Week 5 Top 25 State Rankings

[ktchamp97]

Once again, lots of movement in the 13-25 range.

Week 5 Top 25 State Rankings (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/06week05ranks.htm)

Moved in:
#18 SA O'Connor (4-1), #23 Cy Falls (2-2), #24 Leander (2-2), #25 Clear Lake (5-0)

Moved out:
#8 Austin Westlake (2-1), #13 Garland (2-2), #17 SA Jay (4-1), #22 Pearland (4-1)

What were we thinking?
Dropping Westlake completely does seem a bit harsh, but they did just lose to a team whose only win came over 4A Austin McCallum. When trying to slot them in the lower tier of the rankings, we felt that none of the teams currently ranked had a loss that was that unexpected/bad. The Chaps hadn't lost to an AISD team since 1990 and the Maroons had a 24-10 advantage into the 4th quarter and held on for the big W.

Garland dropping out is pretty self-explanatory although we did move a couple 2-2 teams back in. The difference is that Leander and Cy Falls losses came against current Top 25 competition and they have both bounced back with quality wins.

Cy Falls seems to have their offense back in gear after sputtering out of the gate. The Golden Eagles were up 49-0 at the half against a good Cy Creek team. The final score was not indicative of how the game went.

Jay dropped out after losing against the only legitimate team they've faced. They held their ranking to this point because they had been taking care of business and we'd expected them to do the same with O'Connor.

Speaking of O'Connor...the Panthers move into the Top 25 with their big win. So far, the only blemish on their record is a 14-0 loss at the hands of #13 SA Madison, who has proven to be a very good team.

Rounding out the Top 25 is Clear Lake after their impressive demolition of Pearland at "The Rig". They've had a couple close calls against less than stellar competition, but we're giving them credit for a great win this week and for holding on to their undefeated status.

Thoughts?

[Squirrel88]

Ok... explain why NS got moved down to #4, when only 1 team has scored 3 points on them all year long.
Did somebody paid someone to move ET up to 4.

[ktchamp97]

Ok... explain why NS got moved down to #4, when only 1 team has scored 3 points on them all year long. Did somebody paid someone to move ET up to 4 I forgot to comment on that in the original post...

It was more of Trinity making the jump, rather than North Shore dropping although that performance against Deer Park certainly didn't help. Trinity has been outstanding against much tougher competition, often without their top players, and we felt that they deserved a bump. Did someone pay for them to move up??? C'mon, you're better than that...

North Shore just came off a game that was 7-3 late in the third quarter against Deer Park...not exactly a performance that would be expected for the third best team in the state. The defense is what makes them a Top 5 team right now...it is the best in the state. The difference between the 'Stangs and the Top 3 is offense. The other teams have proven to have the balance necessary to go the distance...North Shore has not.

[Squirrel88]

Then why not put them above SLC?

The only reason why NS didn't score 50 points on DP is because NS kept shooting themselves in the foot with bad penalties.
And some of the penalties wasn't becuase of NS fault, it becaues of the 5 blind mice down on the field that they picked up at the DollarReff's store.

[Rerun]

SV > SA Madison > SLC > Lufkin

[ktchamp97]

Then why not put them above SLC?
They've been impressive...but not that impressive. Lufkin and SLC are pretty much #1 and #1a.

[Squirrel88]

All I can say is GO LUFKIN!

Of coures I have only seen one of SLC games and it doesn't impress me much to see a team beat up on another teams 3rd string quarterback.

[leanderdad]

Thanks for putting us back in. I promise next year we will not have a "bye" week.:D

[NSStangs#1fan]

Then why not put them above SLC?

The only reason why NS didn't score 50 points on DP is because NS kept shooting themselves in the foot with bad penalties.
And some of the penalties wasn't becuase of NS fault, it becaues of the 5 blind mice down on the field that they picked up at the DollarReff's store.

Haha They were like the Dollar store special! 3 for a buck! The game was called terribly but NS didn't exactly bring their "A" game either. I'm ok w/ them being moved down. I think our offense needs to step it up b4 we can be mad about being moved down 1.

[drgnbkr]

All I can say is GO LUFKIN!

Of coures I have only seen one of SLC games and it doesn't impress me much to see a team beat up on another teams 3rd string quarterback.

Dang, they went to all of that trouble, played that game just for you, and it did'nt work....hate it when that happens...

[Squirrel88]

Dang, they went to all of that trouble, played that game just for you, and it did'nt work....hate it when that happens...

Maybe next time they will try and impress me better.

[Squirrel88]

I think our offense needs to step it up b4 we can be mad about being moved down 1.

I just don't see a team that let 21 points be scored on them be moved up in front of NS. That isn't impressive.

[NSStangs#1fan]

I just don't see a team that let 21 points be scored on them be moved up in front of NS. That isn't impressive.

Rankings mean nothing it PO time when things start counting. As long as we can prove ourselves in November and Dec. it'll be all good! I'm SERIOUISLY hoping 4 a NS, SLC matchup!

[rangerpride]

SV wins against a Top 20 team and drops a spot???

Madison loses to SV and moves up 3 spots??? :eek:

Katy jumps past SV even though against a common opponent (the Woodlands) SV had a higher margin of victory? SV beat the Woodlands 17-3, while Katy beat them by only 3 points the following week.

I can live with dropping a spot, since the win over Madsion was not "convincing" but I can't respect Katy being placed AHEAD of SV when they have a common opponent to compare their play to.

Sounds like homerism to me...

[Rerun]

SV wins against a Top 20 team and drops a spot???

Madison loses to SV and moves up 3 spots??? :eek:

Katy jumps past SV even though against a common opponent (the Woodlands) SV had a higher margin of victory? SV beat the Woodlands 17-3, while Katy beat them by only 3 points the following week.

I can live with dropping a spot, since the win over Madsion was not "convincing" but I can't respect Katy being placed AHEAD of SV when they have a common opponent to compare their play to.

Sounds like homerism to me...

HMMMMMMMM

[drgnbkr]

Maybe next time they will try and impress me better.

I'm sure the Dragon's coaches are working on that very thing.....Gotta keep their priorities straight....:rolleyes:

[cy-fair dad]

15 Cy Fair 4-0 W 38-14 at Strake Jesuit at Jersey Village (10/6) 19 Can someone explain this to me don't guess i understand how they rank the teams!!

[Fleeman93]

Katy jumps past SV even though against a common opponent (the Woodlands) SV had a higher margin of victory? SV beat the Woodlands 17-3, while Katy beat them by only 3 points the following week.

Play that game at The Woodlands and you might not even have won it. Katy is a better team than SV at this point in the season.

[North Shore Mustang]

OH BULL CRAP!!!!

That's all I have to say....

I saw Euless Trinity play...I am confident NS can give them a run for their money. NS just has little flukes they really need to polish up, they make a big difference in their games.

[rangerpride]

Play that game at The Woodlands and you might not even have won it. Katy is a better team than SV at this point in the season.
:rolleyes:

Whatever, because playing at the Woodlands automatically makes them score more than 14points more than playing in the Alamodome, right? With that logice, I guess Katy would have made it a close loss vs. Southlake Carrol if they played the state finals at Katy last year, right? Or SV would have beaten SLC in 04 if they played at Ranger stadium? Home field is SO OVERRATED in football. SV is 1-0 vs. Judson at Judson, but 0-1 at home vs. Judson.

Katy won by 3, SV won by 14. Do the math. Right now, SV is better. Come playoff time, I'm sure we'll put this debate to rest in the semis.

[KT2000]

Right now, we feel like Trinity has a better and more complete team than anyone save for Lufkin and Carroll. That's why we moved them up. North Shore's got a great defense, but aren't as impressive all-around as Trinity has been so far. Also, Trinity has the advantage of playing in one of the toughest districts in the state and that makes a difference. We definitely think North Shore and Katy are the top two teams in Region 3 right now though.

[KT2000]

:rolleyes:

Whatever, because playing at the Woodlands automatically makes them score more than 14points more than playing in the Alamodome, right? With that logice, I guess Katy would have made it a close loss vs. Southlake Carrol if they played the state finals at Katy last year, right? Or SV would have beaten SLC in 04 if they played at Ranger stadium? Home field is SO OVERRATED in football. SV is 1-0 vs. Judson at Judson, but 0-1 at home vs. Judson.

Katy won by 3, SV won by 14. Do the math. Right now, SV is better. Come playoff time, I'm sure we'll put this debate to rest in the semis.

I think Katy and SV are pretty much the same caliber of team right now. I don't think you can bank on a common opponent analysis although that does help. As far as that goes, The Woodlands lost 6 turnovers against Smithson Valley and 2 against Katy. Obviously, SV had something to do with those 6 turnovers but they should have beaten The Woodlands worse than they did because of that. Katy left a good 10-14 points off the board against The Woods as well. The Tigers had a couple of chances to put the game away against The Woods, but didn't capitalize. I was able to watch both SV-Woods and Katy-Woods.

As far as home field goes, if you go and look back at The Woodlands scores from the last few years you'll find they are much more competitive against top teams at home than they are on the road. They played Lufkin down to the wire at home and were blown out at Old Abe. They played North Shore to a one point game, and were blown out at GPISD. It's a well known fact here that The Woodlands is very tough to beat in their house.

Again, Katy and SV are very similar in quality in my opinion and the 5-6 ranking reflects that.

[Fleeman93]

:rolleyes:

Whatever, because playing at the Woodlands automatically makes them score more than 14points more than playing in the Alamodome, right? With that logice, I guess Katy would have made it a close loss vs. Southlake Carrol if they played the state finals at Katy last year, right? Or SV would have beaten SLC in 04 if they played at Ranger stadium? Home field is SO OVERRATED in football. SV is 1-0 vs. Judson at Judson, but 0-1 at home vs. Judson.

Katy won by 3, SV won by 14. Do the math. Right now, SV is better. Come playoff time, I'm sure we'll put this debate to rest in the semis.

Ask North Shore and Lufkin if The Woodlands are tougher to beat at home.

[rangerpride]

Ask North Shore and Lufkin if The Woodlands are tougher to beat at home.

How can you compare that when both teams played home and away with a different group of kids, since the home away scenarios were over 2 seasons?

Norht Shore and Lufkin have completely different teams this year, as does the Woodlands. COuld it be that maybe Lufkin and North Shore are just THAT much better this year with the kids they have???

IMy opinion, if Lufkin and North Shore play the Woodlands at the Woodlands this year, I'm sorry, but it's still a blowout in both games.

[Fleeman93]

I was going to try and give you some examples, but it really wouldn't do any good I'm sure. I will just agree with the 5A guys that Katy is better than SV at this time based on seeing both play and play very good teams.

[zippy]

I was going to try and give you some examples, but it really wouldn't do any good I'm sure. I will just agree with the 5A guys that Katy is better than SV at this time based on seeing both play and play very good teams.


If they said that. They said, "Again, Katy and SV are very similar in quality in my opinion and the 5-6 ranking reflects that."

Where was SV ranked around this time in 2004? They ended as the 2nd best team in the state. It really does not matter, and I dont get why people get so bent out of shape about week 5 rankings???? SV could lose to Wagner and come back and win state. Westlake could come back and make a long playoff run. Its HS football, and things get weird sometimes.

[ktchamp97]

Why are SV fans getting bent out of shape and playing the "homer" card this week? Katy jumped SV last week because they beat the #4 team, which was ranked ahead of SV at the time, by 23 points. Yeah, that reeks of homerism alright...:rolleyes:

[too playa]

Why are SV fans getting bent out of shape and playing the "homer" card this week? Katy jumped SV last week because they beat the #4 team, which was ranked ahead of SV at the time, by 23 points. Yeah, that reeks of homerism alright...:rolleyes:

wow... what an SV post rally killer of a statement that was! yikes.. just glad it wasnt directed toward me and NS.... :eek:

[kakouton]

SV wins against a Top 20 team and drops a spot???

Madison loses to SV and moves up 3 spots??? :eek:

Katy jumps past SV even though against a common opponent (the Woodlands) SV had a higher margin of victory? SV beat the Woodlands 17-3, while Katy beat them by only 3 points the following week.

I can live with dropping a spot, since the win over Madsion was not "convincing" but I can't respect Katy being placed AHEAD of SV when they have a common opponent to compare their play to.

Sounds like homerism to me...

Are you the same guy that keeps posting about how SV doesn't care about rankings?

[too playa]

and btw, I have no problem with NS being moved down... they have a super defense.... but the offense needs to come around... and i think they will... how much they will come around is the only question... but right now.. they stink....:eek:

[cyfallsbooster2]

:rolleyes:
Katy won by 3, SV won by 14. Do the math. Right now, SV is better. Come playoff time, I'm sure we'll put this debate to rest in the semis.
Whatever your thought process, Katy is going to kick your tails come playoffs. They are so much more on a higher level that anyone in 265A it will not even be close.

[Red Raiders]

SV wins against a Top 20 team and drops a spot???

Madison loses to SV and moves up 3 spots??? :eek:

Katy jumps past SV even though against a common opponent (the Woodlands) SV had a higher margin of victory? SV beat the Woodlands 17-3, while Katy beat them by only 3 points the following week.

I can live with dropping a spot, since the win over Madsion was not "convincing" but I can't respect Katy being placed AHEAD of SV when they have a common opponent to compare their play to.

Sounds like homerism to me...

Yes, I was thinking that way too, Smithson Valley beating a great Madison team this season and thought they should be stayed in Top 5 instead of 6.

[Red Raiders]

My Opinions:

Switch place with Richardson Berkner and Cedar Hill

I think Spring Westfield can beat Smithson Valley but there is no proof for that, I really think they can.

Putting Lubbock Mont. over Tyler Lee and they barely beat Permain by 3 pts. whom they lost to Euless Trinity in a big blowout and then Tyler Lee lost to Euless Trinityin a close game with both side having starters out.

I would suggest putting Bryan out because they're not proven it to Top 25 yet.

[bobcatDL07]

lets talk about game winning margins.... cy-fair > alief taylor 36-0 while katy played alief taylor to the wire in a nail biter barely winning in the 4th quarter 31-17 with the score tied up 17-17 at half

[CKE]

Play that game at The Woodlands and you might not even have won it. Katy is a better team than SV at this point in the season.

Please dont give false info that not what this forum is about

[HUM398]

My Opinions:

Switch place with Richardson Berkner and Cedar Hill

I think Spring Westfield can beat Smithson Valley but there is no proof for that, I really think they can.

Putting Lubbock Mont. over Tyler Lee and they barely beat Permain by 3 pts. whom they lost to Euless Trinity in a big blowout and then Tyler Lee lost in a close game.

I would suggest putting Bryan out because they're not proven it to Top 25 yet.

Now That Spring Westfield has had its first couple games, I dont think thier goning to be losing anytime soon.. They are a much better team now than the team that played Cy-falls... The more game time they get the better they get. In my opinion they have the second best defense in the state after NS... allowing only 13pts in 5 games, and beating thier opponents with a combined score of 169-13. This team was suppose to be good but they were suppose to sputter due to the massive lost of talent, but thier bounce back is just as impressive as SLC and Katy...

I say they should be higher then seven... 4 or 5 at least.
and i really dont agree with the ET over NS, but NS did have a bad game... To bad Rankings dont win championships ;) (to bad for Euless)

Hey KT's i was wondering what you though about Humble this year in area?
(and this is by no means a effort to try to rank them with the 25 top teams, Cause as it stands i wouldnt put them up thier with thier poor offensive prefromance)

[CKE]

Are you the same guy that keeps posting about how SV doesn't care about rankings?

no that would be me ranking are overrated hoover and judson are proof of that. I could really care less about the ranking right now but to say katy is better than SV is just funny.

[CKE]

O and by the way bye-bye Pearland

[zippy]

Are you the same guy that keeps posting about how SV doesn't care about rankings?

No thats me. SV does not care, and most of the fans do not either. Usually SV is ranked very low (11th preseason this year on this site). Then they just go out and move themselves up. Stats since joining 5A:

2002 - State Finals
2003 - Area
2004 - State Finals
2005 - Semi Finals
2006 - 5-0 so far.

I would rather have the above happen and win almost 90% of games played (the 10% that were a loss were to TOP teams in 5A almost all they have come back and beat, or have beat before) then to have a high rank during the season. Its much more fun to be ranked low and end high, then start high and end low. I wish they were not even ranked this year to be honest. They like to sneak in there and surprise people.

[CKE]

No thats me. SV does not care, and most of the fans do not either. Usually SV is ranked very low (11th preseason this year on this site). Then they just go out and move themselves up. Stats since joining 5A:

2002 - State Finals
2003 - Area
2004 - State Finals
2005 - Semi Finals
2006 - 5-0 so far.

I would rather have the above happen and win almost 90% of games played (the 10% that were a loss were to TOP teams in 5A almost all they have come back and beat, of have beat before) then to have a high rank during the season. Its much more fun to be ranked low and end high, then start high and end low. I wish they were not even ranked this year to be honest. They like to sneak in there and surprise people.


Agreed

[gritty52]

:D :D Hub 398 it is to bad for Euless!! Yaw haven't seen bad yet wait til we get on a roll!!HAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

[drgnbkr]

:D :D Hub 398 it is to bad for Euless!! Yaw haven't seen bad yet wait til we get on a roll!!HAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

Huh?

[HUM398]

:D :D Hub 398 it is to bad for Euless!! Yaw haven't seen bad yet wait til we get on a roll!!HAKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

?????...

[samman]

when is humble gonna make the state rankings ????

[TWhoss13]

i disagree, i think home field advantage can be very critical. im not saying that the woodlands would have beaten SV if they played at home, i just think that if you play at home, your bound to have more fans rooting for you along with the players feeling a sense of an advantage.

[zippy]

i disagree, i think home field advantage can be very critical. im not saying that the woodlands would have beaten SV if they played at home, i just think that if you play at home, your bound to have more fans rooting for you along with the players feeling a sense of an advantage.

SV usually does better against teams when away or at neutral sites. Also, the Alamodome is not SV's home and that is where they played the Woodlands. When top teams in high school play the fans are fairly even. Not really an issue like in college or NFL. These games could be 2000 miles apart and the fans are not going to be able to make the trip. So when someone like USC plays ND, then yea, the crowd can become a factor. When SV plays someone like Southlake in Dallas, the fanbase is fairly even. To me, its not that big of an issue in high school football. Small factor, but not that much.

[HUM398]

when is humble gonna make the state rankings ????

I wouldnt put them in the state rankings of right now... Some sites have them at 17 but i wouldnt put them in thier... if i would rank them today i would say they are in the Top 30 or 40.

Offense is struggling with an identy... They got great WR but they cant muster a passing game as of right now... I think the Games against Channel View, Atascosita and Kingwood should be the games they try to improve passing after they have put the game away.

[c-lisle]

can someone explain bryan, desoto and LUBBOCK MOTERREY(why so high) being ranked????


monty jumped big time.....they are from the panhandle who in the heck have they played that is so good...they bearly beat PErmian and beating them isnt saying much anymore.....

[zippy]

can someone explain bryan, desoto and LUBBOCK MOTERREY(why so high) being ranked????


monty jumped big time.....they are from the panhandle who in the heck have they played that is so good...they bearly beat PErmian and beating them isnt saying much anymore.....


I was hoping I was not the only one that saw this. That is interesting. They have had close games with not so hot oponents recently. I guess I could see this taking place if they beat Permian by 3 points 20 years ago, but not this year.

[katyfan52]

Whatever your thought process, Katy is going to kick your tails come playoffs. They are so much more on a higher level that anyone in 265A it will not even be close.

With all due respect cyfallsbooster, I have watched Katy beat SV, and I have watched SV beat Katy. They are both good teams, and I think I join most Katy fans in a deep respect for SV and their strong traditions. It would be foolish to do otherwise. They are worthy opponents. In Katy, most are not as much interested in rankings as wins, and I have a feeling that is true of most at SV also. They, like us, prefer to show what they have on the field.

I also watched us beat your team last year, but that did not in any way diminish my respect for your boys. They played an awesome game. I was biting my nails for a while there. Look forward to seeing your guys again. :)

[zippy]

Whatever your thought process, Katy is going to kick your tails come playoffs. They are so much more on a higher level that anyone in 265A it will not even be close.

Not to get off topic but I assume you must be young or just started watching 5A football. SV and Katy have played 2 times. SV beat them 1 time, and Katy beat SV 1 time. Also, the last time these two teams met, SV struggled in the first half. Then they came back after the half and tore it up. Just ran out of time. Katy and SV are 1-1, and if any of these teams that are 1-1 were to play 100 times over it would be 50-50. As for anyone in 26-5 there are a couple who would probably be in the same situation against Katy. Now back to the Rankings. What is the deal with Monty guys? I am really having a hard time understanding this?

[maxtor]

Then why not put them above SLC?

The only reason why NS didn't score 50 points on DP is because NS kept shooting themselves in the foot with bad penalties.
And some of the penalties wasn't becuase of NS fault, it becaues of the 5 blind mice down on the field that they picked up at the DollarReff's store.

SLCs first team has allowed 13 points this year. Theyve allowed 15 yards total rushing. The reason that they didnt score 80 against Keller was because they kept shooting theirselves in the foot. Offense isnt bad either, they average outgaining their opponants by 400 yards a game.

[SGP 06 Alumni]

I was at the ET vs. SGP game and wow....ET deffinately deserves #3! i mean SGP(#15 week4 rankings) gave them a good scare for most of the first half, but then a fumble turned the momentum for good. I thought SGP played them really good only being down 10(17-7) at the half to the #6 team in the state at the time. and SGP ESPECIALLY looked good if u want to throw in how they lost 19 starters, including all 11 on the defensive side of the ball. and that defense last year, top 10 in the state.

ET's defense looked amazing in this game, their starters held SGP to only 7 points, and its not like SGP's offense isnt any good, because they are! It wasnt till ET put some of they second string players in that SGP got 2 more td's late in the 4th quarter. Im not dogging my own team, i love SGP, but i just know that ET is a really good football team.

Im not saying that NS isnt really good, they have the best defense in the state, and anyone would be hard pressed to argue that statement. when NS shows some spark in their offense, then they can be considered a top 3, until then ET deserves to be there after what they did to a good offense in SGP, the #15 team in the state at the time.

[rangerpride]

Whatever your thought process, Katy is going to kick your tails come playoffs. They are so much more on a higher level that anyone in 265A it will not even be close.

Spoken like someone who's never seen SV play. Ask Katy fans if it will "not even be close." We played them down to the wire last year and lost by 3, and have a MUCH better defense this year.

We beat them in 02 in the semis. Katy and SV are mirror images of each other. They both have long standing traditions of excellence in 5A.

Like I said spoken like someone who's never seen SV. Being from Houston, I'm sure you just assume that any Houston area team would annihilate a San Antonio area team. Well, in the last 4 years SV has been to state TWICE and Katy has been to state TWICE. I heven't even brought up the success that Judson has had in Division1. And they play in the SAME district as SV.

So how far in the playoffs has Cy Falls been in the past 4 years? I won't comment on who would destroy your team, because I've never seen your team play. Good luck this season.

[katyfan52]

Spoken like someone who's never seen SV play. Ask Katy fans if it will "not even be close." We played them down to the wire last year and lost by 3, and have a MUCH better defense this year.

We beat them in 02 in the semis. Katy and SV are mirror images of each other. They both have long standing traditions of excellence in 5A.

Like I said spoken like someone who's never seen SV. Being from Houston, I'm sure you just assume that any Houston area team would annihilate a San Antonio area team. Well, in the last 4 years SV has been to state TWICE and Katy has been to state TWICE. I heven't even brought up the success that Judson has had in Division1. And they play in the SAME district as SV.

So how far in the playoffs has Cy Falls been in the past 4 years? I won't comment on who would destroy your team, because I've never seen your team play. Good luck this season.

As I stated in my post above, this Katy fan (and most others I imagine) respects SV no matter what their ranking is. I enjoyed your hospitality in 2002, almost as much as I enjoyed watching the nail biter last year. Look forward to many more opportunities in the future. ;)

[thebiggestfan]

If no one looked i was watching the hoover game on ESPN U and it showed the national ap poll rankings for hs teams and said SV was # 20 and NS was #22

[dragonfootballfan]

Is it possible for Carroll to jump Lufkin into the number one spot without Lufkin losing a game? No answers from the peanut gallery please

[G-Man]

Is it possible for Carroll to jump Lufkin into the number one spot without Lufkin losing a game? No answers from the peanut gallery please

Absolutely.

[too playa]

Is it possible for Carroll to jump Lufkin into the number one spot without Lufkin losing a game? No answers from the peanut gallery please

i dont see why it couldnt be a possibility.... i mean.. NS was at #3... we didnt lose.. but we still got jumped...:eek:

[SGP 06 Alumni]

i dont see why it couldnt be a possibility.... i mean.. NS was at #3... we didnt lose.. but we still got jumped...:eek:

there is no reason to get bent out of shape over rankings. Just let your team go out there every week and show what they can do, because come playoff time, these rankings dont mean a thing. I mean just look at last years playoffs...South Garland beat Longview, and a lot of people had Longview going to the regional finals or the state championship against SLC. So the only way you should be handling this situation is to let your playing do the talking, and let that proove that yall should be #3 instead of getting on here and just whining about it.:eek:

[too playa]

there is no reason to get bent out of shape over rankings. Just let your team go out there every week and show what they can do, because come playoff time, these rankings dont mean a thing. I mean just look at last years playoffs...South Garland beat Longview, and a lot of people had Longview going to the regional finals or the state championship against SLC. So the only way you should be handling this situation is to let your playing do the talking, and let that proove that yall should be #3 instead of getting on here and just whining about it.:eek:

not bent out of shape here..and who is whining????? he asked a question.. and i answered it with an EXAMPLE .. thats all! so..uhhh no.. no one is whinning about anything.. well not me at least.. since you quoted me i take it it was directed toward me... i think NS is top 15 in the state.. where they fall within that 15 is anyones guess....so.. if you knew me.. you would see i dont come on here to whine.... :eek:

[SGP 06 Alumni]

not bent out of shape here..and who is whining????? he asked a question.. and i answered it with an EXAMPLE .. thats all! so..uhhh no.. no one is whinning about anything.. well not me at least.. since you quoted me i take it it was directed toward me... i think NS is top 15 in the state.. where they fall within that 15 is anyones guess....so.. if you knew me.. you would see i dont come on here to whine.... :eek:

sorry about callin u a whiner, but it just sounded like you were upset because they werent #3 anymore... sorry for the misunderstanding.

[too playa]

sorry about callin u a whiner, but it just sounded like you were upset because they werent #3 anymore... sorry for the misunderstanding.


no.. in fact.. #4 may be a lil high....our offense stinks.... so.. until we get our act together.... we could keep dropping ...which is expected...:eek:

[Red Raiders]

lets talk about game winning margins.... cy-fair > alief taylor 36-0 while katy played alief taylor to the wire in a nail biter barely winning in the 4th quarter 31-17 with the score tied up 17-17 at half

You didn't give the proofs yet because Katy did not play Cy Fair yet and margins don't help unless say that all 3 teams played each other but they all could go out a very different margins. Winning Margins don't matter really.

[Red Raiders]

can someone explain bryan, desoto and LUBBOCK MOTERREY(why so high) being ranked????


monty jumped big time.....they are from the panhandle who in the heck have they played that is so good...they bearly beat PErmian and beating them isnt saying much anymore.....

Yes, thats what I saying earlier post, I don't think KT read it yet. Just waiting for him to post about this team and also Bryan.

[Red Raiders]

i dont see why it couldnt be a possibility.... i mean.. NS was at #3... we didnt lose.. but we still got jumped...:eek:

Because it was not expected for North Shore to beat weak Deer Park team 21-3 only. I mean North Shore should have like 35-3, they seem to concern me on offense. They still will go 10-0 I assume but when it comes to playoffs, it will be difficult for them because they haven't played any good teams but The Woodlands. I think they have the best defense in state still but their offense seem to be not that good. I assume this is true right too playa about offense? I would love to see them play Katy during season to show some proof and go back to #3 or #4 maybe.

[too playa]

Because it was not expected for North Shore to beat weak Deer Park team 21-3 only. I mean North Shore should have like 35-3, they seem to concern me on offense. They still will go 10-0 I assume but when it comes to playoffs, it will be difficult for them because they haven't played any good teams but The Woodlands. I think they have the best defense in state still but their offense seem to be not that good.

agreed.:eek:

[Red Raiders]

agreed.:eek:

Why :eek: ? is it because I am from East Texas and know about teams from other cities that far? :)

[elprezidente]

:confused: can someone explain bryan, desoto and LUBBOCK MOTERREY(why so high) being ranked????


monty jumped big time.....they are from the panhandle who in the heck have they played that is so good...they bearly beat PErmian and beating them isnt saying much anymore.....
yea seriously. and the panhandle gets more respect then the valley?? whats that about. :confused:

[BigFoot]

I forgot to comment on that in the original post...

It was more of Trinity making the jump, rather than North Shore dropping although that performance against Deer Park certainly didn't help. Trinity has been outstanding against much tougher competition, often without their top players, and we felt that they deserved a bump. Did someone pay for them to move up??? C'mon, you're better than that...

North Shore just came off a game that was 7-3 late in the third quarter against Deer Park...not exactly a performance that would be expected for the third best team in the state. The defense is what makes them a Top 5 team right now...it is the best in the state. The difference between the 'Stangs and the Top 3 is offense. The other teams have proven to have the balance necessary to go the distance...North Shore has not.

I am amazed that there is so much complaining over the rankings. They mean very little in the scheme of things. Move ET down we don't care where we are ranked now. We just keep on keeping on till the end of the season and playoffs. Whatever happens happens....and we start over again next year. FYI we are still missing two starters Vakalahi and Tualau on the lines. Maybe one day we will be worthy to be ranked but it really is not going to change what happens on the field.

[drgnbkr]

I am amazed that there is so much complaining over the rankings. They mean very little in the scheme of things. Move ET down we don't care where we are ranked now. We just keep on keeping on till the end of the season and playoffs. Whatever happens happens....and we start over again next year. FYI we are still missing two starters Vakalahi and Tualau on the lines. Maybe one day we will be worthy to be ranked but it really is not going to change what happens on the field.

I agree, the rankings are fun to talk about, but not really worth arguing over....I know the admins put a lot of work into them and they are a measuring stick as to the quality of teams around the state..no more..no less..and pretty dang accurate too...at least the ones on this board.

[too playa]

Why :eek: ? is it because I am from East Texas and know about teams from other cities that far? :)


no.. i used to use the :eek: for emphasis on certain posts.. but now.. its just habit...

[BigFoot]

I agree, the rankings are fun to talk about, but not really worth arguing over....I know the admins put a lot of work into them and they are a measuring stick as to the quality of teams around the state..no more..no less..and pretty dang accurate too...at least the ones on this board.
I agree and healthy discussion without criticizing someone who is ranked higher is great. I would not criticize because I have not seen most of the San Antonio, Houston, Valley or Austin teams play this year. So it is strictly subjective as far as I can tell. I am learning more about the teams by playing pick em. Not too good at it due to my lack of knowledge of the south. Anyway I believe the end of the season we will all know who belongs where.

[ktchamp97]

can someone explain bryan, desoto and LUBBOCK MOTERREY(why so high) being ranked????


monty jumped big time.....they are from the panhandle who in the heck have they played that is so good...they bearly beat PErmian and beating them isnt saying much anymore.....
Let's take these in order...

Bryan:
defeated Cy Falls (26-20), Pflugerville (27-14), Leander (14-12)

The Vikings' only loss came at Desoto, who we'll get to, but they are a good team. Upset wins over Cy Falls and Leander, two very good teams, definitely boosted their stock. Beating Pflugerville by 13 was another quality result. They did lose at Desoto which was unexpected, but bounced back and throttled Temple...as a Top 25 team should. When taken into consideration with their 3 quality wins, the Desoto loss was not enough to disprove Bryan as Top 25 material. Few teams play a non-district schedule that strong and even fewer come out 3-1.


Desoto:
Desoto's main claim to fame is the win over Bryan, who's established themselves as a very good team so far. The loss to Garland was not unexpected and the wins over John Tyler and Arlington are better than most realize. It won't take long to find out if they belong or not, because this week they go on the road at Cedar Hill. How they do this week should tell us alot about Desoto.


Lubbock Monterey:
As always, you have to look at what happened around them...Monty jumped 4 spots largely because 4 teams dropped out of the rankings. If you want to argue that they shouldn't be ranked at all, consider the following:

Lubbock Monterey defeated Abilene 42-16 (in Abilene). Abilene lost to...
...Westlake 35-9
...Mesquite 35-20
...Tyler Lee 21-13

Lubbock Monterey defeated Midland Lee 24-10. Lee lost to...
...Rockwall 35-13
...Mesquite 31-7

Lubbock Monterey defeated Permian 31-28. Permian lost to...
...Trinity 40-14

Obviously, nobody is going to compare Monty to ET, but I think you can see that they compare very favorably with Tyler Lee and Mesquite; two teams which nearly everyone agrees should be ranked. Mesquite and Monty share two common opponents, Midland Lee and Abilene; Monty beat them by a combined 40 points and Mesquite beat them by a combined 38 points.

It comes down to the fact that Monty is 5-0 against a respectable non-district schedule and posted results against those teams which were favorable to other more visible programs.

They shouldn't be tested the remainder of the season, so we'll have to wait until the playoffs to see what they're really made of. However, this is a team that could go three rounds deep...maybe more.


c-lisle,
I can only assume that you are pointing these teams out because you feel Longview is better. The thing with Longview is, nobody really knows how good the teams they've played really are...aside from Carter, they're all either from Louisiana, or they're 4A. Last year, Longview had all the credentials in the world and went out in the first round. This year's team is made up of a ton of newcomers who are still proving themselves. They may be really, really good, but we have no evidence to back that up right now. Beating Carter was nice, but y'all weren't nearly as convincing in beating them as Mesquite was. As it is, Longview is one of the teams on the short list, ready to jump into the Top 25 as they prove themselves against 5A Texas competition. It's not really a knock on your boys, we're just waiting to see more from them.

[Red Raiders]

Let's take these in order...

Bryan:
defeated Cy Falls (26-20), Pflugerville (27-14), Leander (14-12)

The Vikings' only loss came at Desoto, who we'll get to, but they are a good team. Upset wins over Cy Falls and Leander, two very good teams, definitely boosted their stock. Beating Pflugerville by 13 was another quality result. They did lose at Desoto which was unexpected, but bounced back and throttled Temple...as a Top 25 team should. When taken into consideration with their 3 quality wins, the Desoto loss was not enough to disprove Bryan as Top 25 material. Few teams play a non-district schedule that strong and even fewer come out 3-1.


Desoto:
Desoto's main claim to fame is the win over Bryan, who's established themselves as a very good team so far. The loss to Garland was not unexpected and the wins over John Tyler and Arlington are better than most realize. It won't take long to find out if they belong or not, because this week they go on the road at Cedar Hill. How they do this week should tell us alot about Desoto.


Lubbock Monterey:
As always, you have to look at what happened around them...Monty jumped 4 spots largely because 4 teams dropped out of the rankings. If you want to argue that they shouldn't be ranked at all, consider the following:

Lubbock Monterey defeated Abilene 42-16 (in Abilene). Abilene lost to...
...Westlake 35-9
...Mesquite 35-20
...Tyler Lee 21-13

Lubbock Monterey defeated Midland Lee 24-10. Lee lost to...
...Rockwall 35-13
...Mesquite 31-7

Lubbock Monterey defeated Permian 31-28. Permian lost to...
...Trinity 40-14

Obviously, nobody is going to compare Monty to ET, but I think you can see that they compare very favorably with Tyler Lee and Mesquite; two teams which nearly everyone agrees should be ranked. Mesquite and Monty share two common opponents, Midland Lee and Abilene; Monty beat them by a combined 40 points and Mesquite beat them by a combined 38 points.

It comes down to the fact that Monty is 5-0 against a respectable non-district schedule and posted results against those teams which were favorable to other more visible programs.

They shouldn't be tested the remainder of the season, so we'll have to wait until the playoffs to see what they're really made of. However, this is a team that could go three rounds deep...maybe more.


c-lisle,
I can only assume that you are pointing these teams out because you feel Longview is better. The thing with Longview is, nobody really knows how good the teams they've played really are...aside from Carter, they're all either from Louisiana, or they're 4A. Last year, Longview had all the credentials in the world and went out in the first round. This year's team is made up of a ton of newcomers who are still proving themselves. They may be really, really good, but we have no evidence to back that up right now. Beating Carter was nice, but y'all weren't nearly as convincing in beating them as Mesquite was. As it is, Longview is one of the teams on the short list, ready to jump into the Top 25 as they prove themselves against 5A Texas competition. It's not really a knock on your boys, we're just waiting to see more from them.

Wow, you made 100 % there for me, I totally agree with you, thanks for responding about ranks! I see what your saying. :)

[AllenEagle06]

What ever happened to Klein Forest being in the top 25? They haven't lost any games yet but for some reason they dropped out awhile back.

[Red Raiders]

What ever happened to Klein Forest being in the top 25? They haven't lost any games yet but for some reason they dropped out awhile back.

Better teams and better schedule than Klien Forest did so others enter the Rank... simple. :D

[big red & cujo]

Because it was not expected for North Shore to beat weak Deer Park team 21-3 only. I mean North Shore should have like 35-3, they seem to concern me on offense. They still will go 10-0 I assume but when it comes to playoffs, it will be difficult for them because they haven't played any good teams but The Woodlands. I think they have the best defense in state still but their offense seem to be not that good. I assume this is true right too playa about offense? I would love to see them play Katy during season to show some proof and go back to #3 or #4 maybe.
sometimes when you beat teams,you dont beat them as badly as others. that still dont make you no weaker everytime. like when lee has had close scores with lake highlands and abeline

[big red & cujo]

can someone explain bryan, desoto and LUBBOCK MOTERREY(why so high) being ranked????


monty jumped big time.....they are from the panhandle who in the heck have they played that is so good...they bearly beat PErmian and beating them isnt saying much anymore.....
desoto is gettin a biiiiiiiiiig test friday against ceder hill whom is undefeated.

[hollywood]

no.. in fact.. #4 may be a lil high....our offense stinks.... so.. until we get our act together.... we could keep dropping ...which is expected...:eek:What happened to the old adage "defense wins championships"?

[too playa]

What happened to the old adage "defense wins championships"?

defense is definitely the foundation of championship teams.. but you must have an offense that can score as well...you cant expect your defense to keep putting goose eggs on the board... or allowing 1 td and the offense not able to put up anything...... i mean.. im afraid for NS to give up 14pts.... they could hold an explosive team under 17pts.. and might not be able to score 18 because the offense stinks.... our defense will have to carry the load until the offense gets on track...:eek:

[hollywood]

defense is definitely the foundation of championship teams.. but you must have an offense that can score as well...you cant expect your defense to keep putting goose eggs on the board... or allowing 1 td and the offense not able to put up anything...... i mean.. im afraid for NS to give up 14pts.... they could hold an explosive team under 17pts.. and might not be able to score 18 because the offense stinks.... our defense will have to carry the load until the offense gets on track...:eek:Well, good luck to you guys. Maybe your defense will start scoring the points.

[too playa]

Well, good luck to you guys. Maybe your defense will start scoring the points.

thanks.. and yes.. the defense just might have to score as well...:eek:

[jacket2]

Just an observation that I don't feel to strongly about: The reason for moving Leander and Cy Falls back into the top 25 seems to fit Rockwall as well. Rockwall has lost 2 games (SLC and Allen in which they had the game in hand but let it slip away) and rebounded with a quality win at Garland. Rockwall top 25?

[Red Raiders]

Just an observation that I don't feel to strongly about: The reason for moving Leander and Cy Falls back into the top 25 seems to fit Rockwall as well. Rockwall has lost 2 games (SLC and Allen in which they had the game in hand but let it slip away) and rebounded with a quality win at Garland. Rockwall top 25?

Yes I agree but they need to show some more proofs and if you yall do that by scoring large margins in your district then thats a possible being in Top 25.

[c-lisle]

Let's take these in order...

Bryan:
defeated Cy Falls (26-20), Pflugerville (27-14), Leander (14-12)

The Vikings' only loss came at Desoto, who we'll get to, but they are a good team. Upset wins over Cy Falls and Leander, two very good teams, definitely boosted their stock. Beating Pflugerville by 13 was another quality result. They did lose at Desoto which was unexpected, but bounced back and throttled Temple...as a Top 25 team should. When taken into consideration with their 3 quality wins, the Desoto loss was not enough to disprove Bryan as Top 25 material. Few teams play a non-district schedule that strong and even fewer come out 3-1.


Desoto:
Desoto's main claim to fame is the win over Bryan, who's established themselves as a very good team so far. The loss to Garland was not unexpected and the wins over John Tyler and Arlington are better than most realize. It won't take long to find out if they belong or not, because this week they go on the road at Cedar Hill. How they do this week should tell us alot about Desoto.


Lubbock Monterey:
As always, you have to look at what happened around them...Monty jumped 4 spots largely because 4 teams dropped out of the rankings. If you want to argue that they shouldn't be ranked at all, consider the following:

Lubbock Monterey defeated Abilene 42-16 (in Abilene). Abilene lost to...
...Westlake 35-9
...Mesquite 35-20
...Tyler Lee 21-13

Lubbock Monterey defeated Midland Lee 24-10. Lee lost to...
...Rockwall 35-13
...Mesquite 31-7

Lubbock Monterey defeated Permian 31-28. Permian lost to...
...Trinity 40-14

Obviously, nobody is going to compare Monty to ET, but I think you can see that they compare very favorably with Tyler Lee and Mesquite; two teams which nearly everyone agrees should be ranked. Mesquite and Monty share two common opponents, Midland Lee and Abilene; Monty beat them by a combined 40 points and Mesquite beat them by a combined 38 points.

It comes down to the fact that Monty is 5-0 against a respectable non-district schedule and posted results against those teams which were favorable to other more visible programs.

They shouldn't be tested the remainder of the season, so we'll have to wait until the playoffs to see what they're really made of. However, this is a team that could go three rounds deep...maybe more.


c-lisle,
I can only assume that you are pointing these teams out because you feel Longview is better. The thing with Longview is, nobody really knows how good the teams they've played really are...aside from Carter, they're all either from Louisiana, or they're 4A. Last year, Longview had all the credentials in the world and went out in the first round. This year's team is made up of a ton of newcomers who are still proving themselves. They may be really, really good, but we have no evidence to back that up right now. Beating Carter was nice, but y'all weren't nearly as convincing in beating them as Mesquite was. As it is, Longview is one of the teams on the short list, ready to jump into the Top 25 as they prove themselves against 5A Texas competition. It's not really a knock on your boys, we're just waiting to see more from them.


thanks for the clarification. You are right I think Longview could beat several teams in your top 11-25. I know two of the last three years have hurt us in this respect getting upset by SG, cant relaly explain it and wont ever be able to......I dont necesaily think we should be ranked right now and i am glad we are not...it is nice to hbe the underdog for once......hopefully we can knock off some your top 25 in the next few weeks.....Lufkin, Lee, Mesquite, as you well know, we play

[G-Man]

thanks for the clarification. You are right I think Longview could beat several teams in your top 15. I know two of the last three years have hurt us in this respect getting upset by SG, cant relaly explain it and wont ever be able to......I dont necesaily think we should be ranked right now and i am glad we are not...it is nice to hbe the underdog for once......hopefully we can knock off some your top 25 in the next few weeks.....Lufkin, Lee, Mesquite, as you well know, we play

Go Lobos!!:)

[jacket2]

Yes I agree but they need to show some more proofs and if you yall do that by scoring large margins in your district then thats a possible being in Top 25.
I don't think that large margins of victory over the remaining unremarkable teams would really show any more than we already know. Win a round 1 game, and then maybe.

[Red Raiders]

I don't think that large margins of victory over the remaining unremarkable teams would really show any more than we already know. Win a round 1 game, and then maybe.

No, against Lee, North Mesquite, JT and Mesquite will show big proofs for one of these games in a large margin, not just playoffs. Our district 12-5A is like 26-5A so like 2 of teams in it should be at least Top 25 like 26-5A with 3 of them.

[DragonFan]

Just a little perusing through the pile of stats available on this web site:
State Ranking Lufkin SLC North Shore Trinity
PPG 10 1 40 11
PAPG 9 28 1 53
Margin of win 7 2 5 14
Streagth of Sch 54 46 163 87


Out of these top teams SLC has the toughest strength of Schedule while maintaining the largest Margin of victory. Using only these numbers it would lead one to believe the rankings should be

1 SLC
2 Lufkin
3 Trinity
4 North Shore

[ScottS]

Just a little perusing through the pile of stats available on this web site:
State Ranking Lufkin SLC North Shore Trinity
PPG 10 1 40 11
PAPG 9 28 1 53
Margin of win 7 2 5 14
Streagth of Sch 54 46 163 87


Out of these top teams SLC has the toughest strength of Schedule while maintaining the largest Margin of victory. Using only these numbers it would lead one to believe the rankings should be

1 SLC
2 Lufkin
3 Trinity
4 North Shore

Are you sure.....SLC doesn't play an East Texas team or a team from 26-5.

[DragonFan]

Even more interesting is that the next 4 teams the numbers look like this:

SV Katy Berkner Spring Wiestfield
PPG 68 111 37 30
PAPG 31 9 66 2
MARGIN 36 44 28 3
SOS 49 193 221 155


SV sos is 49 compaired to SLC's 46 so the hardest district is not really 26-5a

The next tier rankings should be

SV
Spring Westfield
Berkner
Katy


That would make the top 8 ranked in this order

1 SLC
2 Lufkin
3 Trinity
4 SV
5 North Shore
6 Berkner
7 Katy
8 Spring Westfield

[zippy]

Even more interesting is that the next 4 teams the numbers look like this:

SV Katy Berkner Spring Wiestfield
PPG 68 111 37 30
PAPG 31 9 66 2
MARGIN 36 44 28 3
SOS 49 193 221 155


SV sos is 49 compaired to SLC's 46 so the hardest district is not really 26-5a

The next tier rankings should be

SV
Spring Westfield
Berkner
Katy


That would make the top 8 ranked in this order

1 SLC
2 Lufkin
3 Trinity
4 SV
5 North Shore
6 Berkner
7 Katy
8 Spring Westfield


Not that this can even get close to judging a district (there are pre-dist. games), but isnt SL 66 and not 46?

[ktchamp97]

Even more interesting is that the next 4 teams the numbers look like this:

SV Katy Berkner Spring Wiestfield
PPG 68 111 37 30
PAPG 31 9 66 2
MARGIN 36 44 28 3
SOS 49 193 221 155


SV sos is 49 compaired to SLC's 46 so the hardest district is not really 26-5a

The next tier rankings should be

SV
Spring Westfield
Berkner
Katy


That would make the top 8 ranked in this order

1 SLC
2 Lufkin
3 Trinity
4 SV
5 North Shore
6 Berkner
7 Katy
8 Spring Westfield Good stuff DragonFan. It's nice to know that somebody actually looks at all of that stuff!

One thing to keep in mind when looking at those SOS numbers is that it represents the SOS for the entire schedule...not just what they've played so far. SOS, as we have it calculated, will be most relevant at the end of the regular season and heading into the playoffs. Another reason the SOS numbers are a bit skewed at this point is that with so few games (data points), you actually get a boost in SOS by losing...that effect will be smoothed out as more and more games are played, however.

[DragonFan]

Thanks Zippy. I must have written it down wrong. Still does not change the rankings though. I will have to say that with sos for SV being 49 then 26-5 might be better than I had been lead to believe.

[zippy]

Thanks Zippy. I must have written it down wrong. Still does not change the rankings though. I will have to say that with sos for SV being 49 then 26-5 might be better than I had been lead to believe.


Just to better help. Without you having to do the math. 5-5A's average rank on SOS is 35 and 26-5A's is 24. Just to help with facts. DO you/other non-265 agree that SV was a tough opponent in 2004? If so, here are some of the district games.

SV vs.
Judson- lost 30-15
Mac - win 21-14
Roosevelt - 24-13

SLC - lost 27-24

Each and every year it is like this. This year seems to have a few more that can compete. It would be different if this was the case in a district that did not do well in the playoffs. However, 3-4 teams from this district are capable of a very deep playoff run just about every year. They just knock each other out. (Madison/SV is a good example)

[zippy]

Good stuff DragonFan. It's nice to know that somebody actually looks at all of that stuff!

One thing to keep in mind when looking at those SOS numbers is that it represents the SOS for the entire schedule...not just what they've played so far. SOS, as we have it calculated, will be most relevant at the end of the regular season and heading into the playoffs. Another reason the SOS numbers are a bit skewed at this point is that with so few games (data points), you actually get a boost in SOS by losing...that effect will be smoothed out as more and more games are played, however.


I get most of the terms, but what is the OPPOPP W-L?

[CKE]

Whatever your thought process, Katy is going to kick your tails come playoffs. They are so much more on a higher level that anyone in 265A it will not even be close.

just like cy falls was going undefeted ths year and is a top 5 team. You were wrong then and you are proly wrong again this year could go either way just like the last to games they played

[ktchamp97]

I get most of the terms, but what is the OPPOPP W-L? LOL, that one is kinda goofy.

OPPOPP W/L is the winning percentage of your opponents' opponents.

Basically, OPPOPP W/L is the component of the SOS formula that looks at the combined record of who your opponents have played to compile their record. So, teams that are 9-1 against crappy competition don't falsely boost your SOS too much, whereas a 9-1 team that plays really good competition will give your SOS an added boost. OPPOPP W/L is just a factor that attempts to quantify the validity of your opponents' combined record.

Does that help at all?

[DragonFan]

Zippy,

In 2004 SV was a very worthy opponent. The game was won in the last second with a field goal. Most Dragon Fans have huge respect for SV. Keep up the good work and SV will be the most feared team from SA!

[zippy]

LOL, that one is kinda goofy.

OPPOPP W/L is the winning percentage of your opponents' opponents.

Basically, OPPOPP W/L is the component of the SOS formula that looks at the combined record of who your opponents have played to compile their record. So, teams that are 9-1 against crappy competition don't falsely boost your SOS too much, whereas a 9-1 team that plays really good competition will give your SOS an added boost, basically legitimizing your opponents' combined record.

Does that help at all?


Yea, thanks. Another question, is the regular OPP record, the smaller one, this season right? Do you guys update it each week?

[CKE]

Zippy,

In 2004 SV was a very worthy opponent. The game was won in the last second with a field goal. Most Dragon Fans have huge respect for SV. Keep up the good work and SV will be the most feared team from SA!

They already are :cool:

[ktchamp97]

Yea, thanks. Another question, is the regular OPP record, the smaller one, this season right? Do you guys update it each week?
The OPP record is the combined record of all of the teams on your schedule...this year only. 4A teams are not counted and neither are out of state teams. It is automatically updated each week once I enter all of the scores into the monstrosity of a spreadsheet that I built.

[zippy]

Zippy,

In 2004 SV was a very worthy opponent. The game was won in the last second with a field goal. Most Dragon Fans have huge respect for SV. Keep up the good work and SV will be the most feared team from SA!

I figured you would agree. I do to, and I know most fans from SL respect SV, same goes over here. A lot of fans, from everywhere other than 26-5 area, think 26-5 is overrated. Just wanted to point out that the 2004 SV team that you guys seen were not even district champs that year. I dont think SV will ever be feared. I kind of hope they stay under-the-radar honestly. Just not due to losing games!

[zippy]

The OPP record is the combined record of all of the teams on your schedule...this year only. 4A teams are not counted and neither are out of state teams. It is automatically updated each week once I enter all of the scores into the monstrosity of a spreadsheet that I built.

Nice, what would we ever do without the hard work of you guys?? Wanted to also let you know that it does get looked at, and now I understand the stuff that I didnt before. Good stuff. Keep it up, and thanks.

[ktchamp97]

Nice, what would we ever do without the hard work of you guys?? Wanted to also let you know that it does get looked at, and now I understand the stuff that I didnt before. Good stuff. Keep it up, and thanks.
I appreciate that zippy...thank you. I'm a numbers geek (ok, just plain geek) and a football fanatic, so I love looking at that kind of stuff. I've wanted to have that on the site for awhile and I finally figured out how to put it all together. I'm anxious to see if it tells us anything come playoff time.

[dragonfootballfan]

KT, I do not mean to be rude, but I was wondering if you could answer the question that I asked yesterday. I really did not care about anybody else's opinion since they are not the ones compiling the list.

Do you think it is possible for Carroll to jump into the number one spot even without Lufkin losing a game?

[ktchamp97]

KT, I do not mean to be rude, but I was wondering if you could answer the question that I asked yesterday. I really did not care about anybody else's opinion since they are not the ones compiling the list.

Do you think it is possible for Carroll to jump into the number one spot even without Lufkin losing a game?
It is possible, yes.

[zippy]

They already are :cool:

:) Should be. For sure are after halftime.

[WestPlano006]

Then why not put them above SLC?

The only reason why NS didn't score 50 points on DP is because NS kept shooting themselves in the foot with bad penalties.
And some of the penalties wasn't becuase of NS fault, it becaues of the 5 blind mice down on the field that they picked up at the DollarReff's store.

LAst time I checked, good teams don't commit bad penalties, or shoot themselve sin the foot.

[nathan00427]

Now That Spring Westfield has had its first couple games, I dont think thier goning to be losing anytime soon.. They are a much better team now than the team that played Cy-falls... The more game time they get the better they get. In my opinion they have the second best defense in the state after NS... allowing only 13pts in 5 games, and beating thier opponents with a combined score of 169-13. This team was suppose to be good but they were suppose to sputter due to the massive lost of talent, but thier bounce back is just as impressive as SLC and Katy...

I say they should be higher then seven... 4 or 5 at least.
and i really dont agree with the ET over NS, but NS did have a bad game... To bad Rankings dont win championships ;) (to bad for Euless)

Hey KT's i was wondering what you though about Humble this year in area?
(and this is by no means a effort to try to rank them with the 25 top teams, Cause as it stands i wouldnt put them up thier with thier poor offensive prefromance)


too bad for trinity rankings don't win them state championships? did you not watch 5aD1 last year? dummy THEY ALREADY WON THE MOST RECENT STATE TITLE...they dont need silly rankings, its just fun to look at

[GRP05]

We all know rankings won't win championships; it's just about respect.

[ScottS]

too bad for trinity rankings don't win them state championships? did you not watch 5aD1 last year? dummy THEY ALREADY WON THE MOST RECENT STATE TITLE...they dont need silly rankings, its just fun to look at

Correct and Lufkin and SLC were both in D2. So the rankings could be correct and ET could win D1.

[NSStangs#1fan]

LAst time I checked, good teams don't commit bad penalties, or shoot themselve sin the foot.

We commited a few but quite a bit of it was due to bad refs. We had Wynken, Blynken & Nod out there trying to run a football game. On top of that last week was not the easiest 4 NS. On Wed. We had a MS athlete die, Thurs., a JV player go 2 the hospital who is still in the hospital (please pray 4 their families), and on friday @ school there was a 2 hr. lockdown b/c there were some ppl on our campus that weren't supposed to be there. So last week def. wasn't your avg. week. Believe that this week we'll come back stronger and faster!

Now I will say that our offense needs to step it up to the level of the D.

[cyfallsbooster2]

just like cy falls was going undefeted ths year and is a top 5 team. You were wrong then and you are proly wrong again this year could go either way just like the last to games they played
Actually, I said Falls would not go undefeated this year and that if rankings mattered they needed to be somewhere 15-20 (preseason). You probably are confused as to who said what.

[CKE]

Actually, I said Falls would not go undefeated this year and that if rankings mattered they needed to be somewhere 15-20 (preseason). You probably are confused as to who said what.
hmm must be