Oh the NS possibilties

[NSStangs#1fan]

Just a couple of questions 4 anyone who has seen us play or knows enough about the NS team. How fierce do u think our team would be if Vance, our QB, improved on his accuracy? Lets say he never picks it up how deep do u think we'll go in the playoffs???

[dragonbuck]

Just a couple of questions 4 anyone who has seen us play or knows enough about the NS team. How fierce do u think our team would be if Vance, our QB, improved on his accuracy? Lets say he never picks it up how deep do u think we'll go in the playoffs???


hopefully not "one and done" like years passed.

[HUM398]

hopefully not "one and done" like years passed.

I dont think so, Thier isnt anyone that can score on them as the brackets sit now... I say region or semi-finals

[NSStangs#1fan]

I hope not either, but if we run into a team like ours that can stop the run but has a good passing game we could be in some trouble.

[HUM398]

I hope not either, but if we run into a team like ours that can stop the run but has a good passing game we could be in some trouble.

Yeah yall could be.. But the majority of the Houston area teams, With the exception of Baytown lee are Run first and if we are comfortable with our lead then throw... And alot of the teams have horrible Run defense.

Who ever come out of the other bracket in the Houston area will give NS a hell of a game, if its Cy-fair or Humble (the only two teams that can get to the Region...)

[NSStangs#1fan]

Yeah yall could be.. But the majority of the Houston area teams, With the exception of Baytown lee are Run first and if we are comfortable with our lead then throw... And alot of the teams have horrible Run defense.

Who ever come out of the other bracket in the Houston area will give NS a hell of a game, if its Cy-fair or Humble (the only two teams that can get to the Region...)

Well if the brackets fall out the way KT predicted then we'll be playing Lee 1st. I'm glad V. Fi has 6 wks to get things going. Which I think he will b/c he's a great athlete otherwise!

[HUM398]

Well if the brackets fall out the way KT predicted then we'll be playing Lee 1st. I'm glad V. Fi has 6 wks to get things going. Which I think he will b/c he's a great athlete otherwise!

Lee's Run Defense is horrible.. If it comes down to a shoot out... It goes to NS. But i think NS has enough on defense to Pressure the QB to were the Pass of any team becomes insufficant. I still say they make it to at least region.

[NSStangs#1fan]

Lee's Run Defense is horrible.. If it comes down to a shoot out... It goes to NS. But i think NS has enough on defense to Pressure the QB to were the Pass of any team becomes insufficant. I still say they make it to at least region.

Good point we've had a quite a few sacks this yr. as well as interceptions. We should be good to go around PO time. It's hard to measure us though ib/c of the district we play in.

[zippy]

I dont think so, Thier isnt anyone that can score on them as the brackets sit now... I say region or semi-finals

Do you mean from Region III? Or both Region III and IV? Or just the first round?

[HUM398]

Do you mean from Region III? Or both Region III and IV? Or just the first round?

I was just talking about region 3 , thier side of the bracket

[zippy]

I was just talking about region 3 , thier side of the bracket

Wow, thats a bold prediction. Not even a field goal? I dont see anyone there that could beat them in the projections or Reg II, but not even score on them? It would be difficult, but I guess possible. Where do you see them having trouble in the predicted playoffs?

[NSStangs#1fan]

Wow, thats a bold prediction. Not even a field goal? I dont see anyone there that could beat them in the projections or Reg II, but not even score on them? It would be difficult, but I guess possible. Where do you see them having trouble in the predicted playoffs?

As far as Reg. III Cy-Fair possibly

[HUM398]

Wow, thats a bold prediction. Not even a field goal? I dont see anyone there that could beat them in the projections or Reg II, but not even score on them? It would be difficult, but I guess possible. Where do you see them having trouble in the predicted playoffs?

as far as the region goes... I only see two potential teams that can beat NS.

Humble (reason): Historically Humble and NS have had many great games in the playoffs with the only blow out coming in 03 (but who was gonna stop them then, not the overrated Humble squad...) Other then that they have always played close games.

Defense: Humble is very stout on defense... We have no problem stoping the run, which seems to be NS main point of attack... alot of size up front and the speed and size in the LB and secondary to challange anyone in the backfield... If Fizer passing comes along then i still think the Humble D can keep in close by pressuring the QB and forcing him to make mistakes.. He isnt Bobby ried.

Offense: We would stuggle on offense because of thier speed and size upfront which wouldnt allow us to make big plays on the ground but we have enough talent to get a couple of good runs off... But we would have to rely on our Passing, which at the moment is not to hot... But we got time to prefect it. I have to give the upper hand to Humbles QB's Keith baker and Kenneth Bowman over fizer.. They can make the pass work if they really need to...

Overall: both team as of now dont have the greatest offensive consitancy...They have all the talent in the world, but they need to find a way to make it work... But i think this game if played would be low scoring, much like the NS-woods game last year... We dont allow alot of big plays whe n it comes to the run... its the pass that really hurts us. But if the game was played today NS takes it 14-7 in a tough win.

Cy-fair: i only know what some buddies have told me, and some film they recorded... Cy-fair has the running game, but NS has the defense.... But Cy-fair can hurt you when in the air also, and ns has blown some coverages this year so i say this is a high scoring game were defense plays a limited role... im not sure of the outcome of this game... I wanna give it to NS, but i just dont know enough about Cyfairs Defense to make that kinda call...

But these are the two teams that can beat NS... will they... I dont know.. Can they... Yes.

Outside of Region 3... I dont see anyone giving them a problem until you hit the State finals.. Thier biggest struggle will come at region... Im 80% sure of that.

[zippy]

as far as the region goes... I only see two potential teams that can beat NS.

Humble (reason): Historically Humble and NS have had many great games in the playoffs with the only blow out coming in 03 (but who was gonna stop them then, not the overrated Humble squad...) Other then that they have always played close games.

Defense: Humble is very stout on defense... We have no problem stoping the run, which seems to be NS main point of attack... alot of size up front and the speed and size in the LB and secondary to challange anyone in the backfield... If Fizer passing comes along then i still think the Humble D can keep in close by pressuring the QB and forcing him to make mistakes.. He isnt Bobby ried.

Offense: We would stuggle on offense because of thier speed and size upfront which wouldnt allow us to make big plays on the ground but we have enough talent to get a couple of good runs off... But we would have to rely on our Passing, which at the moment is not to hot... But we got time to prefect it. I have to give the upper hand to Humbles QB's Keith baker and Kenneth Bowman over fizer.. They can make the pass work if they really need to...

Overall: both team as of now dont have the greatest offensive consitancy...They have all the talent in the world, but they need to find a way to make it work... But i think this game if played would be low scoring, much like the NS-woods game last year... We dont allow alot of big plays whe n it comes to the run... its the pass that really hurts us. But if the game was played today NS takes it 14-7 in a tough win.

Cy-fair: i only know what some buddies have told me, and some film they recorded... Cy-fair has the running game, but NS has the defense.... But Cy-fair can hurt you when in the air also, and ns has blown some coverages this year so i say this is a high scoring game were defense plays a limited role... im not sure of the outcome of this game... I wanna give it to NS, but i just dont know enough about Cyfairs Defense to make that kinda call...

But these are the two teams that can beat NS... will they... I dont know.. Can they... Yes.

Outside of Region 3... I dont see anyone giving them a problem until you hit the State finals.. Thier biggest struggle will come at region... Im 80% sure of that.

Oh I got you. I thought you were saying that there are no teams from Region III that could even "score" a point against NS. I guess you were talking about in the first round only. Your response to the one and out deal confused me. If you guys make it past Region III, you might meet up with Westlake (if they can bounce back) Madison, or Clark, and I have to throw Judson in there after last years playoff run. I would say that Madison and Clark would give you a game. If you get by them, then Trinity from Reg I would be my guess on who you guys would face. That will be a very good game. I know not many points have been laid on NS, but the teams listed here would put up some points, I just do not know if it will be enough.

[too playa]

as far as the region goes... I only see two potential teams that can beat NS.

Humble (reason): Historically Humble and NS have had many great games in the playoffs with the only blow out coming in 03 (but who was gonna stop them then, not the overrated Humble squad...) Other then that they have always played close games.

Defense: Humble is very stout on defense... We have no problem stoping the run, which seems to be NS main point of attack... alot of size up front and the speed and size in the LB and secondary to challange anyone in the backfield... If Fizer passing comes along then i still think the Humble D can keep in close by pressuring the QB and forcing him to make mistakes.. He isnt Bobby ried.

Offense: We would stuggle on offense because of thier speed and size upfront which wouldnt allow us to make big plays on the ground but we have enough talent to get a couple of good runs off... But we would have to rely on our Passing, which at the moment is not to hot... But we got time to prefect it. I have to give the upper hand to Humbles QB's Keith baker and Kenneth Bowman over fizer.. They can make the pass work if they really need to...

Overall: both team as of now dont have the greatest offensive consitancy...They have all the talent in the world, but they need to find a way to make it work... But i think this game if played would be low scoring, much like the NS-woods game last year... We dont allow alot of big plays whe n it comes to the run... its the pass that really hurts us. But if the game was played today NS takes it 14-7 in a tough win.

Cy-fair: i only know what some buddies have told me, and some film they recorded... Cy-fair has the running game, but NS has the defense.... But Cy-fair can hurt you when in the air also, and ns has blown some coverages this year so i say this is a high scoring game were defense plays a limited role... im not sure of the outcome of this game... I wanna give it to NS, but i just dont know enough about Cyfairs Defense to make that kinda call...

But these are the two teams that can beat NS... will they... I dont know.. Can they... Yes.

Outside of Region 3... I dont see anyone giving them a problem until you hit the State finals.. Thier biggest struggle will come at region... Im 80% sure of that.


that is a good assessement... i have not seen fair play either.. but i would like to in the near future.. i know ill be at an humble game soon...so i will get a chance to watch them as well... right now.. i think Region III div I is up for grabs... NS has the defense to keep them in any game throught the playoffs.... but im worried that the offense is just too inconsistent... against DP.. the defense wasnt playing a notch below what they have been in the prior 3 games.. and still ony allowed 3pts... but hopefully fizer and the offense get thier acts together... they have the personnel on offense to be extrememly explosive.. however, they have not shown anything just yet... hopefully they can get on track in the next 6 weeks and if they do.. its NS's region for the taking.. but if this team as they are playing now ... id say.. its anyones region for the taking....defense is spectacular.. especially in the big games.... however.. its time for the offense to start doing its part.. and if we can aquire that balance.. then i would say we can make it to the state title game....but as of right now... i think the race for the region is close....:eek:

[nsmustang]

Right now as it stands NS's D will keep them in a game against anybody. The
O is a big concern for me. Can't blame it all on Fizer although his passing game and scrambling is very average at best. The O line is not opening the holes the backs need to bang out the yards and be dominating. They are scoring on the occasional big play, not the methodical ball pounding a champion should. You could see that Deer Park knew exactly when NS was going to run the draw or option and had a man right there to stop it at the line or for a loss- and this was Deer Park, not Westfield or Lufkin. We will not go far in the playoffs if they don't get better O. I don't see it happening right now either.

[too playa]

I think they are maybe top 15 in the state.:eek:

[HUM398]

I think they are maybe top 15 in the state.:eek:

Who?

[Oiler1]

Lee's Run Defense is horrible.. If it comes down to a shoot out... It goes to NS. But i think NS has enough on defense to Pressure the QB to were the Pass of any team becomes insufficant. I still say they make it to at least region.

I wouldn't underestimate Baytown Lee, they are whole lot better than last year and surprised me a great deal when I saw them a few weeks ago. You are absolutely correct that the run defense is their weakness but they can put up some points. They are executed on offense right now and it would take lots of pressure to shake things up. Send to much and their screens can be devistating.

[HUM398]

I wouldn't underestimate Baytown Lee, they are whole lot better than last year and surprised me a great deal when I saw them a few weeks ago. You are absolutely correct that the run defense is their weakness but they can put up some points. They are executed on offense right now and it would take lots of pressure to shake things up. Send to much and their screens can be devistating.

Oh, i never underestimate them.. Every year i get nervous about this game because i know what type of offensive weapons they produce (When playing Humble)... They are outstanding on offense pretty much year in and year out.. Thier defense is what kills them.. When playing a team with no offense.. They win. Playing teams that can absoultely kill you on the ground, thier the team that allows 300 + yards against a great run offense...And when NS is that great team.... Man your talking about 50+ points if you allow them to run all over you.. Look at aldine.

[too playa]

Who?

NS:eek:

[panamamyers]

So Humble gets outgained by Baytown Sterling(by a fairly wide margin), yet they are the team that can stay with North Shore? I'm just not sure about that one. Humble barely squeezed by Eisenhower. The same Eisenhower team that Lufkin could have beaten 63-7 if they wanted.

Humble is a nice, solid team. Could they luck into an upset win over North Shore? I guess they could. Humble is 0-3 against North Shore in the playoffs. In 1994, Humble was the favored team. I was at that game. Humble was 10-0 and riding high. North Shore was an unknown with a little 10th grader at qb. In 1996, Humble was able to keep the game pretty close against a strong North Shore team. Last time they played, Mustangs put a shellacking on them.

Lee is 3-3 against North Shore since 1994, so you tell me which team in Region 3 has had success against the Mustangs.

Humble's offense put up 10 points on Sterling, so we will see how many Lee puts up this weekend to see who has an offense that can put points on North Shore. Humble is EXCLUSIVELY a running team. North Shore is GREAT at stopping the run. The type of a team that will give North Shore trouble is one that can pass. Humble can NOT pass at ALL. If you think you will be able to pound up in there and grind out a running game against the Mustangs then good luck to you.

Lee's defense is not very good. I'll give you that. We stopped Clear Creek because they like to do a lot of side to side cute stuff, not run it right at you. Kingwood ran too much for my liking, but they do have a tricky offense to stop completely. Strake Jesuit pounded it straight at Lee and Lee couldn't do a whole lot about it the first half. Second half, Lee stopped them pretty well except for a 78 yard run on a fake punt. Take out the fake punt and Strake has 276 yards of offense on the night. Strake got 262 yards on Cy-Fair.

All of Lee's offensive explosion has come with a second string quarterback playing. Moses should be back this week or next I'm guessing. Do I think Lee will just be able to run through Humble or North Shore like they did Kingwood? Nope. But...North Shore's defense thrives on being faster than the other team. They are just able to beat people to spots, if a running back is going around the corner, run him down, if a receiver gets open on a screen, just use team speed to go suffocate any openings he thought he might have. Lee has the type of speed that will negate all that. If a Lee receiver gets in the clear, it's over...at least for a long gain..there's no running him down all quick like you can with Fernando Covarrubias from Pasadena Rayburn. North Shore will bring the pressure though. I can see them bringing a lot of heat against Lee.

This is if they even play each other. Sterling could beat Lee this weekend for all I know. Sterling has to be pretty good the way they dominated the stats on Humble.

[NSStangs#1fan]

I will give Vance his credit though. That was an AWESOME fake to Chris Ganious on friday against DP!

[too playa]

I will give Vance his credit though. That was an AWESOME fake to Chris Ganious on friday against DP!

yes it was.. and ill say that its not all fizer as well.. the offensive line as big as they are.. arent doing ANYTHING.:eek:

[NSStangs#1fan]

Yeah he got sacked a couple of times on friday.

Wooo but DP standing up & cheering thinking they had held us to the line + our silence believing that they had, made the TD so much better!

[NSStangs#1fan]

If the O could make more holes for Deaundre Jones to get through that boy could be a serious weapon. His speed is ridiculous! But he's also gotta learn to find the holes like Chris.

[HUM398]

So Humble gets outgained by Baytown Sterling(by a fairly wide margin), yet they are the team that can stay with North Shore? I'm just not sure about that one. Humble barely squeezed by Eisenhower. The same Eisenhower team that Lufkin could have beaten 63-7 if they wanted.

Humble is a nice, solid team. Could they luck into an upset win over North Shore? I guess they could. Humble is 0-3 against North Shore in the playoffs. In 1994, Humble was the favored team. I was at that game. Humble was 10-0 and riding high. North Shore was an unknown with a little 10th grader at qb. In 1996, Humble was able to keep the game pretty close against a strong North Shore team. Last time they played, Mustangs put a shellacking on them.

Lee is 3-3 against North Shore since 1994, so you tell me which team in Region 3 has had success against the Mustangs.

Humble's offense put up 10 points on Sterling, so we will see how many Lee puts up this weekend to see who has an offense that can put points on North Shore. Humble is EXCLUSIVELY a running team. North Shore is GREAT at stopping the run. The type of a team that will give North Shore trouble is one that can pass. Humble can NOT pass at ALL. If you think you will be able to pound up in there and grind out a running game against the Mustangs then good luck to you.

Lee's defense is not very good. I'll give you that. We stopped Clear Creek because they like to do a lot of side to side cute stuff, not run it right at you. Kingwood ran too much for my liking, but they do have a tricky offense to stop completely. Strake Jesuit pounded it straight at Lee and Lee couldn't do a whole lot about it the first half. Second half, Lee stopped them pretty well except for a 78 yard run on a fake punt. Take out the fake punt and Strake has 276 yards of offense on the night. Strake got 262 yards on Cy-Fair.

All of Lee's offensive explosion has come with a second string quarterback playing. Moses should be back this week or next I'm guessing. Do I think Lee will just be able to run through Humble or North Shore like they did Kingwood? Nope. But...North Shore's defense thrives on being faster than the other team. They are just able to beat people to spots, if a running back is going around the corner, run him down, if a receiver gets open on a screen, just use team speed to go suffocate any openings he thought he might have. Lee has the type of speed that will negate all that. If a Lee receiver gets in the clear, it's over...at least for a long gain..there's no running him down all quick like you can with Fernando Covarrubias from Pasadena Rayburn. North Shore will bring the pressure though. I can see them bringing a lot of heat against Lee.

This is if they even play each other. Sterling could beat Lee this weekend for all I know. Sterling has to be pretty good the way they dominated the stats on Humble.


Somthing you have to understand, Statistics means nothing to me. Yes Baytown sterling out gained us, your point is what. We Forced Turn over after Turnover... The defense gave up the big play but didnt allow them to score... Isnt that what matters. last year Humble outgained Westfield, and had close to 400 yards on a team that only avrg 143... We ran right up the gut against a defense that didnt allow teams to run. We still lost 35-14. 2 weeks later NS faced the same team that allowed Humble to run all over it... Westfield held them to 140 somthing yards that game...does that mean that Humble was better then NS... Absoultely not! we were no were close to NS level of play. In 2004-2005 Humble faced off with Westfield for the first time in somthing like 6 years.... Final score 36-20. NS faced them in the first round of the playoffs and lost 54-14... Does that mean that Humble was a better team.. No! They point of my babel and in some areas pointless post is that the score of a game is no indiction of a teams Credibilty, and niether are stats... It boils down to wins. You see, you based your Implied argument that humble Couldnt hold its own against NS Because they are Exculesivly RUN...(though little do you know that we are very capable of throwing the ball, We have the QB's to do it and at least 2 top recievers to pull it off)... Funny thing is that NS hasnt really shown any sign of a passing game either... So Both teams are able to stop the run.... Which validates my point that Humble vs. NS would be a close game that NS would end up winning unless we can Develop a passing game worthy of me braging about...But we dont have it... We can throw here and there... maybe a 100 yards a game if we really tried

Humble has struggled in 2 games offensively... Ike and Baytown, But every indication shows that our Defense is very solid...and is the differance maker. When offense struggle they hold us up....

Oh quick question... Is spring as good as NS because they scored 21pts against Deer park and allowed 7... Only a 4 pts differance in defense...

I wish yall the best against Sterling... They have a good passing game. But dont be fooled into thinking that you will be able to compare based on a score or stats... They are very deceiving at times.

[nsmustang]

Looking KT's playoff possibilities NS would meet Lee in the first round. Shore always obliterates the first rounder. If they could get the offense going they have a ligitimate shot at a deep run. Lee does not have the speed and offensive power to hang with that defense. The interesting thing is that a NS Westfield title matchup is a possibility. No one is talking about WF but they are quietly destroying all their opponents and taking care of business. But,
that's down the road a ways.

[panamamyers]

Of course stats aren't the be all end all of who's going to win what. In high school, more than any other level, yards gained are a good indicator of what types of dominance or non-dominance you can expect from a team. If North Shore gave up 300+ yards to Sterling, you would see blood in the streets of Galena Park this week. If North Shore only gained 180 yards against Sterling, heads would be rolling. Wins are most important, yes, but they sometimes mask an underlying problem. It's great that you got the turnovers and were able to pull one out. That's the important thing for that particular week. The downside is, that somehow, some way, a Sterling team dominated the line of scrimmage on you. That's a problem, regardless of win or loss.

You can say it doesn't matter and point out all these examples of this and that, but if you had to be honest, you know that's a little disappointing. You are in the situation where your team won, so of course you downplay the importance of stats. Stats are important, sorry...

nsmustang
Lee doesn't have the offensive firepower to stay with NS? You realize Lee has the number two ranked offense in the area? If Lee doesn't have the offense, then no one does. Lee has just as much speed at the skill positions as North Shore will have, I can guarantee you that. North Shore might be able to shut Lee down with a good pass rush like BMT Central was able to do. Have you even seen Lee play this year to give this assessment?

[nsmustang]

nsmustang
Lee doesn't have the offensive firepower to stay with NS? You realize Lee has the number two ranked offense in the area? If Lee doesn't have the offense, then no one does. Lee has just as much speed at the skill positions as North Shore will have, I can guarantee you that. North Shore might be able to shut Lee down with a good pass rush like BMT Central was able to do. Have you even seen Lee play this year to give this assessment?

That would be interesting to see since NS is the no. 1 defense in the area allowing an avg of 109 total yards per game and .6 points per game. Maybe the stats don't mean much though. I saw Atascocita on that list at one time. They would probably kill NS. No I have not seen Lee play or SLC either for that matter but I am assessing this on history. Every year there is a hot shot number one offense ie; Pearland, LaPorte, Clear Lake etc and I have yet to see any of them beat Shore. All I'm saying is that the Shore defense is the real deal this year and the Shore offense is suspect. The last time Lee and Shore met it was at Dement stadium. Can't remember the score in that game though.

[HUM398]

Of course stats aren't the be all end all of who's going to win what. In high school, more than any other level, yards gained are a good indicator of what types of dominance or non-dominance you can expect from a team. If North Shore gave up 300+ yards to Sterling, you would see blood in the streets of Galena Park this week. If North Shore only gained 180 yards against Sterling, heads would be rolling. Wins are most important, yes, but they sometimes mask an underlying problem. It's great that you got the turnovers and were able to pull one out. That's the important thing for that particular week. The downside is, that somehow, some way, a Sterling team dominated the line of scrimmage on you. That's a problem, regardless of win or loss.

You can say it doesn't matter and point out all these examples of this and that, but if you had to be honest, you know that's a little disappointing. You are in the situation where your team won, so of course you downplay the importance of stats. Stats are important, sorry...

nsmustang
Lee doesn't have the offensive firepower to stay with NS? You realize Lee has the number two ranked offense in the area? If Lee doesn't have the offense, then no one does. Lee has just as much speed at the skill positions as North Shore will have, I can guarantee you that. North Shore might be able to shut Lee down with a good pass rush like BMT Central was able to do. Have you even seen Lee play this year to give this assessment?

Well thier was an obvious problem at the line of scrimmage, and on the D on that particular day... I dont know what it was, But they just werent playing well...Anytime your offense struggles to move down field you put your defense in a akward postion... and your prob. going to give up alot of yards.. Yeah stats are important if they are overall, But you cant take one game and draw a conclusion of the teams future sucess...maybe i didnt state it that way, but thats what i mean... 1 game is 1 game....

As for my team winning and me downplaying the stats..Yeah im going to because they are no indication on how they game really went. I was thier...But on the other hand i will say this.. The offense played poor and forced the defense to play in bad situations... Communication problems, Blindness..i dont care what i was. We didnt execute to beat the snot out of them like we should of... But im not going to get into the if we would of done this...or if they hadnt of done that speal. i want to make it clear to you that Humble had a bad game... And fortuantley we survived it (which i can say is more then we have done in the past) Do i think you will se a repeat of that kind of offensive production.. I sure hope not, and really doubt we will. Im looking foward to the Lee game... Unfortuantley its at stallworth, which could play into your hands.

By the way How is Moses doing?

[Oiler1]

I have seen Lee play and they are way better than I expected (based on last years team). As I recall this group of young men are pretty talented and when they were freshman put it on NS. They have a great deal of speed and only showed one weakness and that was the run defense. The backup QB isn't as good as Moses but he doesn't have to be with the skill position players he has around him, all he has to is not make mistakes. I believe Lee is underrated this year.

[panamamyers]

Who knows, maybe Humble just had a bad game. Maybe Sterling is really that good this year. I guess I will see this weekend. Sterling may put it on Lee for all I know.

Lee's generally always had a good offense, save for the last two years when they were very young. We put up way more yards on Strake Jesuit than Cy-Fair did. Clear Creek held Deer Park to 232 yards. North Shore held Deer Park to 125 yards. That would suggest that Clear Creek has at least a half *** defense. Lee rolled up 442 yards on Clear Creek, and that's with running the ball up the middle the majority of the 4th quarter as to not run up the score.

Lee's offensive stats aren't built in an HISD district or Fort Bend or something. If Lee is in the top 5 in the area, they are there legitimately. Now, does this mean they will run through North Shore like a hot knife through butter? Of course not.

Eisenhower got 214 yards against Memorial, 212 yards against Lufkin, 206 yards against Humble and 134 yards against North Shore.

The Woodlands got 168 yards against SV, 276 yards against Katy and 125 yards against North Shore.

Deer Park got 230 yards against Spring, 232 yards against Clear Creek and 125 against North Shore.

It's not like North Shore has been playing the high school versions of Kurt Warner era St Louis Rams here. Pretty much the teams you have been shutting out haven't moved the ball a whole helluva lot against anyone with a pulse.

I tell you exactly what happened the last time Lee played North Shore. We got beat 77-34(2001). The time before that, we beat an undefeated NS team 34-31(2000). The time before that(1997) we beat North Shore 31-0. So, looks to me like, since you want to talk about history, Lee is averaging 33 points a game against North Shore over the last 3 contests.

You said Lee didn't have the speed. I'm telling you Lee is just as fast as NS. We might get shutout, we might get negative 250 yards of offense, but it won't be because of any speed factor.

[panamamyers]

Finally, a voice of reason. You're correct oiler1, Lee's run defense is not good, which is bad news. What usually happens when Lee gets in trouble, the offense probably starts feeling too much pressure to have to score every time they get the ball. They get out of their gameplan and start throwing every down and it snowballs from there. If Lee can play with the lead, they are very difficult to stop.

The Lee freshman team didn't play North Shore as near as I can remember? I didn't see it if they did, because North Shore was not on the varsity's schedule. I wouldn't doubt that they would have won had they played North Shore though. Lee's only loss that year on the freshman team was to Spring Westfield, and Lee's best two 9th grade players, Jarvis Moore(running back) and Josh Jones(qb now at Strake) were on varsity at the time. Westfield beat us 8-0. I saw Lee freshmen put the hammer down on every other school that year. I bet the opposing teams didn't even get positive yards of offense in 6 or 7 of those games.

That group is in 11th grade now. I think Lee is still one year away from really being good.

[Big Daddy Cool]

So what if this senior class from Lee beat North Shore when they were fresheman. That's freshmen ball which mos tscools dont' really care if they go undefeated or lose every game. Freshman football is all about teaching fundamentals as well as getting the players familar the system a particular coach runs. You can't guage how well a warsity team is going to be by looking at a freshman team. While soem do go on to be good teams there are a lot that don't/

[panamamyers]

For a school like Lee, how the freshman class looks means a lot. Lee is going to go as far as their athletes can take them. If they don't have the speed and size, they just won't get it done.

Having said that, you are right though. For one, Lee didn't play NS I don't think. For another, the good Lee freshman class is in the 11th grade now, not seniors.

To go along with what you're saying though, North Shore freshman class with Lavar Johnson and Ced Cormier beat the living daylights out of Lee. It was something to the tune of 63-7. As seniors, that North Shore team couldn't move an inch on Lee.

[Oiler1]

I just think Lee is a dangerous team to play this year. If you struggle against the pass they create lots of mismatches because there isn't just one goto guy. Creek has speed but was missing two key db's in that game against Lee, so that left a mismatch always on the field and Lee seem to always find it. They had some very elusive players. Unless what I saw was a fluke, I believe they will give NS a good game in the 1st round.

[Big Daddy Cool]

You are correct panama the last time North Shore and Lee got together was the final game at Dement Stadium back in 01'. That was the night Drew Tate really showed just how tough he was as the North Shore defense hit him more times than he had probably ever been hit in a game. I remeber seeing him go down and thinking that's it he done only to watch him get up straighten his helmet and jersey and get right back in there.

[NSStangs#1fan]

nsmustang
Lee doesn't have the offensive firepower to stay with NS? You realize Lee has the number two ranked offense in the area? If Lee doesn't have the offense, then no one does. Lee has just as much speed at the skill positions as North Shore will have, I can guarantee you that. North Shore might be able to shut Lee down with a good pass rush like BMT Central was able to do. Have you even seen Lee play this year to give this assessment?

# 2 in the area against as of right now the STATE's # 1 D???? (I think)

Past teams history really tell nothing about the team of 2day.

*gasp* Can u believe it our boys have grown since freshman year and they're better!...NO WAY!!!

Oiler's from Pearland ofcourse he'll side w/ u! :D jk

[panamamyers]

I don't even feel comfortable coming on here and talking about Lee, because they are very fickle. They could lose every game from here on out if their timing gets thrown off or the defenses bring too much pressure or whatever. They are not some offensive juggernaut that just plows through people. It's a lot about timing and execution, which can always get thrown off. I just don't want people to think Lee is some little sisters of the poor team or anything. They have athletes all over the field on offense.

I think the bigger question is North Shore's offense against Lee's defense. Just like last time, when North Shore rolled up 77 points, I don't know how effective Lee would be in stopping North Shore's run game. Lee is too content to sit back and play the bend but don't break, and they eventually bend right on into their own end zone.

Lee's downfall will always be their defense. I can remember playing Pearland in the playoffs Tate's senior year. Pearland just keptttt onnnn running Brandon Roberson. Nothing Lee could do about it. Lee had to eventually kick on side kicks after scores, because they knew there was no way they could stop Pearland from picking up 8-10 yards on every run. Pearland ended up winning 38-28 I think. I doubt they punted the whole night. Same thing happened Tate's junior year against Humble in the playoffs. Jackie Battle just stuffed it down out throat all day long.

[nsmustang]

As it stands right now Lee may not have a great deal of trouble stopping the NS offense. I don't know. It's moving the ball against an unbeatable defense that poses problems for NS's opponents. No one from NS is telling everyone they will hammer every opponent. The offense is predictable and not blowing people off the line. The defense is another story. Freshmen and jv's mean very little. All they are are training programs. The good sophs and Jv's are on the varsity for one reason. There have been many undefeated JV teams that went by the wayside in senior seasons.

[panamamyers]

Yeah I don't put too much stock into JV teams. Usually, if they are any good at all, they are on varsity in 10th grade at Lee. Lee doesn't have the types of numbers in the program to leave athletic kids on JV.

Freshmen teams show more, but it still comes down to how well they develop over the next few years. It also depends on the class before them and the class after them. It's not often that you have a freshman class that will have 22 starters on varsity when they are seniors. You need two good freshman classes in a row really to get excited.

Lee didn't play North SHore anyways, so the discussion is a moot point. They did play Cunningham middle school in 7th and 8th grade though, and Cunningham beat the fire out of them. I was able to see the class that is in 11th grade right now at North Shore. They had talent out the wazoo when they were in 7th and 8th grade at Cunningham.

[too playa]

Yeah I don't put too much stock into JV teams. Usually, if they are any good at all, they are on varsity in 10th grade at Lee. Lee doesn't have the types of numbers in the program to leave athletic kids on JV.

Freshmen teams show more, but it still comes down to how well they develop over the next few years. It also depends on the class before them and the class after them. It's not often that you have a freshman class that will have 22 starters on varsity when they are seniors. You need two good freshman classes in a row really to get excited.

Lee didn't play North SHore anyways, so the discussion is a moot point. They did play Cunningham middle school in 7th and 8th grade though, and Cunningham beat the fire out of them. I was able to see the class that is in 11th grade right now at North Shore. They had talent out the wazoo when they were in 7th and 8th grade at Cunningham.


yes cunningham is a big time NS feeder school.. they always have great athletes......

and it is my middle school alma mater:eek:

[Big Daddy Cool]

Is Ced still coaching over there or did he go somewhere else. I know year before last or two years ago I had heard that he was coaching over there. I know we sure could use some of his creativness in our offense that's for sure. And I bet he could help Vance get the option down not too mention teach him a few other things.

[panamamyers]

Yeah Ced is here at Lee. He coaches the receivers I believe and special teams.

[texasboy]

is there a possibility that ns will play converse judson again?? If so you will have to beat them unlike last year. if yall would of beat them you would of had a run, but this year without accuracy you will be beaten in 2nd round

[nsmustang]

is there a possibility that ns will play converse judson again?? If so you will have to beat them unlike last year. if yall would of beat them you would of had a run, but this year without accuracy you will be beaten in 2nd round

Huh?

[Big Daddy Cool]

Yeah Ced is here at Lee. He coaches the receivers I believe and special teams.


Are we talking about the same person I was refering to former Mustang quarterback Cedric Cormier. I know was over at Cunningham but hadn't heard if he was still there or somewhere else in the district.

[NSStangs#1fan]

Yeah most of starters "graduated" from Cunningham... ahh those were the dayz! I remember we used to cream every single person who got in our way. Might I add that a lot of them are extremely smart as well!

As for our accuracy problems if I know Vance he takes pride in himself. I think he'll pick it up. He's got too much potential not to!

[panamamyers]

Cedric Cormier, former North Shore qb and Colorado wide receiver, is coaching at Baytown Lee high school right now. He coached at Lee last year too.

[Big Daddy Cool]

Wow can't believe Aymond let one of his kids get away like that. I thought surely he had a spot for him on the coaching staff. If those kids will listen to him he can certainly teach them some things.

[HUM398]

is there a possibility that ns will play converse judson again?? If so you will have to beat them unlike last year. if yall would of beat them you would of had a run, but this year without accuracy you will be beaten in 2nd round

Are you talking about Westfield... Though the two schools are similar in atheltes and talent.. Their two diffrent teams