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RedRage00
10-13-2006, 10:29 AM
Can someone call the WAAAAA-MBULANCE! :eek:



Campbell not ready to throw in the towel
October 12, 2006 - Posted at 12:00 a.m.


It's Thursday afternoon and so far the week had gone fairly well for Memorial head coach Jerry Campbell.

There had been no emergency trips to the hospital or players suddenly quitting the team. The phone calls and e-mails had mostly been encouraging.

For the most part, Campbell had been able to concentrate solely on beating this week's opponent, the San Antonio Southwest Dragons, in tonight's District 27-5A game that could ultimately decide the fate of the Vipers' season and their head coach's career.

Campbell has now lost almost twice as many games as he has won at Memorial. He enters tonight's contest against Southwest with a 13-24 record in 3 1/2 seasons and his Vipers are 1-5 overall and desperately clinging on to their playoff lives with a 1-1 record in 27-5A.

Anonymous posters have campaigned for Campbell's ouster on a discussion forum on the Corpus Christi Caller-Times Web site. Some have claimed racism runs amuck in the Memorial football program and attack Campbell's character. Most only question Campbell's coaching abilities and state that is time for a change.

Campbell is well aware of the posts and said he knows the identities of most of the online detractors. He insists he is not hurt by the comments, but he wonders what kind of perception such online forums are giving people outside of Victoria.

"You get people in Corpus reading that thing and other outsiders and they're thinking 'What in the heck is going on in Victoria?,' " Campbell said Thursday. "I get guys calling me and asking me, 'Coach, are you all right? What's going on there?' because they'll read this stuff."

Most of the negative comments are concerning former backup quarterback Michael Nuells, who quit last week. Some posts state that 15 varsity players quit the team, but Campbell said there have only been three players - Nuells and two other players who rarely played - who have left.

"You're talking about a few kids who made decisions for themselves," Campbell said. "Their decisions weren't based on their teammates. I have a quarterback who quits because he's not getting enough playing time. Heck, I have a bunch of kids who never touch the field but they're the biggest rooters for their teammates."

The comments that bother Campbell the most are the ones that question his character.

"I may not be a good football coach in some respects, but I'm not a bad person," Campbell said. "I'm not going to do anything to disgrace Victoria. I will not do something that is detrimental to this town."

SEASON OF TRIALS

Campbell had nine coaching positions eliminated before the school year. During his tenure at Memorial, Campbell has had a difficult time retaining assistant coaches and the turnover continued after last season.

"Some of them go because they can make a lot more money somewhere else," Campbell explained. "Some of them go to become head football coaches. Some of them go because they feel they've been worked too hard here.

"I had a coach leave last year because he thought we couldn't win in Victoria. If you're going to take on the role of a football coach, it comes with major responsibility and commitment."

On Sept. 17, two days after the Vipers' 47-20 loss at El Campo, Campbell suffered a ruptured blood vessel in his head and had to be rushed to the hospital. The bleeding returned during Memorial's 27-22 district-opening win at San Antonio Highlands on Sept. 29.

Campbell spent the following Monday and Tuesday at home with his family and was able to have some soul-searching conversations with his wife, Debbie. But quitting never entered Campbell's mind.

"I have never felt like throwing in the towel," said Campbell, who will have his nose broken Tuesday and then reset to remove polyps and a bone spur from his sinus cavity.

"There are days when I feel like I may not be the guy who can get it done. But then I pull my boots back and I'm back at it again."

Campbell said he hasn't received any threatening phone calls at home. No one has planted a "For Sale" sign in his front yard, either. "I have good neighbors," Campbell said. "They keep an eye out for me."

But after last week's 30-15 loss to Corpus Christi Ray at Memorial Stadium, Campbell felt the need to have his wife, Debbie, and their 9-year-old daughter Shelby escorted to their car by security personnel.

It was a lowlight of his 35-year coaching career.

"You see your wife and daughter escorted to the parking lot by police and you ask yourself, 'What's wrong with that picture?' "

Winning would cure all ills

Campbell knows the only way to silence his critics is to win. He points to last year's last-second loss to Corpus Christi Carroll in a game for the District 28-5A as a point when the Vipers could have gotten over the hump.

But Campbell also sees off-the-field barriers that must be eliminated for the Memorial football program to rank among the elite in South Texas.

"There are a lot of obstacles here," Campbell said.

Campbell was then asked to elaborate.

"Well, in regards to ... certain things coming together," Campbell said. "The administration has been very supportive to me. I know myself and my coaches, we take no shortcuts. We work 24/7 trying to right the ship. When this school wins, there will be 62,000 people in this town beating the doors down to jump on."

Campbell just hopes he is the Vipers' head coach when that happens.

"I know the reality of it is I will be evaluated by the wins and losses. I will evaluate myself first," he said. "But I'm a man on a mission to get through this thing. I want to get into the playoffs. I still feel we can go out and win.

"My daughter goes to school here and has a lot of good friends. We have a lovely home. I'd like to make this my home for good. But I'd like to make this my home as a winning football coach. I'm a Viper and I'm committed to it. I'll know when the commitment runs out."

Humblefied
10-13-2006, 03:06 PM
It doesnt sound to me like he is crying. I think he is just concerned about his job. Who isn't now a days? And when you have people saying bad things about you then that has to make ur job security go down. He is just worried a little bit about his reputation and how others speculate how he is doing.

drgnbkr
10-13-2006, 03:19 PM
I sure don't see it as crying either...nice story, but a little troubling.

Drake
10-13-2006, 03:25 PM
If backup players are quitting and the coach and his family needs an escort out of the stadium after a loss, do you think the problem is more the coach, or the parents that are at home and anonymously on the boards undermining him?

DrEdward
10-13-2006, 04:22 PM
I don't read much crying going on based on that article. But if a coach's family has to be escorted by the police to their car, some "fans" have a significant issue or two in their lives which really should be dealt with.

Boy Named Sue
10-13-2006, 04:34 PM
Ironical, this is.

(Sorry for the Yoda-esque opening ...)

Dang. Ain't much in the way of crying there.
But, Sue says coach is well-excused to cry. He's got his life tied to teenagers' ability to play a game. Yep, he's got to put them in position to play real good and win real big. But his livelihood is attached to 14-18-year-old children -- just getting them to clean their rooms, take regular showers, eat their peas is hard enough. And, he's got a busted head vein. And, he's got organizational concerns on the job site. And, he's got people throwing slanderous, threatening jabs at him in various and sundry public forums. And, he's just having a bad year. Dude, he's just arisen in Sue's eyes for having to deal with this without crying.

He could be the worst coach in all of the world. If he's really trying to do his best, no one deserves the cattle excrement he's getting.

IT'S A GAME!

RedRage00
10-13-2006, 04:43 PM
I don't read much crying going on based on that article. But if a coach's family has to be escorted by the police to their car, some "fans" have a significant issue or two in their lives which really should be dealt with.

No, he is overreacting. Thats why I think the story is funny! No one is threatening him or his family. He's just trying to make people feel sorry for him so he can be given another chance b/c he knows his days in Victoria are numbered.

bullrock
10-13-2006, 04:43 PM
Just my opinion and if somebody closer to the situation would correct me if I am wrong, I think the problem started when the two high schools merged. I witnessed this in 1982 when Judson met Beaumont Westbrook in the semi-finals in Hiuston. Westbrook had 4 or 5 losses before the coach righted the ship and they were a good team. I believe the coach that got snuffed from the other high school (Stroman) thought he had a chance of landing the head mans job. He didn't so he started playing the descrimination card and it never left. If he could get the two communities in Victoria to become a team there is no doubt they could be with the elite crowd. VHS has the more affluent neighborhoods. I don't have to elaborate any more. You can read between the lines. I would like to see him get it together as I think the chances are better than average for them to take that next step.

RedRage00
10-13-2006, 04:44 PM
Ironical, this is.

(Sorry for the Yoda-esque opening ...)

And, he's just having a bad year. GAME!

Try 4 years! :eek: :p

FarmerFootballPlayer
10-13-2006, 04:51 PM
Victoria Memorial's Marching Band was at the same Marching Contest as us last Saturday. They were good.

Back on topic. I know I'd be offended if someone called me a racist, and I wasn't. Although I'm not an insider in Victoria Memorial Football, so I don't know whether that's true or not.

RedRage00
10-13-2006, 05:47 PM
Just my opinion and if somebody closer to the situation would correct me if I am wrong, I think the problem started when the two high schools merged. I witnessed this in 1982 when Judson met Beaumont Westbrook in the semi-finals in Hiuston. Westbrook had 4 or 5 losses before the coach righted the ship and they were a good team. I believe the coach that got snuffed from the other high school (Stroman) thought he had a chance of landing the head mans job. He didn't so he started playing the descrimination card and it never left. If he could get the two communities in Victoria to become a team there is no doubt they could be with the elite crowd. VHS has the more affluent neighborhoods. I don't have to elaborate any more. You can read between the lines. I would like to see him get it together as I think the chances are better than average for them to take that next step.

This is his 4th season and he hasn't gotten it together. Its worse than ever before. There are a lot of things wrong with the program that I can't even begin to get into. I'll have to post it when I have more time LOL


Main points
*He is 13-24 in 3.5 seasons (1-5 this season)
*No discipline. Players quit and return to the team whenever they want.
*High Turnover-Assistant coaches come and go at an alarming rate. Over 30+ in the last year
*favoritism towards certain kids. The QB we have now was given the job just because he is the son of a coach who moved in this year as an assistant. This cause MANY problems that are still ongoing.

When you have kids quitting and coming back whenever they want then you know there are problems with the leadership. There is none with Campbell. He can talk. He's a good public speaker. But he doesn't show anything on the field to back up those speeches. Those kids look so unprepared when they step on the field. They deserve better. It was so bad when they played Alamo Heights a few weeks ago. It was 35-0 at the half.

And for the record once again....his wife and kid DID NOT need an escort to their car. I don't know why he wants to overreact like that. Victoria is not behind the Vipers right now. The stadium was half empty after halftime (Band folks left) so who were they running from?? He's just trying to get people to feel sorry for him and his family. I am the craziest Victoria fan and even I wouldn't do anything to his family. That is just stupid. No one cares enough to waste their time with his family.

And his crying about whats going on in the Corpus Forum is just stupid as well. There are about THREE people running their mouth. He makes it seem like the whole Victoria is on there. Which is why I said he needs to worry about WINNING instead of what 3 people on an internet forum think of him.

LoneRocket
10-13-2006, 10:16 PM
If backup players are quitting and the coach and his family needs an escort out of the stadium after a loss, do you think the problem is more the coach, or the parents that are at home and anonymously on the boards undermining him?
Reading some other boards I got the impression he does not play the best players at all positions, I hope that is not true.

rangerpride
10-14-2006, 10:50 AM
It seems to me that we have plenty of posters on this board that undermine their coaches all the time. Madison fans dog on Jim Streety all the time after losses, and Judson fans were dogging Rackley's decision making earlier in the year.

It comes with the territory. A head coach gets all the fame when he wins and all the blame when he loses. He's in the public spotlight alot, so he should expect people on message boards to talk bad about him when he loses, especially in this day and age.

What I read from this story, is that Coach Campbell is already looking forward to greener pastures outside of Victoria, and is whining that these message boards will allow his hopeful future employers to find out the truth about his coaching ability, and he won't be able to wow his new district by saying all the right things in the interview. Like someone said, he's a great public speaker, so he's probably banking on that landing him a new job, but the negative comments on message boards about him might wreck his plans.

I don't feel sorry for the guy.

PACK
10-14-2006, 11:40 AM
I don't know anything about this school, coach, players, or community, but I do know a little something about people in general and how they react to negative and positive reenforcement. ( Okay, I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express) But, kids will react as they see adults acting. There are piles of studies and journals published on this so it's not like I just pulled this out of the air from personal opinion. If this community is head hunting for their coach, then the kids will follow suit. In fact, it could cause players to be disenchanted and create a lack of will to perform at their highest ability. Turmoil creates more turmoil. This in turn could add to the problem rather than create a solution for resolve. No one, and I mean no one (School Board) will release or terminate a head coach in the middle of the season just because of a losing record. The School Board would be liable for class action suits and they know it. So, during the season is not the time to be holding a hanging party. On the other hand, if the community came out and supported ALL aspects of their team no matter win or lose, then the kids themselves just might be motivated enough to put forth a little more effort. Community support and positive emotions will sometimes win the close games. I've seen it happen TOO many times in school boy games. Of course there could be the possibility this team is just not very good and only devine intervention would make them any better. No coach in the world can change that. Personally as a fan, I'm there to support the kids. I've never gone to a game where I wantd to see how the coach performs. The kids are the ones making the plays on the field and not the coach. Their ability is what is measured when going head to head. Sure their are some coaches who can make a difference here and there, but you still have to perform as a player. Students who quit because they are not getting PT probably did so with the support and influance of a parent.
In short, the fans (parents and other classmates included) can certainly be the biggest problem. The time to evaluate the coaches position is after the season is over. Once the season has started it is the fans responsibilty to support their kids win or lose.
For what it is worth.

RedRage00
10-14-2006, 01:51 PM
Vipers lost last night to SA Southwest 21-18

There were 2 unsportsmanlike conduct penalties where 2 Viper players cussed out the officials.

RedRage00
10-14-2006, 02:08 PM
Reading some other boards I got the impression he does not play the best players at all positions, I hope that is not true.

Yes, that's true

1 QB transferred to Cuero and the other one just dropped the team about 2 weeks ago. The 2 QB's who left the team were there all summer long and even participated in 7 on 7. Then Campbell hires this new coach and his son is given the starting job without even having to try out?!?:confused: Campbell promised this new coach he would give his son the job if he came and worked for him. How in the world is this kid going to win the job without even trying out for it?? This is why the other QB transferred to Cuero. My nephew happens to be one of the QB's that just dropped the team about 2 weeks ago. Well, Campbell likes to tell the paper that he quit because of playing time when in reality he showed up to practice one day and they had cleaned out his locker. He was upset so he turned in his shoulder pads and left. Campbell likes to leave that out of his statements to the newspaper.

On August 10, 2006 there was an article in Dave Campbells online site saying that Campbell had "Luck from Above" or something like that. Talking about this new coach that was just hired and his son being the QB? This was before season even started. He's saying this on Dave Campbell's site and then telling the Victoria Advocate Newspaper and News Cast "The QB position is still wide open!" LOL

This QB has never played QB and if you saw him play you would know. Our JV QB is better qualified for the job. What does that say about the program?

So, its all political.

whoknows888
11-04-2006, 01:35 PM
RedRage, you are a Victoria fan? I don't know if you remember me from last year, but I do recognize your name. I did play football for the Vipers last year and understand what is going on. You just can't put this on Jerry Campbell when this started when the schools first consolidated in '01.

I am not going to get into a righteous argument over this, but seeing this disintegrate over the season has upset me as a former player under Campbell. If you ever stay until the end does any student ever know the school song? what about the fight song? Victoria fans of Memorial's are only bandwagoners who come out and support us with a full stadium and only if we are winning (which in district we did).

I have more things to say but can't because I have to study for a test on monday, but to let you know this is a bunch of crock that you and other "Victoria fans" put blame on Jerry Campbell.