For those who don't understand the Judson hype,

[lonny23]

I thought I'd do a thread explaining it. I was going to do this early today, but have been too busy until now.

As many know, Judson is the most successful 5A team in the history of 5A. They really don't get the statewide respect that some teams do because they go about their success in unconventional ways. Some of these are:

They don't have very many future D-1A football players. I really think the coaching staff doesn't promote them enough, but I also know they create speed by playing undersized players more often that they have big players with speed.

They've never had an undefeated and untied season and don't always get the hype of being a Top 5 team throughout the year.

They just don't play that well early in the season most years. Other teams start at the top and stay there a whole year, but Judson loses and then has to fight their way back up.

They almost always make the playoffs, but they don't always win district.

Just for location alone, they're not going to be as well known as DFW and Houston teams.

They're not a flashy team. They're not a passing team and they don't have blue-chip RB's most years even when they run the ball very well.

Now I'll tell you what they are:

They find a way. If the defense gives up 40, they score 41. If the offense can only score 7, they hold the other team to 6. If the offense is struggling, they get points off of a punt, kickoff, or on defense.

They never give up. They didn't give up when Bowie went up 31-0 in the playoffs. They came back to win 32-31. They didn't give up when they were 76 yards and 17 seconds away from losing State in 2002. They threw a bomb to Andre Williams and he took it to the house. They didn't give up when they needed a late TD to tie Bowie in 2002 and also needed a blocked FG and extra point to win that playoff game and they didn't give up when Clark took them to OT the next week in the 2002 playoffs.

They have pride. When Judson loses, they come back and play hard the next week. That 62-21 loss to Madison in 2003 was followed by a 24-21 win over 9-0 Roosevelt to salvage a 6-4 season for Judson and keep the winning season streak alive another year. When Madison beat Judson to send them to 4-4 last year, they came back to beat MacArthur 21-0 and set up the chance to beat Reagan 38-13 and secure the required 21 point win to make the playoffs, which ended in a Title Game loss.

They get better throughout the season. If you watch these guys play, you might ask yourself what all the hype is about. Houston never can figure out how Judson beats them but they keep doing it. Judson might look bad for 2 months, but when November rolls around, IT'S ON! The Rockets are almost unbeatable in November every year (Even the non-playoff years). Because of that, Judson is playing in December most years and they do their damage their, too.

Judson doesn't have just one way to win. They can beat you on offense or defense, but in recent years the defense has been the strongest part of the team and something they can stand on.

Bottom line: You might think Judson is easy to beat, but actually doing it in the playoffs is a different story. Sometimes they fall to a better team, but they're going to get the best of you most of the time.

[BAMF cowboy]

November is a brand new season, what's happened before then doesn't mean anything, everyone gets a fresh start. Judson has proved time and time again that the playoffs is where they belong

[CKE]

I think even some of the judson fans have fallen out of the judson hype. There were hardly any fans on the judosn side against madison thursday night.

[svhorns]

I thought I'd do a thread explaining it. I was going to do this early today, but have been too busy until now.

As many know, Judson is the most successful 5A team in the history of 5A. They really don't get the statewide respect that some teams do because they go about their success in unconventional ways. Some of these are:

They don't have very many future D-1A football players. I really think the coaching staff doesn't promote them enough, but I also know they create speed by playing undersized players more often that they have big players with speed.

They've never had an undefeated and untied season and don't always get the hype of being a Top 5 team throughout the year.They just don't play that well early in the season most years. Other teams start at the top and stay there a whole year, but Judson loses and then has to fight their way back up.

They almost always make the playoffs, but they don't always win district.

Just for location alone, they're not going to be as well known as DFW and Houston teams.

They're not a flashy team. They're not a passing team and they don't have blue-chip RB's most years even when they run the ball very well.
Now I'll tell you what they are:

They find a way. If the defense gives up 40, they score 41. If the offense can only score 7, they hold the other team to 6. If the offense is struggling, they get points off of a punt, kickoff, or on defense.
They never give up. They didn't give up when Bowie went up 31-0 in the playoffs. They came back to win 32-31. They didn't give up when they were 76 yards and 17 seconds away from losing State in 2002. They threw a bomb to Andre Williams and he took it to the house. They didn't give up when they needed a late TD to tie Bowie in 2002 and also needed a blocked FG and extra point to win that playoff game and they didn't give up when Clark took them to OT the next week in the 2002 playoffs.

They have pride. When Judson loses, they come back and play hard the next week. That 62-21 loss to Madison in 2003 was followed by a 24-21 win over 9-0 Roosevelt to salvage a 6-4 season for Judson and keep the winning season streak alive another year. When Madison beat Judson to send them to 4-4 last year, they came back to beat MacArthur 21-0 and set up the chance to beat Reagan 38-13 and secure the required 21 point win to make the playoffs, which ended in a Title Game loss.

They get better throughout the season. If you watch these guys play, you might ask yourself what all the hype is about. Houston never can figure out how Judson beats them but they keep doing it. Judson might look bad for 2 months, but when November rolls around, IT'S ON! The Rockets are almost unbeatable in November every year (Even the non-playoff years). Because of that, Judson is playing in December most years and they do their damage their, too.
Judson doesn't have just one way to win. They can beat you on offense or defense, but in recent years the defense has been the strongest part of the team and something they can stand on.

Bottom line: You might think Judson is easy to beat, but actually doing it in the playoffs is a different story. Sometimes they fall to a better team, but they're going to get the best of you most of the time.
Similarities everywhere compared to SV

[singularity]

Similarities everywhere compared to SV
SV is Judson's little brother in football. They emulate Judson in many ways.

[svhorns]

SV is Judson's little brother in football. They emulate Judson in many ways.
the way Lonny described it... it sure seems that way... not a bad team to follow...

[DiamondJ2]

I think even some of the judson fans have fallen out of the judson hype. There were hardly any fans on the judosn side against madison thursday night.

Official ticket sales for Judson was 2900 with Madison having 3100.Neither side was full. This has been the case in high school football over the last 5 years, especially in the cities.

[CKE]

Official ticket sales for Judson was 2900 with Madison having 3100.Neither side was full. This has been the case in high school football over the last 5 years, especially in the cities.

Yeah i didnt expect madisonn to have as many as judson tho. for sure not more than them. why does judson not sell out there tickets anymore because I know for the SV-Judson game yall always bring a crowd.

[RocketTRN]

Yeah i didnt expect madisonn to have as many as judson tho. for sure not more than them. why does judson not sell out there tickets anymore because I know for the SV-Judson game yall always bring a crowd.

We didn't have a chance to win this game. Well, that's their reason. They'll be there for the SV game tho, because now they realize we have a good team.


AND WAHOO, I love watching Misty May and Kerri(sp?) Walsh play beach volleyball :D

[CKE]

We didn't have a chance to win this game. Well, that's their reason. They'll be there for the SV game tho, because now they realize we have a good team.


AND WAHOO, I love watching Misty May and Kerri(sp?) Walsh play beach volleyball :D

lol I saw you on the side line. you were watching the game the whole time and going and congratulating the players when they got of the field every time while the other trainers were doing there jobs I was cracking up.

[dwistheman]

Yeah i didnt expect madisonn to have as many as judson tho. for sure not more than them. why does judson not sell out there tickets anymore because I know for the SV-Judson game yall always bring a crowd.

There are a number of long time Rocket supporters who dont by into the new offensive style of play and have never really supported Rackley. They have turned into what you might call fair weather fans. They thought Judson would lose and did not show.

That being said, I would be very suprised if the SV game is not a sale out.

[CKE]

There are a number of long time Rocket supporters who dont by into the new offensive style of play and have never really supported Rackley. They have turned into what you might call fair weather fans. They thought Judson would lose and did not show.

That being said, I would be very suprised if the SV game is not a sale out.

well its at home it damn well should be. Would be it be like this if it was at SV

[dwistheman]

well its at home it damn well should be. Would be it be like this if it was at SV

I think so. If I remember correctly it was full when we played you guys in 04.

[baylordad]

I for dang sure respect them!! I am sure all ET fans do.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

Similarities everywhere compared to SV

I agree. You can but the same thread with the same info with SLC, Highland Park, PNG, WOS, Sealy when they won 4 in a row, r Odessa Periman, Plano, and Temple in their prime,

What Judson has or had however you look at is the same tangibles that all great programs have. It's not exclusively a Judson thing.

[Rocketman81]

There are a number of long time Rocket supporters who dont by into the new offensive style of play and have never really supported Rackley. They have turned into what you might call fair weather fans. They thought Judson would lose and did not show.

That being said, I would be very suprised if the SV game is not a sale out.


You are right about Rackley and his new offense, however I have had season tickets for the last 20 years and yes some folks do not attend every game do to their busy schedules. So calling them fair weather fans is not right. Remember Wagner has opened and alot of fans switched over to the new school.;)

[winagain]

First, anyone who can't "accept" Rackley is an idiot. He took over after Judson made a first-round exit in '97, got to the finals in '98, missed the playoffs in '99, and made another first-round exit in '00. In his 5 years, Judson has won two district titles, made the play-offs four times, been to the semi-finals three times, been to the finals twice, and won it all in 2002. And now they're looking pretty good again.

Second, for all those idiots who can't "accept" the offense that just whipped Madison right and left -- if Judson hadn't spread it out the last couple of years they'd be in real bad shape. The coaches recognized that they didn't have a Kyle Fox/Chancey Campbell/Morris Brothers/Jerrod Douglass type of running back on the team. For whatever reason, those types just aren't there. So they were smart enough to adjust the offense accordingly and now it looks like it just might be working out alright.

Judson has so many great fans . . . its just a shame there are some real jacka$$es on this board. Just like last year, you jump ship when things are tough but then jump back on the bandwagon when the kids' and coaches' determination turn things around.

Get a life.

[winagain]

That's not to say there aren't good posters on this board as well. There are plenty. But there's some that are just dip$hit$ -- like the ones who came on here after Madison got beat by Judson and anonymously slammed Streety. That man is widely recognized as one of the greatest coaches in the state. He built a dynasty at New Braunfels and now has turned Madison into a perennial power. And yet, one loss and a bunch of idiots come on this board and have the audacity to act like they know what the hell they're talking about.

Idiots.

[zippy]

SV is Judson's little brother in football. They emulate Judson in many ways.

SV has been doing this since 1995 or so. A long time before being in 5A, or in the same district as Judson. I know they have got a few things from Judson, but not near as much as it looks like. They were doing this a long time ago. I heard no talk of Judson at SV when SV was 4A. I think these are just things that good teams have in common.

[DiamondJ2]

Coach Rackley took over as head coach in the 2001 season. His record to date is 62-16 which a lot of coaches would love to have especially considering the opponents the Rockets play. 4 playoff appearances, 3 semifinals, 1 state-runner-up and 1 state championship. The state championship was in 2002 and semifinal appearance was in 2004 with most of the previous coaching staff intact. Coach Rackley has always wanted to pass more, yet the success of passing is no better than from the traditional offense. As for no running backs, well, Mallet & Mendoza would have succeeded in the I formation just as well as in the current style. Judson "tradtionalists" have the "if it ain't broke. . . ." belief, which is understandable.

Until Judson starts working with QB's at the middle school level, I feel that this style will still struggle at times. New HC is needed at Kitty Hawk MS and current HC at WHMS is a running style coach, but his success there is outstanding, and he is making changes to current offense (of course most of his best RB's over the last few years end up at Madison who, well, watches the final three round from the stands).

This is the style that the Rockets are apparently going to run, and we need to get behind the players and coaches to assist in making it successful. I'm a tradtionalist, but still a Rocket.

[DiamondJ2]

SV has been doing this since 1995 or so. A long time before being in 5A, or in the same district as Judson. I know they have got a few things from Judson, but not near as much as it looks like. They were doing this a long time ago. I heard no talk of Judson at SV when SV was 4A. I think these are just things that good teams have in common.

Coach Hill and other coaches from around the state were present at Judson boot camp and the coaches would ask Judson coaches questions. That is a nice compliment to the Rockets staff. The Judson staff didn't just give out information they picked the other coaches minds, too. Judson coaches went to other schools and universities to further educate themselves, too. I'm sure Coach Hill land his staff have borrowed ideas from other programs and adjusted them to their program. If other coaches throughout the state haven't visited with the SV staff, then they are missing out on some great tacticians and coaching styles.

[winagain]

Well, the other night against Madison was pretty much traditional "smash mouth" football. That's what people don't understand -- the spread, as Judson is trying to run it, is more run than pass. But it "spreads" the defense out, which helps the running game. But I agree, people ought to get behind it if they're really fans.

As for the staff, most of the old defensive guys went to Wagner with Gibbens. But Judson has plenty of long-time Rockets as coaches. Coaches Boelter, Webb, Rackley, and Brothers have been there forever. Coaches Soto and Anderson and one of the freshman coaches were Judson players when Coach Rutledge was there. Soto was a great linebacker and Anderson quarterbacked the '95 championship team. Judson also has Molder and Munoz who have both coached there for several years. So there's still plenty of coaches at Judson who know the history of the program.

[zippy]

Coach Hill and other coaches from around the state were present at Judson boot camp and the coaches would ask Judson coaches questions. That is a nice compliment to the Rockets staff. The Judson staff didn't just give out information they picked the other coaches minds, too. Judson coaches went to other schools and universities to further educate themselves, too. I'm sure Coach Hill land his staff have borrowed ideas from other programs and adjusted them to their program. If other coaches throughout the state haven't visited with the SV staff, then they are missing out on some great tacticians and coaching styles.

For sure. Many programs have been to SV, SV has been to visit many programs. Some in order to deal with teams like San Marcos and their running game. Some to deal with Clear Lake and their option, and others in order to deal with SLC and the spread. Every staff does this. I was just saying that I did not really agree with the "little brother" statement that was made. SV has been doing many of the things listed a long time now. But yes, the boot camp that SV runs is much like Judsons. It has helped in many ways.

[SeguinMatadors]

For sure. Many programs have been to SV, SV has been to visit many programs. Some in order to deal with teams like San Marcos and their running game. Some to deal with Clear Lake and their option, and others in order to deal with SLC and the spread. Every staff does this. I was just saying that I did not really agree with the "little brother" statement that was made. SV has been doing many of the things listed a long time now. But yes, the boot camp that SV runs is much like Judsons. It has helped in many ways.

yawn.

[DiamondJ2]

You now, many Judson fans have complemented the Mats, myself included, but if you are bored with the current thread, then don't read it or comment on it. You wish the Mats had a storied history of excellence like Judson. That I understand. Many are in your boat. Yeh, I bit on your yawn, but I find your yawn a yawn.

[zippy]

You now, many Judson fans have complemented the Mats, myself included, but if you are bored with the current thread, then don't read it or comment on it. You wish the Mats had a storied history of excellence like Judson. That I understand. Many are in your boat. Yeh, I bit on your yawn, but I find your yawn a yawn.

He is just messing with me I think. Thats what happens when your gay.:eek: Joking Seg.

[SeguinMatadors]

You now, many Judson fans have complemented the Mats, myself included, but if you are bored with the current thread, then don't read it or comment on it. You wish the Mats had a storied history of excellence like Judson. That I understand. Many are in your boat. Yeh, I bit on your yawn, but I find your yawn a yawn.

Yawn.

[SeguinMatadors]

He is just messing with me I think. Thats what happens when your gay.:eek: Joking Seg.

Haha yes sweetie;) .. I actually did yawn while I was reading so I figured I'd put it. Diamond has his panties on too tight.

[TheRowdyRanger]

I thought I'd do a thread explaining it. I was going to do this early today, but have been too busy until now.

As many know, Judson is the most successful 5A team in the history of 5A. They really don't get the statewide respect that some teams do because they go about their success in unconventional ways. Some of these are:

They don't have very many future D-1A football players. I really think the coaching staff doesn't promote them enough, but I also know they create speed by playing undersized players more often that they have big players with speed.

They've never had an undefeated and untied season and don't always get the hype of being a Top 5 team throughout the year.

They just don't play that well early in the season most years. Other teams start at the top and stay there a whole year, but Judson loses and then has to fight their way back up.

They almost always make the playoffs, but they don't always win district.

Just for location alone, they're not going to be as well known as DFW and Houston teams.

They're not a flashy team. They're not a passing team and they don't have blue-chip RB's most years even when they run the ball very well.

Now I'll tell you what they are:

They find a way. If the defense gives up 40, they score 41. If the offense can only score 7, they hold the other team to 6. If the offense is struggling, they get points off of a punt, kickoff, or on defense.

They never give up. They didn't give up when Bowie went up 31-0 in the playoffs. They came back to win 32-31. They didn't give up when they were 76 yards and 17 seconds away from losing State in 2002. They threw a bomb to Andre Williams and he took it to the house. They didn't give up when they needed a late TD to tie Bowie in 2002 and also needed a blocked FG and extra point to win that playoff game and they didn't give up when Clark took them to OT the next week in the 2002 playoffs.

They have pride. When Judson loses, they come back and play hard the next week. That 62-21 loss to Madison in 2003 was followed by a 24-21 win over 9-0 Roosevelt to salvage a 6-4 season for Judson and keep the winning season streak alive another year. When Madison beat Judson to send them to 4-4 last year, they came back to beat MacArthur 21-0 and set up the chance to beat Reagan 38-13 and secure the required 21 point win to make the playoffs, which ended in a Title Game loss.

They get better throughout the season. If you watch these guys play, you might ask yourself what all the hype is about. Houston never can figure out how Judson beats them but they keep doing it. Judson might look bad for 2 months, but when November rolls around, IT'S ON! The Rockets are almost unbeatable in November every year (Even the non-playoff years). Because of that, Judson is playing in December most years and they do their damage their, too.

Judson doesn't have just one way to win. They can beat you on offense or defense, but in recent years the defense has been the strongest part of the team and something they can stand on.

Bottom line: You might think Judson is easy to beat, but actually doing it in the playoffs is a different story. Sometimes they fall to a better team, but they're going to get the best of you most of the time.


I have to agree with SVhorns on this one. You make some great arguments and I agree with just about everything you said, but the same can be said about so many other great programs. True, I'm glad SV will never have to play Judson more than once a season, though I know both teams would play each other hard to the end. Though it is pretty amazing how almost every year 26-5 usually still has two or more teams left up untill the quarter finals or semi finals. Like last year and the year before that and so on.

[RocketTRN]

lol I saw you on the side line. you were watching the game the whole time and going and congratulating the players when they got of the field every time while the other trainers were doing there jobs I was cracking up.

My job is to help with any injuries or to get anything that may be needed...so I was doing my job.

[lonny23]

That's not to say there aren't good posters on this board as well. There are plenty. But there's some that are just dip$hit$ -- like the ones who came on here after Madison got beat by Judson and anonymously slammed Streety. That man is widely recognized as one of the greatest coaches in the state. He built a dynasty at New Braunfels and now has turned Madison into a perennial power. And yet, one loss and a bunch of idiots come on this board and have the audacity to act like they know what the hell they're talking about.

Idiots.
Streety is a Tier 2 coach. That's a hard position to be in. He's going to win many games, but probably won't win a title and he'll be close to big wins every year just to fall short.

[jrock210]

these dayz ppl start to underestimate judson

[lonny23]

Coach Rackley took over as head coach in the 2001 season. His record to date is 62-16 which a lot of coaches would love to have especially considering the opponents the Rockets play. 4 playoff appearances, 3 semifinals, 1 state-runner-up and 1 state championship. The state championship was in 2002 and semifinal appearance was in 2004 with most of the previous coaching staff intact. Coach Rackley has always wanted to pass more, yet the success of passing is no better than from the traditional offense. As for no running backs, well, Mallet & Mendoza would have succeeded in the I formation just as well as in the current style. Judson "tradtionalists" have the "if it ain't broke. . . ." belief, which is understandable.

Until Judson starts working with QB's at the middle school level, I feel that this style will still struggle at times. New HC is needed at Kitty Hawk MS and current HC at WHMS is a running style coach, but his success there is outstanding, and he is making changes to current offense (of course most of his best RB's over the last few years end up at Madison who, well, watches the final three round from the stands).

This is the style that the Rockets are apparently going to run, and we need to get behind the players and coaches to assist in making it successful. I'm a tradtionalist, but still a Rocket.I'm with you there. I liked the past, but want them to win more than I want a new coach or different style.

[lonny23]

I have to agree with SVhorns on this one. You make some great arguments and I agree with just about everything you said, but the same can be said about so many other great programs. True, I'm glad SV will never have to play Judson more than once a season, though I know both teams would play each other hard to the end. Though it is pretty amazing how almost every year 26-5 usually still has two or more teams left up untill the quarter finals or semi finals. Like last year and the year before that and so on.
No, I don't think Judson has the patent on all of this stuff and I was only trying to make the point that far too many people on this board are always in a hurry to put Judson in a lower tier state-wide and it's just not justified. Judson should be on the short list of schools that people always talk about, but far too many poeple leave them out. Judson isn't a school that wants pub but hasn't done anything yet. I don't like seeing Judson get pushed to the sidelines by schools who haven't done as much.

[lonny23]

these dayz ppl start to underestimate judson
That's a mistake that helps Judson, too.

[jrock210]

lol ya for example sv whens the last time they won a state championship

[lonny23]

lol ya for example sv whens the last time they won a state championship
OK, SV is one example. They're a great team who has been pretty much on par with Judson this decade. Judson and SV should go together. North Shore is the team that gets too much hype. People act like they're a great state power and they're not. They're a great regular season team that doesn't do too well in the playoffs most years.

I could live with North Shore being in the talk about the powers of the state, but not when too many people leave Judson out. That's when I'm going to pull rank and say who the real state power is.

[jrock210]

OK, SV is one example. They're a great team who has been pretty much on par with Judson this decade. Judson and SV should go together. North Shore is the team that gets too much hype. People act like they're a great state power and they're not. They're a great regular season team that doesn't do too well in the playoffs most years.

I could live with North Shore being in the talk about the powers of the state, but not when too many people leave Judson out. That's when I'm going to pull rank and say who the real state power is.

ya good pt my mistake on sv i think they did win a title ut idk when? can some1 help me

[NSStangs#1fan]

OK, SV is one example. They're a great team who has been pretty much on par with Judson this decade. Judson and SV should go together. North Shore is the team that gets too much hype. People act like they're a great state power and they're not. They're a great regular season team that doesn't do too well in the playoffs most years.

I could live with North Shore being in the talk about the powers of the state, but not when too many people leave Judson out. That's when I'm going to pull rank and say who the real state power is.

I sometimes think our team gets too much hype too... but this yr.our D is exactly what they say it is! In the words of Houston Chron. "ferocious"! Hopefully we'll c Judson this season!

I think wat's happened in the past 2 yrs. is we were down in the 4th. and when a team like NS, who's used to being up but 30-40 pts. in the 4th (or @least up), is down... they panic. We could've beaten WF last yr. But the D got nervous and lost it to an awesome team! We should do good this yr. our team is tired of the 1 & done! Hopefully we can prove to the non-believers that we really do deserve all this attention! We have the most experience on our team since 03.(Once again quoted from the Chronicle)

[jrock210]

ns vs judson would be a good game cant wait to see that if it hapens but judson has a dangerous defense also

[lonny23]

I sometimes think our team gets too much hype too... but this yr.our D is exactly what they say it is! In the words of Houston Chron. "ferocious"! Hopefully we'll c Judson this season!

I think wat's happened in the past 2 yrs. is we were down in the 4th. and when a team like NS, who's used to being up but 30-40 pts. in the 4th (or @least up), is down... they panic. We could've beaten WF last yr. But the D got nervous and lost it to an awesome team! We should do good this yr. our team is tired of the 1 & done! Hopefully we can prove to the non-believers that we really do deserve all this attention! We have the most experience on our team since 03.(Once again quoted from the Chronicle)
Maybe we'll see you guys this year.

[jrock210]

or u will see us

[jrp83]

You now, many Judson fans have complemented the Mats, myself included, but if you are bored with the current thread, then don't read it or comment on it. You wish the Mats had a storied history of excellence like Judson. That I understand. Many are in your boat. Yeh, I bit on your yawn, but I find your yawn a yawn.
AMEN Brother! I second that!! Go Rockets!!!

[jrock210]

lol i realized that most threads are about somethin w/ 26-5Aor SLC am i right>?

[maxtor]

I thought I'd do a thread explaining it. I was going to do this early today, but have been too busy until now.

As many know, Judson is the most successful 5A team in the history of 5A. They really don't get the statewide respect that some teams do because they go about their success in unconventional ways. Some of these are:

They don't have very many future D-1A football players. I really think the coaching staff doesn't promote them enough, but I also know they create speed by playing undersized players more often that they have big players with speed.

They've never had an undefeated and untied season and don't always get the hype of being a Top 5 team throughout the year.

They just don't play that well early in the season most years. Other teams start at the top and stay there a whole year, but Judson loses and then has to fight their way back up.

They almost always make the playoffs, but they don't always win district.

Just for location alone, they're not going to be as well known as DFW and Houston teams.

They're not a flashy team. They're not a passing team and they don't have blue-chip RB's most years even when they run the ball very well.

Now I'll tell you what they are:

They find a way. If the defense gives up 40, they score 41. If the offense can only score 7, they hold the other team to 6. If the offense is struggling, they get points off of a punt, kickoff, or on defense.

They never give up. They didn't give up when Bowie went up 31-0 in the playoffs. They came back to win 32-31. They didn't give up when they were 76 yards and 17 seconds away from losing State in 2002. They threw a bomb to Andre Williams and he took it to the house. They didn't give up when they needed a late TD to tie Bowie in 2002 and also needed a blocked FG and extra point to win that playoff game and they didn't give up when Clark took them to OT the next week in the 2002 playoffs.

They have pride. When Judson loses, they come back and play hard the next week. That 62-21 loss to Madison in 2003 was followed by a 24-21 win over 9-0 Roosevelt to salvage a 6-4 season for Judson and keep the winning season streak alive another year. When Madison beat Judson to send them to 4-4 last year, they came back to beat MacArthur 21-0 and set up the chance to beat Reagan 38-13 and secure the required 21 point win to make the playoffs, which ended in a Title Game loss.

They get better throughout the season. If you watch these guys play, you might ask yourself what all the hype is about. Houston never can figure out how Judson beats them but they keep doing it. Judson might look bad for 2 months, but when November rolls around, IT'S ON! The Rockets are almost unbeatable in November every year (Even the non-playoff years). Because of that, Judson is playing in December most years and they do their damage their, too.

Judson doesn't have just one way to win. They can beat you on offense or defense, but in recent years the defense has been the strongest part of the team and something they can stand on.

Bottom line: You might think Judson is easy to beat, but actually doing it in the playoffs is a different story. Sometimes they fall to a better team, but they're going to get the best of you most of the time.

Judson is certainly one of the premier teams. but to lay claim of the best 5A team of all time is a bit misleading. For one, the traditional Texas football powers made their name just prior to to the UIL adding 5A. And SLC built part of their reputation in 3A. So you could say that Judson got hot when they added 5A. they have shown that they can play with anybody.

But I have to throw some water on the fire here. Judson has without a doubt had the easiest road to State than any other team in 5A history. To start, Judson has enjoyed playing only 5 games to win state(except once). Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. Maybe 4 or 5, possibly only 3-4.
Secondly, Judson was the recepient of a free Championship gift in 88' from the Carter forfiet. One could argue that the only reason that Carter won was because they cheated! That isnt correct. The actual truth is that Judson should have played Permian that year and recieved a free ride. They didnt have to play Permian OR Carter(essentially).

but I think the biggest deal is the slate of nobodies that Judson gets to play year in and year out to get to state. sure they can point to some big games and legit powers. Big deal. Thats not the point. The point is that although Judson is a Texas power they wouldnt have won AS MANY Championships if they played a real slate of opponants each playoff season.

83'; SA Clark,Stafford Dulles,Alice,ChuchHill, Yates.

88'; Jefferson,Alice,Clark,CC carroll,Startford, Carter.

92'; Harlandale, Jay, McAllen, Aldine Eisenhower,Trinity.

93'; Harlandale, Holmes, Aldine Eisenhower, Plano.

95'; Bowie, Holmes, Eagle Pass,Aldine Eisenhower,Permian.

02'; Bowie, Clark, Victoria Memorial, Elsik,Midland.

What a pile of football leviatons those were.

In 05' Judsons playoff opponants were ranked #2,4,24,27 and 90. With a combined record of 49-9.

In 05' SLCs opponants were ranked #5,6,9,10,38 and 42. With a combined record of 71-3. BIG difference.

Let Judson play an extra playoff game each year and let them play 2 extra top ten teams each year in the Quarter and semis and see how well they do.

Earlier I said, "Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. "

Let me revise that, throw in another TWO Lufkins,North Shores,Longviews or SLCs in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. You have 3-4 or 2-3.

Of course the cop out line that I will hear is "we just play who they line us up with". True, but then again the context of this post was in response that Judson was the greatest 5A team of all time, not that they werent any good.

[lonny23]

Judson is certainly one of the premier teams. but to lay claim of the best 5A team of all time is a bit misleading. For one, the traditional Texas football powers made their name just prior to to the UIL adding 5A. And SLC built part of their reputation in 3A. So you could say that Judson got hot when they added 5A. they have shown that they can play with anybody.

But I have to throw some water on the fire here. Judson has without a doubt had the easiest road to State than any other team in 5A history. To start, Judson has enjoyed playing only 5 games to win state(except once). Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. Maybe 4 or 5, possibly only 3-4.
Secondly, Judson was the recepient of a free Championship gift in 88' from the Carter forfiet. One could argue that the only reason that Carter won was because they cheated! That isnt correct. The actual truth is that Judson should have played Permian that year and recieved a free ride. They didnt have to play Permian OR Carter(essentially).

but I think the biggest deal is the slate of nobodies that Judson gets to play year in and year out to get to state. sure they can point to some big games and legit powers. Big deal. Thats not the point. The point is that although Judson is a Texas power they wouldnt have won AS MANY Championships if they played a real slate of opponants each playoff season.

83'; SA Clark,Stafford Dulles,Alice,ChuchHill, Yates.

88'; Jefferson,Alice,Clark,CC carroll,Startford, Carter.

92'; Harlandale, Jay, McAllen, Aldine Eisenhower,Trinity.

93'; Harlandale, Holmes, Aldine Eisenhower, Plano.

95'; Bowie, Holmes, Eagle Pass,Aldine Eisenhower,Permian.

02'; Bowie, Clark, Victoria Memorial, Elsik,Midland.

What a pile of football leviatons those were.

In 05' Judsons playoff opponants were ranked #2,4,24,27 and 90. With a combined record of 49-9.

In 05' SLCs opponants were ranked #5,6,9,10,38 and 42. With a combined record of 71-3. BIG difference.

Let Judson play an extra playoff game each year and let them play 2 extra top ten teams each year in the Quarter and semis and see how well they do.

Earlier I said, "Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. "

Let me revise that, throw in another TWO Lufkins,North Shores,Longviews or SLCs in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. You have 3-4 or 2-3.

Of course the cop out line that I will hear is "we just play who they line us up with". True, but then again the context of this post was in response that Judson was the greatest 5A team of all time, not that they werent any good.
Judson stands on their own merit. They've gotten to the title game 10 times. That means they had to beat one of Houston's best teams 10 times and they've taken aim at some of the Metroplex's best. They've beaten the Little SWC 3 times. You can't blame Judson for playing 5 games. The schools in SA got the rule changed because of Judson. Judson will do just fine playing 6 playoff games this year.

Even the KT's say Judson is the best 5A team. We're talking about a team that has won their region 15 of the last 24 years. They would've won plenty of region titles in the other regions, too.

[maxtor]

Judson stands on their own merit. They've gotten to the title game 10 times. That means they had to beat one of Houston's best teams 10 times and they've taken aim at some of the Metroplex's best. They've beaten the Little SWC 3 times. You can't blame Judson for playing 5 games. The schools in SA got the rule changed because of Judson. Judson will do just fine playing 6 playoff games this year.

Even the KT's say Judson is the best 5A team. We're talking about a team that has won their region 15 of the last 24 years. They would've won plenty of region titles in the other regions, too.

Youre arguing that they are a good team and have proven it against top teams. What you say is true. But your citing 10 state appearances is the problem. You use that as part of the equation to quantfy this. Do you truelly believe that Judson will have had that many appearances/titles if they had to play 1-2 more TOP TEN teams each playoff run? Even by your own admission Judson has 10 appearances with 5 titles(certainly you wont lay claim to the Carter forfiet!). Thus Judson only wins half of the time once they get to state meaning they are on par with the northern teams and no more. Next time instead of playing Alice play Allen. Next time instead of playing Laredo Junior high play Lufkin. Next time instaed of playing SA Holmes play SLC. My gosh man, certainly even you would have to admit that Judson wouldnt have gotten to state 10 times. Simply put, Judson runs virtually unapposed on the road to state while the rest of the states powers are knocking each other off. In round two SLC and Trinity will probably meet and one will lose. Meanwhile Judson gets to play 8-3 Alice or 7-4 Laredo McJoke HS.

Again, Judson is truelly a top flite team. The problem is their free ride to state and then their fans laying claim to greatness.

[J-Rock Mom]

Youre arguing that they are a good team and have proven it against top teams. What you say is true. But your citing 10 state appearances is the problem. You use that as part of the equation to quantfy this. Do you truelly believe that Judson will have had that many appearances/titles if they had to play 1-2 more TOP TEN teams each playoff run? Even by your own admission Judson has 10 appearances with 5 titles(certainly you wont lay claim to the Carter forfiet!). Thus Judson only wins half of the time once they get to state meaning they are on par with the northern teams and no more. Next time instead of playing Alice play Allen. Next time instead of playing Laredo Junior high play Lufkin. Next time instaed of playing SA Holmes play SLC. My gosh man, certainly even you would have to admit that Judson wouldnt have gotten to state 10 times. Simply put, Judson runs virtually unapposed on the road to state while the rest of the states powers are knocking each other off. In round two SLC and Trinity will probably meet and one will lose. Meanwhile Judson gets to play 8-3 Alice or 7-4 Laredo McJoke HS.

Again, Judson is truelly a top flite team. The problem is their free ride to state and then their fans laying claim to greatness.

But Judson did play Trinty last year did they not?

[leanderdad]

Youre arguing that they are a good team and have proven it against top teams. What you say is true. But your citing 10 state appearances is the problem. You use that as part of the equation to quantfy this. Do you truelly believe that Judson will have had that many appearances/titles if they had to play 1-2 more TOP TEN teams each playoff run? Even by your own admission Judson has 10 appearances with 5 titles(certainly you wont lay claim to the Carter forfiet!). Thus Judson only wins half of the time once they get to state meaning they are on par with the northern teams and no more. Next time instead of playing Alice play Allen. Next time instead of playing Laredo Junior high play Lufkin. Next time instaed of playing SA Holmes play SLC. My gosh man, certainly even you would have to admit that Judson wouldnt have gotten to state 10 times. Simply put, Judson runs virtually unapposed on the road to state while the rest of the states powers are knocking each other off. In round two SLC and Trinity will probably meet and one will lose. Meanwhile Judson gets to play 8-3 Alice or 7-4 Laredo McJoke HS.

Again, Judson is truelly a top flite team. The problem is their free ride to state and then their fans laying claim to greatness.
No it is not a free ride . 1st of all they have to play in a district where their is some very good competition. They earn their way into the playoffs, then they play the other teams that are there. They do not play in a "middle school" district where they just about hand you a ticket to the playoffs for SLC. While SLC enjoys the "gift" of being able to take their kids out at halftime and make sure they reduce the chance of being injured, Judson has to play their kids all 48 minutes and then sometimes extra to earn the right to be in the playoffs(week after week). Look in the mirror 1st before you start "judging" someone else. This could also be said for all teams in 26-5A.(earning their way into the playoffs)

I would also make a point to say Judson has had to play 12 or 13 games to win the title not 5 because of the very good teams in 26-5A, unlike SLC which does not have a game until the playoffs start, so SLC plays 6 games and Judson,SV have to play 10+ in the last few years.

[yallerjacket]

But Judson did play Trinty last year did they not?

Yes, and they got their hineys spanked.

[J-Rock Mom]

Yes, and they got their hineys spanked.

Yes, but they made it to the state game. And never gave up!

[DiamondJ2]

Yes, and they got their hineys spanked.


And did your team enjoy "watching" the state game!!!

[DiamondJ2]

Youre arguing that they are a good team and have proven it against top teams. What you say is true. But your citing 10 state appearances is the problem. You use that as part of the equation to quantfy this. Do you truelly believe that Judson will have had that many appearances/titles if they had to play 1-2 more TOP TEN teams each playoff run? Even by your own admission Judson has 10 appearances with 5 titles(certainly you wont lay claim to the Carter forfiet!). Thus Judson only wins half of the time once they get to state meaning they are on par with the northern teams and no more. Next time instead of playing Alice play Allen. Next time instead of playing Laredo Junior high play Lufkin. Next time instaed of playing SA Holmes play SLC. My gosh man, certainly even you would have to admit that Judson wouldnt have gotten to state 10 times. Simply put, Judson runs virtually unapposed on the road to state while the rest of the states powers are knocking each other off. In round two SLC and Trinity will probably meet and one will lose. Meanwhile Judson gets to play 8-3 Alice or 7-4 Laredo McJoke HS.

Again, Judson is truelly a top flite team. The problem is their free ride to state and then their fans laying claim to greatness.


Not oly has Judson compteted in a district that is moe difficult than some of the other schools that you mentioned, but they have usually played a tough non district schedule. Most of the teams the Rockets play in non district make the playoffs and eventual state finals: Westlake, Temple, Killeen Ellison, Copperas Cove, Westfield, Bryan, Westwood, Round Rock, Pflugerville, San Angelo Central, Katy, Taft, Waco, etc.

Judson made it to the semifinals & finals and have been successful more times than not. It isn't Judson's fault the UIL put Judson in Region IV and allowed 3-4 teams in the playoffs. Judson has continously beaten teams in the semifinals and finals who have more talent and Division I players. We do appreciate your comments and flattery. BTW, we've played Holmes in playoffs before when they were ranked #1 in the nation and beat them 54-22.

you make some good points in your posts, but it's out of our control. Kind of like UT playing in such a weak conference over the last couple of years, but I'm sure they are going to take the titles they have earned.

[CKE]

Judson is certainly one of the premier teams. but to lay claim of the best 5A team of all time is a bit misleading. For one, the traditional Texas football powers made their name just prior to to the UIL adding 5A. And SLC built part of their reputation in 3A. So you could say that Judson got hot when they added 5A. they have shown that they can play with anybody.

But I have to throw some water on the fire here. Judson has without a doubt had the easiest road to State than any other team in 5A history. To start, Judson has enjoyed playing only 5 games to win state(except once). Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. Maybe 4 or 5, possibly only 3-4.
Secondly, Judson was the recepient of a free Championship gift in 88' from the Carter forfiet. One could argue that the only reason that Carter won was because they cheated! That isnt correct. The actual truth is that Judson should have played Permian that year and recieved a free ride. They didnt have to play Permian OR Carter(essentially).

but I think the biggest deal is the slate of nobodies that Judson gets to play year in and year out to get to state. sure they can point to some big games and legit powers. Big deal. Thats not the point. The point is that although Judson is a Texas power they wouldnt have won AS MANY Championships if they played a real slate of opponants each playoff season.

83'; SA Clark,Stafford Dulles,Alice,ChuchHill, Yates.

88'; Jefferson,Alice,Clark,CC carroll,Startford, Carter.

92'; Harlandale, Jay, McAllen, Aldine Eisenhower,Trinity.

93'; Harlandale, Holmes, Aldine Eisenhower, Plano.

95'; Bowie, Holmes, Eagle Pass,Aldine Eisenhower,Permian.

02'; Bowie, Clark, Victoria Memorial, Elsik,Midland.

What a pile of football leviatons those were.

In 05' Judsons playoff opponants were ranked #2,4,24,27 and 90. With a combined record of 49-9.

In 05' SLCs opponants were ranked #5,6,9,10,38 and 42. With a combined record of 71-3. BIG difference.

Let Judson play an extra playoff game each year and let them play 2 extra top ten teams each year in the Quarter and semis and see how well they do.

Earlier I said, "Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. "

Let me revise that, throw in another TWO Lufkins,North Shores,Longviews or SLCs in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. You have 3-4 or 2-3.

Of course the cop out line that I will hear is "we just play who they line us up with". True, but then again the context of this post was in response that Judson was the greatest 5A team of all time, not that they werent any good.


Did lonny get a new name :confused:

[jrock210]

Not oly has Judson compteted in a district that is moe difficult than some of the other schools that you mentioned, but they have usually played a tough non district schedule. Most of the teams the Rockets play in non district make the playoffs and eventual state finals: Westlake, Temple, Killeen Ellison, Copperas Cove, Westfield, Bryan, Westwood, Round Rock, Pflugerville, San Angelo Central, Katy, Taft, Waco, etc.

Judson made it to the semifinals & finals and have been successful more times than not. It isn't Judson's fault the UIL put Judson in Region IV and allowed 3-4 teams in the playoffs. Judson has continously beaten teams in the semifinals and finals who have more talent and Division I players. We do appreciate your comments and flattery. BTW, we've played Holmes in playoffs before when they were ranked #1 in the nation and beat them 54-22.

you make some good points in your posts, but it's out of our control. Kind of like UT playing in such a weak conference over the last couple of years, but I'm sure they are going to take the titles they have earned.

the only exception on that list is killeen ellison...ive seen them play first hand and i know ellison really is no power house team and every other team up there is but ya i still think that he copperas cove game was a rip off...o and in 88 cc carrol was ranked 8 in state i believe so i think they should be there

[dwistheman]

the only exception on that list is killeen ellison...ive seen them play first hand and i know ellison really is no power house team and every other team up there is but ya i still think that he copperas cove game was a rip off...o and in 88 cc carrol was ranked 8 in state i believe so i think they should be there

When Judson played Ellison in the early 90's they were one of the top teams in the the state.

[jrock210]

o ok i didnt know how long they were open i thought they were open a lil bit longer than killeen shoemaker...i know killeen shoemaker was a 2nd campus for ellisson but the school is kinda nice and the kids there r terrible so i didnt think it was old

[SVite]

Similarities everywhere compared to SV

SV has a passing game, and their kicking game is on a higher level.:)

[jrock210]

SV has a passing game, and their kicking game is on a higher level.:)
judson has 2 qbs that can kill u in both pass and rush plus if u use them together it will be dangerous...as for kicking sv is better by a small margin cuz austin quinney can come through but hes not 100% reliable...plus judson isnt a passing team cuz they r mainly rushing and spread the number of carries out ALOT

[CKE]

judson has 2 qbs that can kill u in both pass and rush plus if u use them together it will be dangerous...as for kicking sv is better by a small margin cuz austin quinney can come through but hes not 100% reliable...plus judson isnt a passing team cuz they r mainly rushing and spread the number of carries out ALOT
those QB's have not shown that this year

[RocketTRN]

Judson is certainly one of the premier teams. but to lay claim of the best 5A team of all time is a bit misleading. For one, the traditional Texas football powers made their name just prior to to the UIL adding 5A. And SLC built part of their reputation in 3A. So you could say that Judson got hot when they added 5A. they have shown that they can play with anybody.

But I have to throw some water on the fire here. Judson has without a doubt had the easiest road to State than any other team in 5A history. To start, Judson has enjoyed playing only 5 games to win state(except once). Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. Maybe 4 or 5, possibly only 3-4.
Secondly, Judson was the recepient of a free Championship gift in 88' from the Carter forfiet. One could argue that the only reason that Carter won was because they cheated! That isnt correct. The actual truth is that Judson should have played Permian that year and recieved a free ride. They didnt have to play Permian OR Carter(essentially).

but I think the biggest deal is the slate of nobodies that Judson gets to play year in and year out to get to state. sure they can point to some big games and legit powers. Big deal. Thats not the point. The point is that although Judson is a Texas power they wouldnt have won AS MANY Championships if they played a real slate of opponants each playoff season.

83'; SA Clark,Stafford Dulles,Alice,ChuchHill, Yates.

88'; Jefferson,Alice,Clark,CC carroll,Startford, Carter.

92'; Harlandale, Jay, McAllen, Aldine Eisenhower,Trinity.

93'; Harlandale, Holmes, Aldine Eisenhower, Plano.

95'; Bowie, Holmes, Eagle Pass,Aldine Eisenhower,Permian.

02'; Bowie, Clark, Victoria Memorial, Elsik,Midland.

What a pile of football leviatons those were.

In 05' Judsons playoff opponants were ranked #2,4,24,27 and 90. With a combined record of 49-9.

In 05' SLCs opponants were ranked #5,6,9,10,38 and 42. With a combined record of 71-3. BIG difference.

Let Judson play an extra playoff game each year and let them play 2 extra top ten teams each year in the Quarter and semis and see how well they do.

Earlier I said, "Throw in a another Lufkin,North Shore,Longview, SLC in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. "

Let me revise that, throw in another TWO Lufkins,North Shores,Longviews or SLCs in each of Judsons Championship runs and they dont have 6 championships. You have 3-4 or 2-3.

Of course the cop out line that I will hear is "we just play who they line us up with". True, but then again the context of this post was in response that Judson was the greatest 5A team of all time, not that they werent any good.

After going through the Gauntlet that is 26-5A, you say we have an easy trip to state?

You have no damn idea how well those past Judson teams would have done against other competition, don't say they would have less titles if they played harder teams, because in the end they should be playing the other toughest team in the bracket, CORRECT? So if they beat the other hardest team in the bracket, does that not make them the champs, regardless of how they got there? Because Judson lost 4 (ended with 5 losses) games last year, does that mean they shouldn't have been Finalists? They got that far, are you gonna take that from them because they struggled at first? Isn't that the reason we have playoffs?

And BTW, sorry Judson was only district champions 8 of the 10 times they went to state...that's 80% of the time. 1 of those times was in 1995, when they won state. The only loss of that SEASON was to SA Roosevelt, also in 26-5A, who was 16-0, putting Judson at 14-1. The other time was last year, and you know we didn't have as easy of a schedule as we could have. Seguin, O'Conner, and Westfield were not easy teams. No comment on the valley...

[jrock210]

quinney supised me when he began running in the roosevelt game and when he was put in for about 3 plays in the madson game and he went for some decent yardage and bouldin has been improvin but i think they will show there true potentiol in a ame in the near future

[RocketTRN]

quinney supised me when he began running in the roosevelt game and when he was put in for about 3 plays in the madson game and he went for some decent yardage and bouldin has been improvin but i think they will show there true potentiol in a ame in the near future

The deal with that is Quinney holds his fakes, which throws the defense off and allows him running room. Bouldin doesn't hold fakes hardly at all, so the D knows, because it is obvious, when he has the ball and they don't give him any room to run.

[jrock210]

ya and imagine if bouldin did hold his fakes!!!he could pick up more yds

[RocketTRN]

yaand imagine if bouldin did hold his fakes!!!he could pick up more yds

I wish there was an easy way to say "Hey Carl, hold your fakes a little longer, Quinney makes you look like garbage"

I've known him since i played football with him in 7th grade, but it ain't easy to tell someone (especially when you are a trainer) that they need to do something different.

[jrock210]

ya i get u i used to play some football in 8th gd (suprisingly)and i noticed that w/ a few of my friends...o and dont ask if i went to woodlake or kh i was in another city and moved after the season

[RocketTRN]

ya i get u i used to play some football in 8th gd (suprisingly)and i noticed that w/ a few of my friends...o and dont ask if i went to woodlake or kh i was in another city and moved after the season

I went to Kirby anyway. It's way the hell down 78 from Judson.

[jrock210]

ya i had 2 go there for a friends basketball game last yr

[RocketTRN]

ya i had 2 go there for a friends basketball game last yr

sorry to hear that

[jrock210]

sorry to hear that
lol 2 me its not as bad as kitty hawks which is trash pretty much and its super hot in there

[DiamondJ2]

When Judson played Ellison in the early 90's they were one of the top teams in the the state.

They were very good in the early 90's. Thank you dwistheman

[lonny23]

Youre arguing that they are a good team and have proven it against top teams. What you say is true. But your citing 10 state appearances is the problem. You use that as part of the equation to quantfy this. Do you truelly believe that Judson will have had that many appearances/titles if they had to play 1-2 more TOP TEN teams each playoff run? Even by your own admission Judson has 10 appearances with 5 titles(certainly you wont lay claim to the Carter forfiet!). Thus Judson only wins half of the time once they get to state meaning they are on par with the northern teams and no more. Next time instead of playing Alice play Allen. Next time instead of playing Laredo Junior high play Lufkin. Next time instaed of playing SA Holmes play SLC. My gosh man, certainly even you would have to admit that Judson wouldnt have gotten to state 10 times. Simply put, Judson runs virtually unapposed on the road to state while the rest of the states powers are knocking each other off. In round two SLC and Trinity will probably meet and one will lose. Meanwhile Judson gets to play 8-3 Alice or 7-4 Laredo McJoke HS.

Again, Judson is truelly a top flite team. The problem is their free ride to state and then their fans laying claim to greatness.
Judson would've easily beaten the Allen's along the way to state all those years. Any of the 10 years Judson got to the title game, they played a team or teams along the way as good as what DFW had to offer. I don't care if you play 1 or 4 of them. If you beat 1 of them, you're probably favored to beat the other 3, too.

[lonny23]

But Judson did play Trinty last year did they not?
They played Trinity, but the bigger point is they beat Westfield who was #2 in the state all year and was the team that everybody was giving the title to. As soon as Judson beat Westfield, everybody acted like they were garbage.

[lonny23]

I wish there was an easy way to say "Hey Carl, hold your fakes a little longer, Quinney makes you look like garbage"

I've known him since i played football with him in 7th grade, but it ain't easy to tell someone (especially when you are a trainer) that they need to do something different.
I don't care if you are the trainer or not. You should tell him. The coaches should tell him.

[jrock210]

I don't care if you are the trainer or not. You should tell him. The coaches should tell him.
i can understand a coach telling him but someone that dosent play fotball (as i know of) telling u how to improve ur game can offend someone

[J-Rock Mom]

I think Bouldin will improve somewhat because he has seen the Quinney has done alot better than he has.

Can you say COMPETITION!

[too playa]

They played Trinity, but the bigger point is they beat Westfield who was #2 in the state all year and was the team that everybody was giving the title to. As soon as Judson beat Westfield, everybody acted like they were garbage.

because thier field general.. who was by far one of the premiere players in the state.. went down in the 1st quarter... that was the end for them... not judson.... mark that one for injury.. and judson just happened to be the recipient....

i mean.. what if in the rose bowl.. vince young went down in the 1st quarter.. and not return? yeah.. you know exactly what would have happened... USC would have been national champs...

beasely was that type of impact player for his team... so yes.. judson beat westfield.. but they didnt beat the westfield everyone else faced... you played a lesser team because they were without thier all world QB... so dont keep trying to chalk that one up as a HUGE tremendous victory.. because it wasnt.... you didnt beat them with all of thier guns.. you beat them minus thier biggest weapon... but its ok.. you can keep telling yourself that it didnt make a difference.... and yadda yadda...you got lucky he got injured. thats all there is to it.. or else they would have beaten you like they had the previous 2 times...so yes.. judson won.. but dont act like you did something great... because when he went down.. it went from something great.. to something you should do.. which is beat a team without thier best player....and where did anyone say they were garbage? they were just a lesser team without thier best player... not garbage... but then again you will twist anything and everything to suit judson...we all know that..:eek:

but it really doesnt matter anymore.. its a new season.. its just funny how you put yourself up so high on a weak win.

[Rerun]

I think Bouldin will improve somewhat because he has seen the Quinney has done alot better than he has.

Can you say COMPETITION!

Move the Bouldin kid to a different position.

Quinney is the better QB and while competition is good there is something about knowing that a position is your that will allow you to be comfortable and have things fall into place even more.

[J-Rock Mom]

Move the Bouldin kid to a different position.

Quinney is the better QB and while competition is good there is something about knowing that a position is your that will allow you to be comfortable and have things fall into place even more.

I agree I like Quinney so much better. He gets alot for his brother.

[bullrock]

Too Playa.....
That's a weak excuse. I've heard it before and it doesn't hold water. I thought we beat a TEAM called Spring Westfield??? Or was it Spring Beasley??:eek: By your assessment, it's the latter. Injuries are part of the game. They are called football TEAMS for a reason. When one player goes down somebody takes his place. I sure wouldn't want to be on a battlefield with a team like you. If the Sgt. goes down the rest of us just line up and allow the enemy to shoot us?? C'mon, Beasley was a non-factor from the get-go and it was apparent. Quit taking up for him. The only reason he didn't finish the game is beacuase he wasn't a team player. His future was decided. Why take a chance?? Do you think he is the only QB that has gone down in a semi-final? I seem to remember, in fact, I witnessed Lufkins QB go down the day before our game and they didn't fold up the tent against a good Copperas Cove team. We lost a QB in a semi-final game against. (??) my mind went blank, somebody pick me up here, and we won that game and won a ring the next week!
Talk about weak.............:rolleyes:

[nevaplayedk9]

Too Playa.....
That's a weak excuse. I've heard it before and it doesn't hold water. I thought we beat a TEAM called Spring Westfield??? Or was it Spring Beasley??:eek: By your assessment, it's the latter. Injuries are part of the game. They are called football TEAMS for a reason. When one player goes down somebody takes his place. I sure wouldn't want to be on a battlefield with a team like you. If the Sgt. goes down the rest of us just line up and allow the enemy to shoot us?? C'mon, Beasley was a non-factor from the get-go and it was apparent. Quit taking up for him. The only reason he didn't finish the game is beacuase he wasn't a team player. His future was decided. Why take a chance?? Do you think he is the only QB that has gone down in a semi-final? I seem to remember, in fact, I witnessed Lufkins QB go down the day before our game and they didn't fold up the tent against a good Copperas Cove team. We lost a QB in a semi-final game against. (??) my mind went blank, somebody pick me up here, and we won that game and won a ring the next week!
Talk about weak.............:rolleyes:

tru dat!!!!!

[rebel27]

because thier field general.. who was by far one of the premiere players in the state.. went down in the 1st quarter... that was the end for them... not judson.... mark that one for injury.. and judson just happened to be the recipient....

i mean.. what if in the rose bowl.. vince young went down in the 1st quarter.. and not return? yeah.. you know exactly what would have happened... USC would have been national champs...

beasely was that type of impact player for his team... so yes.. judson beat westfield.. but they didnt beat the westfield everyone else faced... you played a lesser team because they were without thier all world QB... so dont keep trying to chalk that one up as a HUGE tremendous victory.. because it wasnt.... you didnt beat them with all of thier guns.. you beat them minus thier biggest weapon... but its ok.. you can keep telling yourself that it didnt make a difference.... and yadda yadda...you got lucky he got injured. thats all there is to it.. or else they would have beaten you like they had the previous 2 times...so yes.. judson won.. but dont act like you did something great... because when he went down.. it went from something great.. to something you should do.. which is beat a team without thier best player....and where did anyone say they were garbage? they were just a lesser team without thier best player... not garbage... but then again you will twist anything and everything to suit judson...we all know that..:eek:

but it really doesnt matter anymore.. its a new season.. its just funny how you put yourself up so high on a weak win.

Slow your role, potna. Every team that faced Westfield that year tried to knock out the QB and everyone else but they couldn't do it. Judson did. That's ALL Judson. This is football and anything can happen. If you knock a starter out of the game with hard tackling, you have done your job because now that team has to replace that player with a lesser one. You talk as if he went down on his own.

[bullrock]

You're right he didn't go down on his own. But while he was in there, he certainly didn't impress me. He looked timid. As I stated, and the stats will bare this out, he didn't do a lot when he was in. The back-up moved the team better than he did.

[NSStangs#1fan]

Slow your role, potna. Every team that faced Westfield that year tried to knock out the QB and everyone else but they couldn't do it. Judson did. That's ALL Judson. This is football and anything can happen. If you knock a starter out of the game with hard tackling, you have done your job because now that team has to replace that player with a lesser one. You talk as if he went down on his own.

Well I hope that's not Judson's aim to bring down players. I know NS wants to stop them but we're not trying to hurt someone.

The difference between that WF and some other teams is like UT, they had one key playmaker who just happened to be their QB and he went down. When u lose that key player especially, ESPECIALLY if it's a QB, you'll be left with a little above average team. I can imagine if NS had lost Reid in 03 the score of the Woodlands game would've been a lot closer. I'm not saying they would've lost b/c the D was taking care of business but it would'nt have been 21-3 or 7 (the score's slipped my mind.)
Regardless of what the Judson fans think. If Beasley had been playing in that game the out come would've been different. I'm not saying they would've won but it would've been different.

Just another question how long was Beasley in befor he got knocked out?

[JRocketMan]

But first off Beasley got injured at the beginning of the 2nd quarter and that exact play is when Westfield finally managed to get a first down. They went a whole quarter with a superior QB not being able to get a first down for his team, kind of questionable to me. All in all Judson took it to Westfield who thought they had the championship won since preseason.

[KatyMachine]

I'd say Permian is the most successful team in 5A History. Judsons good,but I think Permian really put Texas on the map wth the book which has been out for years and is an very good read. And now the Movie.

While they have scoreboard. they pulled that 2002 over Midland out of there A**es.

I've always thought Westlake and Judson have been the recipients of beating up on SA and Corpus/Valley schools.

Anyone ever wonder why 4A Callalen blows throught the playoffs and was CONSISTENTLY beat by Houston area LaMarque ?

[LoneRocket]

But first off Beasley got injured at the beginning of the 2nd quarter and that exact play is when Westfield finally managed to get a first down. They went a whole quarter with a superior QB not being able to get a first down for his team, kind of questionable to me. All in all Judson took it to Westfield who thought they had the championship won since preseason.
WF also had the bogus calls from the officials, I guess because Carl was hurt in the state game is the reason why ET won, NOT.

[LoneRocket]

Well I hope that's not Judson's aim to bring down players. I know NS wants to stop them but we're not trying to hurt someone.

The difference between that WF and some other teams is like UT, they had one key playmaker who just happened to be their QB and he went down. When u lose that key player especially, ESPECIALLY if it's a QB, you'll be left with a little above average team. I can imagine if NS had lost Reid in 03 the score of the Woodlands game would've been a lot closer. I'm not saying they would've lost b/c the D was taking care of business but it would'nt have been 21-3 or 7 (the score's slipped my mind.)
Regardless of what the Judson fans think. If Beasley had been playing in that game the out come would've been different. I'm not saying they would've won but it would've been different.

Just another question how long was Beasley in befor he got knocked out?
So you are saying we beat NS in 1996 because our Kicker leveled your RB Commer on the opening kick off?

[too playa]

Too Playa.....
That's a weak excuse. I've heard it before and it doesn't hold water. I thought we beat a TEAM called Spring Westfield??? Or was it Spring Beasley??:eek: By your assessment, it's the latter. Injuries are part of the game. They are called football TEAMS for a reason. When one player goes down somebody takes his place. I sure wouldn't want to be on a battlefield with a team like you. If the Sgt. goes down the rest of us just line up and allow the enemy to shoot us?? C'mon, Beasley was a non-factor from the get-go and it was apparent. Quit taking up for him. The only reason he didn't finish the game is beacuase he wasn't a team player. His future was decided. Why take a chance?? Do you think he is the only QB that has gone down in a semi-final? I seem to remember, in fact, I witnessed Lufkins QB go down the day before our game and they didn't fold up the tent against a good Copperas Cove team. We lost a QB in a semi-final game against. (??) my mind went blank, somebody pick me up here, and we won that game and won a ring the next week!
Talk about weak.............:rolleyes:


call it what you want.. you know its lame to proclaim such a great victory.. when they obviously werent 100%... but then again... i wouldnt expect you to see it any different..:eek: :eek:

[too playa]

WF also had the bogus calls from the officials, I guess because Carl was hurt in the state game is the reason why ET won, NOT.

officials?? ha ha.. :eek: where are you going with that? lol:eek:

[too playa]

and if you have to make an entire thread explaining your hype.. then its probably not that big of a deal in the first place............. :eek:

[too playa]

Too Playa.....
That's a weak excuse. I've heard it before and it doesn't hold water. I thought we beat a TEAM called Spring Westfield??? Or was it Spring Beasley??:eek: By your assessment, it's the latter. Injuries are part of the game. They are called football TEAMS for a reason. When one player goes down somebody takes his place. I sure wouldn't want to be on a battlefield with a team like you. If the Sgt. goes down the rest of us just line up and allow the enemy to shoot us?? C'mon, Beasley was a non-factor from the get-go and it was apparent. Quit taking up for him. The only reason he didn't finish the game is beacuase he wasn't a team player. His future was decided. Why take a chance?? Do you think he is the only QB that has gone down in a semi-final? I seem to remember, in fact, I witnessed Lufkins QB go down the day before our game and they didn't fold up the tent against a good Copperas Cove team. We lost a QB in a semi-final game against. (??) my mind went blank, somebody pick me up here, and we won that game and won a ring the next week!
Talk about weak.............:rolleyes:






so you are saying if vince went down in the 1st quarter of the rose bowl.. that they would have won anyway? and that something like that doesnt damage a teams hopes of winning a state or national championship? are you saying they were the same team with or without young? are saying they were still the same team with or without beaselly? yeah right. :eek:

this was not about just losing a QB.. if the QB is not the leader of the team.. or the player that can dominate the game... etc etc.. doesnt hurt as much.... so dont even give me this about how you lost a QB... etc etc... you know thats not the same situation.. what was your QB's name? was he a big time performer? was he a HUGE part of judson? uhh obviously not.....yeah you are right about lufkin... they had a big time QB go down.. did they win state?

[too playa]

I could care less that judson won...injuries are part of the game.. but dont act like you played the same team everyone else did... dont act like it was such a big accomplishment... you got a win.. thats fine...but when thier best player went down for most of the game... it became just an ordinary win.. not a great one...like judson fans want it to be..but it was a win... no big deal:eek:

[rebel27]

Well I hope that's not Judson's aim to bring down players. I know NS wants to stop them but we're not trying to hurt someone.

The difference between that WF and some other teams is like UT, they had one key playmaker who just happened to be their QB and he went down. When u lose that key player especially, ESPECIALLY if it's a QB, you'll be left with a little above average team. I can imagine if NS had lost Reid in 03 the score of the Woodlands game would've been a lot closer. I'm not saying they would've lost b/c the D was taking care of business but it would'nt have been 21-3 or 7 (the score's slipped my mind.)
Regardless of what the Judson fans think. If Beasley had been playing in that game the out come would've been different. I'm not saying they would've won but it would've been different.

Just another question how long was Beasley in befor he got knocked out?



Are we talking football here? Because if we are we would then realize that football is a physical sport and in that, people get hurt. No, they are not trying to hurt anyone, they are trying to hit them as hard as they can, thereby negating the effectiveness of the other team. Beasley getting hurt simply means that them Judson boys were going all out.

Beasley went down late 1st or early 2nd quarter.

[JRocketMan]

so you are saying if vince went down in the 1st quarter of the rose bowl.. that they would have won anyway? and that something like that doesnt damage a teams hopes of winning a state or national championship? are you saying they were the same team with or without young? are saying they were still the same team with or without beaselly? yeah right. :eek:

this was not about just losing a QB.. if the QB is not the leader of the team.. or the player that can dominate the game... etc etc.. doesnt hurt as much.... so dont even give me this about how you lost a QB... etc etc... you know thats not the same situation.. what was your QB's name? was he a big time performer? was he a HUGE part of judson? uhh obviously not.....yeah you are right about lufkin... they had a big time QB go down.. did they win state?
And it looks like u solved the problem. WF and some other teams have one player. Judson doesnt have one super star or one big time performer. Thats becuase we play team ball and different people step up every game, which equalls success and dont rely on one person to help us win. So we took it to WF and now its a new season. And if WF won they would have got shredded by Trinity also.

[too playa]

:eek: Are we talking football here? Because if we are we would then realize that football is a physical sport and in that, people get hurt. No, they are not trying to hurt anyone, they are trying to hit them as hard as they can, thereby negating the effectiveness of the other team. Beasley getting hurt simply means that them Judson boys were going all out.

Beasley went down late 1st or early 2nd quarter.

its no big deal.. i figured the judson fans would get all riled up anyway.....:eek:

[JRocketMan]

Are we talking football here? Because if we are we would then realize that football is a physical sport and in that, people get hurt. No, they are not trying to hurt anyone, they are trying to hit them as hard as they can, thereby negating the effectiveness of the other team. Beasley getting hurt simply means that them Judson boys were going all out.

Beasley went down late 1st or early 2nd quarter.

It was early second quarter with no first downs. This is the reason why Judson is successful against other regions. We dont rely on one person to get the job done.

[too playa]

And it looks like u solved the problem. WF and some other teams have one player. Judson doesnt have one super star or one big time performer. Thats becuase we play team ball and different people step up every game, which equalls success and dont rely on one person to help us win. So we took it to WF and now its a new season. And if WF won they would have got shredded by Trinity also.

thats not what the issue was about.. it was about the impact that beasely had on WF's chances.. and the void that was left when he went down.... not about having 50 star players like almighty judson... :eek:

[JRocketMan]

But anyway, last year is over and this is a totally new season and good luck to North Shore maybe we'll meet later on.

[LoneRocket]

thats not what the issue was about.. it was about the impact that beasely had on WF's chances.. and the void that was left when he went down.... not about having 50 star players like almighty judson... :eek:
WF backup QB held his own.

[LoneRocket]

officials?? ha ha.. :eek: where are you going with that? lol:eek:
Look at the film and you will see the questionable calls.

[JRocketMan]

thats not what the issue was about.. it was about the impact that beasely had on WF's chances.. and the void that was left when he went down.... not about having 50 star players like almighty judson... :eek:
Judson doesnt have any stars. Were just a little SA team that gets the easy road to state, against probably the easiest district in the state.

[LoneRocket]

Football is a violent sport, we do not play tag or touch, we were taught to play hard and clean until the final play is over.

[rebel27]

I could care less that judson won...injuries are part of the game.. but dont act like you played the same team everyone else did... dont act like it was such a big accomplishment... you got a win.. thats fine...but when thier best player went down for most of the game... it became just an ordinary win.. not a great one...like judson fans want it to be..but it was a win... no big deal:eek:
Again, who knocked out the so-called best player? Why can't anyone understand that? If any other team had knocked him out maybe they would have had a better chance. It's not about any one player anyways. Last I checked, there are eleven guys on both sides of the ball at all times with their school logos on the helmets, not individual players. At the end of any game, in the win-loss column there are no injury reports or excuses, just winners and losers.

[cyfallsbooster2]

WF backup QB held his own.
Wish I had been able to make that game. The backup is my nephew.

And tooplaya...they weren't just missing Beasley that game. There were 6 other starters who did not get to make the trip. So once Beasley went down, WF was missing a full 1/3 of their offensive and defensive starters. It was just bad timing for WF last year.

[bullrock]

I bet if you check you'll find most semifnalists will be missing some of thier key players. You don't play 14 games and not have injuries.

[too playa]

Again, who knocked out the so-called best player? Why can't anyone understand that? If any other team had knocked him out maybe they would have had a better chance. It's not about any one player anyways. Last I checked, there are eleven guys on both sides of the ball at all times with their school logos on the helmets, not individual players. At the end of any game, in the win-loss column there are no injury reports or excuses, just winners and losers.


its not about trying to knock ppl out of the game and trying to injure them... thats just bad sportsmanship... but if its a clean hit...and a knee got turned the wrong way.. thats just the way it goes..thats just bad luck.... most programs with class want to play against the best.. not try and knock them out of the game with injuries so they have a better chance of winning.... cmon now..:eek:

[rebel27]

Wish I had been able to make that game. The backup is my nephew.

And tooplaya...they weren't just missing Beasley that game. There were 6 other starters who did not get to make the trip. So once Beasley went down, WF was missing a full 1/3 of their offensive and defensive starters. It was just bad timing for WF last year.

Your nephew played well. How is he doing this year?

[bcheat128]

wf beat themselves in that they would have won if the rb hadn't lost the ball
in the open field

[rebel27]

its not about trying to knock ppl out of the game and trying to injure them... thats just bad sportsmanship... but if its a clean hit...and a knee got turned the wrong way.. thats just the way it goes..thats just bad luck.... most programs with class want to play against the best.. not try and knock them out of the game with injuries so they have a better chance of winning.... cmon now..:eek:
R u serious? Do you really think that Ray Lewis is hitting people with the hopes that they keep running at 5-6 yards a carry? What are you talking about?

[farmerfan]

I bet if you check you'll find most semifnalists will be missing some of thier key players. You don't play 14 games and not have injuries.

that is why they say in order to win state you have to have some luck involved. When we won state in 93 and 96 we did not have one starter out the entire playoffs. I know Carroll has been for the most part healthy during their increidible run of late too.
The question for Judson fans would be do yall feel that yall would have been able to win state in 92 or 93 had ya'll lost a impact player like Duglous?

[NSStangs#1fan]

Wish I had been able to make that game. The backup is my nephew.

And tooplaya...they weren't just missing Beasley that game. There were 6 other starters who did not get to make the trip. So once Beasley went down, WF was missing a full 1/3 of their offensive and defensive starters. It was just bad timing for WF last year.


WOW! I didn't know all that! Maaan that was bad timing. Talk about bad luck.

[NSStangs#1fan]

So you are saying we beat NS in 1996 because our Kicker leveled your RB Commer on the opening kick off?

Hell I couldn't even spell football in 1996 so I wouldn't know. But there's a difference between losing an RB and a QB.

[cyfallsbooster2]

Your nephew played well. How is he doing this year?
I can't recall where he went this year....McNeese or McNichols? Something like that. Since hitting my head a few years back I have the CRS syndrome. Anyway, he said there was so much bickering and fighting in the locker room amonst the players and the coach was not doing anything about it that he just decided that was not for him and came home. Too bad.

In high school I feel he could have started at most schools. But when you attend the same one Beasley does.........

[farmerfan]

Hell I couldn't even spell football in 1996 so I wouldn't know. But there's a difference between losing an RB and a QB.

If I am not mistaken, Cormier was the QB of NS in 96 and not the RB. From what I was told is that NS never recovered mentally from that setback.

[jrock210]

what would judson do if they didnt have quinneys brother in the 2002 state game...and officials make bad calls but they seem to dislike certain teams...o and to the guy who said permian is the premier team in texas judson has more wins against permian than permian does against judson and one was for the state tile game...o and i wich the movie frday night lights would give credit to the real state champs in 88 JUDSON...even if we won on disqualification

[NSStangs#1fan]

If I am not mistaken, Cormier was the QB of NS in 96 and not the RB. From what I was told is that NS never recovered mentally from that setback.
Yes we did in 2003 :D I don't know too much about that I was only like 6 or 7 @ the time. The guy I had quoted said he was an RB.

[NSStangs#1fan]

its not about trying to knock ppl out of the game and trying to injure them... thats just bad sportsmanship... but if its a clean hit...and a knee got turned the wrong way.. thats just the way it goes..thats just bad luck.... most programs with class want to play against the best.. not try and knock them out of the game with injuries so they have a better chance of winning.... cmon now..:eek:

Exactly! That's what I was trying to say in a previous post. Then some one told me that football was a contact sport and wanted to make sure that's what I was talking about. It's different when you don't intend to hurt someone, but when u do it intentionally then it becomes bad sportsmanship.

[LoneRocket]

If I am not mistaken, Cormier was the QB of NS in 96 and not the RB. From what I was told is that NS never recovered mentally from that setback.
He was the RB, he said his was "never right" after taking a hit like that from the kicker.

[LoneRocket]

If I am not mistaken, Cormier was the QB of NS in 96 and not the RB. From what I was told is that NS never recovered mentally from that setback.
There was a lot of trash talking from some of the NS players and fans, but after that hit there was silence from that side of the stadium, they woke a sleeping giant.

[LoneRocket]

that is why they say in order to win state you have to have some luck involved. When we won state in 93 and 96 we did not have one starter out the entire playoffs. I know Carroll has been for the most part healthy during their increidible run of late too.
The question for Judson fans would be do yall feel that yall would have been able to win state in 92 or 93 had ya'll lost a impact player like Duglous?
Yes we could have especially in 1992 the RB does not play defense, Judson does not build it team(s) around one player.

[LoneRocket]

Well I hope that's not Judson's aim to bring down players. I know NS wants to stop them but we're not trying to hurt someone.

The difference between that WF and some other teams is like UT, they had one key playmaker who just happened to be their QB and he went down. When u lose that key player especially, ESPECIALLY if it's a QB, you'll be left with a little above average team. I can imagine if NS had lost Reid in 03 the score of the Woodlands game would've been a lot closer. I'm not saying they would've lost b/c the D was taking care of business but it would'nt have been 21-3 or 7 (the score's slipped my mind.)
Regardless of what the Judson fans think. If Beasley had been playing in that game the out come would've been different. I'm not saying they would've won but it would've been different.

Just another question how long was Beasley in befor he got knocked out?
Our 83 team won state with a backup QB and our 90 team made it to the championship game with a backup QB.

[jrock210]

Our 83 team won state with a backup QB and our 90 team made it to the championship game with a backup QB.
dont ujust love the back ups at judson

[too playa]

He was the RB, he said his was "never right" after taking a hit like that from the kicker.

cormier was the QB.. not RB.. get your facts straight before you spout.:eek:

[jrock210]

cormier was the QB.. not RB.. get your facts straight before you spout.:eek:
this is a thread about judson talk about that somewhere else

[farmerfan]

this is a thread about judson talk about that somewhere else


i believe you judson fans are the one that brought cormier into this.

[LoneRocket]

cormier was the QB.. not RB.. get your facts straight before you spout.:eek:
Your QB was running back kickoffs?

[farmerfan]

Yes we could have especially in 1992 the RB does not play defense, Judson does not build it team(s) around one player.

Well what about 93? I seem to remember Jerrod running for something like 236 yards and what was it 3 or 4 TD's against Plano in a 36-13 win. You take him out of your lineup and its a different picture just like with Beasley last year and Cormier in 96.

[too playa]

R u serious? Do you really think that Ray Lewis is hitting people with the hopes that they keep running at 5-6 yards a carry? What are you talking about?

obviously you dont understand...in your example... hes trying to put hits on them and break thier spirits mentally.. so they have something to think about when they are running at him....thats called competition... its called wearing someone down physically with clean legal shots....... theres a difference between playing hard....and trying to injure someone on purpose so they are out of the game....but then again u were probably one of those that likes cheapshots...and if serious enough career ending..... i guess you have not figured that out....why do you think players come together in prayer when someone is injured badly...because its about a game and competition....not trying to physically hurt someone so they cant play the rest of the game... so get a clue about competition, sportsmanship ...and act like you have some sort of class....:eek:

[farmerfan]

Your QB was running back kickoffs?


Cormier was a special talent that any coach would most likely have doing that. If I am not mistaken Cormier was a option QB who was electric. One of the fastest guys in the entire state. I was told that year when he went down that North Shore had a mental lapse in the first half and never recovered from it. Thats the way football goes and the rest is history.

[too playa]

Well what about 93? I seem to remember Jerrod running for something like 236 yards and what was it 3 or 4 TD's against Plano in a 36-13 win. You take him out of your lineup and its a different picture just like with Beasley last year and Cormier in 96.

they will never get it.. they will keep making up stuff to help thier case... its all good though... :eek:

[LoneRocket]

Well what about 93? I seem to remember Jerrod running for something like 236 yards and what was it 3 or 4 TD's against Plano in a 36-13 win. You take him out of your lineup and its a different picture just like with Beasley last year and Cormier in 96.
The coaches would have adjusted their game plan.

[too playa]

Your QB was running back kickoffs?

unfortunately yes... and hes the last NS QB to ever do so..... i guess you live and learn...:eek:

[too playa]

The coaches would have adjusted their game plan.


cmon now... adjusted thier game plan? did they have jerrod #2 that we never saw sitting on the bench in order to account for all that offense????:eek:

[too playa]

but dont get me wrong.... i have much respect for judson.. i mean.. who wouldnt? i just had a problem with statments such as the one lonny was making about beating the great westfield team... as if they played the full strength team that everyone in region III could not stop.. they didnt... but just like the media...they dont ever tell the whole story.. just the headline.... but its cool.. they played WF beaselyless... but hey... thats how it goes....no problem with that... just dont make it out to be a bigger feat than it was...:eek:

[LoneRocket]

unfortunately yes... and hes the last NS QB to ever do so..... i guess you live and learn...:eek:
I was thinking he was a RB because he was recruited as an ATH.

[LoneRocket]

cmon now... adjusted thier game plan? did they have jerrod #2 that we never saw sitting on the bench in order to account for all that offense????:eek:
I am saying you can not just layup and die because a player is not there anymore you have to adjust, you have to practice for events like that.

[LoneRocket]

but dont get me wrong.... i have much respect for judson.. i mean.. who wouldnt? i just had a problem with statments such as the one lonny was making about beating the great westfield team... as if they played the full strength team that everyone in region III could not stop.. they didnt... but just like the media...they dont ever tell the whole story.. just the headline.... but its cool.. they played WF beaselyless... but hey... thats how it goes....no problem with that... just dont make it out to be a bigger feat than it was...:eek:
On any given day a team can be beat. When you make it to the final 4 every team is a great team.

[too playa]

I am saying you can not just layup and die because a player is not there anymore you have to adjust.

i agree... u do what u can... and see what happens.. hopefully NS and judson will meet again.... we are still 0-1 against u guys... so hopefully we can dance again...:eek:

[farmerfan]

I am saying you can not just layup and die because a player is not there anymore you have to adjust.


The coaches might have adjusted but what would it have done to the team mentally had Jerrod gone down?
A example of this was back in 1990 with Arlington Lamar. They came into the state finals against Aldine at 14-0, the week before they played Dallas Carter in the state semis who in 13 games had given up a total of 36 yards rushing. Lamar's all everything RB Shawn Walters ran for 140 yards on Carter but on his last carry of the game suffered a bad high ankle sprain. The following week against Aldine he was only able to go for 5 carries, Lamar lost. Walters was a better HS RB than Douglous.
I doubt very seriously had Douglous gone down that Judson would have been able to adjust and put up the numbers they were used to had he gone down. Coaches can adjust all they want but when you lose a player the caliber of a Beasley, Cormier or Walters only so much can be done.

[farmerfan]

i agree... u do what u can... and see what happens.. hopefully NS and judson will meet again.... we are still 0-1 against u guys... so hopefully we can dance again...:eek:


i hope that happens, only if that means we are there for the winner to play the following week :D

[LoneRocket]

The coaches might have adjusted but what would it have done to the team mentally had Jerrod gone down?
A example of this was back in 1990 with Arlington Lamar. They came into the state finals against Aldine at 14-0, the week before they played Dallas Carter in the state semis who in 13 games had given up a total of 36 yards rushing. Lamar's all everything RB Shawn Walters ran for 140 yards on Carter but on his last carry of the game suffered a bad high ankle sprain. The following week against Aldine he was only able to go for 5 carries, Lamar lost. Walters was a better HS RB than Douglous.
I doubt very seriously had Douglous gone down that Judson would have been able to adjust and put up the numbers they were used to had he gone down. Coaches can adjust all they want but when you lose a player the caliber of a Beasley, Cormier or Walters only so much can be done.
We practice those situations year round so if and when that happens we can over come adversity both mentally and physically.

[LoneRocket]

i agree... u do what u can... and see what happens.. hopefully NS and judson will meet again.... we are still 0-1 against u guys... so hopefully we can dance again...:eek:
Hopefully so we want to play the best that h-town has to offer.

[farmerfan]

We practice those situations year round so if and when that happens we can over come adversity both mentally and physically.


if you say so. since it never happend I guess we will never know, its just that over the course of history in this sport it has proven to be more harmful than not when a team losses its stud in the semi finals.
See Lufkin and SW last year and Arlington Lamar in 1990.

[LoneRocket]

if you say so. since it never happend I guess we will never know, its just that over the course of history in this sport it has proven to be more harmful than not when a team losses its stud in the semi finals.
See Lufkin and SW last year and Arlington Lamar in 1990.
We have had players in the past go down and others have stepped up.

[farmerfan]

We have had players in the past go down and others have stepped up.


What big name players that put up numbers like Jerrod though when down? Teams suffere through injuries that I understand, but replacing the skill of a Jerrod would be damn near impossible.

[LoneRocket]

What big name players that put up numbers like Jerrod though when down? Teams suffere through injuries that I understand, but replacing the skill of a Jerrod would be damn near impossible.
Stephens, Dear, Waters, Jones, Doune, Rosas, Dozier, Hall, Westendorff, McPherson, Tomisi, etc.

[DiamondJ2]

Beasley went out midway through the 2nd quarter on a clean tackle from the side. He just rolled his ankle under him as he went down. Prior to that point, he was ineffective because Judson was pressuring and keep