of exsitence never making it past the 2nd round i believe


Wrong...Colleyville went deep into the playoffs in '98 in 4A (the same year y'all won the state title in 4A), and has been twice in 5A...actually, I could be mistaken about this (please correct if wrong), but I think Grapevine and Colleyville has won the same number of playoff games in 5A...1...so neither one of us has set the world on fire in 5A...we beat Creekview in 2002, and you guys beat Richland in '95? the year before the schools split...so we have actually fared in 5A a little better than you guys...

[nevaplayedk9]

to all the ppl in this board(with the exception of judson fans) judson is over rated but i dont think so
beginning of the season were overrated, by november we are underrated.
it's not how you start, but how you finish!!!!!!:D

[rams55]

Won't happen because Coppell will run the ball down your throat like they did with Grapevine. No team in 5-5a except Carroll can stop a good running offense. We will beat our 1st round opponent and move on to face Coppell. Now that will be a good one.

i sure hope you do if the predictions are right you will play ARLINGTON MARTIN(yawn)

[CyFalls#1]

Have to say A&M Cons ... saw them one time ... a pathetic showing against a good but not great Katy team. Couldn't pass, marginal running attack and very overrated LB corps.

[Phoenixrising05]

One thing I can truely say is that you haven't been keeping track of the Carter posters post. If you look back you'll find that Carter posters are probably the most modest posters on this site, whether ranked or not. With the non-district schedule that is put together I would say that Carter does well. This year they had a loss to Longview and to Mesquite. Carter beat a great John Tyler team as well as a good Plano team. All four teams mentioned above are teams that many would consider good to great teams. Carter is far from the all-time most over-rated team....by that remark it shows that little research was done on your part.

My original comment made absolutely NO reference to Carter posters. None. I was simply responding to the thread: "most over RATED team"...I can't speak for 00, or 01, but from 02-05 Carter was ranked in the top 5-10 every year before their fall. Here is your research:

2005 Lost in 2nd round to Garland
2004 Lost in 2nd round to Mesquite
2003 Lost in 3rd round to Leander
2002 Lost in 2nd round to Longview
2001 Lost in 1st round to Lufkin
2000 Lost in 1st round to Tyler

Seems pretty over-rated to me when your team doesn't make it out of the area yet you're ranked in the top 10 in state each year. :confused:

[StarmanDX]

Wrong...Colleyville went deep into the playoffs in '98 in 4A (the same year y'all won the state title in 4A), and has been twice in 5A...actually, I could be mistaken about this (please correct if wrong), but I think Grapevine and Colleyville has won the same number of playoff games in 5A...1...so neither one of us has set the world on fire in 5A...we beat Creekview in 2002, and you guys beat Richland in '95? the year before the schools split...so we have actually fared in 5A a little better than you guys...

Arlington Martin has more impressive wins than any team in 5-5a sans Southlake

[unbiasedobserver]

I really don't agree with your reasoning Phoenix. Lets say SLC and Trinity meet in the first round this year. These two teams could easily be the two best in the state. Does losing in round one mean that one of the teams was overrated? I really don't think losing to Tyler or Lufkin (their championship year), or Longview in those three years means that Carter was overrated. They may have been, but I don't think losing in the first or second round is proof.

[The Dude]

This is true. But I can also say that 3 of Katy's wins will be against teams that have only 1 or 0 wins.

Ya, but Cinco will have wins over those exact same teams. Go look at who they played pre-district. AMC,Klein,woodlands, compared to cy-ridge, cy springs, strake jesuit.... that's not anywhere close to being on the same level as the opponents Katy faced.

Even up to this point in district, Katy has played the best teams(excluding Cinco) while Cinco has played the worst and still has two of the better ones to go(K. Taylor and Hastings) after Katy. They both have played the absolutely worst team by far in the district, in Morton Ranch.

Cinco is not ready to play the big boys yet. They will get destroyed saturday.

[Phoenixrising05]

I really don't agree with your reasoning Phoenix. Lets say SLC and Trinity meet in the first round this year. These two teams could easily be the two best in the state. Does losing in round one mean that one of the teams was overrated? I really don't think losing to Tyler or Lufkin (their championship year), or Longview in those three years means that Carter was overrated. They may have been, but I don't think losing in the first or second round is proof.

Aight i'm game:

While what you say is true, your logic also implies that the winner of the Trinity vs SLC game would go on to either win or lose in the state title game. So I traced the winner who beat Carter in the playoffs to see how deep they went. Pretty interesting stuff towards the bottom. Initially, it appears i'm correct in that they shouldn't have been in the top 10 in state because the team that beat them got beat themselves (badly) in the next round. HOWEVER, in the years I said I didn't know about, 00 and 01, Carter actually got beat by the team that eventually went to the finals!

My original point was that Carter shouldn't have been so highly ranked from 02-05 based on their wins over the Dallas teams. That would be like ranking Coppell in the top 5 right now just b/c they've slaughtered a bunch of so-so teams. Heres the data

2005 lost to Garland, who then went 1 more round and lost to Copperas Cove
2004 lost to Mesquite, who then went 1 more round and lost to Cedar Park
2003 lost to Leander, who then went 1 more round and lost to Allen
2002 lost to Longview, who then went 2 more rounds and lost to Lufkin
2001 lost to Lufkin, who then went 5 more rounds and won State!
2000 lost to Tyler, who then went 5 more rounds and lost to Katy

[ttech10]

This is true about Cinco playing the worst teams in the district so far, but I am pretty sure that Taylor nor Hastings should prove to be much of a problem. Why Cinco scheduled Strake I have no idea.

[Pantherguy]

Arlington Martin has more impressive wins than any team in 5-5a sans Southlake

SGP schedule looks just like the rest from 5-5A...NO quality wins, just a quality loss.

[bullrock]

Ouch! SLC has no quality wins! Well they don't have but 1 quality loss..........in the last 4 years!

[drgnbkr]

Arlington Martin has more impressive wins than any team in 5-5a sans Southlake
Your really reaching now...Arlington Martin? Wow...:eek:

[Pantherguy]

Ouch! SLC has no quality wins! Well they don't have but 1 quality loss..........in the last 4 years!

I was really talking about SGP...he always tries to compare them with the 5-5A schools...my point was if 5-5A has no quality wins, neither does SGP...no shot as SLC at all, trust me, they are the king until proven otherwise...

[78 Spartan]

I am struggling to understand how a one-loss Churchill team, that beat Judson by the way, is unranked while a two-loss Judson team is ranked so highly. I know Judson isn't chopped liver, but either they are overrated, or Churchill is underrated. It has to be one or the other.

[CCBoy]

My original comment made absolutely NO reference to Carter posters. None. I was simply responding to the thread: "most over RATED team"...I can't speak for 00, or 01, but from 02-05 Carter was ranked in the top 5-10 every year before their fall. Here is your research:

2005 Lost in 2nd round to Garland
2004 Lost in 2nd round to Mesquite
2003 Lost in 3rd round to Leander
2002 Lost in 2nd round to Longview
2001 Lost in 1st round to Lufkin
2000 Lost in 1st round to Tyler

Seems pretty over-rated to me when your team doesn't make it out of the area yet you're ranked in the top 10 in state each year. :confused:
In your original comment you did make reference to Carter's posters which isn't really a big deal to me.

"Honestly I think the most over-rated team of all time in texas, EVERY year, is Dallas Carter. They always start out highly ranked...then beat up on tons of inner-city crappy schools and move up in the ranks....then all their posers come out saying how PHYSICAL and scary their runnig game is...then what happens? they get their butts whooped by a non-dallas school in the playoffs. THANKFULLY this year they sucked early-on so we didnt' have to listen to all their hype throughout the regular season! haha"

Also look at the teams Carter lost to. All those teams are pretty good to me if you ask. Carter may be over-rated just as many others when the season starts, but MOST OVER-RATED? I doubt it seriously.

[KT2000]

A couple of DFW contacts tell me Cedar Hill is definitely the most overrated team in our top 25.

[Pantherguy]

A couple of DFW contacts tell me Cedar Hill is definitely the most overrated team in our top 25.

KT, they may be overrated, but with the way the brackets look to be setting up (SLC, ET going D1), they should breeze into the state semis. D2 in Region 1 is just looking to be real weak. They may not be the 5th best (or wherever you guys have them ranked) team in the state, but they will be playing into December, I would think...

Personally, I think they are the real deal with the speed and talent they have but at some point they are going to have to win tough playoff games, which they have never really done before, so we will have to see if this is the year they break through...

[TigerHat]

Houston Lamar. They are the best team in inner city Houston - but in my opinion they are not up to their usual standards. Good athletes, but they look disorganized. I suspect that Alief Hastings would beat them based simply on team organization. The inner city schools are really weak this year.

[StormingCowboy]

they didn't do anything in 4a either haha

Honestly I think the most over-rated team of all time in texas, EVERY year, is Dallas Carter. They always start out highly ranked...then beat up on tons of inner-city crappy schools and move up in the ranks....then all their posers come out saying how PHYSICAL and scary their runnig game is...then what happens? they get their butts whooped by a non-dallas school in the playoffs. THANKFULLY this year they sucked early-on so we didnt' have to listen to all their hype throughout the regular season! haha

To be honest the reason why Carter is shown so much love in the beginning of seasons is because their talent level is so high and Allen Wilson has a successful past. And when they keep winning, there's no reason to drop them in the rankings. This year they have played the toughest schedule since Wilson has been there, and they lost early like you said, but they lost to some good teams.

I bet you there's not a team in this state that will take them for granted,.

[jacket2]

Rockwall. One win of questionable quality (Garland) and two quality (?) losses (SLC, Allen).

[OWLBAIT]

Rockwall. One win of questionable quality (Garland) and two quality (?) losses (SLC, Allen).
Why is the Garland win questionable? Garland beat Allen by 3, Rockwall beat Garland by 3, and Allen beat Rockwall by 1 (i think)?

[jacket2]

Why is the Garland win questionable? Garland beat Allen by 3, Rockwall beat Garland by 3, and Allen beat Rockwall by 1 (i think)?
I also believe that Garland is a BIT overrated. However, Garland does have a quality win. I think that if Rockwall played Garland this week that the outcome would be different from the first week of district play. Rockwall caved under the pressure of pulling out a good win vs. Allen and caved under the pressure of following a good half against SLC. They have only played one full game against a slightly overrated opponent.

[OWLBAIT]

I also believe that Garland is a BIT overrated. However, Garland does have a quality win. I think that if Rockwall played Garland this week that the outcome would be different from the first week of district play. Rockwall caved under the pressure of pulling out a good win vs. Allen and caved under the pressure of following a good half against SLC. They have only played one full game against a slightly overrated opponent.
I see. I have to agree with you after your explanation. Garland was nowhere near the #3 team in the state like many people thought. I will say this, watching them last night against Rowlett, they are extremely explosive. They have the playmakers, they just have to consistently make plays. Rockwall is a very solid team. They will make some noise in the playoffs, as I think Garland will.

[jacket2]

I know this isn't exactly fair to compare. But how highly would Rockwall be regarded had they remained in the district with the East Texas and Mesquite schools?:confused:

[ken-in-rockwall]

Rockwall. One win of questionable quality (Garland) and two quality (?) losses (SLC, Allen).

Rockwall over rated.. Don't think so !! They aren't even being considered for any rating (massey rating has them #31). Rockwall should have won against Allen (2nd game) and won against Garland that was considered at that time a HIGHLY rated team.

Rockwall learned against Allen-#13 and SLC-#2 in state and found alot about themselves against South Garland (down 0-15 @half, won 40-15). Rockwall is one of those teams that no-one knows about, but just like Garland can on any given night/game make teams take notice. I think if Rockwal get Allen it will be interesting but looks like they will play Plano East. Won't know until Allen vs PE at the end.

I think if they would have stayed in 12-5a, they would have held their own as they would have known the other teams. Probably behind Longview, but in the mix with JT and Tyler Lee. Remember they had NO experience with the 10-5a teams to go on, so IMHO their doing ok.

[jacket2]

Rockwall over rated.. Don't think so !! They aren't even being considered for any rating (massey rating has them #31). Rockwall should have won against Allen (2nd game) and won against Garland that was considered at that time a HIGHLY rated team.

Rockwall learned against Allen-#13 and SLC-#2 in state and found alot about themselves against South Garland (down 0-15 @half, won 40-15). Rockwall is one of those teams that no-one knows about, but just like Garland can on any given night/game make teams take notice. I think if Rockwal get Allen it will be interesting but looks like they will play Plano East. Won't know until Allen vs PE at the end.

I think if they would have stayed in 12-5a, they would have held their own as they would have known the other teams. Probably behind Longview, but in the mix with JT and Tyler Lee. Remember they had NO experience with the 10-5a teams to go on, so IMHO their doing ok.
The Massey rating is too high.

Wasn't last year at least their second year in 12-5A? I wish they would have stayed instead of begging out complaining about travel distance and then scheduling their first game this year on the road at Midland Lee.

Learning a lot about yourself against a two win team speaks to the point I'm making. Good teams should not be challenged by 2 win teams at this point in the season. I've also posted multiple times about the strength of this district. If Rockwall had been in with the Garland schools last year, they would have struggled against Garland, South, and Rowlett. My point is that Rockwall is a solid, slightly above average team, but they look much better because of the weak nature of their district this year. Someone's gotta win, but that doesn't mean the winner is any more than one and done in the playoffs.

[ktCarl]

Why Cinco scheduled Strake I have no idea.

The only reason I could coome up with is because of last years match-up. It was competitive.

Sorry, it's just not working for me either.

[c-lisle]

Rockwall over rated.. Don't think so !! They aren't even being considered for any rating (massey rating has them #31). Rockwall should have won against Allen (2nd game) and won against Garland that was considered at that time a HIGHLY rated team.

Rockwall learned against Allen-#13 and SLC-#2 in state and found alot about themselves against South Garland (down 0-15 @half, won 40-15). Rockwall is one of those teams that no-one knows about, but just like Garland can on any given night/game make teams take notice. I think if Rockwal get Allen it will be interesting but looks like they will play Plano East. Won't know until Allen vs PE at the end.

I think if they would have stayed in 12-5a, they would have held their own as they would have known the other teams. Probably behind Longview, but in the mix with JT and Tyler Lee. Remember they had NO experience with the 10-5a teams to go on, so IMHO their doing ok.


hey I hope not to see Rockwall in the playoffs......for some reason they give Longview fits........they would probably beat us this year.....

[Phoenixrising05]

In your original comment you did make reference to Carter's posters which isn't really a big deal to me.

"Honestly I think the most over-rated team of all time in texas, EVERY year, is Dallas Carter. They always start out highly ranked...then beat up on tons of inner-city crappy schools and move up in the ranks....then all their posers come out saying how PHYSICAL and scary their runnig game is...then what happens? they get their butts whooped by a non-dallas school in the playoffs. THANKFULLY this year they sucked early-on so we didnt' have to listen to all their hype throughout the regular season! haha"

Also look at the teams Carter lost to. All those teams are pretty good to me if you ask. Carter may be over-rated just as many others when the season starts, but MOST OVER-RATED? I doubt it seriously.

Crap you're right. (Doh i really hate being wrong lol). Sorry my stereotype against the carter poser's i mentioned is from 3-4 years ago when they went into playoffs undefeated and said the Dragons should watch out b/c they were so physical. You and your remaining fans that have hung around even in a season like this (not that this even such a bad season) are def. a much better testament to the team. Thank you for the correction and I apologize for my mistake. Maybe ill have to come watch a Carter game someday..I hear that new DISD stadium is freakin phenomenal and huge. Sorry again bud.

[jacket2]

hey I hope not to see Rockwall in the playoffs......for some reason they give Longview fits........they would probably beat us this year.....
Rockwall has another "learning experience" against a team not likely to make playoffs, needing a last minute comeback to beat North Garland. They are not top 10 in DFW as the DMN has them.

[ken-in-rockwall]

Rockwall has another "learning experience" against a team not likely to make playoffs, needing a last minute comeback to beat North Garland. They are not top 10 in DFW as the DMN has them.

They may not be in the top 10 and NG will probably be in the playoffs also. IF you were at the game, you would have seen VERY poor officiating :mad: . (I don't understand how a player gets a PF when he goes off the field with a concussion :confused: ).

[jacket2]

They may not be in the top 10 and NG will probably be in the playoffs also. IF you were at the game, you would have seen VERY poor officiating :mad: . (I don't understand how a player gets a PF when he goes off the field with a concussion :confused: ).
Rockwall actually moved up to number 9 in the DMN poll after this performance, and, if the season ended today, North would not make the playoffs. They've got to get some consistency from their defense. Poor officiating did not cause Anyiam to be covered one on one.