Coaches Pay in Texas

[FSLAH's]

Just wondering who everyone thinks is the highest paid 5A coach in Texas? Also, what do you guys think he/she makes per year?

[pearlandfan]

I doubt he is the highest payed but i know Coach Tony Heath(PEARLAND HEAD COACH) is the 2nd highest payed employee for the whole district. my estiment would be somewhere in the 100,000 area

[FSLAH's]

I doubt he is the highest payed but i know Coach Tony Heath(PEARLAND HEAD COACH) is the 2nd highest payed employee for the whole district. my estiment would be somewhere in the 100,000 area

Thanks, keep them comming in.

[svhorns]

I think there was a thread awhile back on the highest payed coaches in Dallas some of them were up there.... im sure someone remembers the figures... I know in the Rio Grande Valley coaches get a nice 80-100K a year...

[rancher52]

There was and here is the DMN link: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/010806dnspocoachsalaries.2a4475f.html

The numbers could be different from when I last saw them but ESPN had cited Sam Harrell of Ennis and Randy Allen of Highland Park as being the top two highest paid in Texas a couple of years back. They are number one and two respectively on the list published by the DMN.

[mad_fan]

Just wondering who everyone thinks is the highest paid 5A coach in Texas? Also, what do you guys think he/she makes per year?


Don't know....and $25000 to $30000 TOO MUCH...:mad:

[Texas Born,Chaparral Bred]

The Austin American Statesman did an extensive story about Texas high school football coaches' salaries. They cited Sam Harrell from Ennis (4A) as the highest paid coach in Texas with a salary right around $108,000 a year I believe.

[svhorns]

The Austin American Statesman did an extensive story about Texas high school football coaches' salaries. They cited Sam Harrell from Ennis (4A) as the highest paid coach in Texas with a salary right around $108,000 a year I believe.
good memory I believe thats right...

[mad_fan]

The Austin American Statesman did an extensive story about Texas high school football coaches' salaries. They cited Sam Harrell from Ennis (4A) as the highest paid coach in Texas with a salary right around $108,000 a year I believe.


If that's correct, I change my vote to $35,000 TOO MUCH...

[rancher52]

Here is the Austin American Statesman article.. http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/pdf/coaching_salaries.pdf

The salary is the same as the one in the DMN 106,004

[CoveFan05]

Ennis' Coach Harrell is the highest paid coach in Texas. Copperas Cove's Jack Welch is 5th on the list at around 101,000

[lonny23]

Here is the Austin American Statesman article.. http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/pdf/coaching_salaries.pdf

The salary is the same as the one in the DMN 106,004
Good work. I was going to get the link if none of you did.

[backthepack]

If I'm correct, I believe that our own Coach Outlaw makes 103,800ish. There was an article about it in our paper or the Chron.

[packfan75]

Several years ago when I was teaching at a high school in the Fort Worth area, there was an article about coaches' salaries. The coach at my school was reported to make $85000. He and I were good friends, so I congratulated him on his salary when I saw him at school the next day. He laughed and said, "That is not accurate. It is off quite a bit." I asked him off which way, and he said, "The salary reported is quite a bit lower than what I actually make."

Now consider this: he had 2 football periods a day and taught NO classes. So he had 5 off periods to do 'athletics' stuff. Knowing that Texas teacher salaries lag WAY behind those of almost every other state, that is ridiculous. I didn't realize how much lower teacher salaries were in Texas until I moved to Ohio, where I am making almost $30,000 more than I made in Texas. Coaches here aren't paid anything like the amounts you see in Texas.

Texas needs to WAKE UP. I don't have a problem with coaches making the kind of money they make, but teachers also spend many days working from 7:00 am until 9:00 pm or later, as well as working on weekends. Don't believe for a minute that coaches work more hours than teachers. I'm sure there are some teachers who don't put in those hours, but I know that there are thousands who do on a daily basis.

[jtk1519]

Don't believe all the numbers you read. There is more to a coaches salary than just his salary. Most coaches receive various stipends that increase the value of the total contract, but not all school districts report the total value figure... some do, thus skewing the numbers.

For example, just a couple of years ago, Highland Park's Randy Allen was making a little over $99,000 a year in base salary, but he was receiving a huge "housing allowance" stipend that put the total value of his contract around $126,000 a year. That number has since gone up.

I think that is the case for the number's listed for the Abilene coaches in the AAS source. As I recall, both Abilene coaches receive a base pay of right at $90,000 a year plus an additional $6,000-10,000 in stipends.

BTW, take this with a huge grain of salt, but I have heard from more than one Ennis fan that Sam Harrell's makes close to $200,000 a year when you factor in base salary, stipends, "extras", etc.

[rancher52]

I cannot attest to what amounts were and were not included in the various reports that have been published, but I can tell you that any compensation paid by a public school system is subject to the freedom of information act and would be available to the public. Income from camps and the like, not associated with the school could be income that is not able to be confirmed.

[lonny23]

Don't believe all the numbers you read. There is more to a coaches salary than just his salary. Most coaches receive various stipends that increase the value of the total contract, but not all school districts report the total value figure... some do, thus skewing the numbers.

For example, just a couple of years ago, Highland Park's Randy Allen was making a little over $99,000 a year in base salary, but he was receiving a huge "housing allowance" stipend that put the total value of his contract around $126,000 a year. That number has since gone up.

I think that is the case for the number's listed for the Abilene coaches in the AAS source. As I recall, both Abilene coaches receive a base pay of right at $90,000 a year plus an additional $6,000-10,000 in stipends.

BTW, take this with a huge grain of salt, but I have heard from more than one Ennis fan that Sam Harrell's makes close to $200,000 a year when you factor in base salary, stipends, "extras", etc.You're right that coaches make more than reported by the school. They get bonuses and people like Todd Dodge make good money at speaking engagements and I heard he speaks at high-dollar breakfasts.

[FSLAH's]

One article has alrady been posted. I was saving it until the end. But oh well.. Just wanted to see some ideas first without hard evidence. Here is another intersting article. What do you guys think? Highlighted in red is a waste of 95K also IMO.

ALABAMA HS COACH GETS $95,000 PER YEAR
By David McNabb
www.dallasblog.com
You don't see that headline get national attention. But the Hoover (Ala.) football coach gets $95,000 per year. The Valdosta (Ga.) coach makes $90,000, Tulsa Union pays $90,000 and even Coach Charles Winslette of un-nationally known Stephens County (Ga.) gets $90,000 per year. And there are perks on top of that. Most of those coaches get free cars and housing allowances too.

There are a couple dozen Texas high school coaches that make $90,000 or above. But in the annual effort of some Texas newspaper to go for an investigative, media watch-dog Associated Press award, the state newspapers like to print Texas salaries. TWo Texas papers have done it in the last year.

But they never bother to ask what coaches in other states make. Don't want facts to get in the way of a good headline. And, besides, that's a lot of work to try and get other state salaries from the Freedom of Information Act (FOI). Getting those private school salaries takes a ton of work. The Texas stories' premise is to cause media and reader outrage because the coach at Concorde DeLa Salle just outside San Francisco _ with all that affordable housing _ must make about $50K per year. But let's don't ask what coaches in other states get paid because if it's the same as Texas, that takes a lot of shine off the story.

Another Texas newspaper ran the tired old survey two weeks ago about Texas high school salaries and boy did it get picked up again nationally.

Texas has more coaches that make $90,000 per year because Texas has more high schools than Alabama, Georgia and Oklahoma. It's the same math that lets Texas produce a lot more NCAA athletes because Texas has so many more students than most states.

Most high school head football coaches across the country make $60,000 to $80,000 a year. Please don't compare that to what a teacher makes _ unless that teacher has about 10 direct reporting employees and is held responsible for the success of the program and the off-field behavior of more than 100 students.

To simplify, just check the salaries for any position, in any industry that has a staff of more than 10 people reporting to it. Then football coaches' salaries aren't unusual at all.

There are 18 high schools competing this weekend at the McDonald's Kirk Herbstreit Ohio vs. USA Challenge. One of those is from Texas: Texas (Texarkana) High School _ whose coach makes $82,000 a year. Do you think the same programs from across the country that are chartering flights to fly their football teams up to Ohio are paying their football coaches substantially less than what the mighty Texarkana ISD can pay?

Texas High coach Barry Norton's salary just got published again. That's the real difference in what he makes and what the other coaches' make.

[PantherStang84]

According to an article in the Lufkin Daily News a few weeks ago, Lufkin Coach Outlaw is the highest paid coach in 5A to the tune of $103,000. However, he is also the District Athletic Director as well.

Only the 4A coaches at Highland Park and Ennis make more money. Their salaries were somewhere around $105,000 and $106,000. Both coaches only perform their coaching duties with no Athletic Director responsibilities.

[Sacred Ground]

On average, most head football coaches are listed as athletic directors for there respective campus (not to be confused with the district athletic director). Which means they are suppose to oversee all sports that goes on within their school during the school year, which is suppose to justify their high salaries. On average, the only person within the high school campus that makes more is the head principal. There salaries are supposed to be available to the public, but leave it to the press to bring it out front and center.

[Packattack94]

Several years ago when I was teaching at a high school in the Fort Worth area, there was an article about coaches' salaries. The coach at my school was reported to make $85000. He and I were good friends, so I congratulated him on his salary when I saw him at school the next day. He laughed and said, "That is not accurate. It is off quite a bit." I asked him off which way, and he said, "The salary reported is quite a bit lower than what I actually make."

Now consider this: he had 2 football periods a day and taught NO classes. So he had 5 off periods to do 'athletics' stuff. Knowing that Texas teacher salaries lag WAY behind those of almost every other state, that is ridiculous. I didn't realize how much lower teacher salaries were in Texas until I moved to Ohio, where I am making almost $30,000 more than I made in Texas. Coaches here aren't paid anything like the amounts you see in Texas.

Texas needs to WAKE UP. I don't have a problem with coaches making the kind of money they make, but teachers also spend many days working from 7:00 am until 9:00 pm or later, as well as working on weekends. Don't believe for a minute that coaches work more hours than teachers. I'm sure there are some teachers who don't put in those hours, but I know that there are thousands who do on a daily basis.

I only have one question, did you get into teaching for the money?

[PantherStang84]

You're right that coaches make more than reported by the school. They get bonuses and people like Todd Dodge make good money at speaking engagements and I heard he speaks at high-dollar breakfasts.

However, his "speaking fees" are not paid by the school district so how can that count as his salary? If a coach or any teacher makes money outside the school system, how can that count towards their "salary"?

To me the term "coach's salary" means compensation paid to them by the school district expressly for the purpose of coaching or the performance of other duties for the school district.

[markp912]

wow that some nice money there. how about other out of state hed coaches? do they get paid the same?

[dragons08]

On average, most head football coaches are listed as athletic directors for there respective campus (not to be confused with the district athletic director). Which means they are suppose to oversee all sports that goes on within their school during the school year, which is suppose to justify their high salaries. On average, the only person within the high school campus that makes more is the head principal. There salaries are supposed to be available to the public, but leave it to the press to bring it out front and center.
carroll has (im prett sure) has coach dodge, as coach (obviosuly) then Ronnie Tipps as AD

[North Shore Mustang]

This is a little something a found a while back. Pretty interesting. But who knows if it's actually the way it "rolls"...

http://www.theoldcoach.com/archives/001411.php


I am suprised at where Todd Dodge stands.
Everything else seems to be right. Ennis #1, Lufkin #3, North Shore #6 (think it's up to 6 digits now)...so on.
They deserve it. GO TEXAS HS FOOTBALL COACHES!!!

[Sacred Ground]

carroll has (im prett sure) has coach dodge, as coach (obviosuly) then Ronnie Tipps as AD

Some head coaches might be titled Campus Athletic Coordinators, not sure though. But yes, every school district, big or small has one Athletic Director.

[Sacred Ground]

This is a little something a found a while back. Pretty interesting. But who knows if it's actually the way it "rolls"...

http://www.theoldcoach.com/archives/001411.php


I am suprised at where Todd Dodge stands.
Everything else seems to be right. Ennis #1, Lufkin #3, North Shore #6 (think it's up to 6 digits now)...so on.
They deserve it. GO TEXAS HS FOOTBALL COACHES!!!

I can understand the Highland Park coach getting a high salary, but Ennis is a small community, Isn't it? They must really love their football in Ennis.

What if coaches were paid the standard teacher's salary and $10,000 per football game victory. That would cause coaches to put excessive pressure on the players though.

[lonny23]

However, his "speaking fees" are not paid by the school district so how can that count as his salary? If a coach or any teacher makes money outside the school system, how can that count towards their "salary"?

To me the term "coach's salary" means compensation paid to them by the school district expressly for the purpose of coaching or the performance of other duties for the school district.
No, the other stuff is just extras for being a good coach. I was saying he gets paid far more than what CISD gives him.

[lonny23]

I can understand the Highland Park coach getting a high salary, but Ennis is a small community, Isn't it? They must really love their football in Ennis.

What if coaches were paid the standard teacher's salary and $10,000 per football game victory. That would cause coaches to put excessive pressure on the players though.
If that were the case, many salaries would go up.

[dragons08]

This is a little something a found a while back. Pretty interesting. But who knows if it's actually the way it "rolls"...

http://www.theoldcoach.com/archives/001411.php


I am suprised at where Todd Dodge stands.
Everything else seems to be right. Ennis #1, Lufkin #3, North Shore #6 (think it's up to 6 digits now)...so on.
They deserve it. GO TEXAS HS FOOTBALL COACHES!!!
dodge makes a lot more than that...he has the "Todd Dodge Camps" which gets alllllllll the kids (basically) who play football to go to, plus i THINK kids from all over attend them

then the "breakfast speaking thing" where he rakes in quite a bit of dough, plus the money id imagine is being given to him to remain at carroll despite the low salary based on what he has done..

[PantherStang84]

No, the other stuff is just extras for being a good coach. I was saying he gets paid far more than what CISD gives him.

Ok Lonny. I see your point. IMO More power to the coach or teacher who chooses to moonlight outside the school system.

[Sacred Ground]

If that were the case, many salaries would go up.

And some would go way down.

For some reason I craving fried chicken! Must be a Pavlov thing!

[PantherStang84]

On average, most head football coaches are listed as athletic directors for there respective campus (not to be confused with the district athletic director). Which means they are suppose to oversee all sports that goes on within their school during the school year, which is suppose to justify their high salaries. On average, the only person within the high school campus that makes more is the head principal. There salaries are supposed to be available to the public, but leave it to the press to bring it out front and center.

With Lufkin having only 1 high school, I think the title District Athletic Coordinator fits Coach Outlaw.

[North Shore Mustang]

dodge makes a lot more than that...he has the "Todd Dodge Camps" which gets alllllllll the kids (basically) who play football to go to, plus i THINK kids from all over attend them

then the "breakfast speaking thing" where he rakes in quite a bit of dough, plus the money id imagine is being given to him to remain at carroll despite the low salary based on what he has done..

David Aymond (NS) holds camps in the summers too.

[rangerpride]

I know a few years back when Coach Hill was considering leaving SV to go to a Houston area school, the distirct gave him a raise. I think it was a yearly slaary of $70-75K. It was so much that they had to give the principal a raise too. He makes a dollar more per year than Coach Hill does. :rolleyes:

Gotta make sure the pirncipal stays the "big man on campus," and more money=more power, I guess.:confused:

[FSLAH's]

dodge makes a lot more than that...he has the "Todd Dodge Camps" which gets alllllllll the kids (basically) who play football to go to, plus i THINK kids from all over attend them

then the "breakfast speaking thing" where he rakes in quite a bit of dough, plus the money id imagine is being given to him to remain at carroll despite the low salary based on what he has done..

There are A LOT of schools that have this. SV runs one every summer. Not cheap either, but very good for the kids.

[Capt Call]

Packfan states:
"Don't believe for a minute that coaches work more hours than teachers. I'm sure there are some teachers who don't put in those hours, but I know that there are thousands who do on a daily basis."

Of course (most) coaches work more hours than teachers; All but Head coach/Athletic directors/Campus Coordinators in larger classifications ARE teachers. Most teach the same number of classes - Math, History, English, etc. (yes- the athletic period is a class & requires planning) as those teachers who don't coach. Most teach five classes & have one athletic period. Teacher/Coaches have the same lessons to prepare as teachers-only + preparation, practice, travel, & games.

You should follow one of those guys around for a week or so & see if you still think the above quote is true.

I figured hourly pay one year as well below minimum wage.

[dragonsdaddy]

i agree with the good capt. there is no teacher i've ever seen or heard of that works anywhere near the hours that coaches who do it right work.Packfan states:
"Don't believe for a minute that coaches work more hours than teachers. I'm sure there are some teachers who don't put in those hours, but I know that there are thousands who do on a daily basis."

Of course (most) coaches work more hours than teachers; All but Head coach/Athletic directors/Campus Coordinators in larger classifications ARE teachers. Most teach the same number of classes - Math, History, English, etc. (yes- the athletic period is a class & requires planning) as those teachers who don't coach. Most teach five classes & have one athletic period. Teacher/Coaches have the same lessons to prepare as teachers-only + preparation, practice, travel, & games.

You should follow one of those guys around for a week or so & see if you still think the above quote is true.

I figured hourly pay one year as well below minimum wage.

[bubbacoach]

I am only speaking for myself an assistant coach. I make the same as a teacher does with the same number of years experience. On top of that I get a stipend for the extra hours I put in with my coaching duties. Then I get days. A day is the estimated number of days that you work that you are not on contract times your daily rate of pay. (Holidays). On a normal work week during football season:
Monday: 6:45 a.m.-7:00 p.m. 12.25 hours
Tuesday: 6:45 a.m.-7:00 p.m. 12.25 hours
Wednesday:6:45 a.m.-7:00 p.m. 12.25 hours
Thursday: 6:45 a.m. - 9:00 p.m. 14.25 hours (J.V. Game Day)
Friday: 6:45 a.m. - between 12- and 1 a.m. 17 hours (Varsity Game Day)
Saturday 7:00 a.m.- 3:00 p.m. 8 hours (if I do not scout) +4 hours if I do
Sunday 12:00 p.m.- 7:00 p.m 7 hours
About 83 hours a week on average. I do not know what it equates to hourly, but not much. I also, only have one athletic period, one cenference and teach the rest of the day with two preps. That means I still have to come up with lesson plans, assignments, test, and grade them all. I still have to go to ARDS, parent conferences, faculty meetings, department meetings, etc. I know I earn my salary and would not trade my job for a higher paying job with less hours because what I do gives me an opportunity to change lives and make the world a better place. Coaches earn their salary and they bring an income into the school to help support their athletics.
I also have the job of being a loving husband and father.

[aclb]

I am only speaking for myself an assistant coach. I make the same as a teacher does with the same number of years experience. On top of that I get a stipend for the extra hours I put in with my coaching duties. Then I get days. A day is the estimated number of days that you work that you are not on contract times your daily rate of pay. (Holidays). On a normal work week during football season:
Monday: 6:45 a.m.-7:00 p.m. 12.25 hours
Tuesday: 6:45 a.m.-7:00 p.m. 12.25 hours
Wednesday:6:45 a.m.-7:00 p.m. 12.25 hours
Thursday: 6:45 a.m. - 9:00 p.m. 14.25 hours (J.V. Game Day)
Friday: 6:45 a.m. - between 12- and 1 a.m. 17 hours (Varsity Game Day)
Saturday 7:00 a.m.- 3:00 p.m. 8 hours (if I do not scout) +4 hours if I do
Sunday 12:00 p.m.- 7:00 p.m 7 hours
About 83 hours a week on average. I do not know what it equates to hourly, but not much. I also, only have one athletic period, one cenference and teach the rest of the day with two preps. That means I still have to come up with lesson plans, assignments, test, and grade them all. I still have to go to ARDS, parent conferences, faculty meetings, department meetings, etc. I know I earn my salary and would not trade my job for a higher paying job with less hours because what I do gives me an opportunity to change lives and make the world a better place. Coaches earn their salary and they bring an income into the school to help support their athletics.
I also have the job of being a loving husband and father.

I think this puts everything into perspective. All the HC's making $90,000 plus per year, all had to work as assistants for probably 15 or so years. Also, another point is that coaches do not have the same "tenure" as teachers. They can be let go at any time.

[SLCDad]

I think good coaches are worth every penny that they are paid. The coaches mentioned in this thread are the best of the best. They are paid what they are worth (probably should be paid more).

It's a matter of supply and demand. The demad for outstanding coaches is huge. Why? The value that a good coach brings to a school distict is huge. Coach Outlaw means a lot to the Lufkin ISD. Coach Dodge brings HUGE benefit to the Carroll ISD (both dollars and prestige). The dollars that a successful football team brings to the school district is significant.

That's how I see it.

[bubbacoach]

Also the Head Coach/ Athetic Director or Campus coordinator must go to the booster club meetings, be administrator in charge at other sporting events, deal with the parents, hire and fire coaches, go to UIL meetings, etc.... He is also the one in the spotlight that gets the criticism when you lose and the praise when you win. The duties of the Head coach go far beyond that of an assistant. That is why they are paid as an administrator. I cannot speak for all Head Coaches, but the one's I do know earn every penny they make.

[Capt Call]

Well said, Bubba

[protect_this_house]

bubbacoach, aclb, & SLC dad are right on target. The guys mentioned here are the cream of the crop. There are MANY coaches working 80 plus hours a week getting paid far less that are still very effective & successful coaches.

There is a reason why Texas is considered one of the preeminent football states in the country. I personally know of several coaches that have come to Texas from the states of Ohio, Florida, & California just for the emphasis that is put on high school football here & all three of those states rank with Texas in terms of football. I've spoken with Coach Golla of Bakersfield California, one of the top programs in the state, and ALL of their football work is done strictly as an extra curricular activity. That is, show up at 5:30 a.m. for weights, film session, & game/practice plan meetings, & then after school for practice. No other football during the school day. It is this way at MANY schools in these states. We don't realize how good we have it in our great state! Football is king in Texas & thank God for it!

[bubbacoach]

I agree.

[rancher52]

wow that some nice money there. how about other out of state hed coaches? do they get paid the same?

This summer I saw some info on South Carolina coaches that was 2-3 years old. It was a list of 187 coaches (which is probably all of them since I think today there are around 200 HS in the entire state). The highes 27 made 70,000 or more, with the highest being 82,700. I have seen comments that the top two coaches in the state today make 90-92,000. If my numbers are were 3 years old, that sounds about right.

[bubbacoach]

I think that educators has awhole are underpaid. You could not have Doctor's, Lawyers, etc., without good teachers. I do not think that all teachers are good, just like I do not think that all coaches are good. But merit pay is just unrealistic. If you coach at a school that has a bunch of kids that are 5'5 and 120 lbs that run 5.2 40's, can you be expected to compete for a championship every year? (No I am not just talking about the valley,LOL) It is the same in the classroom, If you teach at a High Socio economic school your scores will always be higher, than those that teach at a low socio-economic school. (Where the kids are worried about if there will be dinner and not what is for dinner.) The emphasis placed on their education is different in these two lifestyles. If we go to merit pay, all teachers will want to teach only honors course and all coaches will want to coach at schools who have loads of talent. You could take allot of "good teachers" and stick them in a low socio econiomic shcool and see that the kids are the one's that make them successful. You could take allot of these "good coaches and stick them in school like San Benito and see it is the kids that make the difference. Their are some very good coaches at school with poor records and some real good teachers at schools with low TAKS scores. It is all relevant to the situation.

[packfan75]

I only have one question, did you get into teaching for the money?


What does that question have to do with anything? And, no I didn't. If I were only going for money, I would not have chosen to be a teacher.